Stop Reacting!

Disregard if I’m wrong about this, but it seems much of what YOU are “reacting to” is harcore’s last fanpost. There are certainly plenty of people here whose opinions swing dramatically from game to game, but just because someone like hardcore happens to make his observations based on a recent loss doesnt mean he is constantly swinging back and forth like a bipolar schizophrenic alternating between barbiturates and amphetamines. The guy has been pretty consistent with his view of the team and simply because a loss provides him with more evidence for his argument and may prompt him to create a fanshot it doesnt mean he’s inconsistent. Its not as though some of our significant flaws werent exposed by the Suns. Those of us who don’t share your optimism about Monta’s ability to play PG, Maggette’s ability to stay healthy or put a full season of solid play together for the first time in his career, or the ambiguously skinny duo’s ability to hold down the 4 spot full time aren’t necessarily fickle.

Very well said, freerandolph. Much as I like this site — its friendly interface, cute webpins, diversity of topics and voices — there are days when the gradeschoolishness, dramaqueenishness, and kneejerkishness get pretty unbearable. I think (hope?) that the silent majority agrees with you. I guess part of the problem the voices of gradeschoolishness, dramaqueenishness, and kneejerkishness can be some of the loudest on the site.

Sometimes I think the basic level of thought and analysis that the mods require of the diaries should be required of every post. But then, that would eliminate some of the clever riffing and one-liners that give this place life (it would probably cut 90% of my posts, for example). Maybe a rule that every post has to be either (a) thoughtful or (b) funny? Naturally, the arbiter of thoughtfulness and humor would be me… ;-)

YaHeard‘s post after a win was on the mark, and I’d remarked so there … the Truth Hurts post was composed prior to last night’s game, but posted after, and was prompted by discussion in bgnumber5’s post.

My goal is to provoke discussion, not necessarily to be right - witness the stances I take on firing Mullin (last year), firing Nelson (last summer), trading Harrington and tanking (both earlier this year), or entertaining the idea of trading Monta (now).

sam23, after all our contentious exchanges last fall, it was particularly heartening to see that those who know my posts would speak up, thx.

Although I’m probably one of the people guilty of more noise than signal (i don’t try to, i’m sorry) I agree that much of the things on this site lack the research and depth of opinion that actually enhances your knowledge of the team and its developments. However, those blunt and usually abrasive comments are beneficial in that they prompt the intelligent, nonjudgmental, satiric comments. I’ve only been on gsom for a short while, but the first post i read, if i remember correctly, was a tag team of kentoe, takfsm, olympicmike, and sam23 (sorry if i misspell your usernames) pointing out how weak everyone’s arguments were with actual evidence. Then i found jae (whoever you are, i think you should be coaching this team right now) and read through all of his/her comments by visiting their profile. Usually when he/she spoke up it was a reaction to a realllly dumb comment. Example: Let’s trade for lebron!. But honestly, those of us who don’t have an IQ for basketball of 200+ do think in these simple general terms, and we rely on people like that to really expose the flaws and simplicity of our logic.
Overall, I feel that moderating this site will limit its diversity, popularity, and funny moments. Who’s right and who’s wrong is subjective and we can’t force people to think thoroughly or learn more before commenting. Similarly, we can’t require everyone to be optimistic about the dubs and only post positive comments. But the constructive critiques of said comments are the only way people learn to grow and learn to appreciate the game more. In that fashion, gsom, or some of its users, has been moderating itself. The only suggestion i’d make, b/c i don’t believe it adds anything whatsoever is limiting feuds and attacks between users that have no relevance to the site whatsoever, turning the threads into a battleground for their insecurities.

I dont really have much of a problem with this site. Sure some fanposts are jam packed with useless responses (but hey I’ve been guilty of more than my share of those, anyway) I think most people can dig through those pretty easily to find intelligent conversation/debate. After just over a year hanging out around here I pretty much know whose stuff I wanna read, and theres a select group who I can spot by their icon pic as I quickly scroll (but those posts are already green about 50% of the time anyway) Theres the occasional buffoon, ignorant prick, or republican lunatic, who seem to just be looking for a fight, but sometimes these lead to the most entertaining exchanges (see the recent goldenboy beatdown) I wouldnt mind seeing some sort of open V.I.P. forum or something for only the most dedicated, entertaining and/or knowledgeable contributors, but the recommended post section works pretty well. It seems like the quality of the rec’d posts is deteriorating but I don’t mind doing a little digging to find an interesting debate. The only thing I guess I might say is a bit of a problem is that the elite like me who are obviously far too busy with much more interesting and important matters and are just basically far too good to read all the thoughts of the masses often miss when a solid new contributor emerges. I usually scan quickly for the jae, O.M., owenellickson, Sleepy, DFiB, BSD hardcore, etc posts and lose out on getting to read the solid contributions of newer guys guys like amhd388 and freerandolph.

A great “back-to-the-basket PF” is not walking through that door. A great “pure PG” is not walking through that door. But what we are is young, exciting, hard-working and we’re going to improve.

Personally, this team has met and exceeded all my expectations. I look at this roster and I see great shooting, great speed, a team that can accomplish anything. When I look back on the ‘08-’09 Warriors, I won’t remember the moped or front office incompetence. I’ll remember this as the year we found out about the Anthonys. I’ll remember upending the Celtics at the height of their invincibility with a rag-tag band of misfits, d-leaguers, and undrafted players.

Heroes aren’t born (or stolen from Memphis)- they’re made.

Heroes aren’t born (or stolen from Memphis)- they’re made.

Haha. Unfortunately they are more often stolen from a small market or drafted that way than they are made.

It could happen. It probably won’t but it could. But if we can’t enjoy the possibility of greatness we don’t really have much to enjoy as Warriors fans, right?

Also I’m reminded how lucky I am that my wife will usually watch the games with me and even get into it a little.

that the whole roster was never healthy for any game this season. One goes up, one goes down. Honestly, I’m tired of this cycle, but I’m not giving up on them. I would like to see a half or a whole season where everyone is healthy or up and running.

I knew from the start when I found out that Monta was going to be gone for 20? games that this season was lost. I knew it more when Baron left.

Right now, I really don’t care if we lose or we win this next games. I want to see the team use the rest of the games as practice for next season. I STILL enjoy watching them and there’s nothing anyone can do about that.

I like everyone the way they are.

Conformity sucks.

I appreciate the attention paid to the up and down attitudes that seem to change as often the weather. There’s too much importance placed on the up and down nature of the Dubs for this year, considering the season, for all intensive purposes, ended before it began on a moped (maybe a ducati?) in Mississippi.

My gripe with the Dubs is the long term direction of the team. From the day Maggette was signed I saw us taking a step back. It was a knee-jerk reactionary decision in lieu of Baron leaving. Maggs represents a slower, half-court style of ball that the team is not. Then giving Nellie a contract extension only reinforces to me that, despite his age and his (almost obvious) desire to break Lenny Wilkins’ all-time winse record then leave, upper management has no clue what they’re doing- so give Nellie more influence.

More recently Nellie has blatantly alienated certain guys on the roster and has no shame/ discretion in lying about non-existent injuries to keep guys off the floor.

My attitude is this: we need to part ways with Nellie (and Cohan and Rowell) and build around our young talent, who we are lucky enough to have long term contracts on (I’m not saying anything groundbreaking here). As for the rest of the year- please just outright sit Crawford, Steph Marbury style if he’s declared gone; and compete- win or lose- compete. That is something we’ve been doing a good job of since Monta’s return.

In all, good post.

 That’s a recipe for middle of the pack , low playoff spot or low draft spot.
   I’d like to see some distillation of our talent but Nellie don’t like stars so it’s probably not gonna happen.

  No, I think it’s more that Nellie like to play the victim role and can’t do that if he has better players. He wants to have a handy “out” for the times nellie ball don’t work. Every time he’s gotten a team close to being playoff material he’s found a way to break it up.

  
Well it takes money to win so everything in the NBA is about money. Nellie took a promising team to what 45 wins, playoffs, 48 wins and now maybe 30 wins? See the pattern? we topped out when he reached the maximum potential of nellie ball and his tolerance for high expectations. If we’d kept the 07 team together and tweaked it there’s no way we could be worse than a 30 win team now and we might have gone far into the playoffs last year.

I just have to say that this has been one of the best threads that I have read on GSM in a long time. I have read the site sense I can’t remember, and the it has always enhanced my fan-dom. But I just want to make a point about a few things that have been most enjoyable about this thread.

1. Full sentences, proper spelling, no text speak, not TOO many capitalized words, and full coherent responses.

 2. The knowledge and thought that goes into each coherent post. Its great to walk away from reading something with a new perspective, which this thread has done.

3. The personalities that are exposed. That comes with people being responsible about what they say, respectful to other posters, and polite to the readers. I hate slogging through arguments where people think that their anonymity allows them the right to be ignorant idiots.

4. It made me laugh. I’m not talking about rolling on the floor or anything, but it chuckled to myself. Thats more that I would get out of most fan blogs. (Bill Simmons is really the only person to make me roll on the floor laughing. Yes, I did spell it out)

5. It made me want to encourage this type of behavior. I don’t post much on this site, but this is the type posting that I would respond to. Thanks.

     In my opinion the The Warriors phenomena can be an interesting one to dissect. How do I really Feel about the team? Am I not just reacting to a recent win or loss? How do I weigh the desire to win over the comfort that I get out of yet an another futile season?
     Do I feel that they can make the playoffs next year? The Western Conference has been very competitive over the last three to five seasons. When a team can have a winning record and not make it into the playoffs, there is great competition in the top of the Conference. For the Warriors to make it back into the top half of the class, they are going to be a lot smarter when it comes to signing/drafting players, dolling out contracts, and improving their style of play. Currently they play zero to no defense, and the last teams to win Championships have done that extremely well. However, I don’t like watching defensive slug outs as much as I like the run and gun, up tempo, frenetic style of play. That being said, I would be ecstatic if somehow, after this year only make the playoffs two of the next three years. I think that would be a very remarkable accomplishment.
     Should I feel that they can make the playoffs next year? Sure! Why not? With older teams that have been top tier for decades declining (San Antonio), teams that have over stayed their welcome at the top of the class (Dallas), teams that have and will suffer from injuries leaving them unpredictable for the next two seasons (Phoenix, Houston ), and others that may loose key components due to other teams luring their finest talent away (Portland, Denver, New Orleans) there Should be a few more wins to go around. Lets hope the Warriors don’t make stupid drafts, or sign poor contracts in the near future and throw it all away like we did with the now Wizards team.
    Does this team have a shot, and should I have high expectations for them? No. Jackson is at the top of his game, but he can’t continue to play like this for the next two years and not break down. Beans and Turriaf are great in the post, but is either one of them dominant and can score at will? Will Monta be a good to great point gaud? Do I see the tools of a playoff team? Are we headed into another decade of futility?

God I hope not. I am a dumb ass fan who writes too much and loves his Bay Area team too much. Every night, I think they are great, win or loose.

WOW… I should have been sleeping 2 hours ago and read everything. Appreciate the reader everybody!