Warriors Trying for Bosh, Too [Inside the Warriors]
"Obviously, nabbing Bosh would require the Warriors to move a big name — Biedrins or Ellis — and some young talent to help Toronto rebuild. So this just shows that they are willing. The fact that they are throwing their name in the hat for these big players, even if futile, is a change in pace. These two were untouchable. Now, the Warriors are willing to play all their cards, even though they haven’t seen everyone healthy for a significant length of time yet." - MT
It's good to see that in contrast with many Warriors bandwagoners and homers, the Warriors front office seems to (finally) believe that Andris Biedrins and Monta Ellis are not untouchable. Unless he makes some serious strides in his defense (which seems unlikely), given his lack of basketball fundamentals or drive to even add a simple jumpshot to his game after 4 years in the league, Biedrins has probably leveled off as a nice, solid player, but nothing close to spectacular. Let's ignore Monta's absolutely dismal 2008-2009 outing for second. Even if he returned to being the high scoring and efficient player he showcased last season, his atrocious D, sloppy handles, and poor court vision might be too much for him to overcome to take that next step to All-Star guard in the loaded West.
On a 17-35 team no one is untouchable. I'm not really sure that either player is that big of a name outside of the Bay Area right now. I'd be surprised if any team was as high on either player as the We Suck fandom and front office, but let's hope they are. This team and its longtime fanbase desperately needs All-Star level players, not guys with "ridiculous upside" to borrow a phrase from our friends.
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Bosh has a much more complete game, is younger, and hasn’t had microfracture surgery. He’ll be much harder to get, though.
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I'm curious why people think Bosh > Amare
A quick glance at their career stats shows that Amare is significantly better than Bosh in terms of PPG, FG%. Blocks and rebounds seem pretty close.
Amare- Career Stats
Bosh- Career Stats
Age-wise Amare is about 1.5 years older than Bosh. To me that’s meaningless.
Over the past 3 seasons Bosh has missed far more games than Amare.
If Bosh is a superior defender, that’s a good reason why Bosh > Amare, but the stats, age, and injury history don’t seem to indicate that- at least to me.
I’ll take either though of course!
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 9, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
To me it’s that he seems more of a leader than Amare is. Their stats, to me, are a wash. They both are productive All-Star caliber bigmen. Amare seems to disappear at times, and gets moody when things don’t go his way. Bosh just seems more consistent in his leadership ability.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
That doesn’t make any sense. Their stats aren’t a wash at all and that FG% discrepancy is huge.
Bosh has never even led his team out of the 1st round of the playoffs in the Leastern Conference. Amare has been to 2 Conference Finals in the mighty West. How is Bosh more of a leader?
Bosh a is real deal All-Star, but Amare is a real deal All-NBA 1st teamer.
I think it’s a just case of the media reports about Amare being cranky and all the (deserved) attention and high expectations the Suns get vs the Raptors being in the NBA’s equivalent of the third world.
Again, if there’s a compelling case that Bosh is a superior defender I could be swayed that Bosh > Amare. Right now I’m not buying it.
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 9, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Would I take Bosh? Hell yeah. Would I take Amare? Hell yeah. Would I take Bosh over Amare? Nice try buddy.
Bosh would be another big guy who would rather take a jumpshot then take it to the hole.
HOW CAN YOU SAY THATS WHAT WE NEED over Amare who rocks the rim harder then Moses Malone on a Tuesday?
Look at the crap-tacular lineup Toronto has built around Bosh. For most of his career he has had to be “The Man” in Toronto. Meanwhile Amare has had the help of two other All-Stars around him, as well as some pretty good role players. They even made it to the second round of the playoffs (I can’t recall how far) without Amare in 06’. Don’t get me twisted, Amare is the Best player on his team, but to dumb the comparison down to just Stats is not telling the whole truth.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
Craptacular?
They paid people, he played with Vince Carter, and they had TJ Ford, Calderon is no chump, they had the #1 pick in the draft, Anthony Parker is a solid player, go ask Miami if they want Kapono back or not, O’Neal is a signing that still has the jury out.
You want to know what the common denominator is? Bosh not making the strides his contract says he will.
Look at Wade, LeBron, Carmelo.
Sure Amare has All-Stars with him, when you’re on a team that is winning of course you’re not the only All-Star ( except Cleveland LOL ). I mean, JAMEER NELSON WAS AN ALL STAR LOLOLOLOL
I know what you’re getting at though, you see the Warriors get killed on defense, and you dont want another guy coming in that is not going to guard well.
Let me tell you, its best to fuel the fire then put it out. Look at what happened to the Suns, they introduced defense, now they are having a fire sale with the team. Its that quick.
lol
Yes he has. He is this year. He was last year.
lol you don't think stoudemire has benefited from having the best passer in the league on his team over the past few seasons
give bosh, nash and i guarantee he’s getting more dunks, boosting his fg%
Bosh actually plays defense, whereas defense isn't even in Amare's vocabulary.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Define Complete Game
Amare shoots 55+ every year, when has Bosh done that? Amare is First Team all NBA, when has Bosh done that? Amare has a TON of playoff experience. How about Bosh? Amare is a BIG BIG 6-10, 260lbs, 3 bodyfat. Runs like the wind. Bosh is a craft, gangly, 220lbs (soaking wet) PF that plays in the EASTERN CONFERENCE.
Look were comparing gems with rubies here… both are nice, but make no mistake, Amare is top 5. Dont let the DYSFUNCTIONALITY of the Suns fool you. You put him on a Warriors uniform, its 30 pts and 14 rebs with 3 blocks a game.
EASY. And when I say easy, you know how you step on a bug easy? yeah, its that easy.
by sjboy on Feb 9, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You put him on a Warriors uniform, its 30 pts and 14 rebs with 3 blocks a game. EASY. And when I say easy, you know how you step on a bug easy? yeah, its that easy.
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I’m drooling all over my keyboard like it’s We Believe 07 and everyone’s dreaming up ways to bring KG to the Bay!
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 9, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
if u bring in one of these guys (bosh are amare) they are just going to leave in a year or 2 when their contracts up, so… whats the point
Naw
Players love it here if Nellie loves them :) …. + who wouldn’t want to live in the Bay Area where its hot in the daytime and freezing at night + the fans are great?
He is not going anywhere if he gets to the Bay.
One look at Northern California, good fight, good night. He is locked.
In contrast with many bandwagoners?
What are you talking about? So I’m a bandwagoner if I don’t like what’s going on in the front office, even though I’ve been a fan since the 4th grade? So you get to decide who’s a real fan? Last I remember, you used to be a Knicks fan AND you wrote a post about how you gave up on the Warriors.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Feb 9, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Correction
I am a Knicks fan. Also a Warriors fan. I rep the East and the West!
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 9, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
And you call us bandwagoners?
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
I would rather have Bosh over Amare too. Just never thought getting Bosh was even possible.
Bosh Movement!!!!!!!!!!!
Explain why please
Im curious. It just seems so clean cut that Amare is soooooooooo much better. I mean, Bosh = punkable, Amare = break your neck.
Do we want another Troy Murphy toughness player?
Don't EVER
compare Bosh with Troy Murphy. Bosh isn’t punkable. Did you see him at the Olympics? Have you ever seen him play? Bosh is a superstar. Not saying he’s better than Amare, but don’t compare him with one of the Dunmurphy sisters.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
Anyone who would rather have Bosh than Amare
is insane.
Amare was the third best player in the NBA last year (statistically speaking, only James and Paul had a higher PER). He’s a dominant, other worldly player and he’d be playing in a system tailor made for him. Bosh is good. Really good. He’d make a nice consolation prize, but make no mistake, Stoudemire is the true stud of this trading deadline.
Also, anyone who says Amare’s got a bad attitude, just stop. You know who else had a bad attitude? Baron Davis. Boy, picking him up sure backfired. You know another attitude problem? Stephen Jackson. Man, I sure regret bringing him and his attitude problem on to the Warriors.
by philthiest on Feb 9, 2009 7:49 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
warriors need to have an attitude to be warriors! otherwise their just fakers!
yaaaaaaaa! we need our swag back! amare could help!
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Why Bosh is more likely than Amare
Amare is in the West so it’s going to be hard to see the Suns trading to a team in the West…. They would have to see Amare wayyyy too much and they would not want that to happen. The Suns have one person that they will not trade…. And who is that? Nash….. Will the Suns trade for Monta in order to get a position they already have because Monta will def not start at the 2since they traded to get JRich. They will not have JRich come off the bench. With that said, Monta will not desirable to trade for. Beans? If this is Feb 2010 yes because they would have their replacement for Shaq when he retires that summer. But for now, they have Shaq…. Not saying that he’s going to be there long but that means Beans either plays the 4 (Which isn’t his spot), he backs up Shaq or he starts for Shaq when he doesn’t play the back to back night…. With that said, what do we really have to offer them?
The Raptors? Well they have somebody at Beans spot, with O’Neal and they also are somehow trying to like that first pick a couple years back. So that kind of knocks Beans out of the running to package. So who does that leave us with to package around? That my friends would be Monta. Yes, some love em and the rest hate em but I think that would be the best man to work around. They have Jose Calderon, but they don’t have that scorer on there team and I’m sure that Monta qualifies for that spot. With Jose & Monta, that has the potential to be a deadly PG/SG combo. Monta gets to go back to being a SG and not worry about playing the one and that would work well on the floor because Calderon can do the passing with no problems. A trade of Monta/BWright/Randolph/CJ/MWill For Bosh is good for both sides…. For The Raptors get youth (Monta, Wright, Randolph), a potential face of the franchise (Monta), cap relief (CJ & MWill) and if they want, they can release everyone but Monta in 2010 and pick up another big star. For the Warriors, they get rid of multiple guards and players they don’t play. With Bosh, he is an All-Star foward who doesn’t complain, and the best thing is he doesn’t slow the pace down to hurt the Warriors because he can strech the floor with his jumpshot outside the paint but can also take it into the paint. With Amare, he can be a distraction, will not be the absolute focus point of the team, wont bring it every night and he still will probably leave. The starting lineup of Crawford/Buike/JAX/Bosh/Amare with Maggs/Marco/Turiaf/Morrow could be more than just We Belief, but We Are Serious.
Be yourself, because everybody else has been taken.
by The Dedication on Feb 9, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Whoops
Hit the bold on accident, please read
Be yourself, because everybody else has been taken.
by The Dedication on Feb 9, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm
That’s kind of a new one.
Biedrins + for Amare AND Monta + for Bosh?
Not sure it’s remotely realistic, financially or otherwise, but Iove the resulting roster (even if two of Jack/Maggs/Craw would need to be gone for salary purposes…)
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 9, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Look at my foolishness
That’s not what I meant. It should have been Monta/BWright/Randolph/CJ/MWill For Bosh….. I don’t know where Amare Came from….. I was saying Bosh was more realistic than Amare
Be yourself, because everybody else has been taken.
by The Dedication on Feb 10, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Too late.
Let the Bosh AND Amare movement begin!!!
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 10, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
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