Golden State Of Mind: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Around SBN: SEC Basketball at the Half

Props to Jamal....... and (sorry guys) more Monta stuff.......

I don't know about you guys, but the way Jamal Crawford conducts himself and acts speaks truly of his character.  Let's face it, the Warriors organization hasn't really treated this guy very well since he has been here.  He probably feels underappreciated (which may too some extent may be justified), and if talks about Nelson and him are true, he should be very upset and fed up by now.  Yet, Jamal goes out, and tries to do what is asked of him.  He makes no excuses, and honestly just plays.  Think about how upset you'd be if your head coach comes up to you and asks you to opt out or you'll be traded.  I'd bolt the team right away.  This doesn't even matter about his actual performance (which I don't even think is that bad) and I don't want to hear comments saying "we don't need a nice guy, but we need someone that can play."  Well first off, this guy can play, but I think Neliie is preventing Crawford of playing to his full capabilities.  Let's not forget how well the Knicks were doing the first few weeks under the D'Antoni system and Crawford was averging 20+ points shooting a great percentage.  Second, as far as the attitude goes, that is very important and this will lead me into the next topic of discussion, Monta Ellis.

 

Monta Ellis just seems completely disinterested in the team.  I posted a few weeks ago how he left the game early because from what it looked like he was upset that he got taken out of the game.  Now, the next day we learned that his ankle was still hurting him so I lt it slide.  But once reports came out that he admitted that he wasn't hurt at all, I thought back to that Oklahoma City game at home where he showed absolutely no interest in the team.  Monta Ellis has been doing this for some time, as I have been to many games lately.  When the Warriors go on a huge run, everyone on the team will get up and give high fives, but one guy is always sitting on the bench, Monta Ellis.  Now, I love this guy and I don't know what's going on in his personal life but if this is the attitude that Monta is going to have (unless there is something going on with his mother, etc.) then I don't want him on the team.  Plain and simple.  I dont' know if his ego went up or what, but he is definitely not the same Monta Ellis from last season for whatever reason.

 

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

2 recs  |  Comment 129 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

mm

well what does Jamal have to complain about?

he pretty much get a greenlight to do whatever he wants.

by saintdee on Mar 12, 2009 12:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

saintdee are you serious or just taking the p!@#

Crawford is being messed around every freakin game. The guy is pure quality IMO, he behaviour on court, off court, to the media, is sheer quality. There are a few other tan Andris andTuriaf thatcould learn a lot from Crawford and how he presents himself. Sheer class.

There is no doubt, that Crawford has the handles to be the proper PG that the Warriors should play through. He setsup plays, DESTROYS men marking him and makes some pretty sweet passes, round that off with an ability to score 50 points when conditions are right……

THAT is a player I really want us to keep.

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Mar 13, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford is one of the definitions of class

Where as of late, Monta is the definition of immaturity. As you can probably see by the posts on this site lately, people probably act like Monta or Crawford, depending on which one you like better. I’ve seen few, I repeat, very few people with maturity here who would prefer Monta.

by Golden Boy on Mar 13, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

regardless of whether one sees Craw as handling his situation with more class than Monta has handled his, we must keep in mind their ages, their abilities, and their contracts to evaluate them in the context of the whole team … Monta is younger, has some growing up to do but also still has some unfulfilled potential despite how great he’s played last season, and with a longer and better contract than Crawford. Nonetheless, one other variable I haven’t seen in your posts GB (and it may just be that I missed it) is that despite his injury Monta may be more trade-able than Crawford – which is not to suggest I prefer that route. The combination of age, talent, and contract makes Monta the more attractive player. We are likely to still have both next season: Monta is too valuable to move, and Crawford too expensive to find any takers nor should we expect him to opt out. We’d be foolish to let Monta go when we’d likely only have Crawford for one more season while we have Ellis locked up for several years.

We’re more likely to move Maggette than Crawford, both coming off the bench could be a problem as both need the ball in their hands to produce, and the loss would be Marco & KAz’s to some extent. Sadly, our FO has backed itself into a corner where the best we can realistically hope for is unloading the “least-worst contract” (Maggette) for a pick in a poor draft class, or a marginal player + 2nd rounder, just to clear salary. If we do move Maggette and Crawford plays out next season and is not re-signed, then by the time Nelson rides off into the sunset we’ll also have a greater degree of roster & salary cap flexibility than we have now.

by hardcore on Mar 15, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Maggette's going anywhere

I also know for a fact Monta’s not going anywhere. It’s just my opinion to keep Crawford. I’d honestly like to have them both if I wouldn’t have to worry about Ellis being a distraction/cancer. I just don’t think anyone else on our team has the handles to play pg in Nelly’s system.

by Golden Boy on Mar 15, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

crawford has the potential to put up 50...pretty amazing really, not many players have that POTENTIAL

but as we’ve seen thoughout his career he has even better potential of going 4-16…he has a lot more of those games. how can you overlook this so easily?

"so much losers" - hiero

by montamazing on Mar 13, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody can put up 50

You just gotta take enough shots

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 13, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he complains more than you think...

He doesn’t like the fact that Maggette doesn’t pass the ball. Nelson also wants Crawford to opt out for 2010

by Richboievans on Mar 13, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully he’s just having a rough year (Monta). Hopefully once management gets their head on straight and the whole “right to void at any time” gets settled, Monta will be all laughs and giggles like he was before.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Mar 12, 2009 1:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully once management gets their head on straight...

Sadly, that will NEVER happen, only way that it will happen is if we get new owners and a new front office.

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Mar 12, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well the video cameras showed a close up of monta stretching his ankle

so i think we know who was telling the truth in that matter.

secondly, i love jamal and he’s been a great guy. i think it’s important we dump money, and he’s the easiest way for us to do it. but i would still like him around if we could keep him.

by HoLdEmUP on Mar 12, 2009 2:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

just stop

everyone is ignoring your Monta Crusade

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Mar 12, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let Crawfish opt out and play this lineup next year:

PG: Monta
SG: Ammo
SF: Cap
PF: Randy
C: Driz

Maggs, Rony, Buike, BW, CJ/Belli/new backup PG

Four out of your starting five rebound their position very well, and you have two distribution points to feed a balanced scoring attack. The biggest issue then clearly becomes getting a backup PG, preferably one with some size and defensive prowess.

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Mar 12, 2009 7:12 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

+1 and a rec.

That lineup totally works for me … especially if that backup PG is Rubio, getting 20-25 minutes a night, with Monta spending about half his PT as the de facto SG. Realistic plan B is Ty Lawson. So long as it’s someone whose primary skill is handling and distributing the rock at a Nellieball pace, without turning it over 4-5 times a game. It would also help, as you say, if that someone played a little D, as both Rubio and Lawson seem to do (much more so than Craw in any case).

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 12, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we do somehow land Rubio(getting 2nd in the lottery)

I say we still look to move Monta, Maggette, BW, and Marco. Maybe not all those guys in one deal, but lets see what they are worth on the market.

Im not thrilled about having Rubio replacing Crawford and basically the same roster as this season.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Mar 12, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I say let's look to move everybody on our roster

If we can improve the team by trading our assets for better players, I’m all for it!

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 12, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we can improve the team by trading our assets for better players, I’m all for it!

Definetly. I am not advocating, lets blow the whole thing up just for blowing it up. But we have to look to move every player on our roster and if we can find a trade that would be beneficial in improving this team than we have to do it. To sit here and hope with 1 draft pick, our team will somehow morph into a playoff team, that can someday go deep into the playoffs, is irrational.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Mar 12, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never know

Our second rounder this year could be the Monta Ellis of power forwards… and our first rounder could be the Chris Paul of PGs… wait a second, Chris Paul is a PG… anyways. You know my opinion on the team. We’ll be in that 7-10 slot playoff contention next year with zero roster changes. I’d like to see us boost our line up, but it’s unlikely to happen.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 12, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio said in an interview that he's happy in Spain right now and he will not come to the NBA yet

and I think this is smart from him because he’s not ready yet and there will be too much pressure on him.

by buky on Mar 12, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope....Ellis does not have the handles for PG...sorry...but he doesnt...

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Mar 13, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he also didn't have the athletisism to play in the nba game..

 guess that’s why he fell off his moped? good thing he din’t want to be a motocross rider.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 13, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ammo = morrow?

if so i like the lineup!

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Mar 12, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn

it took me five minutes just to figure out the players in your starting line-up lol. Who calls Anthony Randolph Randy???

by Number22Drew on Mar 12, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

somone tryin to be too cool for school

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Mar 12, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just can't bring myself to call him Rudolph, and certainly not "The Mop"

although it is fitting

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Mar 12, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not “Candyman”?
Or “Fire in the Sky”?

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 12, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That lineup looks pretty good...

All 5 players, (Even Biedrins because he’s shown he can do it a little bit bfore) can handle the ball and you know Nellie loves that. We got 2 three point threats (Ammo/Jack) with Biedrins hanging out downlow to pluck some offensive boards/ putbacks or run some pick and rolls. We also got a very versatile 4 that is going to get better and better as his confidence grows. I agree that we need to pick up a point guard in the draft. A lot of people think we need another guy who can play the 4 spot and I don’t agree. That’s because we have AR and BW who will work out just fine at that spot. I think the way that these guys are built is perfect for a run and gun tempo. They’re tall, lengthy and fast. Plus they can handle the basketball (Ar does it better than BW obviously). So I definitely think we should pick up the best PG we can find in the draft expecially since it’s so loaded with PGs. Ty Lawson would be a very nice pick up IMO. Also, our bench looks good. There’s a whole lot of firepower waiting to come off and spark the team.

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 12, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup,

everyone was screaming about picking up Bosh / Amare when the trade deadline was coming. Everyone was claiming that all we needed was a ligit OF (myself included). Now that BW is FINALLY coming back and Rudolph has FINALLY blossomed, it seems like we’ve got plenty of talent at the PF spot. Not to mention both of these guys can only get better at ages 19 and 21.

LGW?

by FishStix on Mar 12, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

all we needed was a ligit OF

dang…it never crossed my mind that the Warriors were in need of a legit out fielder (OF)…hahaha just messin with you stix…i read your comment somewhere about your keyboard being messed up and you can’t type P or something…nah but real talk…I was an “AMAREtard” myself…I just didn’t wanna give up damn near our whole team to acquire him. I am very high on AR and BW and I have always expected great things to come from both of these guys but to land Amare, i’d pull the trigger on them quick. I’m glad to see AR developing and I can’t wait til Wright can come back and contribute. LGW! LGSW! (Let’s go stupid Warriors!)

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 12, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose I was an Amaretard too, I just didn’t expect AR to mature so quickly.

by FishStix on Mar 12, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LGSW?

Let’s go superstar Warriors?

by Shells on Mar 12, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that BW is FINALLY coming back and Rudolph has FINALLY blossomed, it seems like we’ve got plenty of talent at the PF spot.

Is that a joke? PLENTY of talent at the PF spot? You must be kidding right?

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 13, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AR and BW

are obviously not your traditional physical, big bodied, bang it down low power forwards. They’re more of tweener 4’s, especially Randolph. What each of these players lack in weight and strength, they make up for in quickness, length, ball handling and more finesse around the rim. I think there’s a lot of talent there, especially considering that they’re both extremely young and can get much better down the line. I’ve seen lots of good things from both of these guys (Obviously much more from AR recently because of BW injury) and I don’t even think we’ve touched the tip of the ice berg with either of them yet. I think it’s still too early to judge them. I wouldn’t write them off just yet, as a matter of fact, I don’t think I would write them off at all because I think they’re going to be very effective on this team because they’re perfect for the up tempo style that the Warriors play. Now that AR has gotten some run, he’s going to get more comfortable with the speed of the NBA level. As for Wright, he was doing lots of good things before he got injured and I hope he can come back healthy without any problems. It’s going to take some time but I’m confident that he will. However, even after all this being said, if there was a much better offer on the table that would benefit our team and it included having to trade one or the other, I’d still have to consider it. That goes for almost everyone on this squad. It’s just a given.

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 13, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying write them off, but I think its a bit premature to say we have plenty of talent at the 4…..it sounds like youre saying we have enough talent at at least 4 or the 5 spots-if that were the case this team would be a whole lot better injuries or not.

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 13, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

People often confuse potential talent with talent

This is because they’re optimists and they have a rooting interest.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 13, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s a fair point, but let’s not forget — these guys have actually played well. Wright’s been consistently productive whenever he’s gotten a shot, and Randolph, while horrible as a small forward, has been pretty good at the 4 and 5.

People do often confuse potential talent with talent, but projecting good things from Wright and Randolph isn’t 100% wishcasting. They’ve played well in their NBA careers thus far. That doesn’t necessarily mean we’re set at power forward, but it’d be a mistake to consider the position a gaping hole. The main problem with power forward this season has been Nellie’s frequent refusal to use one, not Wright and Randolph.

by onlxn on Mar 13, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but projecting good things from Wright and Randolph isn’t 100% wishcasting.

That’s just my point. It’s still projecting, which means that while they’re not viable NBA starters, it’s easy to see them trending to that level next year or the year afterwards. Look, I’m a fan of these guys too, but let’s not take the cake out of the oven before it’s done cooking, OK?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 13, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or more to the pint

See sig below

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 12, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point...

point. My keyboard sucks

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 12, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bigs handling the ball is good in the sense that it catches the defense totally off guard...

and gives us a better chance to attack when they’re least expecting it but I’d still like to see a true pg be the designated ball handler like the more traditional teams do. With Nelson’s offense, I think guys get confused because everyone shares the responsibility of bringing the ball up and our offense is never set so people don’t know when they’re gonna get the ball or if they’re gonna get the ball and that leads to the stupid turnovers that you see constantly from this squad. Did you see that back court violation ffrom last nights game where Jack had to jump over the half court line but he got whistled for the violation? plain stupid!

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 12, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monta did the same thing a couple games ago too. the warriors are the only team that I see do this.

they dribble and pass the the ball backwards over or near the halfcourt line all the time. Are they professionals or what?!

I just don’t get it.

by warriOs on Mar 12, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously!

come on now…why would you pass it backwards when you’ve just passed the half court line anyways. It makes me hella mad!

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 12, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know what else makes me mad...

when they are between the three point line and half court line and the big man tries to drop the ball off to the guard and they run into each other and turn the ball over. LOL! (not really)

by warriOs on Mar 12, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's why the W's are so entertaining to watch

then again, we don’t have a legit PG.

by Shells on Mar 12, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our pick will be too high to justify picking up Ty Lawson.

I like the guy too, but can we package our 1st rounder plus one (or two) of our 2’s or 3’s and trade up to get Rubio.

I also wouldn’t be opposed to Jennings if we kept our pick.

by warriOs on Mar 12, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's one of the good things about the draft...

is that it’s stocked with point guards but has no potential super stars.

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 12, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Rubio has the skills we need.

He can defend the perimeter and be the “floor general”, but jennings would be a good fit as well. He can make all the passes and penetrate the lane to suck in the defense, then kick the ball out to the open guard or cutting big man.

by warriOs on Mar 12, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I read someone comment about...

…Rubio in an interview saying that he liked it in Spain and that he wasn’t going to enter the draft next season because there would be too much pressure or something. I’m not sure of how true that comment was but that would suck because I think he’s going to be a terrific player in the NBA. I’d take him but realistically i don’t think we’re gonna be in the top 3..i’m hoping for 4 or 5. If for anyreason he drops to one of those spots, we gotta snatch him up with the quickness!

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 12, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our chances of being in the Top 3

Are probably better than our chances of being #4 or 5. Once again: 9.2%.

Just to remind folks: three of the bottom 14 teams in the NBA will hit the lottery this year. #7 ain’t a terrible spot to be. As Curt Schilling said about the Red Sox in 2004: “why not us?”

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 12, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we don't land in the top 2

i’d rather just stay where we are. Providing Rubio comes out. Either Griffen or Rubio, after that, everyone else has BIG question marks.

by warriOs on Mar 12, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

after that, everyone else has BIG question marks.

 Then that’s who we want! the Bigger the project the better, just make sure they don’t every try to play defense.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 12, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this, but replace

Ammo with KAz. Ammo doesn’t have the experience, KAz is a better defender. Both can hit 3s and rebound decently, KAz is more reliable. Morrow should be backing him up.

by FishStix on Mar 12, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point..

I think this conversation about picking morrow or buike or buike or morrow is like a transvestite, it can go both ways. Not to mention, with Nelson, anyone can start on any given night. I guess it all just depends on how he feels that night or how many glasses of scotch he was able to down before the game. haha

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 12, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's bi-sexual, man.

It’d be like a transvestite if they were both on the court together.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 12, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

yeah you’re right….i actually meant to put “I think this conversation about picking morrow or buike or buike or morrow is like a golden boy oops i meant transvestite, it can go both ways”……..haha that was for golden boy commenting on sleepy freud’s sexual orientation.

Uh oh….did i just stoop to golden biaaatch’s level?…ehh oh well….I don’t care, it’s fun anyways.

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 12, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Mar 12, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this conversation about picking morrow or buike or buike or morrow is like a transvestite, it can go both ways?

   Is that why this team is so erratic? 12 chameleons tryin to decide which shoes to wear?

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 12, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point taken

and I would have no problem letting them platoon a little bit depending on the matchup. I just think Ammo’s quick release makes him the better choice. I do love Buike’s toughness and desire to get to the rack. I envision him and Maggs as the super-subs.

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Mar 12, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ammo = morrow?

yea man, cuz he’s locked and loaded

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Mar 12, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Post

That’s why I admire the hell outta Crawford. You know if Monta were in his situation, he’d throw a tantrum on the team.

by Golden Boy on Mar 12, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

why

should crawford be unhappy?

He’s getting paid either way.

by saintdee on Mar 12, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Getting paid a lot

by Number22Drew on Mar 12, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

but he has the voiding of a contract hanging over his head right now. What thread does Crawford have hanging over his head?

by saintdee on Mar 12, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing

Because he was smart enough to not get involoved in any situation remotely close to that.

by Golden Boy on Mar 12, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 exactly... Crawford has a little more class

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Mar 13, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Jamal cares about money

I think he’s rich enough. If Jack was treated the same way, would he be happy? Certainly not. There was a article about when he injured his left wrist/hand (I think) and Nellie told him to let it heal. It was said he didn’t continue practice and left. Good Jack did let the injured heal before he resume his game.

Shall I take it that no one ever told you off? You have never had a single day in your work life that you didn’t considered a bad day? In times where that feeling still lingers?

It takes a bigger person to see the bigger picture. Jamal is good at that. At least he’s mature to not let it get in the way of his game. It appears that he still tries to produce. That is something to applaud him for. (if not, one should compare him to Al Harrington)

by Shells on Mar 12, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

everybody cares about money.

No, Everybody loves Money.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 12, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to be too harsh.....

But your smoking firkin crack! Crawford has class that Harrington will never understand. He is a truly professional athlete and acts accordingly. Harrington…..not so much.

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Mar 13, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Straight!

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 12, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

These people too

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 13, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahahahahaahahahahaha...

HAHAHAAHAHAHHAHHAAAHAHA!!!!

I KICKED IT WITH JESUS ONCE.. HE'S KIND OF A PRICK

by DMJR on Mar 13, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not thrilled about having Rubio replacing Crawford and basically the same roster as this season.

First of all, we aren’t getting the second pick. And that’s OK.

Second of all, calling that “basically the same lineup” is pretty misleading. I think last night was the first game ever that Monta and Randolph both played, and played well, on the floor at the same time. Moreover, both of these guys are going to be much better next year than they are right now. AR because he will continue to develop and expand his game, Monta because he will continue to get his explosiveness and jumpshot back (which were really on display last night, btw). Finally, having a knock-down shooter like Ammo lurking around the perimeter should really open things up for the playmakers. While it’s true you basically know what you are getting with Cap’n, I think that he will be much better off when he has a full cast around him that he can trust. AB has more upside than people give him credit for (and even if he didn’t improve at all he would still be well above average for a center).

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Mar 12, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, except for this
First of all, we aren’t getting the second pick.

We’re roughly a 10% shot (9.2%) at #1 or 2, given our current record. Not likely, but not to be discounted totally (except as a “I don’t wanna get my hopes up only to have them dashed” type-deal). We’re talking roughly the chances of, say, Ray Allen missing a FT. Dream high, man!

And that’s OK.

Agreed. Lawson is a decent plan B. Either way, we gotta hope Craw opts out or can be dealt. Not to diss Craw — cool dude, tough guy, occasionally fun to watch, etc. But he just doesn’t make sense at $2/20M, on a team that already has Monta, Jack, Morrow, Buki, and Belinelli, plus a decent pick in a PG-rich draft.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 12, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

why are we still hearing “trade Maggette, trade Maggette???” Dude is balling. He will win 6th man next year fo sho.

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Mar 12, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would love for him to win it

But almost all categories, the NBA likes to have all their achievements go to players on winning teams.

by Golden Boy on Mar 12, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

because

its still an AWFUL contract. This offseason nobody would offer him anything close to 4/40 mil even if they had the cap room, and I think we will owe him a bit more than that. I dont think too many people have ever said he simply isnt a good player, but many of us arent getting so googly eyed over his recent 2 month stretch that we dont see the big picture. The guy is incredibly injury prone and isnt going to get any better and has only come close to earning his pay for less than half the time he’s been here……so why shouldn’t we still want to get rid of him?

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 13, 2009 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

-1

This recieved wisdom that he has an AWFUL contract is bogus. Awful contracts are those that lock up 10-12 mil per year to get the same production as a guy making half that much. Raef LaFrentz had an awful contract, Adonyl Foyle had an awful contract, and as much as I love him, BD now has an awful contract. Maggette is earning his money. Also, in the time since Maggs was signed, a few little things like the subprime mortgage crisis, the stock market collapse, and the destruction of trillions of dollars in equity have had at least a minor impact on the overall economy. To say that his contract is unjustified because he couldn’t get it now just ignores all that. Look at Gordon on the Bulls. He left $50 million on the table because he thought he could get more. It was a stupid move on his part, but if the economy had remained strong he very well may have made even more. Finally, even if you do buy into this AWFUL contract business, why would you accept what would necessarily end up being less than market value just to dump it?

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Mar 13, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggette is earning his money.

Like I said before he’s earned his money for 2 months…..the 3 months prior he didnt come close to earning it. Yes you can blame it on injuries and playing out of position a bit, but this season is a fairly accurate microcosm of his entire career: up and down play and significant time lost to injury. Thats not a guy that we should be paying 10-12 mil per on a long term deal as he crosses over onto the wrong side of 30, Its awful.

To say that his contract is unjustified because he couldn’t get it now just ignores all that.

Not really. Even if the economy were in the same state it was this time last year he wouldnt get that deal again. We were the only team willing to offer that ridiculous deal and now we know better.

Finally, even if you do buy into this AWFUL contract business, why would you accept what would necessarily end up being less than market value just to dump it?

ummm…..to dump it. If we could trade him off for a shorter deal would you really not be in favor of that? Say we couldve swapped him for LaFrentz at the deadline…you wouldve opposed that deal?

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 13, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sam according to your logic, there are about 5 players in the nba who are earning their money...

  I can count 4 on the warriors alone, Rony, CJ, Morrow,and Kellena.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 13, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Biedrins

I know you dont like him Skep, but I think most would agree thats pretty clear.

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 13, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

1. thats not true, there are plenty of guys who are. Like Skeptic said there are plenty who are on the Warriors’ roster
2. some guys arent earning their money but at least they have to potential to do so before their contracts are up. While Monta hasnt come close to earning his new contract yet its not unreasonable to think he may do so before it expires. Maggette is having something of a career year and he STILL isnt giving us great value for his contract. If he plays the way he has for the last two months for the entire remainder of his contract he’ll have been a good deal. Considering his history of injuries and sporadic play and his age thats not even close to a realistic expectation.

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 13, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

People just wanna be liked

Jamal is being a trooper because Nellie obviously doesn’t like his game. Yeah he’s getting paid, but he wants some love and respect.

Actually, I think Nellie is giving him respect by telling him upfront their intentions. it’s crap that the agent (obviously) leaked it.

Maybe it’s more Nellie 3 – level chess. Offer Jamal for a stud 4, a bit out of Jamal’s value. keep pushing him, then when the other team counters asking for Monta instead – blam, pull the trigger. who ever wants Jamal, probably needs Monta even more.

No more Maggette trade talk. the dude can close out a game!

Honestly, I think Jamal and Monta are not long for the W’s. Morrow is the future 2. He just needs to grow into an NBA game.

by joegiant on Mar 12, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Morrow

Yeah dude he definitely has a bright future in this league. To this day, from what I’ve seen, I’m surprised he wasn’t drafted.

by Golden Boy on Mar 12, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

morrow is going to be a really good spot up shooter

but I don’t think he’ll ever be good enough to be a legit starting 2. He’s just not good enough at driving to the basket, he’s too one dimensional (although that dimension is very good).

by Calamity on Mar 12, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

REC!

But don’t waste your breath. Those that understand your point already get it. Those that don’t are never going to listen to you.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 12, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely Foyle was a good guy

But he couldn’t play in Nelly’s system. Good guys/teammates that can play within a team’s structure never hurts to have.

by Golden Boy on Mar 12, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

jamal is fitting in well. our 21 wins are evidence of good team chemistry

by saintdee on Mar 12, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

And Jamal can pick up the wins all by himself, can’t he

by Golden Boy on Mar 12, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

your saying he fits into a team’s structure. I am asking you what evidence do you have of him fitting into the team’s structure?

by saintdee on Mar 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, this is totally my opinion

If you disagree, that’s fine. But He obviously likes to take 3s. As the seasons have proven, that’s a big part of the Warriors’ game. He’s a run and gun type of player. That’s what Nelly Ball is all about. In terms of ball handling, he’s a magician with the ball. Dude in all honesty, you’re making me say things that I’ve been saying in other posts. I’m honestly getting tired of that. But you guys can’t seem to accept the fact that my personal preference is having Crawford over Monta. And I don’t know what else to say. But don’t worry, I’m not the team GM.

by Golden Boy on Mar 12, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh. Crawford is a perfect fit in Nellie ball. Really?

Why doesn’t he show it then, by being a bit more efficient. Monta is going to be Monta again once next year rolls in. Monta is perfect for Nellie Ball (as he has already proved) and he is much more efficient.

Also, we shouldn’t be building for Nellie ball. It hasn’t won any championships for a reason – It doesn’t work. You build a team of good players, not nice players.

by ZaMzAm FiRe on Mar 12, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you guys can’t seem to accept the fact that my personal preference is having Crawford over Monta.

  I’d rather have Jamal too than look at Moped’s lying mug every game. Some things are more important than raw potential. Jamal’s a pro who has his head on straight and their game is similiar enough to tip the scales in Crawford’s favor.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 12, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jamal’s a pro who has his head on straight and their game is similiar enough to tip the scales in Crawford’s favor.

I think Jamal is definitely more mature, but Monta is only 22? 23? He will grow more as a person and a basketball player.

Too bad we have so many guards, i would like to keep him too, but for less money.

by warriOs on Mar 12, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same reason

that you can’t understand why I don’t like Monta.

by Golden Boy on Mar 14, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Nellie was holding Foyle back

He’s totally tearing it up in Orlando:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/adonal_foyle/index.html

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 12, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

is he even in Orlando now?

Thing A

by sam23 on Mar 13, 2009 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's on the Grizzlies

and P.O.B. is on the Raptors

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 13, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

did u see what his contract was like?

good guys with bloated contracts hurt as hell!

by farid on Mar 12, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

zorgon

where have you gone

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Mar 12, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I like Jamal and all as a basketball player and as a stand up guy but our situation would work out better if he were to opt out. He’s just getting paid way too much and we have way too many guards on this team so if he were to leave, we wouldn’t really have to do much to fill his void. However, the smart move for Crawford would not be to opt out given the state of the economy. I don’t know if other teams would be willing to pay him more than that. And You’re right though, the Warriors have shelled out a ton of cash to the “good guys”. Like the saying goes “personality goes a long way”. In warriors land, I guess personality lands you a fat contract too!

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 12, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

frisco

on the side note: is this guy on your picture holding a cork screw?

by farid on Mar 12, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha...

nah…he’s flippin a bird! to SB Nation for banning me for cursing when I see everyone and they mama’s mama’s out here cursin like crazy!

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 12, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe e is sad cuz of his mom

or hes just havin some personla probs at his house.lets stop talking about unhappiness unless its about our owners

by nateoak10 on Mar 12, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Crawford=Mature, very classy, but 29 yr old with much less potential and basically just a jumpshooter who is streaky with absolutely no defense.

Monta=Immature, but only 23 yr old and if he returns to form will be one of the most dynamic players in the league for the next 10+ years. Not to mention his ability to drive to the hoop and score at the rim is only second to Lebron James. This is MUCH more valuable than jump shooting.

by gobigg415 on Mar 13, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention his ability to drive to the hoop and score at the rim is only second to Lebron James.

I love Monta and all but whoa that’s a little bit much. What about Dwayne Wade? Kobe could get to the rim whenever he wants if he chooses to.

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 13, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention his ability to drive to the hoop and score at the rim is only second to Lebron James

I love Monta and all but whoa that’s a little bit much. What about Dwayne Wade? Kobe could get to the rim whenever he wants if he chooses to.

They can't stop me!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 13, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention his ability to drive to the hoop and score at the rim is only second to Lebron James

I love Monta and all but whoa that’s a little bit much. What about Dwayne Wade? Kobe could get to the rim whenever he wants if he chooses to.

by saintdee on Mar 14, 2009 4:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

"UNSTOPPABLE BABY!"

Golden State Warriors rookie Marc Jackson to the Mavericks' bench, after hitting a lay-up during a 29-point loss (2000)

Start posting about the Warriors »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
FANS VS. COHAN 2.0 :: You Won't Want to Miss This <--------------
Small
Nelson and his record ...
Small
A Big Man That Could Help Us
Bimbo_quote_small
Giant Public Relations Monster Devours Gilbert Arenas

Recent FanPosts

Sonic_rip_small
ESPN's Hollinger calls Ellis Overrated
Ramiele_small
Better chance at Wall or new coach?
Sp_baron_edited_small
Contest: What will Monta's Points Scored & Shooting % be tonight?
Small
Waiving Claxton Might Be a Good Sign
Small
Trade Idea with Wizards
Images_small
Warriors Should Go After Iguodala
Small
What if Nellie doesn't break the record this year?
Small
Josh Howard, anyone?

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Ads

SPONSORS

2009-2010 Around the Association

2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Preview

Golden State Warriors 2k9-2k10 Super Preview Blowout Special!


GSoM Crew -------------------------

Atma-160_small Atma Brother ONE

Gw090_small Fantasy Junkie

--------------------------------------------------------

Small Hash

Small dj fuzzylogic

--------------------------------------------------------

We_still_believe_small R Dizzle

Small Adam Lauridsen

West_coast_promo_fb_small Tony.psd

Japan_by_miaumi_small YaoButtaMing

Small jae

Small IQofaWarrior

Drmlg_logo-gmail_small Poor Man's Commish

Nellie2_small Feltbot