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Would you let Turiaf go?

According to steinmetz he might be a bargaining chip here's the links:

"MattSteinmetz"

http://www.examiner.com/x-441-Golden-State-Warriors-Examiner 

and 

"Comcastsports.net"

http://bayarea.comcastsportsnet.com/sports-blogs/featured/parting-with-ronny-turiaf-might-be-bitter-but-necessary-pill-to-swallow-for-warriors/

(I dont know how to make the link... but cut and paste it)

I love the energy Ronny translates onto the court, it makes me feel like I'm on the court but if we can get a proven PF, why not? I understand we'd have to package him with either Crawford/Maggette/Ellis or any of the other scoring guards we have. I feel we need that star power we lost in Baron and Jax is not the piece. So if we could either Bosh or Amare, would you package Ronny in a deal?

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Package Turiaf?
Hell Yeah! Do whatever it takes!
70 votes
Hell-to-the-naw! We're just getting in groove as a team.
129 votes

199 votes | Poll has closed

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let get baron back

lets trade for baron and studie

by gswarriors925 on Feb 9, 2009 1:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

u mean this?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=194101716549732773039324221661727&teams=9212112211221129&te=&cash=

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by LostHawk on Feb 9, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Steinmetz

will address the trade issue on KNBR @ 200

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Feb 9, 2009 1:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

we have no BIGS

i say keep turiaf. we have beans, who is 6’11" and turiaf who is 6’10". those are our only centers (if you even call turiaf a center, i’d say pf). We need more bigs. lets trade away some of our guards, which we have a plethora of, and get another solid PF/C…

by Young Moolah on Feb 9, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

agree

YM’s right we need more bigs not less.

There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.

by qin on Feb 9, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but if we have a package for Amare that includes Ronny,

than you got to do it, espcially if we get to keep Andris. Building around Andris and Amare is a wet dream…

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 9, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really believe

Ronny has that much weight as a bargaining chip. If you read the article, Ronny style of play fits playoff team making a push!

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Feb 9, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if we were going to do this I would rather give up beans

Why you ask. because beans and Amare play the same position so we would have someone playing out of position and looking silly when there both on the court and if its Amare, disgruntled, or Andris would be his back up.

And we still have no PF

There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.

by qin on Feb 9, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

beans and Amare

they would coexist very nicely thankyouverymuch both on the court and in a rotation of bigs

watch Phx play a bit, Amare at PF with Andris would be ideal

by hardcore on Feb 9, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Turiaf has more value to us than most other teams

He is an elite role player, which is almost an oxymoron, but his energy and playing style coupled with our lack of bigs makes him more valuable to the Warriors than an ordinary team.

They’ll keep him because he is a cheap fan favorite, which means he puts people in the seats and money in cohan’s pockets

by T-Money on Feb 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

“Energy” seems to be something fans value though its correlation to victories is far, far less consistent. I like Turiaf. I think he’s providing something beyond his numbers (which aren’t good) but he’s still a backup and playing like that’s what he’s destined to remain. If someone has a piece that improves us in a starter’s spot, it’s a no brainer. If Turiaf is the stopping point in getting Stoudemire or Bosh (or really anyone else who projects to be an above average starter anywhere on the court), something is really, really wrong.

by jae on Feb 9, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I agree with this.

I also think that Monta should not keep us from getting a player like Bosh or Amare.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on Feb 9, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really think that Ronny is worth holding onto, unless we are getting a great deal and a big is coming back to us. Nevertheless, I love that guy, and it would be tragic to see him go in any circumstance.

by andrisBthousand on Feb 9, 2009 2:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Steinmetz proposal:

“Turiaf, Magette and/or Jax”. Also said phoenix is looking for financial relief and nothing more. Talent would be the icing. So Amare coming to the bay is close to neal but the HYPE was good while it lasted… He also proposed a trade with the laker Odom for Turiaf. But Im not to interested in something like that. idk. we’ll see.

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Feb 9, 2009 2:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

financial relief

is precisely what we DONT have to offer … unless Crawford promises to opt out if dealt to Phx … would take a miracle or moving Monta to get Bosh or Amare

by hardcore on Feb 9, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How about part 2

The Warriors terminate Monta’s contract that they have been holding over his head to provide cap relief plus bench guys for Amare..this is your brain on drugs

by highflya on Feb 9, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How about part 3

Have to add Magette and filler to make salaries work

by highflya on Feb 9, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The only reason to trade his is for another big pf/c type player

While his stats may look bad, he changes shots. His energy probably helps the young players as well.

by mosdl on Feb 9, 2009 2:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bosh anyone?

for Turiaf + Jax/Keleena/monta/Magette?

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Feb 9, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+ draft pick

for Bosh?

aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR

by gogomaplata on Feb 9, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

don't worry

neither would Toronto

by hardcore on Feb 9, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep,

thats a no brainer for both sides.

Warriors do it in a second.
Toronto asks if we are joking and then hangs up.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 9, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All I am saying is that I’m not giving up my future, my top bench player, and my top defensive player for a player who’s not going to stick around.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 9, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And all the others are saying

Is that the Raps wouldn’t give up a young, still improving All-Star PF for a bench player, a solid-but-overpaid SF, and a young question mark.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 9, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stop hating.

Maggs is a beast. Jack is putting up ridico numbers. Monta will be himself again. Biedrins will be an all-star reserve. Buike is a man. Turiaf is Predator. Belli and Ammo are nice off the bench.

Convince Crawfish to opt out, pick up a big ugly rebounder, force-feed BW and AR some pie, and we’ll be fine.

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Feb 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jax

His attitude and ISO PLAYS AND TO’s are Ridiculous too.

" Yes.............No..............GOOGLE!"

by AlbinoWhale on Feb 9, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
force-feed BW and AR some pie, and we’ll be fine.

haha, we them to be in shape not obese.

" Yes.............No..............GOOGLE!"

by AlbinoWhale on Feb 9, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

Just feed em double doubles!

by mosdl on Feb 9, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ha

i just figured “pie” was the new slang for anabolic steroids and human growth hormone.

by Ormolov on Feb 9, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lol. "Buike is a man."

Wouldn’t want any girls on our team, I suppose.

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Only trade turiaf

If we get a legit PF in return.

I may get killed for saying this, but if we trade for someone of Amar’e’s caliber, I would rather keep Ronny than Randolph or Wright. I say this because Turiaf is that great energy guy off the bench, who is unselfish and plays defense. It is great to keep these kinds of players, but honestly, when it comes to acquiring a player like Amar’e, the only guys off the trading block should be Monta and Beans, since they are studs and locked in past 2010.

by bradyk2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No, but I'd get rid of SJax in a heart beat with

other fillers (i.e. AR or BW and Bellinelli)

JR...An All-Time Warriors Favorite!

by MANUTEs BOLs on Feb 9, 2009 4:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

trade Jackson!!!!!!

by gswfan13 on Feb 9, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the only way id give up turiaf is if its gonna be for a star PF

by gorillas on Feb 9, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think people underestimate

Even after he got injured, how lost our team would be without SJax. There are very few players in this league who could lead us the way Jack does, and almost all of them are PGs.

by bradyk2 on Feb 9, 2009 5:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

definitely agree with you on that one. i also think people take biedrins for granted a whole lot as well.

by gorillas on Feb 9, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats on Jack to leading us to 16 wins.

Other than the ones he was injured for of course.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 9, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this is like blaming Kevin Durant

for the thunder only winning 12 or so games. We have had it laid out before our eyes that we cannot win without Jax. Just because we only have 17 wins doesn’t mean everybody on our team sucks.

by bradyk2 on Feb 9, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We have had it laid out before our eyes that we cannot win without Jax.

Record this year with Jax: 13-29. (.310)
Record without: 4-6. (.400)

by jae on Feb 9, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, this is not necesarilly fair

Because A) our team sucks this year, and Jack is not supposed to be the #1 option (which he won’t be, once Monta’s healthy), and B) Jack played injured a lot, which was detrimental to the team.
A more accurate statistic is

Record last year with Jack: 47 – 26
Record last year w/out Jack: 1-6

by bradyk2 on Feb 10, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why is it not fair to note that the team is better with no Jax this year than with him sometimes playing hurt? Sounds like you’re making up the rules after the fact to fit your original statement. Remember that statement? “We have had it laid out before our eyes that we cannot win without Jax.” You said it. It was refutable, and then you decided to change the rules, to ignore this year (when we’ve won more without him than with him) and look only at a small sample last year.

Unfair enough, but if you want to look at last year, you should try thinking about it first.

#1: you’re making a conclusion based on a very, very small sample. This tends to lead to erroneous conclusions from time to time.

#2: if you look at the actual games, in those first 7, the Warriors played 2 games against Utah, a team that had defeated them in the playoffs the year before, a game against Detroit, a perennial contender out of the east, the Mavs, a perennial playoff team out of the west, and Cleveland, the previous season’s runner up. The other loss was to the Clippers. They got spanked twice by Utah and played the other 4 games close. They had one loss to a team that by rights they should have beaten and 5 to teams where a win wasn’t even close to foregone. They weren’t getting run off the court in those 4 non-Utah losses. Things just hadn’t clicked.Yet. And then BEFORE Jax came back, they ran the Clippers off the court and looked like a dominant team.

Now it’s entirely probable that having Jax back helped, but considering him as the lone variable and leaping to the conclusion that he’s so incredibly important as to explain all of the difference is fairly simplistic and, quite probably, just plain wrong. Correlation isn’t always causation and in this case, the correlation isn’t even all that good, as the team started playing real well the game before Jax got back. You have to ignore that to reach the conclusion that “we cannot win without Jax.” You have to ignore this season.

And importantly, you have to ignore that small sample sizes can show goofy things. The Warriors weren’t the only team to lose 6 in a row last year. Houston, a team that finished better than them did so as well. And no, it had nothing to do with any player on Houston’s team being hurt. It happened in their first 13 games as well, with not discernible change in personnel to explain it. Just a rough patch after a very good run. It happens at times.

Of course, none of this is necessarily fair, because it doesn’t support what you initially asserted.

by jae on Feb 10, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i would only like to get rid of ronny if ...

we deal stax and possibly crawford with him
or we get a superstar which is most unlikely

trade Jackson!!!!!!

by gswfan13 on Feb 9, 2009 6:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

AB is our main big. Turiaf is our second. we need a THIRD big, not to trade ONE we have for another ONE

"Dont come closer. I have rabies."

by TheWarrior on Feb 9, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Amen

unless that other one is a star.

by bradyk2 on Feb 9, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His name is Brandan Wright.

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 9, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

id

keep him if he starts taking what a-rod is taking so a little bump won’t separate his shoulder

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Feb 9, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Better to have more, but when that’s not an option, Stoudemire and Biedrins as your lone two bigs is a huge upgrade over Turiaf and Biedrins.

by jae on Feb 9, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

keep him

he is a player i don’t think we can put a price on. he has more value to our team than his trade value imo

by Agent Zero on Feb 9, 2009 11:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

here ya go,

Turiaf = really good back up 4/5, great attitude, young with a good contract
Amare/Bosh = young perenial All-Star

Turiaf<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Amare/Bosh

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 10, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd let anyone go...

if it would make our team hella better. No one is untouchable, not in this league and certainly not on this team.

Swagga on a Hundred! Thousand! Trillion!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Feb 10, 2009 9:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Definelty,

the closest we get is Andris, but if theyre is a Andris/Randolph for Bosh deal, we got to make it,

We will probably need to be patient and let this season play out.
-warriorsvictim

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 10, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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