Anyone else bothered by that win?
On any other day, in any other season, I would have savored Wednesday night's victory against the Nets.
But, as I was watching it, I just noticed alot of things that soured the experience. Things that I was looking forward to seeing, but didn't. And when the game was over and we had survived another 4th quarter collapse, I came away thinking that it's nice to win once in awhile.. but this was the definition of a meaningless victory. And, worse than that, we're headed in the wrong direction again.
- Don Nelson said he would rest the vets and give some experience to the young players for the rest of the season, so we have a better idea of what we have going into next season. Crawford played 46 minutes and Jackson played 45 minutes each. Belinelli, Morrow, and Randolph got just 30 minutes combined. Not too mention that he didn't bench any vets this time either.
- Don Nelson said he would start playing a bigger lineup (so we could defend and rebound for a change). He trotted his signature smallball lineup (4 guards and one "center") for more than 75% of the game. We couldn't defend for beans.
- Don Nelson made it known that Jamal Crawford wasn't in our future plans, because Monta is our feature guard, which suggests that we want Crawford to opt out. Giving Crawford 46 minutes, leaving him in at the end of the game (and benching Monta), and putting the game in his hands seems to send a different message. Why is Crawford, who isn't supposed to be here next year, taking the big shots? Why is Monta on the bench during crunchtime?
- I need to mention this again. The win was truly meaningless. And Nelson sacrificed many things just to get it. If we had played the young players regular minutes, experimented with Monta at the point during crunchtime, experimented with a traditional "non-small-ball" lineup, and not given 46 minutes to Crawford; and happened to get the win too, then I would not be so irked about it.
You know what it feels like? This feels exactly like the beginning of the season. We're taking steps backward. The only difference is the Nets are a horrible team and they gave us the game in the 4th quarter. Any average NBA team would have capitalized on our usual "4th quarter collapse due to Jackson's 40+ minutes tired legs", as the average NBA teams usually have this season.
Does this win just feel really wrong to anyone else?
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My thoughts
- Belinelli didn’t play. Morrow and AR themselves combined for 31 minutes, so if you were adding minutes in the box score, you may be referring to Buike, Morrow, and AR, who totalled 40 minutes. Buike wasn’t playing well after coming back from his back injury, so that’s why he only played 9 minutes. Morrow played 14 minutes, and I think he was on the floor for the entire 4th, so Morrow got some closer minutes, which Nellie usually doesn’t give to a rookie.
- Yes, Nellie didn’t rest any vets, and that’s one question I still have. Is he done with the rest-a-vet? Is he settling on tall ball once Wright gets back?
- I can only guess that Nellie is giving Crawford minutes to showcase his skills for another team that he might get more minutes on.
- Nellie says he didn’t bring back Monta in the 4th because that line up out there was doing well.
- It does feel like the beginning of the season, I agree. I think it’s because Nellie is easing into his tall ball line up he mentioned the day before. Nellie has mentioned that the switch to tall ball won’t happen all at once. It looks like last night’s game was seeing if Monta can handle the point.
I didn’t think the win was “really wrong” (unless you’re looking from a lottery perspective). I took a few positives from the game, mentioned my comments in the recap. I don’t think the Nets are a “horrible” team, more like mediocre. They were certainly kicking our butts in that 2nd qtr, where their bench was raining shots on us.
by IQofaWarrior on Mar 13, 2009 1:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why Belinelli didn’t get any PT in the first place.
Giving Crawford starter minutes to keep his PPG up is understandable. But giving him that kind of playing time is just.. unexplainable. We don’t need to help the guy out That much. Whether he gets 16ppg or 20ppg this season is kind of irrelevant, he’s a known commodity around the league and hasn’t really gained or lost a step in the last 5 years.
by YaHeard on Mar 13, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I wonder why Belinelli didn’t get any PT in the first place."
turf toe. or, “turf toe” because who knows whos telling the truth these days. either way he was in a suit last game.
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by TheWarrior on Mar 13, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YaHeard
I definitely felt the same way. Like, no lie.
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by KMC on Mar 13, 2009 1:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To me, it seems like he starts with tall ball but goes back to his old ways of playing small ball. I think he just has the starting lineup pretty tall just to satisfy us fans that have been asking for it, but by the 2nd quarter, it is back to ol Nellie and his small ball lineups.
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by JustSomeName on Mar 13, 2009 1:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whenever the Warriors are down in a game, you can literally see the gears begin to churn in Nellie’s head. You just know he’s thinking “Oh no, we need to score more points.. Maggette get in at PF quick! We need smallball to win!!!”
by YaHeard on Mar 13, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmm
maybe Rowell is asking Nelly to win some games so STH will renew.
Once they have their money we can continue tanking properly.
by saintdee on Mar 13, 2009 2:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta get wins where you can or the team will implode out of frustration.
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by Supafishal on Mar 13, 2009 7:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why are we even complaining about this win?
If we had lost on Wednesday, there would be a lot more complains, it would be non-stop. Maybe Nellie is doing this for the fans knowing that we’re all tired of the L’s.
A win is a win, let’s just be content with that for now.
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by girltothemax on Mar 13, 2009 7:16 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
at this stage in the season, it’s not really about the Win-Loss column anymore. It’s about doing the right things to prepare us for next season. If there is no change in Nelson’s philosophy, next season will end up being exactly like this season
by YaHeard on Mar 13, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was the right coach for this team.. before this season. He had his do-it-all point guard. He had no bench. And he had no bigs. Don Nelson, Baron Davis, and the benchless heightless Warriors were a match made in heaven and I can’t think of any way that roster could have done better than it did.
Nellie leaving Baron and Jackson out there for 40+ minutes a game? We had to, we had no backup PG and no bench in general.
Nellie putting Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson out there at power forward? We had to, Harrington and Biedrins were the only guys good enough to play “center”.
The problem is that Nelson’s still coaching as if he had last year’s roster. Chris Mullin gave him a bench. He gave him height. Don Nelson just doesn’t know what to do with it.
by YaHeard on Mar 13, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was the right coach for this team.. before this season.
Who would you choose for a coach this season that would put together a better season?
Chris Mullin gave him a bench. He gave him height.
It’s really more cycling than anything. The bench is certainly no deeper than last season. The hight is just different people of similar talents.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 13, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to get back into a debate over Nellie’s performance — suffice it to say I think many coaches could’ve gotten us more wins than Nellie so far — but on this point…
The bench is certainly no deeper than last season.
…I very much have to disagree.
The guys that got significant bench time last year: ‘Buike, Pietrus, Barnes, Wright, Croshere, Watson, Marco.
This year*: ’Buike, Turiaf, Watson, Wright, Randolph, Marco, Morrow.
(Note: I’m calling Maggette a starter, as he plays starter’s minutes. He’s not part of my argument.)
First, you have the holdovers: ‘Buike, Wright, Watson and Marco. The ’08-’09 versions are much better than the ‘07-’08 versions. Wright’s played well both years, but ‘Buike, Watson and Marco all improved significantly over the summer. ’Buike’s gone from a solid three-point shooter to an elite one; Watson’s made a similar jump in threes, and generally improved his scoring; Marco’s gone from “basically unplayable” to “serviceable backup”. You’d expect young guys to get better, and these four have. Big advantage for the ‘08-’09 bench.
Then you have the unique talents: Pietrus, Barnes and Croshere vs. Turiaf, Randolph and Morrow. You’d have a damn tough time convincing me that the ‘07-’08 trio is more valuable. “We Believe” was great, but Barnes was quite bad last year, and Pietrus wasn’t any better. Poor offense + middling rebounding + lots of fouls = not helping. Croshere actually had his uses as a veteran big in spot minutes, but I certainly wouldn’t trade any of this year’s guys for him. Yes, Randolph makes a lot of mistakes… yes, Turiaf and Morrow are limited players. They’re still better than those other three were last year.
YaHeard is absolutely right: the bench is significantly bigger and significantly better this year. A chunk of that advantage was eroded by injuries, for sure — we’ve needed many more spot starts from bench guys this year than last (though much of that is due to Maggette being a “bench” guy.) But it’s a deeper team this year.
by onlxn on Mar 14, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
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by Tony.psd on Mar 13, 2009 8:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Same.
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by goldenstatelove on Mar 14, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally don’t mind playing spoiler for wildcard teams. It makes things at least a little exciting.
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Mar 13, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else bothered by that win?
Yeah, It disgusts me to see the game the way that it looks
that nets collapse was just too ugly for any fan to enjoy
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 13, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure it's ass bad as you say...
Of course Monta won’t play the entire game, he just got back from 2 weeks off, he’s going to be a little out of shape. I’m fine with that.
Buike was playing horribly, why would he stay in the game?
In a way it may have been great for the game not to play CJ, as his lack of defense could have really cost us.
The only thing that ticks me off is that Marco got no PT. I would have been perfectly happy with the coaching job if Crawford got around 35 minutes and Marco got to play a little point when Crawford / Monta were out.
by FishStix on Mar 13, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Belinelli apparently has a lingering foot injury. He’s questionable for tonight’s game as well. He was held out due to the injury.
by jae on Mar 13, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bench crawford
itll come across as bad… but he’ll opt out and develop our team at same time
by tafkasam on Mar 13, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I can’t see why we just can’t bench the guy. Everyone around the league knows his situation right now. Benching him for 18 games is in no way going to lower his value for signing with other teams next season.
Or Nellie could just tell him to “pretend that he’s injured”?
by YaHeard on Mar 13, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
ultimately though, nellie cant turn off his mentality when he coaches.. as much as he knows he hsould play youth for next season, in flow of game he wants to win… and like it or not crawford is better than marco or morrow now
by tafkasam on Mar 13, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats y i agreed w/ his ‘dont suit them up’ policy…. it kept him from himself
by tafkasam on Mar 13, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then it's just the same situation as with Al Harrington
and then people are gonna be like “then what was the point of this blahblahblah.”
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by goldenstatelove on Mar 14, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marco play time
Difficult for marco to get pt in a dress suit
by warrior glitz on Mar 13, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with this post
If Nellie really wants to go big, I expect him to go with this lineup tonight
PG- Monta
SG- Jackson
SF- Randolph
PF- B Wright
C- Biedrins
even if this isn’t the starting lineup, this should be the lineup that plays the majority of the game. let Crawford come off the bench, if he’s not part of the future plan then cut down his minutes, we don’t need a win, we need to build chemistry !!
by Monta08 on Mar 13, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we'd be terrible on offense
no spacing whatsoever. Jack would be our best shooter lol
by tafkasam on Mar 13, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph at the three is every bit as disastrous as Maggette at the four. He doesn’t have the skills for the position.
For the next eighteen games, a Wright/Randolph power forward platoon makes all sort of sense. Let those two play their natural position for decent minutes every night and see what they can do. If history’s any indication, they should actually hold their own pretty decently, but even if they don’t, at least we’ll know that.
by onlxn on Mar 13, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need to play wright
up his trade value…. i dont see a future w/ randolph around
by tafkasam on Mar 13, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
buke should replace randolph
and randolph comes off the bench for b wright
by placid on Mar 13, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Wright comes of the bench for Randolph
don’t forget how well the 19 year old has been playing as of late…
by FishStix on Mar 13, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Complain about the loses, complain about the wins. There is just no pleasing some people.
by warriOs on Mar 13, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No I was ecstatic when Nelson benched the vets, meaningless wins be damned. I was even more ecstatic when Nelson said he’d stop playing small ball. Now all that’s been thrown out the window and all of a sudden it feels like January again.
by YaHeard on Mar 13, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m with ya, especially because I don’t think 46 minutes of Jamal Crawford helps us win even if that is the goal. For all of Nellie’s encouraging talk about going bigger and younger, he seems to have trouble doing it mid-game. Maybe that’s why he decided on the “bench a vet” strategy, so he couldn’t be tempted to overplay them.
I’m open to the idea that the team should win some home games right now for the sake of season tickets. But three quarters of small-ball and 46 minutes of Jamal Crawford not only hurts the future, it hurts the present. Nellie needs to coach better than this.
by onlxn on Mar 13, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well said
It’s kind of sad that Don Nelson can’t even stop Don Nelson from coaching like Don Nelson. He’s unstoppable, baby!
by YaHeard on Mar 13, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m open to the idea that the team should win some home games right now for the sake of season tickets
You think the fans are that stupid? They don’t know the draft system?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you give too much negative credit to Nellie
I totally agree that Rowell is telling him to win games at home. He is being pushed to play Jack adn anyone else who is playing well so we can win and try to pump up STH’s to come back next year. Regardless of the overall record, if the Warriors win a lot of games at home and play exciting ball the season ticket holders will always come back. Rowell has “Its a great time out” tattooed on his soul.
by warriorsvictim on Mar 13, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else bothered by that win?
ya, I’d hoped we’d be smart enough to bring on moral victories and improve our lottery chances through playing younger players more to “see what we have” (as if there’s really much doubt at this point) … Nelson wants that win-record, and if he can inch closer now he might not have to finish out next season to get it – that’s the only “logic” I can find in all this
by hardcore on Mar 13, 2009 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lets win the home games
and lose the road games while developing the rookies
for the fans
anyways randolph should get at least 25-30 minutes a game from now on
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by RunNdGun on Mar 13, 2009 6:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GSOM Mods, you can go ahead and delete this post.
Tonight was freakin awesome
by YaHeard on Mar 13, 2009 9:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i think
nelson played the best players possible to stick it to mark cuban haha
by GSD1 on Mar 14, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the draft
every meaningless win gets us further from a great draft pick this offseason. I know we don’t need another young player, but atleast we could use the pick as a trade option. I am all for tanking the rest of the season.
O and didnt randolph foul out.. im sure that cut his minutes back
by bgnumber5 on Mar 15, 2009 12:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

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