The Amaretards Come Flocking
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 9, 2009 11:24 AM PST
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PrintWhat is the point of getting Amare? More than likely we would have to give up Biedrins and a major chunk of our future (Randolph, Wright, or Turiaf). All for what? One year of basketball in which we MIGHT make it to the playoffs.
Then what? I guarantee you that Cohan and Rowell couldn't hang onto an Amare contract if it was printed in stickum. Then everyone says "oh, but then we'll have soooo much cap space in 2010." Really? Not compared to the teams that are actually prepared to rebuild that year.
We'll be able to get 1 superstar, if any with the subtraction of Amare's salary from the cap.
If anyone thinks the players aren't eyeing the colllective pies and collaborating on how to split it up then you are a fool. The Warriors do not have a very big pie. If the Warriors can only bankroll ONE superstar in 2010 then the chances of them acquiring top talent is minimal because the top talent will be pooling itself where the cash is. More than likely the Warriors would end up overpaying due to the impending contract sprees that will give agents more comparative bargaining chips to use against clubs.
Why would we even want to trade now? The value of expiring contracts (like Amare's) are inflated through the roof, and the Warriors are stacked with the exact opposite (long term contracts). This would be the front office equivalent of buying high and selling low.
My consolation is that this is just a bunch of hype from Rowell to keep season ticket purchasers interested. I honestly don't believe they would have spread the rumor about acquiring Amare without knowing that they had no chance at getting him. The Suns have no incentive to make their competition a contender.
Honestly the Warriors discussing a trade they're pursuing before it is in the bag would be a first for Rowell and Cohan. That was the first warning sign for me that this was just a PR stunt. So yeah, I'm not going waste my time with this anymore because it would be just plain stupid to trade for Amare, even though we would get one good year of basketball.
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Haven’t even finished reading the diary, but you get a REC just for coining such a great nickname. And I am a proud Amaretard!
Thing 1
Would it really even be a "good year of basketball"?
I’m not so sure. It would surely be entertaining with lots of scoring. We might set the post 70s record for average total number of points scored in a game for both teams, but it’d be like 115 for the Warriors and 120 for opponents… I’m not sold that Amare would make that much of a difference sans Biedrins…
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 9, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions
Totally agree!
Biedrins would most surely be the major piece in this deal and without him next to Amare in the lineup we would still be weak up front. We lose our best rebounder (for a player who doesn’t rebound well for his size) and we start subtracting from, not adding to this team. Also, I’m not so sure of Amare’s long term health after the microfracture surgery, but I guess that’s okay as we had already offered MAJOR contracts to Brand and Arenas after their major injuries (where are they now?)!
Not if you would play Turiaf next to him
With Amare no need for Biedrins anymore. Amare can play away from the basket unlike AB, and he has a jump shot, so Turiaf could stay around the rim. It would be a much improved team. But it ain’t gonna happen. The Warriors don’t have anything to trade.
by formerlythecity on Feb 11, 2009 1:07 AM PST up reply actions
You seem to forget that...
In basketball, you have to play offense and defense. The improvement Amare creates on offense is certainly negated by going from one of the best rebounders in the NBA to an average rebounder on the defensive end. Nobody has ever, or will ever, argue that Biedrins is in STAT’s stratosphere on the offensive end of the court. But it’s not all about putting points on the board, or we would have won a championship already.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 11, 2009 7:22 AM PST up reply actions
+ 1
And to “formerlythecity”. Unless you want Ronny and Amare to play 40+ mins a game, it won’t help. Because if it did help, Nelly would be playing them together more often. I mean come on, I can count the number of minutes Andris and Ronny were on the court together during regulation on 1 hand.
Considering the quality of his play vs. the size of his relatively small contract.....
we should respect that or he will become valuable part of another team’s future.
He is only 24-5 years old.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 9, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
I agree that he can be a more than reasonable contributor, but he’s a backup, plays like a guy who will continue to be a backup. If he regularly plays more than 20-26 mpg, you’re not going to be terribly successful. If you are building your team by depending on backups, you’re destined to fail. If he helps net us a more productive starter, it’s a trade you have to make. He was a good investment, in part because he’s reasonably priced and another team may value him accordingly.
by jae on Feb 9, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Some legacies are built on good backups.
Him not costing much is the fundamental building block that will put All Star talent ahead of him. Therefore he should be part of our future.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 9, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
If the team were otherwise in good shape financially and there was any reason to believe that reasonable spending on Turiaf was the difference between getting a player or not, but for the life of his contract we won’t be in a position to spend to improve around him. We won’t be in a position to add the quality ahead of him that he can back up. So no, his price is not the fundamental building block to put all-star talent ahead of him.
I am not sure which “legacies” (and not sure that’s the word you want to use) were build on good backups when there wasn’t much ahead to bother backing up. Perhaps you could provide some examples?
The reality is that the team has to give up something to get something. When you start putting Turiaf in the category of too much to give up, you’ve hit a point of ridiculous homer-dom that defies reason. He’s just not anywhere close to good enough to warrant him being off the table.
by jae on Feb 9, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Soooo
90’s bucks
Warriors of the 70’s
If it weren’t for Steve Kerr the Spurs could kiss a ring goodbye.
I’m not necessarily saying we have to make it to the finals every year (probably the kind of legacy you were thinking of), but I just don’t want a flash in the pan, and then we’re yo-yo’d back to where we are the year after. That would just be sad, and like I said it would be disingenuous to the fans. I’m just talking about being in it for the playoffs every year.
People have been getting way off track here (jae).
Suns don’t want what we have. They don’t want to make us better. Trading right now would not maximize the value of the contracts or the players involved (especially considering how they built the team guard heavy). Also, player loyalty will be at an all time low in 2010. It will be Baron and Brand times 100. So you can attack me all you want about how much of an idiot I am for wanting to keep Turiaf, but your still ignoring the bottom line: It ain’t going to happen. Not to mention that the season is in the tank so why ruin our lottery position on a knee-jerk reaction?
So yeah, you can keep smoking your pipe dream. Maybe layoff the trade threads a bit. I think they are going to your head.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 10, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
If it weren’t for Steve Kerr the Spurs could kiss a ring goodbye.
Possibly, but without Duncan and Robinson, they wouldnt of made it to the playoffs. Your suggesting that keeping our version of Kerr(Turiaf) is more important than getting a Duncan or Robinson(Bosh/Stoudemire)
We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 10, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Now we're just splitting hairs
Kerr did a lot more than just make those few points.
I’m done, I’ve made my points, and anyone talking about how we could get Amare is just pissing into the wind.
In spite of that, I want to thank everyone that posted on this thread (even the haters). Don’t think I wouldn’t be psyched if we got our grubby pickers on Amare, but I saw A LOT of problems with it, and some reality issues that people seemed to be ignoring so that they could blow their e-wads.
While I want Turiaf for the future I am comfortable with the idea that he might have to go. I just don’t like it. From a purely infrastructural standpoint we need contracts with his kind of production. You can never argue with that.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 10, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i agree with you entirely
we would basically ruin our lottery pick this year too
I’m all for high lotto picks/trade ups. But if we could land Amare, We’d still have a lotto pick. Depending on what we give up, I definitely wouldn’t mind going for one of the lesser tier PG’s in this draft. Ramon Sessions was brought up by JAE, and while I really like that idea, I don’t think it’s possible. We’d have to take back a boatload of salary and give up more than just CJ Watson/Marcus Williams + Turiaf. Sessions for Watson + Turiaf + Wright? I’d pass. Another name to toss out there, Sergio Rodriguez. He’s not as effective of a scorer that Sessions is, but he is a solid playmaker and isn’t flashy. He also is having a pretty solid year as a PG, not as a shooter however. I haven’t watched his defense, although it can’t be any worse than CJ’s.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
The only reason I thought Sessions and Gadzuric for Watson, Williams and Turiaf is plausible is because we would be taking on more salary. Gadzuric makes more than Turiaf and has an escalating contract while Turiaf is front loaded. Since Milwaukee is in lux tax danger, they may be more willing to make such a move than they would otherwise. It’s not implausible given that. Otherwise, it would be.
Rodriguez has been a terrible, terrible TERRIBLE shooter. I’d be hesitant to give up anything to give him a trial run. He’s also got a build that makes Ellis look like a hulking giant.
by jae on Feb 9, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
+1
I like sergio, but not for this team. I’m convinced we need a PG who has adequate size and outside shooting ability to play next to Monta. Sessions has both and while Gadzuric would be a step down from Turiaf he is athletic enough to be a decent backup for this team and he could have some value as an expiring contract next season.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
fair enough.
It does scream Marcus Williams all over again.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
amare
If there is a way we can trade for him without losing monta or beans than im all for it but if we have to lose one of them I would have to think about it a lot
Yup
If we can get Amare with any of our other pieces, then yeah, go at it. Biedrins and Ellis are the cornerstones of this franchise for many years to come. This is the first year of their contracts. And now we’re going to risk it all for 1 1/2 seasons of Amare?
This is the Warriors equivalent of the Stimulus Plan. Frantic and temporary.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 9, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
So would you trade BWright Jack and a combination of Maggs or Jamal for Amare?
To make the contracts work we would probably have to take back Barnes or Hill.
by myk on Feb 9, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
yes!
Frisco n*ggaz ain't no punks!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 9, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Hell no!!
If amare gets injured we’re left with scrap!!! Are lineup would be weaker if we lost Jack/Bwright/Corey or Jamal just for amare. Amare is good, but come on. We’d have no bench, and even our starting unit would be hurt. I’m not throwing away what appears to be a promising team for one player when we haven’t even seen them play together or at 100% once. Not to mention that Amare would probably cut after 1 1/2 years. Forget that.
by myk on Feb 9, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
A bench is considerably more important when they’re backing up a team that doesn’t suck.
by jae on Feb 9, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Warriors do things backwards.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Feb 9, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A bench is considerably more important when they’re backing up a team that doesn’t suck.
That’s my point. Losing 3 starters, or one very valuable 6th man isn’t worth one starter. At least when referring to Amare
by myk on Feb 9, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
When your starters have you on pace to limp home with high 20s wins, I don’t think I’d be as concerned about the number three.
One very valuable 6th man can be important. Turiaf is not a ‘very valuable 6th man.’ He’s a pretty reasonable backup 4/5.
by jae on Feb 9, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
I was reffering to Maggette
And I dont know what are starters can do. I havent seen them all together yet, let alone at 100% healthy
the trolling Suns fans
are laughing really really hard at this point. Watching us get our panties in a twist over whether or not we’d give up Wright, Maggette, and Jackson for Stoudemire. Maybe if we gave them $100,000,000 cash on top they’d think about it.
Bosh and Stoudemire may just trade teams. Toronto and Phoenix are willing to deal, but only for players of equal or greater stature. (Or that whole contract/money thing). We have none of those.
For trade proposals, we should accept jae’s Sessions/Gadzuric proposal as the CEILING for what can (and should) be accomplished this year. Anyone setting off fireworks that arc higher in the sky than those two is most likely hitting the crack pipe a little too hard this winter.
I doubt Milwaukee would trade Sessions
He’s really starting to come into his own over there. He’s assuming the leadership role and not to mention, Charlie V. is stepping it up. I think Sessions is going to be a fixture on the Milwaukee Bucks. I would love to get him though, he’s pretty raw!
Swagga on a Hundred! Thousand! Trillion!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 10, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
After looking at this...
a bit more, I’m convinced we don’t really have a shot at him. The Suns seem to be looking for a combination of expiring contracts, young prospects, and high draft picks. We have two of those things but no expiring contracts.
They would have to take back either Monta, Beans, Maggs, Jackson or Crawford. They certainly have little to no interest in Jack, Maggs or Crawford. Andris is a poor fit for their team despite being a valuable asset in general. Monta has some question marks after his injury but would probably be the centerpiece of our best offer.
Of course Monta is BYC which causes some problems numbers wise. And that just about seals the deal for us unless we can work out some three way deal where we send someone to a third team which would provide the Suns with a large expiring contract. Yeah, probably not going to happen.
On a somewhat related note: Why is it only acceptable in this league to trade away your stars for prospects and cap space? I understand the value of prospects and capspace, but wouldn’t you think that PHX with an aging Nash and Shaq would be looking for a player that would put them back into title contention right now? This league is weird sometimes.
Thing 2
As opposed to trading stars for stars?
If you’re trading away your star power forward, I’m not sure if you can count on receiving another star power forward in return; seems kinda beside the point. A star-for-star trade might be more likely if the star you’re trading already has a capable replacement waiting in the wings, allowing you to acquire a different piece of the puzzle, and that does seem to happen from time to time.
I completely agree, though, that it seems silly for Phoenix to trade their youngest superstar for future considerations. If I were Kerr, I might prefer to appease Stoudemire as best I could, trading away Shaq if possible, maybe even canning Terry Porter who, let’s face it, hasn’t yet proven himself as a head coach.
The chances of Phoenix getting great value for Amare at this point are pretty slim, as they always are in these scenarios. (See: Garnett, Kevin; Gasol, Pau.)
Nuck Chorris
Im sorry someone poo’d on your pillow or stole your wheaties this morning, however the “Negative Nancys” such as yourself have held down Warrior nation long enough.
Amare Stoudemire is going to end up being a Hall of Famer when its all said and done. The Warriors have been dieing for a TRUE TRUE PF/C.
If you were to give Don Nelson, Jesus like powers to make his perfect Center/PF combo, after downing a cherry pie, and 3 glasses of wine, you would have Amare Stoudemire.
He does EVERYTHING Don Nelson begs of his players everyday. STOP PLAYING D, SCORE MORE. Most of all…. there has been a misconception here..
The Warriors can score. They sure can, there is no doubt about that. However its HOW they are scoring that is lame. Jumpshots, jumpshots, jumpshots.
Who on the Warriors can command a double team in the post?
Crickets
Thank you.
Amare would, can, and hopefully will. Can you imagine Morrow sitting there with saliva dripping on the floor in front of him ala Aliens waiting for his man to leave him and help the poor soul that is guarding Amare 1 on 1.
Can you imagine how more aggresive Monta Ellis could be with the other team being in foul trouble 3 minutes into every quarter? You do know he is 260lbs and is faster then everyone on the Warriors with exception to of course, Mr. Ellis right?
Go home, take a shower, talk to your wife about what you just said, and we’ll call it even.
I’ll keep a ‘Natty’ Ice on hold for you boss…
by sjboy on Feb 9, 2009 12:57 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Its not worth it if we are just a turnstile in his path to success.
Do you seriously think that Rowell and Cohan could hold on to him in 2010?
I don’t doubt that having Amare would be cool. I just don’t want a flash in the pan. That is doing the fans wrong just to get ticket sales.
You don’t think Rowell/Management WON’t do anything and everything in their power to keep Amare here beyond 2010? I’m going to stay on the glass half full side for once in my Warrior’s life and say we can pay the man more than anyone else in the market. If we turn into a playoff team in 09’ or 10’, the added revenue through ticket sales and playoffs should help encourage the FO that resigning Amare is fundamental to their making a profit.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
;-)
Putting my trust in Rowell and Cohan is like trusting my two year old niece to do my taxes. Actually, I think little Cassidy would do a better job.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 9, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
pr
Nuck, you actually think that this is a PR move?
If they’re spreading RUMORS just to make season ticket holders happy, then it would just make the fans even more mad when they finally find out that a trade isn’t happening. Cohan knows that. Seriously, you think people are going to buy more season tickets because of a rumor? lol.
by Precise Films Productions on Feb 9, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Considering that these rumors
originated from ticket reps talking directly to the media. Not to mention that these trades are wildly impossible. Yes. This is a PR move. People aren’t going to buy more tickets because of a rumor. It is people would feel more comfortable purchasing tickets if they feel like the front office is actively trying to make the team better. The front office loses nothing by highlighting their empty gesture. The context in which these rumors originate speaks volumes.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 10, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
oh okay
So you want them to keep Monta and Biedrins, but you wouldn’t trust them to do so. And if they DO do so, you wouldn’t trust them to keep Amare. There’s no point in not trusting them after all.
by Precise Films Productions on Feb 9, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Uhh..
It has nothing to do with revenue and everything to do with cap space and potentially paying a luxury tax. No owner wants to pay luxury tax. Increased revenue will not outweigh the luxury tax liability, if the Warriors did re-sign Amare and it put them over the cap.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 9, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
D-U-H.
Most of the teams that make the playoffs are paying Millions in the luxury tax. That’s what it takes to get quality players in the NBA on one team. We still have great attendance rates at Oracle, fans will come out no matter what the economy is like as long as we are winning.
Even if teams pay the luxury tax, they’re still making millions in profit.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
13 teams are over the tax level
1. New York Knicks
$97,685,075
2. Dallas Mavericks
$92,758,122
3. Cleveland Cavaliers
$90,305,156
4. Portland Trail Blazers
$82,371,043
5. Boston Celtics
$80,781,018
6. Los Angeles Lakers
$77,755,408
7. Houston Rockets
$75,468,359
8. Phoenix Suns
$75,196,295
9. Toronto Raptors
$72,701,763
10. Detroit Pistons
$72,392,678
11. Chicago Bulls
$71,441,989
12. Milwaukee Bucks
$71,275,939
13. Washington Wizards
$70,259,475
With your logic, all of these teams have what it takes.
Look, I’m not an accountant for an NBA team, but I can assure you that in this economy, teams will try to save as much money as they can. More than half the teams would rather not pay the luxury tax than pay it and they seem to be totally okay just collecting revenue by putting on a mediocre to poor show for the fans.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 10, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
dang...
someone did their research!
Swagga on a Hundred! Thousand! Trillion!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 10, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
I just know where to look
But seriously, we can’t just assume that just because pro sports is reflected by owners and players that make millions of dollars that they are fine with spending millions of dollars. Yes, I get the logic “to make money, you have to spend money” but like I said, in this economy, I doubt that holds true any more. I reiterate, I’m not an accountant so I can’t speak for the Warriors financial situation. Maybe if I get a job with them, I will let you guys know. I’m thinking of applying for the assistant controller job and then overthrowing Rowell as team President. My first move will be to bring in Rick Barry as free throw coach. LOL
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 10, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
haha..
I’d support you on that! Have Biedrins shoot some under hand free throws! LOL…nah but u do make some good points. I just think Amare would do so much for this franchise and it’s worth all the risks. As long as we don’t give up too much (im talkin both Ellis and Biedrins) and we can somehow get rid of some dead weight (Williams) then I’d pull the trigger with the quickness! those luxury tax issues and what not, cross those bridges when we get there and hopefully something can get figured out.
Swagga on a Hundred! Thousand! Trillion!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 10, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
A bit of a clarification: 12 teams may be above the tax. For what it’s worth, the tax this year is supposedly $71.150 million, which puts the Wiz under.
But a couple of other teams might also be under as well.
Those numbers you list are summed salaries, but that’s not how the tax is computed. For example, Malik Allen is listed as making 1.3 mil for the Bucks this year as part of that $71,275,939. It’s actually a bit less than that (Hoopshype and other sites round off some figures) and he’s due $1,262,275 into his pocket. That’s the vet min for someone in the league with his tenure, but that’s not what the Bucks pay for him. They’re only on the hook for $797,581. The league pays the rest as part of the CBA and only the part the Bucks pay counts towards the tax. That $~400k difference gets them under the tax on cumulative salaries. They may still be over with certain contract incentives figured in, that’s not clear. Since that is the largest incentive for them to deal right now, it’s an important consideration that they probably know, but we don’t. Bulls are in a similar situation.
Thanks for the clarification
I admit I am not that adept at figuring out the salary situation of each of the teams. That being said, I still am certain that every team on that short list not named Boston, LA, and Cleveland would rather be under the luxury tax.
I don’t see San Antonio on that list, I think they’re going to be in the conf. finals with the Lakers. I guess they’re an exception since Duncan had his contract adjusted so the Spurs can sign some players. If he didn’t have his contract adjusted, do you think the Spurs would have been willing to go over the tax level? I doubt it, but that’s just me speaking on behalf of the greedy owners of the NBA.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 10, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly...
We would have every possible advantage in re-signing him. If the W’s front office was able to land him you’d think that breaking the bank to keep him around would be part of the plan.
Now if he decided he absolutely hated it here he could always walk (and with Amare you never know) but I would think that whoever makes a move for him would have the best shot at keeping him.
Thing 2
I seriously see where you're coming from...
…and as a long time Warriors fan, I can understand the frustration and lack of trust in our front office to actually be able to hold onto a talent like Amare Stoudemire but to say that it’s “just plain stupid to trade for Amare”, is actually a very stupid statement to make IMO. You made really good points and all but I think you’ve let the built up frustration of being a Warriors fan block your view on how to put a winning team together. Amare is a dream player for this team and the way that we’re built. He will solve so much of our current problems and will automatically propel us into playoff contention (maybe not this year but definitely next season!) I understand how you’re looking at the “big picture” and all by jumping to 2010, contract extensions, re-negotiations and what not but why don’t we cross those bridges when we get there. If we even have any sort of legitimate shot at getting Stoudemire on our roster, we almost certainly have to take it. A proven talent like him is just too rare to pass up. Also note, I’m not taking anything away from Biedrins or Ellis, I absolutely love those guys and if I could, I would keep them both and somehow try to dump Maggette or Crawford’s contract to acquire Amare. Anyway, my point is that we need a player of Amare’s caliber and the buzz is already out that we are actively pursuing Amare Stoudemire, so don’t try to kill it, instead try to hype it up even more so that our stupid front office sees how badly this fan base wants him and they will work extra hard to get a deal done. Come on man, where’s the faith? The only thing bad that I can see out of this situation is that he’s a little disgruntled but what better place to revive your career than Golden State? We’ve been known to help out in that area for a couple of players (Baron and Jackson). His arrival would automatically make him a fan favorite! This is Amare F’ing Stoudemire we’re talking about!
Frisco n*ggaz ain't no punks!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 9, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
THANK YOU
Seriously, what kind of retard would take Andris Biedrins over Amare Stoudemire? LOL.
by Precise Films Productions on Feb 9, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
I would
I’d rather have a great team player whose abilities are easy to complement (there are more scoring 4’s than defense/boarding 5’s) who is younger and hasn’t had microfracture surgery.
Oh, and Amare has a character red flag the size of a small island.
Seriously though!
tell it like it is man! How can anyone try to find any type of negativity in trying to acquire one of the most talented PF’s in the league. I understand all the points that he’s making but at the same time I’m only looking at the positives in picking up Amare. People are quick to jump the gun and predict the Warrior front office is going to screw everything up again because of all the stupid things that they have done but I think picking up Amare is a no brainer and will make a lot of your future decisions easier. He will almost definitely fit right into this system and once the team begins to taste success once again, I think it would be almost impossible not to throw a ridiculous amount of doe at Amare and all we would have to do is put more pieces in place around him. If a deal gets done, it would be the biggest thing to happen to the franchise since the acquisition of B. Davis a few years back, maybe even bigger!
Frisco n*ggaz ain't no punks!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 9, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
LMAO
This was hilarious
He does EVERYTHING Don Nelson begs of his players everyday. STOP PLAYING D, SCORE MORE. Most of all…. there has been a misconception here..
Don Nelson begs his players to stop playing D?!
" Yes.............No..............GOOGLE!"
Nellie...
doesn’t like players who don’t rebound and who are one dimensional. I don’t think Nellie’s favorite player is Amar’e. We wanted Garnett, and Garnett, Amar’e is not. Also, after watching Turiaf’s stellar defense and the results, I am reminded of how much I admire great defense and how fun it is to see a team that cares about winning instead of glory. Deep in the playoffs, Amar’e can’t defend Duncan like Turiaf yet costs more than 3X more. If we can defend people like Duncan, we can hang with teams with Duncans on them even without overrated superstars. We need a player who will compete on BOTH ends of the floor at PF for THAT price. Besides, Amar’e would be gone shortly. Why have him such a short time and accomplish almost nothing? Maybe if there was just one more year on his contract, it’d be worth it.
Rec'd
You had me at “Jumpshots, jumpshots, jumpshots”
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
Amare is an All-Star
how many of them do we have again? Oh thats right, we we’re hoping morrow could get into the 3-point shooting contest!
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
well
if we can get rid of maggette and some other guys, i don’t see why you wouldnt do it. If we HAD to trade monta or biedrins, i’d get rid of monta. We already have 85 guards/small forwards on the team anyway. They can take one of those contracts too, amare+biens would be a very quick front court
I don't think Phoenix gives up Amare for Ellis
Biedrins is way more likely. Unless we trade Ellis with Turiaf, but I don’t want to do that.
by myk on Feb 9, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
We'd have to give up Biedrins to get Amare or Bosh
But if we kept BWright Turiaf and Randolph, I’m down. How’s this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2427165197727901727&teams=282821219&te=&cash=
I think everyone gets a fair deal. This season we start, Monta Jack Buike BWright and Amare. Maggs still comes off the bench with Bellinelli Morrow CJ AR and Turiaf. We send Biedrins east so we don’t have to see him all the time. And we draft a pg next year. I’m down with this trade.
But then again, I’m also down to see what this team looks like healthy before we split it up
Jamal could also opt out at the end of the year
And with Foyle’s money coming off the books, we may be able to nab him back
by myk on Feb 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
guys...
we’re talking about AMARE!! why not have him for a season and a half in hopes of signing him past the ‘10 season?!?! People are talking about giving up our “future” (wright, randolph, belli)?? our draft pics haven’t been THAT good to us lately, so what makes you think that our young guns are going to be our “future”?? We’ll end up trading them away in the future anyways. I say do whatever it takes to get amare, then we can trade in the off season for players we need, ie, a PG. Hell, i’d trade monta away if suns wanted him. then we could draft a REAL pg, or trade for one. I honestly think monta screws up our lineup because of his size.
maybe this is just me being frusterated as hell about our dismal season…
Well then, I’m frustrated too. Yes, Monta is a very exciting player. He can do things many other players can’t. He has shot for a good percentage, had a good scoring average, he puts the D on their heels and he energizes the team. I do think he can play the point a bit and he should be able to defend the point, actually did OK against Deron Williams last night. So he’s a very valuable player.
But that said, trading Monta to get Amare is a no brainer for me. With the running style that Nelson likes, the team really needs a point guard who can facilitate and adding Amare would only make that more the case.
i'm sorry but amare is not worth for trading monta
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
undersized 2 guard coming off a serious injury for a 26 year old four time all star big man who thrives in an uptempo system…………
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
he needs a true pg
which we don’t have.
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
and
thats not even true….Amare posted 20 and 9 while winning R.O.Y. in ’03 without Nash. Or do you consider Joe Johnson, Leandro Barbosa, or Howard Eisley true pointguards?
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
You can't build a team around Amare
He is a dependent talent who has spent his entire career playing with good PG’s (how many of those does GSW have?), who absolutely does not play D, and wants to be “The Man” at all times?
Why does Phoenix want to trade Amare?
Here is my prescription for Phoenix:
1. Dump Nash and Shaq
2. Swing a trade for Baron
3. Have next year’s starting lineup be: BD, Barbosa, JRich, Amare, Anyone who can rebound
4. Sell me season tickets and a condo in the Valley of the Sun
People talking about trading Monta and Beans are out they damn minds. Crawford is the guy to go, and he won’t bring Amare in return.
Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai
There
will be no trade with the Sun for anyone unless they can offer expiring contracts. And the Warriors cannot offer that to anyone. Case. Closed.
Steinmetz just said the samething
well I guess the hype was good while it lasted
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
Actaully Crawford can opt out after this year so he is almost the same thing as an expiring contract
Trust me. Trade him to Toronto and he will opt out! Phoenix? Maybe not.
by dungeness crabdribble on Feb 9, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions
I hope
her opts out unless he stops ball hogging and chucking shots.
" Yes.............No..............GOOGLE!"
You got 7 recs with a quickness!
Impressive. I’m torn between desperately wanting Amare at almost any cost (Amaretard) and wanting to stick with Monta and Biens long term. I gues I dont really have to pick a side knowing that theres only about a .2% chance of landing Amare.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
I know it wont happen
but why do people act like the dubs would be giving up their future if they made a big trade for Stoudemire…the guy is 26 years old…thats it. If we actually traded for the guy, there is no forseeable reason as to why we wouldnt be able to retain him once his contract expires, especially because his bird rights come with his contract. Amare becoming the go to guy on what could conceivably be a very competitive, offensive oriented team seems like a good scenario in which we could keep the guy. Again, I know it wont happen, but to give up some type of package combo of Ellis, Wright, Williams, Draft Picks, cash and/or another player would be assets I’d be willing to see go in order to have a superstar PF who fits our style perfectly come to the bay
+1
It probably won’t happen but I’m glad to hear we’re in the talks to get him. You just never know, I desperately hope that we can somehow land him!
Frisco n*ggaz ain't no punks!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 9, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
+1.
If Amare is disgruntled because he isn’t getting touches and doesn’t like being badgered about his defense, what could make him happier than playing for Nelson?
Any package that kept one of Biedrins or Ellis would be a good deal for us.
by jae on Feb 9, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Any package that kept one of Biedrins or Ellis would be a good deal for us.
Yep, that would be the ideal situation. We can add a quality player with the MLE and a end of the bench guy with BAE and another prospect with our lottery pick. If we catch some luck and Crawford opts out, things would be looking real rosy.
Ellis, Turiaf, Williams, and Randolph for Stoudemire. We can toss in CJ Watson to take Goran Dragic off thier hands if they need a reason to close the deal. Let’s make it happen.
We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 9, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
no no no
you want to trade Turiaf, Randolph and Monta for Amare?? I don’t see Biedrins and Amare meshing that well together. I know Amare is young, but he is not worth losing our best shot blocker (which Amare is not known for shot blocking), our best scorer, and our 19 yr. old draft pick who could have a really bright future. Sorry I may be alone on this, but he’s not worth it.
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Trade Everyone
You get Amare on your team, other Free Agents are calling their agents wanting to come here for some hot cali sun, and some Don Nelson loving.
You dont get this player, you got a Latvian dude, and a Mississippi guy who rides mopeds. If youre into Strip Clubs, we got a guy who walks in strapped to those, so you’re good.
Amare Amare Amare!
hot cali sun?
have you looked outside lately?
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
dude
it’s been raining non stop . . . are you in a cave or something?
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Okay
Even if the Warriors DO get Amare in a trade and they lose either valuable key players that are locked in for 6 years(Monta and Goose), Amare only has until 2010 until he can go on another team and we lose one of our future key players for a player like Amare that probably will get offered a lot by a team that can, such as the Knicks.
Ask yourself this, are we really that desperate for an “all-star” caliber PF that doesn’t really play well without a GREAT PG like Steve Nash, Which the Warriors DO NOT HAVE. Not even a solid PG…So getting Amare is basicallly for Ameritards.
" Yes.............No..............GOOGLE!"
Is he talking about me?
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
Haha
You Republicans always think you have the market cornered on patriotism. =P
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Feb 10, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Republicans always think you have the market cornered on patriotism
Cause they get patriotism confused with selfishness.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 18, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Republican meaning of "Patriotism" is not bound by the definition. Rather by all of the potential uses and abuses.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 18, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
And some democrats' definition of "patriotism" was yelling "F-U" when they saw images of president Bush
Democrat farts still smell bad.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 18, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
God bless the Amarican school system.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 10, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Amare did fine his rookie year. I don't think Steve Nash was in Phoenix then.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
With and without Nash
Stoudemire played most of his minutes with Nash on the court last year, but played enough (about 16% of the time) without him to get a reasonable sample of how Nash affected things.
With Nash on the court, Stoudemire shot more than 60% from the field. 73% of his shots were assisted. When Nash was out of the lineup, Stoudemire was still a reasonably efficient 52.5% from the floor and only slightly more than half his buckets were assisted.
Nash did seem to have a big impact on him, as one would expect from a gifted passer like Nash. If we trade for Stoudemire, we’re not likely to be getting a 59% shooting 25+ppg PF, but more likely to be getting a 52 (or lower)% shooting 19-22 ppg PF. The latter is still quite good if he’s also rebounding his position. If not, he’s far, far less of an asset as he’s not providing support to the defense by securing missed shots.
A couple of years ago, Stoudemire was a good rebounder. This year it’s slipped considerably. It may be that Shaq is suppressing Stoudemire’s rebounds some.
by jae on Feb 9, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
I think that is partially the case. Remember, we’re talking about Amare as a 4, but pre Shaq he actually played 5. I don’t consider Diaw to be a great rebounder and Marion is more of a long rebounder, using his quickness. If a rebound was coming down, Amare had a hell of a shot at it. Now he’s the second biggest guy on his own team under the basket, and there’s not a lot of room for him. But Phoenix also shoots less now, which reduces opportunities. And when the team was up and down, he could get boards using quickness where now he may have to get strong position and box out more to be effective. So in the end his numbers may have been a little inflated due to the style of play. And with Shaq they may be a little surpressed.
I think his rebounding numbers were probably a little higher than they should have been
Game pace has almost nothing to do with his rebound decline. His rebounding percentage (fraction of available rebounds, a figure independent of game pace) is suffering this year.
In general, game pace does not ‘inflate’ statistics to the degree that many seem to think they do. The effect is pretty mild when you actually compare numbers. The fastest paced team still only has about 8 more possessions a game than the slowest paced team and only 3 or 4 more than the average team. This can boost figures, at most about 10% (meaning a 20ppg scorer on a slower team might be a 22ppg scorer on an up tempo team, playing time and usage being equal).
by jae on Feb 9, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
ok..that doesnt make sense at all
you’re saying he doesnt play well without a great PG….he’s playing with Steve Nash now and he’s actually considered expendable and less productive. Maybe its not a great PG, but a free flowin easy system in which he’s considered the main “go-to guy” in the middle. Sounds like something the warriors can provide. And yeah, we’ll have to give a key player such as Ellis or (hopefully not) Biendrins…but we get an all star PF who fits this team perfectly. And yeah, he can leave in a year and a half, but if we’re competitive, are in the playoffs, have an Amare friendly system (which we would considering he’s the centerpiece in a high pace non defensive system) AND have bird rights in which we can offer this young athletic PF more money than any other team, then why the hell would we be worried about anything. Sounds like its worth a gamble to me
agreed
Frisco n*ggaz ain't no punks!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 10, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
Let's gamble!
Frisco n*ggaz ain't no punks!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 10, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
You have to give up some value to get value.
I don’t think Phoenix would take that without some picks, but if the opportunity came, I’d do that trade in a heartbeat.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
Yeah of course
and a power forward who is leaving after 2010 is not worth what you propose giving up.
The only way to get Amare is through a 3 way. But it doesn’t matter, I’m not splitting up a team that hasn’t played at 100% or even at 80% this year just to have Amare for one season before he goes and joins up with D’Antoni in NY. Pass
Especially when I think of Turiaf Monta and AR tearing us up in our own division for the next 4 years, screw that trade.
by myk on Feb 9, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
If you really wouldn't want Amare
on the Warriors, something is wrong with you.
So you’re saying that if the Warriors were somehow able to trade for Lebron in exchange for Monta and a whole bunch of guys, you wouldn’t do it because Lebron might leave in 1.5 years?
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
agreed
he’s not worth it, he probably won’t even want to stay here
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
even if he doesnt (and I’m not quite sure why he wouldnt want to stay in an uptempo system where he would be THE man) we could easily work a sign and trade since we’d be able to pay him more than anyone else.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
he wouldn't be THE man
and I’m sure he would want to be on a championship team, which we are not yet; signing amare won’t get us there. i would rather have the fastest man in the nba who can make the key shots when no one else can. monta is getting better, and I have faith that he can turn into one of the best guards in the nba (which he was almost going to be before his accident). And to address the issue of him being undersized, he can rebound very well for his size and he plays better defense (deflections, steals, etc). Amare is very talented but I don’t think he can get is a championship.
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
?!
If we dealt Monta for Amare he wouldnt be THE man? Who would? You think we’d center the offense around Jax, Maggette or Biedrins when we have a 4 time all star big man in his prime on the roster? Honestly? I’m not saying Amare by himself will make us championship contenders, but having a young frontcourt duo of Amare/Biedrins plus a number of talented wings still on the roster gets us a whole lot closer than Monta.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
nellie wouldn't let him be the man
he would have Jack, maggette or someone else take the load. that’s how ridiculous nellie can be. I’d rather trade randolph or brandon and Jamal than monta. we don’t have to necessarily trade monta.
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
definitely pass
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
yep
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
If we dont get Amare....
then who do we get?
all the good players we had were all traded or let go.
if we wait until 2010, who we gonna get?
who would want to come, and why would they want to come?
??????????
Fun Bulls post about No on Prop Amare
http://bullsbythehorns.com/?p=240
I don’t completely agree- last year Amare averaged 25.2 points on 59% and 2.1 blocks in 34 minutes. I remember “unstoppable” and “MVP” getting thrown around. Maybe Amare does have post moves- he just doesn’t need them playing with Nash.
But all else equal, I’d prefer Bosh as a franchise player.
Amare’s a great player with a great strategic contract — even if he doesn’t want to stay, he’s hugely valuable. We should offer a crapload for this guy. How much?
Amare for Monta and Biedrins: no.
Amare for Biedrins and other guys: our team’s just as much of a mess afterwards, but, sure.
Amare for Monta and other guys: absolutely.
Andris Biedrins is a B-plus center on a below-market contract — he is our most valuable commodity. He’s also the Warrior whose contributions we’d have the hardest time replacing. Amare Stoudemire is better than Biedrins, but he can NOT replace everything that Biedrins does. Biedrins is the better rebounder… Biedrins, for all the crap he gets around here, is the better defender, and it’s not particularly close. Biedrins is also willing to be the low-glamour, all-effort cleanup guy for the team, a role I don’t think Amare would enjoy.
Amare is really, really good. It would be awesome to add Amare and fill our gaping hole at power forward. But if doing so requires creating a gaping hole at center (which is what it would do — I love Turiaf, but let’s not kid ourselves), it becomes a much less exciting move.
A Monta package — now we’re talking. That leaves us with a strong 5, a strong 4, Maggette, Jack and whoever’s left. That’s a pretty salty team. They’d still need a point guard (I don’t think this team will ever be good as long as Crawford’s playing a key role), but this draft is extremely deep in point guards… that’s the exact position we might be able to solve where we’ll draft. As much as I love Monta, that trade would be a no-brainer.
I don’t think it’ll happen… I’m not even convinced that Monta and Biedrins would get it done. There are few teams that structure themselves around the salary cap as stringently as Phoenix — if they say they’re looking to save money, they’re going to do it.
But the Warriors should not be the team that stops an Amare trade from happening. Anything that doesn’t involve both Monta and Biedrins is worthwhile, and anything that doesn’t involve Biedrins is downright fantastic. Amare Stoudemire would be the best player we’ve had in well over a decade. This is not the time to worry about our bench.
by onlxn on Feb 9, 2009 10:55 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
100% agree
especially about giving up Monta before Biendrins. I love Monta, and he may be a bit undervalued at the moment, bu Biendrins has proven to be by far the better asset and capable of filling in more needs at lower price..Monta is expendable and Amare is Amare. Lets hope Steve Kerr is as big of an idiot as he looks
common
are you kidding me? I’d rather have Monta instead of Biedrins. Yes Biedrins is very good, but I personally think that Monta is more valuable. But I don’t think we should trade anyone (except for Williams). We need the team to start meshing, adding another new player will slow that process.
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
This coming from someone who's alias is "Ali luvs monta."
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Feb 16, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
This coming from someone who's alias is "Ali luvs monta."
Haha, Luv is blind Let here alone , she’s ok !
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 18, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
onlxn,
you have again just came in and smashed it. We could take down all the Amare’s posts and leave this one up, it pretty much somes it up.
Anything that doesn’t involve both Monta and Biedrins is worthwhile, and anything that doesn’t involve Biedrins is downright fantastic
We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 10, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your logic
We ain’t getting Amar’e but if we could it would be worth giving up Monta, Jack, or any two of our G/SF guys. Our G/SF guys all have their strengths but AB is a rarer commodity on our roster. PG and PF are the two things we’re missing and we can thrive against some opponents where we have favorable matchups but over the long haul we’re going to lose more than we win. With everyone healthy we might be around .500, but that’s not going to get us to the playoffs in the West.
I’m expecting we’ll stand pat on trading since there isn’t a lot of demand for what we have to offer. G/SF types are the easiest thing to find, while high quality PGs and big men are of higher value.
Yeah, if they do a trade it will most likely be in the off season.
There will be more flexibility between the draft, the F/A and possible sign and trades. Also, teams will finally be gearing up to attract Lebron so the relative value of non-expiring contracts will rise slightly.
by Nuck Chorris on Feb 10, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Great post onlxn
Agreed.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Feb 10, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Love all of it
Beans is definitely our most valuable asset, and I think that a combo of Amare and Beans would net a PG in free agency this year.
Any chance Jason Kidd would come back to his old stomping grounds for a 1 year MLE deal to hop back into the 2010 class?
I agree
with the OP on most points. I hope the Warriors do not do a deal like Biedrins/Randolph for Stoudamire. Although Stoudamire is a great player and one fits the mold of what the Warriors have needed for a long time………………………it still is just one year and no guarentees we could retain him.
On the other hand you have Biedrins who is a solid center, and Randolph who is an amazing talent, just needs some time to develop.
The team needs to be frugal and not give up the farm for a short term player like Amare.
by runandgun on Feb 10, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Amare
does not want to play here. He wants to play in New York, or Miami, or somewhere with another all-star already on the roster. He wants to win championships, and get paid ridicko sums of money. We Believe is not the place for either of those things. There are very few places that are.
Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai
I had a REAL DREAM
I swear, I had a weird dream the other night and Amare and that Dudley guy got traded to the Warriors for Biedrins and some other players. But I can remember that the Warriors were beating the Suns but Amare had attitude issues and was yelling a lot.
Yes, it’s really awkward but after having that dream, I don’t want Amare on the Warriors.
"Shallow Hal, wants a gal"
You're not hot anymore!
I don't want Biedrins traded for anyone.
Trade the others. But don’t ever, ever trade beans and kelenna.
Hello people.
Beans, Buike and Marcus Williams
comes close to being enough for Lebron James salary wise.
We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 13, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Don't trade
Monta, Kelenna, Jack, Maggette, or Beans. How about we don’t trade anyone?
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
and be mediocre at best?
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
you have a bad habit of responding to all my posts that don't always address you
I suggest you back off
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
oh I'm sorry
I was under the impression this was an open forum. You have a bad habit of being wrong. I suggest you learn to deal with criticism.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
it's my opnion
just because you don’t like my opinion doesn’t mean it’s wrong
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
that's ur opinion
and i don’t really care about your opinion. So let’s agree to disagree
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 16, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Anybody excited to see the new Will Farrel movie?
Proof that there are no stupid ideas… just ones that nobody agrees with. Though, it could be easily argued that Galileo, Darwin, etc. were stupid for not realizing they were putting their lives in danger when they released their radical ideas on the Christian world… but I digress. Ali is no Darwin.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 16, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this
thread needs to end. w/o an expiring contract to give, the warriors will not get a trade from the Suns.
eh
definitely would give biedrins, bwright, and a protected 1st for Amare
Why must we trade for Stoudamire?
HE IS NOT WORTH LOSING THE WHOLE TEAM FOR! I WOULD NOT TRADE ANYONE FOR HIM, I WANT THE TEAM TO STOP TO STAY TOGETHER AND MESH. THEY ARE DOING BETTER RIGHT NOW, WHY DOES ANYONE WANT TO F**K THAT UP? We don’t need him.
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 15, 2009 11:59 AM PST reply actions
because
even if they play a little better than they are now, this team still isnt all that great. A 26 year old proven stud big man is a great piece to build around and they dont become available very often.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
ha
fine with me, but it will surely cause Ali luvs monta to hate you.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
i actually don't care
I’m fine with homosexuality :) I realized that this is a ridiculous site filled with lunies and people who want to trade everyone on the team, etc. I’m tired of reading all the rumors that have no shot of happening, and the hate of the players and etc. Besides I don’t hate anyone, you people have no impact on my life whatsoever.
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 16, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
nobody here
hates any of the players. (at least I havent seen anyone express that on here) Many of us are disppointed with the team’s performance and direction. Most of us have been around for a looooooooong stretch of bad basketball. A blog like this is inherently going to have bad or not very well thought out trade ideas. However, there are also some very intelligent basketball fans who are more than willing to share their knowledge. We dont always agree, but thats kinda the point of the site. Wouldnt it be rather odd if we just all sat around and discussed the greatness of the Warrior franchise and the superiority of our players as the team raced out to a 19-35 start? I’m pretty sure I’ve been on the opposite side of arguments and traded insults with most or all of the regulars around here whose opinions I really expect. but I think we’ve all learned something from hanging out here (well maybe jae hasnt learned anything) I dont mean to offend you Ali, but you dont come off as the most well informed fan. I certainly dont claim to be either. But my point is, even if you lack the thick skin it sometimes requires to engage in debate around here I’d encourage you to stick around and read what guys like Sleepy, harcore, bloodsweatanddonuts, Dubs Fan in Boston, onlxn, jae, olympicmike, etc have to say for your own informational and entertainment value
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
I see what you are saying.
I understand that the point of this site is to discuss and etc. I’m not the best debater, I’m still learning. I don’t think that we should worship the Warriors, I guess I don’t know when I should keep my mouth shut and let it go on this site. I’m sorry that this even happened, I don’t like arguing. I’m still young, and I want to learn as much as I can about basketball. I may have too much faith in the players but someone has to, the fans are part of what keeps the team going. We are all fans here. Even though the team is having a rough start, we are all still here. I’ll stick around and will leave a few comments that shall not bring debate. Thank you. I’m sorry.
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 16, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
ha
whose opinions I reallyexpectrespect
8 hours of TV (all star game, then MTV’s awesome new Sunday nights) followed by a day on the couch doing absolutely nothing productive seems to have turned my brain to mush.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
that's ur opinion
and I personally don’t care about your opinion. So lets agree to disagree
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 16, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
YEAH! I LOVE TYPING IN ALL CAPS!
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Feb 16, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
from what i've read
the suns want to clear out some salary.. that’s why i think this would be more realistic (but not necessarily realistic) than some of the others that don’t give up monta or biedrins:
that is the most realistic Amare trade not involving Biedrins or Monta I’ve seen. But wouldnt Cleveland prefer to send a draft pick and Hickson to get Amare for themselves?
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
Cleveland can do much better than Maggette & Morrow for Wally...
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 16, 2009 6:49 AM PST up reply actions
fine with me
except i’d rather not ship away kelenna
Monta Ellis, the one man fast break, the Mississippi bullet!!
by Ali luvs monta on Feb 16, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Amare is definitely getting shoped
and it’s all a financial move (maybe for 2010?) but yeah
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
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