All that glitters is not gold
by lightz0ut on Feb 9, 2009 6:47 PM PST
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PrintHere's a breakdown of the overplayed lines here in GSOM that when you stop and think about it, it doesn't really make much sense.
Let's get Baron Davis back. I'm gonna start off with a bang.... Why the hell would anybody want Baron Davis back with the Warriors? Seriously. Stop for a minutes and check out his stats for this year. It's just downright atrocious. If you honestly believe that he'd magically come back to his old self if he were to get traded back to the Warriors, you need a reality check. I won't put down the guy's desire to win as I don't know him, but I will point out that he's already missed 14 games this season. And say he did come back somewhat his old self, if you think the Warriors will instantly turn into contenders, you might need another reality check.
No matter how you spin it, the We Believe Warriors were just a notch above mediocre. Yes, I said it. It's a tough pill to swallow but it's the truth. Actually, the overplayed line is more about thinking the Warriors were a great team two years ago. They were the most exciting team in the league, but great they are not. The Warriors barely missed the playoffs last year and barely made it the year before. There's no other more exciting brand of basketball out there but the team would just sniff the playoffs for the next few years, barely making it one year and just missing it the next. What makes the We Believe Warriors (seem) so great was the long line of crap it preceded and this year's crap that followed. Compared to the league they still are mediocre, or at best, just above that. Sure there were money issues, but I doubt the ownership (no matter how incapable the might seem) would just break up that team if it was a bonafide playoff one. It's arguable that they made a good decision in not signing Baron to the contract he wanted, it's the decisions they made thereafter that really screwed up everything else.
We didn't pay Maggette $10M to come off the bench. I find this line the most hilarious of all. What's the connection between his salary and coming off the bench? Especially when he's putting up something along the lines of 20 points and 6 rebounds, which I might add, is significantly better than when he was starting?The guy's finally able to somehow justify the contract the Warriors gave him and people are complaining because he's not in the tip-off. For all I care, he can sit next to me in the last row of the Oracle with my $8 tix for the first 5 minutes of the ball game, come down, and put up the numbers he's putting in.
Stop this trading non-sense, let's wait the season out and it will be alright. I think this one is a bit debatable but I strongly believe this is the wrong stance to follow simply because the team is not balance. I do believe the team is capable of playing a lot better given more time and better health -- maybe good for another 40-win season next year. But does anybody think we can really win with this lineup? And I'm talking about more than just sniffing on the last playoff spot in last week of the season.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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The only things I agree with you on
are the Baron Davis thing and the Maggette thing.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
Nellie and Dunleavy run vastly different systems, I think its at least as ignorant to only look at his poor stats from this year as it is to assume he would make this team a contender again.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 9, 2009 7:03 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
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I never assumed he'll play the same way he's playing at the moment
in fact, I do expect his numbers to go up.
But a lot of people seem to think that we’re getting the same Baron Davis we had last year. It might have only been a year, but lots of things have changed in between.
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but if his decline in production is due to hearless effort what make you think he wouldnt be better if he returned? Also have you never had a boss or job you disliked and didnt produce as well for? Not that its any excuse, but surely you can at least relate.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
do yo really think were gonna have a 40 win season next season?
we need a legit bigman, and to me, mor importantly a real PG
like BD, and if we could get rid of Jamal and Maggs for bd, thad be great
and if we could get rid of Jamal and Maggs for bd, thad be great
you make it sound like Crawford and Maggs are such a burden.
But if Baron doesn’t come close to being his old self, he’d be absolutely impossible to move. He’s already missed 14 games this season, he’s likely to miss more playing 40+ minutes on a faster pace for Don Nelson.
All 3 has their own different red flags but Baron carries more. His contract is both longer and more expensive. He’s got the biggest health concern of the 3. He needs to play on a specific system while the other 2 will have less trouble fitting in as role players on most teams.
I have to disagree that we’re in a major need for a PG. Unlike year’s past, a lot of our players can create shots on their own. What they need is guidance on when to shot and when not to. Two years ago, we had a number of catch and shoot players who doesn’t have a very effective dribble. Our center would only score on put backs and drop offs. This year, most of our players can create their own shot. But we are in dire need of a big man. Simply because we have no none.
the we believe was better than mediocre
Seriously down the stretch, we were a damn good team, perfect players for Nellie’s system. Also, they had the heart and desire to win. This team we have here does not really have that fire that J Rich Barnes Baron had. Jackson does and Turiaf too, but that is about it. I would take that team back in a second just because they were so fun to watch and you knew they could beat any team on any given night if they wanted too.
JRich 23
by warriorsalltheway on Feb 9, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions
they were so fun to watch
and I would gladly embrace that team back in a heartbeat just for entertainment value alone.
But while it’s true that they can beat any team on a given night (which really is true for most teams), they would not beat any playoff team in a seven game series sans the Mavericks and the Suns.
"This team we have here does not really have that fire that J Rich Barnes Baron had"
Hmm its interesting that you say that considering that our team this year hasn’t played together fully healthy once. Its also easier to look like you have that fire when you’re winning all the time. The We Believe team was winning constantly, no one was injured and almost all the key players were older vets. Its hard to have that fire when you get your ass handed to you every night.
by myk on Feb 9, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone seems to forget
For all the times that BD won us games last year with his dominant offensive performances, he lost us games (specifically the ones at the end when it really counted) with his o’le defense, extremely ill-advised 3 pt shots, and lets not forget his b-day party before the suns game last year. BD was great as a scorer and distributor when things went well, but with all the weapons we have on the team now, we need a pg who looks to get them open first, not shoot a fadeaway three. I say we make a trade this summer to shake things up by trading one of our glut of high paid guards along with some good young prospects (meaning one of wright/randolph/bellinelli/cj) in the hopes of getting a good serviceable PF. I’m not even talking a superstar, because I don’t think we’re getting one for what we have to offer without giving up Biedrins, Turiaf, or Ellis in the process. Im thinking we look for someone along the lines of Villanueva or Gooden, someone who is at least 6’9" and isn’t made of chicken wire. Considering the draft is supposed to be loaded with pgs, I think that is what we should look for, since we’re not going to get Blake Griffin barring a miracle.
and lets not forget....
how the we believe free throw % lost us games… i bet if our free throw % were a little better that year we would of made the play offs forsure
So....
We won some games and lost others? You guys just blew my mind!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 10, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
Keep in mind...
that Baron was much better in Oaktown than in his last seasons in New Orleans. This guy plays on emotion. Currently he is on a team with no chance of winning, that plays boring basketball, and for a coach who gives him no offensive freedom. Of course he’s going to suck. He’s Baron freaking Davis. We’re not talking about Kevin Durant here, putting up monster numbers for a sucky team. There’s a reason we loved Baron even when he shot the ball poorly, or chose bad shots – he wanted to win with us, and more importantly, he did what it took. I would take him back in a heartbeat, especially considering that a trade with LAC would almost undoubtedly be Maggette.
Yes the We Believe Warriors were not championship contenders, but they were close. And by close I don’t mean almost good enough, I mean they were a piece (PF) away from being championship contenders. We weren’t like the current Pistons, winning 40-50 games but having no future. We were like the Blazers last year, winning 40-50 games, and knowing that we could keep going up. If we trade Maggette for Baron, we are the development of Randolph, or the signing of Boozer away from possibly being a very good team.
I’m not ready to treat Baron like a king, and offer the clippers anything for him. But really, we are a pg-less team…would you really not trade Corey Maggette for the man who turned our franchise around??? We won 48 games last year. 48!! And other than losing Baron, we have more talent this year than last. Both players are injury prone. I don’t know why we wouldn’t trade our best bench player for the best warrior in the last 15 years.
+1 i did a post bout the trade id do
jamal maggs and marcus for BD brian skinner jason hard and baron davis
skinner and hart both have one year contracts and people complaining about Bds bad contract, i rather have that contract than maggs, maggs jsut scores and rebounds, baron brings leadership scoring playmakign rebounding and a go to clutch player
by the way, your 100 percent right about wanting to win with our team not gonna lie i miss BD for than anything
id take him over amare..i know..
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Yes the We Believe Warriors were not championship contenders, but they were close. And by close I don’t mean almost good enough, I mean they were a piece (PF) away from being championship contenders. We weren’t like the current Pistons, winning 40-50 games but having no future. We were like the Blazers last year, winning 40-50 games, and knowing that we could keep going up. If we trade Maggette for Baron, we are the development of Randolph, or the signing of Boozer away from possibly being a very good team.
I can name a dozen team that is a piece away from being a championship contender. The question is, how are you gonna get that piece? The Warriors have no cap space, not much of a lure for a Free Agent except maybe the intrigue of playing for Don Nelson’s no-holds-barred system, and trading for one means losing some of the pieces we had.
I disagree with your comparison. If anything we were close to the current Pistons than the Blazers. The Blazers are built on an absolutely young core and, before the Darius Miles fiasco, was expecting a boatload of cap space to send next summer. The Warriors team of two years ago were built on either aging or aching veterans. As Monta and Biedrins develops, the rest of the team declines. There’s a small window of 2-3 years to peak (something we were all hoping to witness) but we still need that one piece you’re talking about. It’s easy to say we’re just a piece away, but that piece would come at a price. A price the Warriors would likely not afford.
LOL
No matter how you spin it, the We Believe Warriors were just a notch above mediocre. Yes, I said it. It’s a tough pill to swallow but it’s the truth. Actually, the overplayed line is more about thinking the Warriors were a great team two years ago. They were the most exciting team in the league, but great they are not. The Warriors barely missed the playoffs last year and barely made it the year before. There’s no other more exciting brand of basketball out there but the team would just sniff the playoffs for the next few years, barely making it one year and just missing it the next..
Okay first of all, the Warriors that we saw in the 2007 NBA Playoffs only played 21 GAMES together in the regular season. Those 21 games were in the end of the season, when they finally became healthy. The Dubs began those games at about 7 or 9 games below .500; The Warriors also had the toughest remaining schedule in the league
Also, the Warriors were killed with injuries that year. Baron was out for three weeks, Jason Richardson was out for 2 months, a lot of our bench players would consistently miss games, Dajuan Wagner wasn’t healthy enough to play, Ike Diogu was out for a month etc; we weren’t really all that deep most of the season, and we played with Dunleavy and Murphy for a lot of those games. Don’t even act like the Warriors were at full strength that WHOLE season and only barely made the playoffs when they were at their best the whole time. The truth is that the team was held back until they traded with Indiana and got healthy. Way to fabricate shit to make it seem like the 06-07 Warriors weren’t really a legit playoff team and that they were only capable of winning 40-45 games.
Also, in the season after they made the playoffs, the Warriors won 48 games. 48 games would easily land a team in the 6th or 7th seed in the typical NBA season. Remember, the Warriors started off the season with a 6 game losing streak but then all of a sudden won 7 games in a row along with 11 of the next 13 games after that 0-6 start. For nearly the whole season, if you counted team’s records after Golden State’s 0-6 start, you would have noticed that the Warriors had the BEST RECORD in the WESTERN CONFERENCE for a majority of the season since their bad start. But of course, not that many people noticed that since the West was so competitive last season; that’s how much of a difference that 0-6 start made.
Basically, the Warriors weren’t even bad that season. They just had a bad start. The Cavaliers would have been the 10th seed in the Western Conference that season but I never heard anyone saying they were mediocre.
And what’s the deal about disliking a team that’s just “sniffing” the playoffs. The Warriors just started becoming better, and now all of a sudden you’re expecting them to be an elite team? You get better step by step, you don’t break a 12 year playoff drought and then all of a sudden become an elite team. jeez. You should have been happy that we were even a legit contender to make the playoffs, it sure as hell is better than being one of the worse teams in the league.
What makes the We Believe Warriors (seem) so great was the long line of crap it preceded and this year’s crap that followed. Compared to the league they still are mediocre, or at best, just above that.
Oh okay, so just because we got outrebounded by the Utah Jazz in the 2007 Western Conference Semifinals, people start to think that the Warriors really sucked and weren’t all that great. Hmm, maybe if Mullin actually gave a damn about building onto that 2007 playoff team (instead of subtracting), they would be much much better. That’s what you call progress, when you build off of experience and make the team better by fixing their weaknesses. But, instead of fixing our rebounding problems, Mullin trades away a key player (J-Rich), and then gets rid of Baron. Umm, not only do we still suck at rebounding, but now we suck even more overall.
All this leads to the Warriors not being good, leading to people calling that 2007 team “mediocre” when the fact is that the We Believe Warriors were never given a damn chance to play a full season together after the heart that they played with in the Playoffs. All we got to see was them being 16-5 in the regular season, being eliminated in the 2nd round, and then getting broken up. What kind of stupid franchise breaks up a team so fast? Oh yeah, the Warriors. And the crazy thing is that people are actually CONTENT with sucking again.
by Precise Films Productions on Feb 9, 2009 9:17 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Okay first of all, the Warriors that we saw in the 2007 NBA Playoffs only played 21 GAMES together in the regular season. Those 21 games were in the end of the season, when they finally became healthy. The Dubs began those games at about 7 or 9 games below .500; The Warriors also had the toughest remaining schedule in the league.
True, true.
Also, the Warriors were killed with injuries that year. Baron was out for three weeks,
Nothing remotely unusual for BD, who has had a glass jaw and poorish conditioning habits his whole career — before, during and after that season. Precisely the reason it was very risky to sign him to a pricy long-term deal for his early decline years.
Jason Richardson was out for 2 months,
Again, not that unusual for him, though his has been slightly more durable, and better conditioned, than BD (though not as dominant a player when healthy).
Dajuan Wagner wasn’t healthy enough to play
LOL.
Don’t even act like the Warriors were at full strength that WHOLE season and only barely made the playoffs when they were at their best the whole time.
He didn’t.
Way to fabricate shit to make it seem like the 06-07 Warriors weren’t really a legit playoff team and that they were only capable of winning 40-45 games.
Way to put words in people’s mouths and drop cuss words at the same time.
Also, in the season after they made the playoffs, the Warriors won 48 games. 48 games would easily land a team in the 6th or 7th seed in the typical NBA season.
Agreed, but wait: now we’re on ‘07/08? I thought the issue was breaking up the “We Believe” team, no? Now you’re saying your issue is … what? Not re-signing BD — a very talented PG approaching his decline years and prone to breaking down, sulking, and underperforming — to a pricy long-term deal? Signing Maggette? Trading for Crawford? I mean obviously there are a lot of legit specific moves to be critical of, but I’m not sure you even know what you’re whining about anymore, other the fact that someone said something mean about your team. Basically, you come off as, angry, homerish, and confused about what your specific issue is.
Remember, the Warriors started off the season with a 6 game losing streak but then all of a sudden won 7 games in a row along with 11 of the next 13 games after that 0-6 start.
So if you count only the games they won and not the ones they lost, they were really, really good? Well done.
you would have noticed that the Warriors had the BEST RECORD in the WESTERN CONFERENCE for a majority of the season since their bad start.
Sure, during the 11-2 run you mentioned. Lots of teams go on streaks. Most of the rest of the season they weren’t close to the best team in the West, ALL CAPS be damned. They were slightly better than the 06/07 team, tho: I’ll grant you that.
But of course, not that many people noticed that since the West was so competitive last season; that’s how much of a difference that 0-6 start made.
A lot of people noticed, and gave credit where it was due. A lot of people (on this site) also dissed the team constantly, all season, for having traded JRich the season before.
Basically, the Warriors weren’t even bad that season. They just had a bad start.
Agreed. And the diarist never said anything different. Can you say straw man?
The Cavaliers would have been the 10th seed in the Western Conference that season but I never heard anyone saying they were mediocre.
The Cavs have LeBron James, a better player than the Ws have ever had (sorry, Barry). And still, for much of last season, till they gave Boston all they could handle in the playoffs, plenty of people could have fairly called them mediocre, or slighly above mediocre. I guess it depends on your definition of mediocre. IIRC, the diarist left room for the Ws to be “a notch above mediocre,” no?
And what’s the deal about disliking a team that’s just "sniffing" the playoffs.
Obviously he doesn’t dislike them, else he wouldn’t be posting here. Another straw man.
The Warriors just started becoming better, and now all of a sudden you’re expecting them to be an elite team?
Straw man # … sheesh, I’ve lost track.
You get better step by step, you don’t break a 12 year playoff drought and then all of a sudden become an elite team. jeez.
True… sometimes. Some elite teams were built the way you prescribe it … others were basically built overnight, by selling the farm for a Big Star (Celtics with KG, or the Lakers with Shaq, e.g.), or by lucking into a stud in the draft (SA with Duncan, e.g.)
You should have been happy that we were even a legit contender to make the playoffs, it sure as hell is better than being one of the worse teams in the league.
Agreed.
Oh okay, so just because we got outrebounded by the Utah Jazz in the 2007 Western Conference Semifinals, people start to think that the Warriors really sucked and weren’t all that great.
Big difference between sucking and not being all that great. He suggests, correctly, that the ‘06-’08 Ws were the latter. And we didn’t just get “outrebounded” by the Jazz. We also got beaten by them. In five games. And the Jazz weren’t (and aren’t) an elite team themselves.
Hmm, maybe if Mullin actually gave a damn about building onto that 2007 playoff team (instead of subtracting), they would be much much better.
So that’s your point, after all this handwringing and gnashing of teeth? That actually, secretly wants the team get worse? And where exactly does Nelson fit in this conspiracy?
But, instead of fixing our rebounding problems, Mullin trades away a key player (J-Rich), and then gets rid of Baron. Umm, not only do we still suck at rebounding, but now we suck even more overall.
IMO, the JRich trade was a legit attempt to get a bit bigger and financially flexible enough to sign Monta and AB, while retaining the straw that stirred the drink in BD. Whether it succeeded has been debated ad nauseam on this site, though you yourself seem to admit that it succeeded fairly well the next season. The BD-for-Maggette swap was much more questionable, though looking at BD’s performance thus far, it’s hard to regret it too much.
…And the crazy thing is that people are actually CONTENT with sucking again.
As crazy as you actually believing such a thing?
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 9, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
+1
I never said I disliked the We Believe team. In fact, I replied to another poster above that “I would gladly embrace that team back in a heartbeat just for entertainment value alone.” I seriously missed like 2 or 3 games last season and watched every full minute of each game. This year, I usually have the game on when I’m at home but I tend to end up doing other things and never really pay attention until the last quarter or so. So as a basketball fan, I would no doubt prefer watching last year’s team.
It’s funny how Precise Films Productions is forcing to read between the lines when everything I said was as direct as I can put it.
And I’m sorry but just because the Warriors are struggling to stay healthy doesn’t mean they’re a great team if they are. Houston’s Yao and Tmac plays about half a season yet the Rockets are playoff regulars.
"Struggling to stay healthy"
It’s also curious how PFP extends the 06/07 team so much slack for their health struggles while doing nothing of the sort for the current team, who toiled without their best player for half the season (and are still without anything close to the 100% version we knew and loved last year), and have endured semi-serious to injuries to Maggs, Wright, Biedrins , and Belinelli (right when he was starting to play pretty well).
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 10, 2009 5:09 AM PST up reply actions
LOL.
Nothing remotely unusual for BD, who has had a glass jaw and poorish conditioning habits his whole career — before, during and after that season. Precisely the reason it was very risky to sign him to a pricy long-term deal for his early decline years.
True, but i’ve always felt that he can stay healthy when he has a lot of guys around him to take pressure off of him. Baron played so many minutes in the first half of the 06-07 season and had a ton of pressure on him cause his other teammates weren’t getting active. I wasn’t surprised when he played a full 82 games the next season when he had Jack, Harrington, Monta, Biedrins etc. being able to contribute.
Again, not that unusual for him, though his has been slightly more durable, and better conditioned, than BD (though not as dominant a player when healthy).
So you weren’t surprised that he went out with a freak hand injury? Mickael Pietrus kicked Jason’s hand as Mickael jumped in the air to go for a rebound.
LOL.
Yes, funny and sad at the same time that he couldn’t play for us. I really had high hopes for him though.
He didn’t.
lol yes he was. He’s basically just labeling the 06-07 Warriors a team that barely missed the playoffs and talking as if the Warriors were at full strength the whole season.
Way to put words in people’s mouths and drop cuss words at the same time.
How’d I put words in his mouth?
Agreed, but wait: now we’re on ‘07/08? I thought the issue was breaking up the "We Believe" team, no? Now you’re saying your issue is … what? Not re-signing BD — a very talented PG approaching his decline years and prone to breaking down, sulking, and underperforming — to a pricy long-term deal? Signing Maggette? Trading for Crawford? I mean obviously there are a lot of legit specific moves to be critical of, but I’m not sure you even know what you’re whining about anymore, other the fact that someone said something mean about your team. Basically, you come off as, angry, homerish, and confused about what your specific issue is.
WTF, are you BLIND? Seriously, where do you come up with this when you get at me? The OP clearly stated how the Warriors sniffed the playoffs last season and the year before that season, so what’s wrong with me adding my opinion about last year’s team in response to his statement?
So if you count only the games they won and not the ones they lost, they were really, really good? Well done.
yep. thanks.
Sure, during the 11-2 run you mentioned. Lots of teams go on streaks. Most of the rest of the season they weren’t close to the best team in the West, ALL CAPS be damned. They were slightly better than the 06/07 team, tho: I’ll grant you that.
Nope, record shows that the Warriors and Celtics had the best records in the league for a majority of the season since the first 6 games of the season. The Warriors haven’t lost back to back games most of the year till they ran out of gas in the last month.
A lot of people noticed, and gave credit where it was due. A lot of people (on this site) also dissed the team constantly, all season, for having traded JRich the season before.
oh okay.
The Cavs have LeBron James, a better player than the Ws have ever had (sorry, Barry). And still, for much of last season, till they gave Boston all they could handle in the playoffs, plenty of people could have fairly called them mediocre, or slighly above mediocre. I guess it depends on your definition of mediocre. IIRC, the diarist left room for the Ws to be "a notch above mediocre," no?
oh okay.
Obviously he doesn’t dislike them, else he wouldn’t be posting here. Another straw man.
lol, that sentence was to lead to my statement about that. read my statement after i wrote that sentence.
Straw man # … sheesh, I’ve lost track.
zomg me too!
True… sometimes. Some elite teams were built the way you prescribe it … others were basically built overnight, by selling the farm for a Big Star (Celtics with KG, or the Lakers with Shaq, e.g.), or by lucking into a stud in the draft (SA with Duncan, e.g.)
Agreed
Agreed.
yay =]
Big difference between sucking and not being all that great. He suggests, correctly, that the ‘06-’08 Ws were the latter. And we didn’t just get "outrebounded" by the Jazz. We also got beaten by them. In five games. And the Jazz weren’t (and aren’t) an elite team themselves.
Meh, we got outrebounded by 19.6 boards a game. The guards did what they could do. Baron easily outperformed Deron in that series, it’s just that we can’t expect those players to grab that many rebounds.
So that’s your point, after all this handwringing and gnashing of teeth? That actually, secretly wants the team get worse? And where exactly does Nelson fit in this conspiracy?
Nope, that’s just one statement out of all my other ones. It’s not a conspiracy, Mullin traded away players to save money to invest in Monta and Biedrins, we all know that.
IMO, the JRich trade was a legit attempt to get a bit bigger and financially flexible enough to sign Monta and AB, while retaining the straw that stirred the drink in BD. Whether it succeeded has been debated ad nauseam on this site, though you yourself seem to admit that it succeeded fairly well the next season. The BD-for-Maggette swap was much more questionable, though looking at BD’s performance thus far, it’s hard to regret it too much.
I was expecting the Warriors to get some type of inside presence with that TPE but they ended up wasting it. Oh well. They did get better, but not in the way that I expected them to. I already expected the Warriors to have a better record than the 06-07 team simply because Baron gets to play a full season with the new guys.
As crazy as you actually believing such a thing?
That’s because it’s true. There’s Warriors fans that are actually content with where the team stands right now, and have no problem with what happened with the We Believe team. Hence statements like, “The We Believe Warriors were just mediocre anyways”.
Anyways, I have to go to school now. I had to rush this post and didn’t get to point out all my opinions in this response and didn’t get to clarify a lot of my statements, but i’ll have time later on tonight. Ttyl. lol.
by Precise Films Productions on Feb 10, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
He’s basically just labeling the 06-07 Warriors a team that barely missed the playoffs and talking as if the Warriors were at full strength the whole season.
What gives you that idea?
1. I’m saying those two teams were not very close to being championship contenders as some make them out to be. Sure we may be one good piece away from being one but that piece is not gonna fall out of the sky. A lot of teams in the NBA are one piece away from changing their fate. Saying they are a notch above mediocre is not a label. It’s true depending on how you define the criteria. And the criteria is based on a season by season basis. The 48-win team last season is above most of the league, but is still not good enough to its real competition in the West. If you’re gonna make all kind of excuses for the Warriors, I have one going the other way — last year’s Eastern Conference was pathetic. I don’t know what the reason was, but their record shows the kind of season they had. If the topic is whether that team could do better this year, I would love to see them try. But that’s not the point here. It’s not what could be, it’s what was. And the fact remains that last year’s team was not good enough to win the playoffs. Period.
And about the 06-07 team… they were good enough to upset the 1st seeded Mavs. But as much as it is a wonderful feat (And it is! I been scouring the net to find that series and watch it again) don’t forget that you’re talking about a team Don Nelson knew inside out which showed on how helpless Dirk Nowitzki looked and why Mark Cuban was crying about Nellie using some top secret info to beat his Mavs. Avery made the big mistake of biting Nellie’s small ball bait and don’t forget that is still took 6 games to knock them out. They looked outmatched the whole series but they still won 2 games. Again, it’s a great feat to achieve but every single one of us here giggled when we found out our first round date was with the Mavs. We were the perfect weapon against them that year. The next year Dallas owned the series 2-1.
If “just above mediocre” is too much for you, then I’ll go as far as saying those two teams were good. They were. ALOT better than anything else the Warriors have produced over the last decade or so. But that doesn’t hide the fact there were still a big gap between them and most contenders (or even the second tiers).
2. You accuse me of talking as if the Warriors were at full strength the whole season as if there is such a thing. No NBA team goes through a whole season at full strength. San Antonio often coast around the season, even Miami did after winning the title, and turn it on when it matters. The Lakers lost Bynum and still went all the way to the finals. The fact that our team plays like garbage simply when Stephen Jackson or Baron Davis miss a few games is more of a testament to how the team was built than saying if we’re only healthy we could be better.
by lightz0ut on Feb 10, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, record shows that the Warriors and Celtics had the best records in the league for a majority of the season since the first 6 games of the season. The Warriors haven’t lost back to back games most of the year till they ran out of gas in the last month.
Umm… You’re still completely ignoring a good 20% of the season. I bet you could find some bad streak for every single playoff team that you could ignore and say “They were the best team for most of the season”… it just happened that we had our bad streaks at the beginning and the end of the season.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 11, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
not like anyone else on his team had good stats...iits a team game...especially for the PG...and without a team he fits on hes obv not gunna have good stats
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Baron's current contract
makes it impossible for him to return to the bay. Likewise, his relationship with the ownership is broken (their fault, not his) and his relationship with Nellie is strained (mainly BD’s fault as a result of his giving up at the very end of last year). While I certainly think he and Nellie could patch things up very easily given how well they compliment each other, the contract and money issues and our stupid management/ownership mean he is gone forever. As painful as it is to admit, it is probably for the best at this point. Re-signing BD would only have made sense if the Warriors had been willing to mortgage everything for a playoff run sometime this year or next year. They would have needed to resign Baron (to the guaranteed three-year deal Mullin apparently offered), not extend Jack (though keep him on the roster for this season), dump Harrington’s contract in the offseason, sign only one of Monta or Beans to a long-term deal and keep the other one in limbo, and pick up another big piece in the offseason. I have always thought Ron Artest would have been the perfect piece. A starting lineup of BD, Monta, Jack, Artest, and Beans would be one of the most feared teams in the league. But when you look at it, you realize there would be no one else. Buike could not have been re-signed and Turiaf couldn’t have been picked up. Our second five would be CJ, Belli, BWright, Morrow, and Randolph (assuming our other offseason moves were the same). Barring injuries, that team could have gone a long way in the playoffs, but after next year the whole house of cards would come tumbling down.
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Down on Magette's bench role?
What’s with the comment that we didnt pay Magette to come off the bench? His number are good for a starter or bench player! Who cares if he comes into the game at the 5 minute mark instead of at the jump? Especially when Nellie will let an impact player play until teh positive impact is gone.
That point doesnt make any sense to me at all.
We didn't draft Randolph..
to get so little amount of minutes, and Nellie said beginning of the year that he’ll play the young fellas more.
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Maggette is doing fine
Regardless of how much the Warriors are paying him we finally got a guy we can trust to come off the bench and get 20 for us each night. As far as getting Baron back just let him go.I love Baron but ya’ll gotta stop living in the past.
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