Suns feast on Warriors: 154 - 130 [Bright Side of the Sun]

The Warriors were absolutely embarrassed on national TV on Sunday night. Embarrassed.

Aren't you glad the Warriors shipped out J-Rich for pennies on the dollar, let his Boomness go to save some dough, and broke up We Believe for this embarrassment?

Chris Cohan, Robert Rowell, Chris Mullin, bandwagon Warriors fans, delusional Warriors fans- you're kidding yourselves if you believe this roster and the direction of this franchise is nothing short of an embarrassment.

Nice to see our friends in Phoenix enjoyed the embarrassment though!

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Now that we are mathematically eliminated...

I can root for Phoenix now to take that 8th spot. J-Rich was the postgame guest on the radio broadcast. That was awesome when he said his heart will always be in Golden State. Too bad for Barnes though. This will be his 3rd straight year that he’s on a team chasing the 8th spot.

by Golden Boy on Mar 16, 2009 12:44 AM PDT reply actions

yea

suns are my playoff team since the warriors are never in it.

i used to support them cause of nash but now i like them even more with nash and jrich.

by saintdee on Mar 16, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions

JRich should never have been traded.

Maybe it’s karma?

Kelenna is mine...;>

by girltothemax on Mar 16, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions

Maybe it’s karma?

I like that

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions

Maybe what is karma, GTTM?

Not being a smartass … I’m actually curious what you meant.

If you mean that karma caused last night’s loss, I would chalk that up more to Phoenix being a better team, sufficiently motivated by the 8th playoff seed to play 4-5 minutes of actual professional defense — the 4-5 minutes in the third quarter when we fell apart and they built their 20 point margin.

If you mean that karma has made teams getting rid of JRich worse and teams acquiring him better … I urge you to take a closer look at the records of his teams pre- and post-trade.

If you mean it was karma that caused Monta’s career-threatening injury, and made the Warriors suck for a year … Well, Skeptic can probably tell you what I think of a belief system that postulates that all bad things happen “for a reason.” Personally, I think it’s a really sad, low way of thinking. But if you really believe it, you should try it out someday on someone to whom something horrible has happened (lost job, loved one, terminal illness, etc.) and see how well it’s received… :-(

But yeah, I am curious what you meant. Not trying to be mean, I’m just not a big fan of vagueness.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 16, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Skeptic can probably tell you what I think of a belief system that postulates that all bad things happen "for a reason."

You create your own heaven and you own hell, that’s Karma. Do good and you feel good, do bad and you feel bad in the end. The Jrich dumping brought bad karma not because he was a quality player but because it was a low class thing to do to him after just telling him he would not be traded.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Your karma ran over my dogma!

Well, obviously I agree that doing good tends to make one feel good; and that bad deeds tend to engender more bad deeds. And I also agree that people underestimate the degree to which they “make their own heaven and hell.” But I still can’t fathom how one can look at the world and not see that karma/fate/chance doesn’t really care one way or the other.

On topic, I think it’s unfair to invoke karma in the JRich situation for a couple reasons: (1) because a lot of smart dudes and dudettes on this site disagree that it was a “bad deed” (it may have been a little unfair to JRich, but the GMs primary is to try to make his team as good as it can be); and (2) because even it was a bad deed, in a moral sense, it’s silly to think fate/karma/chance would care. If the Ws had traded managed to flip JRich for LeBron James instead of Brandan Wright, you think LeBron would have found himself strangely compelled to ride a moped?

Meanwhile, how does JRich tootling around at 55 mph over the speed limit with an his kid untethered in the backseat fit into the karma equation? Is that what caused the Suns’ recent losing streak? I think Mr. Karma really needs to post an online list of moving violations and their karmic consequences…

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by Sleepy Freud on Mar 16, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions

Skeptic said it better.^^^

JRich showed and still continues to show his allegiance to the Warriors and the fans.

His “heart will always be in Golden State.” Now that’s a Warrior.

Too bad the org. didn’t show the same loyalty to him. We traded him to what then was the suckiest team in the NBA, the Bobcats. We could have done better.

Karma is a biatch…and it always comes around.

Kelenna is mine...;>

by girltothemax on Mar 16, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions

So .... has bitchy Ms. Karma come around already?

And if so, how do we know?

And does she only come around once, or twice (like the postman) or every year down the chimney (like Santa Claus)? Or does she stalk you till you’re dead and buried, like the malevolent force in “Final Destination”….?

Inquiring minds need to know! ;-)

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by Sleepy Freud on Mar 16, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions

So .... has bitchy Ms. Karma come around already?

LOL At first sight, I thought you were talking about me…

I am no karma expert but as you can see I do believe in it…so let me just try and guess. Karma also means a distinctive feeling. I think karma does not do or finish it’s job until the person who is supposedly being karma-lized have realized that he or she had done someone wrong and starts regretting it. That feeling of knowing and remorse could be the start of the end of karma.

P.S. Why do you assume the karma is a she? Inquiring minds need to know! ;-)

Kelenna is mine...;>

by girltothemax on Mar 16, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Haha

Well, you’re the one who said “karma is a biatch”… Plus if it were a dude, wouldn’t it be kar-pa…?

I love “Karma-lized,” tho’. After the Kar-ma does her job, she should leave a note saying: “you’ve just been … karmalized!”

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 16, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions

"you’ve just been … karmalized!"

Yeah, that would sweeten it up. If Karma was a guy he’s be Karmo wouldn’t he?

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions

Phoenix won't sniff the playoffs.

There too far back of Dallas. They don’t defend nearly enough anyway and would be blown away by LA should they sneak in.

You are severely underrating our roster Atma. With a young core of Monta, Randolph, Biedrins, Wright, Morrow, Buike and Turiaf to go along with vets like Jack and Maggette the Warriors are in good shape for the next few years.

"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker

by houseofprime on Mar 16, 2009 1:24 AM PDT reply actions

That's not really a "core" as much as about our whole entire team.

And this team, even despite the injuries, has proven that they cannot win consistently enough to be a playoff team.

That isn’t to say that this team doesn’t have a future though, but our core in my opinion only needs to consist of Randolph, Jackson, Monta, and ‘maybe’ Beans. (Don’t come at me with your pitchforks because this is in no way a knock against Beans. While he’s a superb rebounder, he just isn’t the defensive presence that we need, and we could possibly get some nice value back if we were to maybe trade him.) Other than those four, we need to shake up our roster. We have too many guards, to many one-sided players. This is why our defense is so bad. Do the majority of our players have a lot of upside to them? Of course they do. But I don’t think people like Buike, Watson, Maggette, etc. are the type of players you want to build a franchise around.

And make no mistake about it, we are in hardcore rebuilding mode right now. Nelson and crew are testing the young guns to see who has the most potential to have a good future. Randolph has proven to me (and I’m sure many other people) that he’s the top rookie on this team, and is worth building around.

The bottom line is, something HAS to change this off season, or else we will be the “Unstoppable Baby” warriors of old. Atma is right. That performance against the Suns were an embarrasment to our entire organization, and is proof that things need to change if our team is going to get any better for the future.

by Torukine on Mar 16, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions

buke is solid off the bench. We definitely should keep him. he works hard hits hots

by saintdee on Mar 16, 2009 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions

There are so many people in this league that can do that though..

Buike is very solid, I agree, but if I would have to either take him, or a solid defender/true big man presence inside guy, I’d take the latter.

by Torukine on Mar 16, 2009 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions

Matt Steinmetz disagrees with 'low post presence need'

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/Steinmetz-Randolph-is-the-answer-for-Warriors-at-power-forward—41071082.html

by lowchi on Mar 16, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions

Matt said:

“Down the line, the Warriors very well may have to revisit bringing in a physical presence. But that’s down the line. Right now they have a four: Anthony Randolph.”

I’m not talking about right now, I’m talking about for the future. Randolph does fit this current team best as a power forward, but he’s not the type of big man that we need. He is the type of electric small forward that we need.

by Torukine on Mar 16, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions

Buike is very solid, I agree, but if I would have to either take him, or a solid defender/true big man presence inside guy, I’d take the latter.

Show me one “solid defender/true big man presence inside” that makes Kelenna’s salary (guys on rookie contracts don’t count). The only one close is Ronny.

I’m not the biggest Kelenna fan, but he’s certainly serviceable off the bench and worth the price.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 16, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions

The only one close is Ronny.

I like Kelenna, but I wouldnt be devastated if he was traded. He is a solid bench/role player, not sure if we can get a big better than Ronny for him, unless of course we are packaging him with BW, MB, and possibly CM and our first rounder…

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Mar 16, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions

Totally on board there, but we're not getting anything great for Kelenna, BWright, & Belinelli.

Salaries are too small and talent too thin. They’re all “good solid NBA bench guys” to the rest of the NBA, but their potential runway is at an end. If we’re top 3 after a lotto win, then we can talk, but I’d just keep the pick and the players. We’re not on the verge of competing, why not wait to see what talent comes out of what we’ve got?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 16, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions

Sure,

I’m ok with that if thats what ends up happening(same roster, sans Crawford, plus 1st round pick) But I hope that the Warriors are blowing up phones all summer seeing what EVERYONE on the roster is worth on the market. Hopefully we can find something that we can make a trade for, alleviating the 2/.3 log jam and picking between Wright and Randolph would be my top priorities.

Again, look to make a trade, but dont force if its not there.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Mar 16, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions

But I hope that the Warriors are blowing up phones all summer seeing what EVERYONE on the roster is worth on the market.

I hope that applies to all offseasons, not just this one.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 17, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions

lol

this team, even despite the injuries, has proven that they cannot win consistently enough to be a playoff team.

How do you figure? You can’t make ridiculous blanket statements and walk away. Proof plz

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Mar 16, 2009 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions

How do you figure?

Maybe he reads the win-loss record?

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions

sigh

define “this” team

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Mar 16, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions

define "this" team

the motley crew of the good ship Golden State?

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions

Well, I went under the assumption

that people reading what I said have actually watched a warrior game this season. It’s obvious we do not have the depth and right parts to contend with the playoff teams this year. If we did have the depth, we would have a lot more wins than we do now, even with all of these injuries. Could a fully health roster win more games than the Warriors have now? Definitely. But this is the power house western conference. You have to be GOOD to contend for a playoff spot. If we were in the eastern conference, then you may have a point. But we’re not.

by Torukine on Mar 16, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions

Sorry

I meant we don’t have the depth or right parts to CONSISTENTLY contend.

by Torukine on Mar 16, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Welcome to Atmaland

In Atmaland, JRich is better than LeBron, BWright is a worthless sack of beans, and Monta is beelzebub. Enjoy your stay!

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 16, 2009 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions

In Atmaland

it’s like being a democrat during the 8 years of Bush rule, you know things are falling apart but you can’t do anything about it. One day the tide will turn and Atmaland will be happy again.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions

I still agree

that Brandan Wright is a worthless sack of potatoes. But, at least you could eat the potato thou. lol

by warriorfan4life on Mar 17, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions

I know this isn't our recap, but I want to comment while this is fresh in my head.

Without Amare, the Suns were forced to play small ball, which forced a mismatch at the 4 spot. In the first qtr, BWright was covering Matt Barnes on defense. Matt Barnes would hang around at the 3 pt line, drawing BWright out farther than his usual spot. This made it hard for BWright because he’s not quick enough to cover both Barnes’ 3 pt shot and to help double team Shaq. So I think this forced Nellie to play smaller. Ironically, this is the very same tactic that Nellie normaly uses against bigger teams. Tonight, Nellie was on the receiving end of it.

At the same time, without Biedrins, we were short on the 5 spot, so we had no real answer for Shaq. But even when Shaq was out, our small ball lineup, which we’re trying to build away from, was simply no match for their relentless attack. The Suns were hungrier, more aggressive, and several steps ahead of our guys.

This was most evident in the 3rd qtr when we were tied at 85-85, and then the Suns go on a 11-2 run that consisted of several fast breaks off our missed shots or turnovers. A couple of the fast breaks were finished by you-know-who, JRich. JRich knows how to leak out QUICKLY, and the Suns found him. After a timeout, the Suns went into a zone, and we dribbled our way into trouble against the zone, or we missed outside shots. And AGAIN the Suns rammed it back down our throats until the run had grown to 24-2. By then, our spirits were broken, and the game was more or less over.

So the Suns out Nellieballed Nellie. I tip my cap to them. They beat us. I would give the Warrior Wonder to JRich for heating up in the 3rd to smother us. If the Suns have any chance at making the playoffs, the way they played tonight is probably their last hope. And I would like to see JRich and Matt Barnes be a part of that type of playoff run again. I would NOT like to see them upset the Lakers, but that’s another story.

by IQofaWarrior on Mar 16, 2009 2:11 AM PDT reply actions

I would like to see JRich and Matt Barnes be a part of that type of playoff run again. I would NOT like to see them upset the Lakers, but that’s another story.

Sounds like an interesting story? Does it have anything to do with Boston?

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions

Hah, no

it has to do with a 1-8 upset. I don’t want the #8 Suns to upset the #1 Lakers and ruin our story from 2 years ago.

by IQofaWarrior on Mar 16, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions

I don’t want the #8 Suns to upset the #1 Lakers and ruin our story from 2 years ago.

But maybe they could get it right this time and win it all?

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Buike!

Had the Dubs not matched the Clippers offer on Buike, we’d be very much worse off. Kelenna has gotten better every one of his years in the league and has become an excellent outside shooter. He’s probably the teams best on ball defender and being able to defend the league’s top swing men is critical (even for the Warriors who seem allergic to the idea of D).

I don’t recall who said it above- but we are in HARDCORE REBUILDING MODE. IMO, Buike, along w/ Monta, Randolph and Biedrins are the only 4 worth absolutely holding on to. The rest of those guys- we COULD (not should) part w/ if it meets team needs for the future.

It angers me that these so called true Dubs fans keep reverting back to the rationalization of ‘a strong core of players’ or ‘the future of the team’ like we can find some joy in the waning optimism. Like if we pay our dues now we MAY benefit in the future….
We’ve been there and done that. I don’t see eye to eye with Bob ‘toe the company line’ Fitzgerald much, but he took a caller on the radio from a Kings fan who flirted with the idea of becoming a full-fledged W’s fan should the Kings leave Sac. Bob’s response “first you gotta get punched in the face a bunch of times…” or something along those lines.

To all of you who find solace in the ‘core’ or ‘future’ of our team- You’ve been getting punched in the face for a long time (and may not realize it). The WE BELIEVE W’s were (supposed to be) the end to that. Not just one and done (like the Clips the year before).

But hey. We’re the W’s. Go J-Rich. Go New Jersey Nets (Ryan Anderson, Brook Lopez). Go W’s!

by bonbrillio on Mar 16, 2009 8:01 AM PDT reply actions

Embarrassment?

Embarrassment is you STILL POSTING about J-Rich leaving when everyone knows you cant have Monta and J-Rich on the same team. Im sorry, how is Baron Davis doing with the Clippers? I’ll take my 23 wins thank you very much.

Everytime I hear people talk about the “We Believe” days as if we actually had a shot at ANYTHING it pains me, physically.

Drop it already, were a rebuilding young team, were gonna take some losses. Look around the league, all the young teams are doing the same. Apparently here at G-State we think our sh*t dont stink however.

Newsflash: IT does.

by sjboy on Mar 16, 2009 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Rebuilding?

Our 3 leaders in mnutes per game our well over 28. Our coach(was great) is using a system thats not great, seeking to create drama in the locker room, and disspariging our young guys whenever he gets a chance(BW, ME,and AR).

Rebuilding?

check out BW minutes last game 8 minutes, after he looked great on friday night, with our best big man out, and in a blow out.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Mar 16, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions

How do you know he wasnt sore?

He played 8 minutes, did you want him in there get b*tch slapped by Shaq? Man you’d make an awesome coach. A guy who has been out for months with a shoulder injury, go toe to toe with someone who is 140lbs heavier. Nice.

AR gets plenty of minutes for his ability. You must be under the impression that rebuilding means, everyone who is not on the table for years to come, sits down, and everyone who is considered “young” gets every minute possible, because their young.

Thats how you sink a team, you gotta EARN those minutes. As far as I am concerned the players who play are playing well. We just dont have any big bodies. As Hubie Brown said in last night’s tele cast, they are basically showcasing the youth they have to make some moves in the summer.

And of course our 3 leaders in minutes are over 28, they are also the ones who havent been hurt all, year, long.

I know that no matter what I tell you people in here is going to please you, but then again the dude who wrote this article still thinks J-Rich trade was a bad move. All I gotta say is, injuries decimated this team. AL Harrington was another blow forcing us to take in Jamal Crawford. Wright going down was yet another blow ( remember he was getting starts and lots of minutes before he went down ).

You dont have the first clue of running an NBA team. You’re a fan. Who are you to say Don Nelson doesnt know what he is doing, or even worse “starting drama”. No you’re drama. Dallas is still in playoff contention and made a Finals run, and was always competitive under Nelson. Same with The Warriors and the Bucks. The Knicks were the only bad stop for him.

Its just funny, people cut Larry Brown down also in New York, then he comes to CHarlotte, and here comes the “Larry does it again” articles.

No wonder why these guys tune this crap out, because that all it is… crap.

Stop complaining. Its makes reading this forum unbearable. Especially when people in here speculate more then I blink. Unbelievable.

by sjboy on Mar 16, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions

Nellie's lying must stop.

The talk prior to game time about playing the youngsters. What Brandan and Anthony play 14 & 17? While the other chuckers post embarrasing +/-s? What the hell was Keith Smart doing??

by flaaron on Mar 16, 2009 8:24 AM PDT reply actions

this piece of writing

is nothing short of a pulitzer prize. The writer’s assessment of this team’s personnel is honest, on point, and accurate.

thank you very much.

my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"

by VonteegoCummings on Mar 16, 2009 9:32 AM PDT reply actions

+ 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Heck, ’Teego, your reply alone deserves a Pulitzer, an MVP, two Cy Youngs, three Grammies, five Oscars, and a Lady Bing Trophy. The diary deserves all that times 8 quintillion, at least.

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by Sleepy Freud on Mar 16, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions