What We Got To Trade...

Nice post.

The majority of the trade suggestion/rumor threads eventually decay to post after post of people saying “don’t trade anyone but <fill in the list of players with next to no trade value and/or players who are ridiculously difficult to trade>.” I don’t necessarily agree your assessment of every player on the list, but it’s real nice to see someone thinking about these things.

One thing of note: I believe Marcus Williams actually has a reasonable trade value in that his contract will expire. He’s being held because he’s got a ‘it could help make things match’ sort of deal, either in a package with other players on our roster or as a part tossed in (probably for nothing more than a second rounder) with GSW playing the 3rd party to help two other teams ‘make salaries match’. If he’s not traded by the deadline, I suspect he’ll be waived almost immediately after to make room for a series of 10 day tryouts.

The one i think you missed the boat on is CJ Watson. The man is having a great shooting year, is on a short term deal for basically nothing, and there are a lot of teams that would like a consistent back up PG on their team (even if he’s more of an undersized sg).

The dubs are in no good position right now to make any trades. What the warriors need to do is 2 things

1: Get healthy and see team at 100%
2. See what Crawford does at the end of season (early opt out clause or stays)

After number 2 happens, the warriors can then fully evaluate what they need to do to move forward. It’s obvious this team needs a legit power forward, and it would be nice to grab a serviceable point guard.

This is one of the better assessments I’ve read from fans about our players. I don’t think we have a team of poor players, but a a team that’s built poorly. We need to look at our assets and determine what we can do to change the balance. I disagree with fans who fall in love with one (or several) of our players and then overrate them to the point of making them “untouchable”. I’d move anybody for a big time 4 and not look back. But your point was to also look at the trade value of these players. Some guys are good players but not tradeable for the reasons you discussed.

One other point, if you’re considering trading a player, you ideally want to do it when their trade value is high. So as I said, while I trade any player for the pieces we need, I think trading Monta would probably not net us full value. As a BYC player, you need a team with cap flexibility to participate. And as you pointed out, his shot hasn’t come around yet. I think his shot will come by the end of the season, he’s still able to easily get that mid-range jumper off, so I think that’s just going to be reps. And despite his horrible numbers and lack of interest facilitating, I’ve actually seen glimpses lately that he’ll be able to show teams enough to play the 1. While he may have lost a half step, he’s still plenty quick, even if he doesn’t get any better. And he’s savvy enough to compensate for anything that he’s lost, physically. He probably has below average trade value because of the BYC right now. But next year, I think he’ll have above average trade value. So if he gets moved, I’d rather wait until next year.

Anyway, thanks for the thoughful post.

Another note: Iverson’s ability to “fill the seats” is greatly overstated.

You must be joking…the only Great trade value (especially right now) is an expiring contract and the Ws have 0.

Biedrins a good player with a long contract for appropriate dollars is not Great trade value.

Big shocker here but nobody in the NBA wants to build around Biedrins or Ellis. So no major trades get done.

Good evaluations to start this topic.

The team isn’t going to be anything with this current roster, change needs to be made. Firstly, Maggette is playing well the last couple of weeks but all he is a scorer that can rebound some. His trade value is moderate, as he does produce, but he is a third option, not even a second option on a team and he has to play within a team system, not allowed to run rampant like he does on this team with this coach.

Crawford is the next one that is a negative. Like Maggette, he has never been on a winning team nor contributed to one being a winner, he gets his numbers but doesn’t help a team much. He does have value to a team that needs a SG but has to play as a third option and withing the team system.

I want Amare, as he is going to get traded, but the Warriors won’t get him, because the Suns stupidly just want expirers and not talent that is capable of getting better, like the Warriors have. I believe the Suns are in a real bad spot in that in 2010, there will many teams under the salary cap and looking to sign the big name free agents, so Phoenix might not get anyone or over pay for a good but not great player. The Suns will lose Hill, Nash and Shaq within the next year, as all three will either retire or not get resigned at the money they are on or go to a real contender, as they have lost it this season for some reason.

Saying that, I’d propose this trade: Maggette (the big contract), Azu/Belinelli, BWright/Randolph and this draft’s 1st rounder (likely a top5-7 pick).
As far as talent, the Suns won’t get better than that. They won’t get young guys that have either proven recently that they can produce and/or they have alot of potential. Since Nash, Hill and Shaq are going, the Suns need replacements and though they look to get the required players in the 2010, that may not happen as planned. Azu is fairly cheap for what he’s done this season and shown he can do, Belinelli is on his rookie contract for another two years (so he is cheap), BWright also has two years left (also cheap) and Randolph same thing but three years left, so Phoenix gets security for cheap and if they don’t want any of the players attained in this trade for Amare, they don’t have to resign them, but they have the option.

Maggette replaces Hill and is better than him at this point in their careers, becoming the starting SF and fits well, being a designated driver and not the best player on the team. BWright/Randolph replaces Amare and either one has the talent to be like Amare, whether they do become that is the question but they already block shots well and rebound well, as well as have offensive skills. Azu/Belinelli don’t replace Nash (at least not Azu who is not PG type at all) but either can be a good sixth man to say the least. The lottery pick can be used to get a high ranked Center, thus a replacement for Shaq.

The Warriors get Amare, still have Monta and SJackson (who is good as a third option like last season), have Biedrins to go with Amare, forming a great rebounding inside duo, have either BWright or Randolph to back up Amare (if Randolph stays he could even play some SF), Azu or Belinelli, both have shown they can perform well as startes or backups and the team still has Crawford, if he doesn’t opt out. Maybe Crawford would be better with a star like Amare, maybe not. With Turiaf backing up Biedrins, Watson as backup PG, along with bench players like MWilliams (hopefully would get some playing time for a change) and Davidson/Kurz, that’s a good roster, top 4 in the West at least I think.

Thoughts?

there are too many guards on this team, anyone can see that, and ask the bulls how it has worked out for them. IMO we have to trade one of our guards, starting with Crawford. I don’t think we should get rid of Wright or Randolph either. I think they have great upside, and with Biedrins Wright as our front court there is a lot of length, rebounding and blocked shots. Then having Turiaf and Randolph off the bench adds some extraordinary blocked shots. I am not sure a trade for a PF is absolutely necessary

Wright for Thaddeus Young. At least this dood could hoop….

plays hard, not an expensive contract