Stoudemire, Bosh, Baron: The Active Warriors’ trade market, as it now stands [Talking Points]
"I think first and foremost the Suns want salary-cap relief and the Warriors do not have any to provide."
Aren't you glad the Warriors foolishly bought out Adonal Foyle's contract 2 summers ago instead of just waiting out their mistake and turning it into a valuable bargaining chip? That $9 million expiring contract would be pretty handy right now. Instead the Warriors foolishly burned whatever money they "saved" from that silly buy-out on assembling this horrific roster.
Chris Cohan + Robert Rowell + Chris Mullin- this is getting old fellas. You keep making the same silly mistakes. Expiring contracts are valued in this league, especially during the trading deadline (see Brown, Kwame > Pau Gasol > 2008 Western Conference Champion LA Lakers) and the offseason (see Ratliff, Theo > Kevin Garnett > 2008 NBA Champion Boston Celtics). Get a clue and some semblance of a basic understanding how the current NBA works.
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if i remember...
part of why they bought out Adonal was because he wanted to play and couldn’t with Nellie, and thus wanted to leave. They were cool with him and soooo… yeah. Just to throw that out there…
I've always liked Adonal- a lot.
But who cares? He signed a contract and the Warriors have to do what’s best for the franchise.
I have a hard time believing that they’re not treating a guy right when they’re giving him 9 million dollars annually plus free complimentary floor seats to the watch the Warriors play. If Adonal was so upset about not playing, then he should have tried spending some time actually improving his game.
And let’s not blame Nellie here. Adonal couldn’t play on the Warriors because he is a very poor NBA player. His minutes with the Magic this season augment that. He’s played in 5 games this season- 5.
Mullin’s absurd 6 year $42 million deal for Foyle might go down as one of the dumbest free agent contracts of all time. It has nothing to do with injuries, Foyle flat out was/ is a terrible NBA player.
Thumbs Up on Fish Trade + Worst FA’s since 1996
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 8, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
BARON!!
we got no chance at stoudemire or bosh….so lets bring baron back!
LGW!
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawk on Feb 8, 2009 10:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
haha
funny. so not only do we completely rip them off by getting baron, but u expect them to throw in thornton as well?
this is what i call a trade! rec'd my brother!
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Feb 8, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
or this!!!
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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Just please don't trade beans
Am I the only one who would be extremely upset if the warriors traded Biedrins for Amar’e? While I love Amar’e, and it’d be nice to get an inside scorer, we’re a very prolific offensive team. Why give up 4-5 rebounds a night, for a guy who may leave after next year?
I think that’s the biggest misconception about this team. They are not a prolific offensive team if you dig deep. They’re an average offensive team by Hollinger’s offensive efficiency rating (14th out of 30) and FG% (16th of out 30).
On the other hand they’re a terrible defensive team by Hollinger’s defensive efficiency rating (28th out of 30) and points allowed 111.3 a game (worst in the NBA).
Now unless Nellie can get Amare to actually care about trying on D (which I doubt), Amare is not going to be help the Warriors improve their league worst defense. But he sure will bump up their offense to the level of a top team.
Amare’s a guy who is one season removed from getting 25ppg on nearly 60% shooting. Now that’s prolific.
I seriously doubt Amare’s rpg don’t improve if he’s on the Warriors subbed for Biedrins. But even if it doesn’t, picking up an increase of 12 ppg for a legit #1 option who’s 26 at that shooting rate seems like a no-brainer.
Too bad I doubt the Suns are foolish enough to move Amare for Biedrins + Warriors redundant/ flawed swingman.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 8, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Amen
Biedrins is nice, but Amare’s a force. Let’s just say that when one of the top 5 guys in the NBA under 30 becomes available, we should be willing to give up anyone on our roster to get him. As good as Baron was, Amare is a better player who would make more of an impact. Trade Ellis, Biedrins, Wright, Randolph, anyone, everyone to get him.
Good point, Atma
However, how do we solve the Center crisis? Amar’e is, and wants to be, a power forward…we have no center, if we take away Beans. Yes Amar’e probably gets near Beans numbers in rpg playing center, but it hurts everyone if he’s at 5 instead of 4, and like you said, getting him to commit to defense is a huge issue.
Furthermore, what worries me about Amar’e is he has had a top-5 passer feeding him the ball his entire career. The thing about Amar’e, is he does not have a pretty offensive game. He has an ok jump shot, and he uses force to get to the bucket, which means he takes ugly shots that manage to go in, gets in foul trouble easily, and is screwed if the refs aren’t calling fouls.
On the other hand, the dominant Amar’e that I always think of is slamming it home from 10 feet out of a beautiful pick and roll with Steve Nash. Yes, I’d love to bring that half-court game to the Dubs, but I don’t feel that Amar’e is ready to be a dominant offensive player without Nash. That not only hurts his ppg, but significantly hurts his fg%. just like Beans couldn’t miss last year because Baron gave him passes that even I could score on, Amar’e gets a huge amount of points on pick and rolls, pick and pops, and alley-oops. I don’t know if we could handle that.
Now if we could get Baron back, I’d do about anything to get Amar’e. But in the meantime, his contract scares the living daylight out of me.
exactly
i just don’t see any scenario where the dubs get any decent big without giving up beans or monta, and obviously we’re not getting amare. if anything this is a ploy to convince season ticket holders the front office want to improve the team.
then there’s the fact that we still would have no pg. how can a team with no legit starting pg or pf and no expiring contracts legitimately improve via trade? this roster is years away from putting anything competitive together.
shawn marion's jumper makes me want to crap a book on how to puke.
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Feb 9, 2009 2:03 AM PST up reply actions
Addition by Subtraction
I would trade away draft picks to unload the contracts of Crawford, Jackson, and/or Maggette for cap space or expiring contracts.
They are not a prolific offensive team if you dig deep.
Umm… not that deep. All you have to do is look at any numbers other than PPG and you can tell they aren’t that great.
I seriously doubt Amare’s rpg don’t improve if he’s on the Warriors subbed for Biedrins. But even if it doesn’t, picking up an increase of 12 ppg for a legit #1 option who’s 26 at that shooting rate seems like a no-brainer.
Well, he’ll have to stay on the floor long enough by avoiding fouling everybody coming down the lane after they waltz by our guards… which he probably wouldn’t do. He’d turn that 111.3 points allowed into 115 easily, but does he improve the offense as much… I don’t know, probably, but not by much.
"No no Nene!"
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 9, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Its not happening
50 bucks says hes goin to miami for marion and beasly
I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.
Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.
by STIX on Feb 9, 2009 12:10 AM PST reply actions
Tim K is just making things up!
bosh and baron are just complete random names he just THROWS out there to get attention. what a muckraker.
THIS IMO
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!!!
1: baron
2: ellis
3: jackson
4: amare
5: goose
bench: kelena, morrow, belli, turiaf, randolph
omg i wish!!!!!!!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
the front office is full of BS
they’re just trying to make it seem like they’re doing something when infact they’re all just sitting down and counting paychecks.. there’s no effort to bring a star player into the organization.. they just want to satisfy season ticket holders and dupe them into re-newing.. MARK MY WORDS ON THIS DAY.. NOTHING BIG GETS DONE BEFORE THE TRADE DEADLINE… i’ll put all sorts of money on that.. like i said before, BAN ALL TRADE TALKS ON THIS SITE PLEEEEEAAASSSEEEE!!!
I KICKED IT WITH JESUS ONCE.. HE'S KIND OF A PRICK
THANK YOU
Thank you for FINALY sticking Mullins name in with the idiots. Its about time.
Our team is being run by a business major for a reason, Mully BLEW IT. Thats how bad it was, they would rather have a guy who will screw up, but atleast wont cost them money, versus a guy who screwed up, and cost money.
Sounds like a winner to me, as soon as they can, they will CAN Mullin. Isaiah Thomas Jr.
And these are the most realistic ways to get Amare
or something like this
the bottom line is that our contracts don’t match up very well with the Suns, and both of these trades leave somene with a fairly raw deal. But we can dream
by myk on Feb 9, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
we definitely need a 3rd team if we’re going to trade for Amare…
by myk on Feb 9, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
we need a pg that could pass for Amare to be good. Remember Steve Nash is the only reason his number so good. lol and it not going to happen.
by warriorfan4life on Feb 9, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
Trading Beidrins for Amare is ridculous. It does not make us better.
We need more size and trading our most taleneted big man and a top 5 center int heleaugue is ludicrous.
by dungeness crabdribble on Feb 10, 2009 7:24 AM PST reply actions
trade one of our guards or something + some people in the bench
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
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