Open Thread: 2009 NBA Lottery
How could I forget? With last night's embarrassing loss to the Phoenix Suns featuring Warrior Killer performances from former We Believers Jason Richardson (31 points in 3 quarters on 73.3% shooting) and Matt Barnes (20 points, 6 rodmans, and 11 dimes), the Warriors have been officially eliminated from the 2009 NBA Playoffs. Non-bandwagon, non-delusional, and non-company line Dubs folk and have known that the playoffs weren't in the picture for this NBDL, 6th man paid like an All-Star, and moped crashing roster since well... October, but it's always nice when things are official.
For those of you counting at home that would be the 14th time during the 15th years Chris Cohan has been the majority owner of the Golden State Warriors for a full season that this organization has not managed to make the playoffs in a league where over half the teams make it to the spring tourney. Suck would be an understatement. Incompetence would be too forgiving. "Unstoppable Baby!" is more appropriate.
Because it's never too early to count super lotto balls for Warriors fans!
If only we could find some random foreign prospect to hype up to no end to humor ourselves and pass time in a somewhat productive if not annoying way.
Jump for some draft links.
It's time for the GSoM community to direct a substantial portion of our hoops fandom towards the NCAA tourney and Ridiculous Upside- hey with Chris Mullin's draft busts and the Marcus Williams trade there's going to be a lot of D-League scouting going on to fill up this roster for the next few years.
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We would win the lottery only to pick Gerald Henderson.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 16, 2009 8:50 PM PDT reply actions
yeah lets tank!
and screw over us season ticket holders who paid a lot of money to see a competitive team
and screw over season ticket holders who paid a lot of money to see a competitive team
Haha, they deserve it for being so gullible. I bet they try to kick that football again next season.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 8:58 PM PDT reply actions
if
we pick tyler hansborough i think i will shoot myself.
With the 37th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft the Golden State Warriors select...
by Atma Brother ONE on Mar 16, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
... Antenna Ball!
Anyone else remember this commercial?
by IQofaWarrior on Mar 16, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
no, we're not that old. =p
Kelenna is mine...;>
by girltothemax on Mar 16, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I will forever regret posting my age online
by IQofaWarrior on Mar 16, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
31 for those who missed it?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
lol skeptic...
you crossed the line.
You broke the rule of law..uh or is it the law of rule. oh what the heck!
Kelenna is mine...;>
by girltothemax on Mar 17, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions
You broke the rule of law
oh what I’d give to be 19 again :>)
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
were you disco or rock n roll?
what was World War 2 like?
by 123707THIZZ on Mar 16, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
why
don’t like weird looking basketball players who jump bounce and score weird lol
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Mar 17, 2009 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
God I can't read your crap anymore Atma.
J-Rich and Barnes are journeymen. Their going to be on different teams most likely again next year.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
Are you kidding?????
We would be the best team in the league right now if we had J-Rich and Barnes. These two guys are bonafide all stars. WHY DID WE GET RID OF THEM?!?!?!?! Why can’t our front office keep our superstars?
by Number22Drew on Mar 17, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I have a great idea
Scouting AND drafting from the D-League! Keith Clark and Trey Gilder are both draft eligible this season!!
Love it?
Ridiculous? I think Not.
Upside? Plenty.
RidiculousUpside
by Scott Schroeder on Mar 16, 2009 9:17 PM PDT reply actions
Let get
Ricky Rubio. Now that is a pg….
by warriorfan4life on Mar 16, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions
If only we could find some random foreign prospect to hype up to no end to humor ourselves and pass time in a somewhat productive if not annoying way.
Looks like you got your wish
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Warrior fans deserve to win the lottery.
They continue to fill up the arena while other teams with much better records have half filled arenas. I was watching a Spurs game the other day and was amazed how little people there were at the game.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
Haha
I’m not sure which is a bigger blast from the past: the Yi movement, or posts by OZ and Zig…
For the record, I’m totally on board the random foreign prospect to hype up to no end to humor ourselves and pass time in a somewhat productive if not annoying way movement. Let the random foreign prospect to hype up to no end to humor ourselves and pass time in a somewhat productive if not annoying way movement begin!
Thing 1
I’m not sure which is a bigger blast from the past: the Yi movement, or posts by OZ and Zig…
I’d kill for some Baumerworld these days , that guy was seriously hilarious.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 9:47 PM PDT reply actions
We will draft the best PG available and we choose from Teague, Jennings, Holiday, and Lawson. Lawson or Jennings are my picks primarily because of their speed and fast break skills.
Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
Who cares about the lottery.
It’s all about the 2nd round! And a special someone is going to go undrafted and get picked up by Golden State in the offseason.
by Precise Films Productions on Mar 16, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions
i'd prefer to trade down if we dont get griffin or rubio
the guys projected mid first round seem better than all these 6-1 to 6-4 tweeners….. teague, willie warren, etc etc
ok
1. brandon jennings
2. rubio
3. teague
no power forwards
dont liek holiday?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
i
don’t know i sitll think he is not that good his stats in Italy arn’t that spectacular but at least if he i son our team i would be enticed to buy some of those Under Armour shoes
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Mar 17, 2009 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions
What's up with you calling everyone eho "believed" a bandwagoner all the time?
You always say “We Believe is Dead,” and you pulled the plug on it before it was even dead. We all knew that there were going to be no playoffs this season, but you are probably the most pessimistic person I know. Go back to being a Knicks fan fatma.
for real like theres still bandwagon fans here....
by 123707THIZZ on Mar 17, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
think they all moved over to the sharks
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
god knows i tried, but the mexican in me just wont let me watch hockey...
by 123707THIZZ on Mar 17, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Me neither
When I see all that ice I wanna break out the icepick and make margaritas
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL: GSoM line of the month!
Alternate, manic depressive version:
When I watch ice hockey I wanna break out the icepick andmake margaritasgouge my eyes out…
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 17, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
go stephen curry!
the ultimate backcourt weeeeeeee!!!!! Monta + Curry = 50 point a night with the opposing team scoring 157!!!
heared
of JJ Reddick same players sucks in NBA.
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Mar 17, 2009 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
We don't need Blake Griffin. WE NEED A POINT GUARD.
I actually have faith in the development of Wright and Randolph. Imagine them better off next season and playing together? Damn. Steinmetz is right. Imagine, @ the 5, Biens/Ronny, and AR/BWright @ 4.
Or we can grab someone big like Griffin and trade him for a healthy, veteran point guard.
Or trust in a great, young rookie PG? Rubio, Curry? EH?
“That’s the NBA version of Gumby right there!” — Bob Fitz
by DubCurse on Mar 17, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1!!!!
ya…if we get a big in the draft i hope we trade em for a vet PG
if not, draft a PG! rubio/jennings/holiday/teague/curry, lotta potential there imo
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
You DON'T draft a guy like Griffin, just to trade him
First off, Randolph is probably going to end up a Small Forward. Yeah, he’s PF/C when playing Nellie ball, but that’s besides the point.
Can you imagine Biedrins/Turiaf, Griffin/Wright, Randolph/Jackson, Ellis/Belinelli, and Crawford/Watson? Do you know how many blocks per game the W’s would have with Turiaf, Griffin and Randolph on the floor? Not to mention they still have Maggette as a 6th man to play anywhere from PF, SF, and SG.
Honestly, If Monta can’t improve his defense, then he’s expendable.
Honestly, If Monta can’t improve his defense, then he’s expendable.
If we could get a great point guard for Montay and Crawford they are both expendable. combo guards or 2 guards are a lot easier to find than real point guards.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
monta isnt an awful defender
give him time. he creates alot of turn overs and gets loose balls…. He should get better….crawford on otherhand is what he is
I cannot believe this was written
Ellis is every bit as bad of a defender as everyone says he is. Last game I spent much of my time tracking him on defense. He does not keep his man in front of him, he doesn’t go through screens well, he doesn’t seem interested or caring… He’s just a horrendous defender – there’s no other way to view it, IMHO.
i think the nice
thing is that all the team worse then us already have decent pgs except for the wolves and kings.
wizards have arenas
clippers have baron
grizz have conly and mayo
thunder have westbrook
clips woudl take rubio
in a second and try to deal baron…. rubio-gordon backcourt could be 1 for years
only thunder wouldnt take him
arenas could move to 2. conley is hardly impressing
Guys, I'm trying
to get the Thunder to win as many games as possible so the Warriors can get ahead in the lotto balls! They just beat San Antonio….only 4.5 games behind!
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I'm trying to get the Thunder to win as many games as possible
Invoke the power of Adonal
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions
This year's Chicago Bulls? Please, we need it around here!
Even though Nellie’s showing a deftness in tanking that I didn’t think he had in him, the odds of us getting one of the worst few records in the league is low. Right now we own the 7th worst record in the league by winning %, at 23-43 (.348). The 6 teams below us in the standings are truly awful and it’s tough to see how we really finish with a worse record than them.
If the lottery were held today, according the ESPN’s lottery / draft machine (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2009/mockdraft) we’d have a 4.3% chance of winning it all. That should mean that we have an even greater chance of getting a top-3 pick (which is what the lottery is for – after that it goes by reverse record). I don’t know how the math works but I would think you could just multiply the 4.3% by 3 to get our current odds of a top 3 pick at 12.9%. Not that bad but not that good, either. If we’re not in the top 3 that would mean at best we’d have the 7th pick, and at worst we’d have 10th pick (though the odds of that are unbelievably low, b/c then none of the worst 7 teams would have won a top 3 pick, but I digress…).
Working from the 6th worst spot backwards, Minnesota has lost Al Jefferson and Corey Brewer, so how do they really win games? I don’t see it. The Oklahoma Thieves have been playing a lot better and have a healthy Durant now, so I can see them passing us. But, with only 17 games left, are they going to win 4 or more games than we will, which they’d have to do to pass us in the standings? Not so sure of that; it could be close. Memphis has OJ Majo, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol, Mike Conley and not much else. Those guys are good but not that good. This is a truly talentless team with a huge lack of depth and good players in general. No way do they make up 6 games on us during the next 17. Not happenning. LA Clippers have some real talent despite their being a mess, and they’re finally healthy, but making up 7 games in 17? I doubt it, but it’s possible if they go on a tear. If we lose tonight, it’ll help the cause. There’s no way we make up all those games on the Gilbert-less Wizards or the Sacramento Kings, who are each awful. The Raptors have Chris Bosh and play in the East so I would bet they finish with a better record, but it should be close. The Pacers have Danny Granger, who’s far better than anyone we have on our roster, btw, and also play in the weaker East. They’re 5 games ahead of us so I think we’re safe.
Bottom line – we’re probably not going to have a better lottery shot at the end of the year than we do now. Cross your fingers for that 12.9% chance of a top-3 pick!
1. Sacramento Kings (14-52)
2. Washington Wizards (16-51)
3. LA Clippers (16-50)
4. Memphis Grizzlies (17-49)
5. The team that cannot be named per Bill Simmons (19-48)
6. Minnesota Grizzlies (20-46)
7. Golden State “Cohan – please sell the team ASAP” Warriors (23-43)
8. Toronto Raptors (24-44)
9. Indiana Pacers (28-40)
The math works like this:
As the #7 seed:
(4.3% chance at #1 pick) + (4.9% chance at #2 pick) + (5.8% chance at #3 pick) = 15% total
As the #8 seed:
(2.8% chance at #1 pick) + (3.3% chance at #2 pick) + (3.9% chance at #3 pick) = 10% total
Those are basically our two options at this point. As you point out, we’re probably too far ahead of teams #1-6 to “rise” a slot, and the only team we really risk falling “behind” is Toronto.
It should also be pointed out, though, that the #3 pick is really not worth rooting for, and neither is the #2 pick, unless Rubio comes out. It’s basically a one player draft, or two if you count Rubio. If Rubio doesn’t declare, we’re really not much worse off at #7 than we would be at #2 or 3.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 17, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
james harden
yea he’s another 2… that being said hes going to be better than any 2 we have. i’d rather pick best player available and then work trades
Greg Monroe
If Monroe comes out he’d be a great player for us. He is the play making, passing big man Nellie would die for. It doesn’t look like he’s coming out, though.
Really?
He looks to me like a poor man’s Branthony Wrightolph — long, lefty, athletic, maybe marginally more “skilled,” but not particularly skilled at the things that a PF should be skilled at: rebounding and defending (both of which our guys do better). What should excite us about him?
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 17, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
What should excite us about him?
The same thing that would excite us about any lotto pick, it’s free ! A chance to get something of value out of a crappy season.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 18, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear you...
But he’s not at all like Anthony Randolph or Brandan Wright.
H’s got a bigger frame, though he’s obviously not huge, but he’ll be better at playing a big man straight up. He’s a much, much better passer than anyone we have on our team except for Stephen Jackson and Marco Belinelli, including Monta. (I’m not counting Jamal Crawford b/c for these purposes he won’t be on the team.)
He has a really nice shot so while playing the 4 he can start the offense from the top of the key, the way Webber used to do, if we want him to, and the other team has to respect his shot. That’s the biggest difference between him and Randolph/Wright (and btw, I’m a huge Randolph fan and still open with Wright), you can actually play him opposite Biedrins and still have 4 shooters on the floor. Not the case with Randolph/Wright. He will stretch the defense while playing with a very high basketball IQ.
he was a 2nd or 3rd option
on a team that couldnt make the tourney. i agree hes talented but hes got a WAAYS to go
while playing with a very high basketball IQ.
Do they give these guys a basketball IQ test before they leave college? Are their scores listed anywhere?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 18, 2009 11:42 PM PDT reply actions

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