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Open Thread: 2009 NBA Lottery

How could I forget? With last night's embarrassing loss to the Phoenix Suns featuring Warrior Killer performances from former We Believers Jason Richardson (31 points in 3 quarters on 73.3% shooting) and Matt Barnes (20 points, 6 rodmans, and 11 dimes), the Warriors have been officially eliminated from the 2009 NBA Playoffs. Non-bandwagon, non-delusional, and non-company line Dubs folk and have known that the playoffs weren't in the picture for this NBDL, 6th man paid like an All-Star, and moped crashing roster since well... October, but it's always nice when things are official.

For those of you counting at home that would be the 14th time during the 15th years Chris Cohan has been the majority owner of the Golden State Warriors for a full season that this organization has not managed to make the playoffs in a league where over half the teams make it to the spring tourney. Suck would be an understatement. Incompetence would be too forgiving. "Unstoppable Baby!" is more appropriate.

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Because it's never too early to count super lotto balls for Warriors fans!

If only we could find some random foreign prospect to hype up to no end to humor ourselves and pass time in a somewhat productive if not annoying way.

Jump for some draft links.

Star-divide

It's time for the GSoM community to direct a substantial portion of our hoops fandom towards the NCAA tourney and Ridiculous Upside- hey with Chris Mullin's draft busts and the Marcus Williams trade there's going to be a lot of D-League scouting going on to fill up this roster for the next few years.

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Keep your eyes on the prize.
Tank it Nellie! Tank it!

 

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We would win the lottery only to pick Gerald Henderson.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Mar 16, 2009 8:50 PM PDT reply actions  

greg monroe, jeff teague, or al-farouq aminu are my picks that are actually practical.

by gorillas on Mar 16, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah lets tank!

and screw over us season ticket holders who paid a lot of money to see a competitive team

by Number22Drew on Mar 16, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions  

and screw over season ticket holders who paid a lot of money to see a competitive team

 Haha, they deserve it for being so gullible. I bet they try to kick that football again next season.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 8:58 PM PDT reply actions  

if

we pick tyler hansborough i think i will shoot myself.

by saintdee on Mar 16, 2009 9:05 PM PDT reply actions  

... Antenna Ball!

Anyone else remember this commercial?

by IQofaWarrior on Mar 16, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

31 for those who missed it?

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol skeptic...

you crossed the line.

You broke the rule of law..uh or is it the law of rule. oh what the heck!

Kelenna is mine...;>

by girltothemax on Mar 17, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

You broke the rule of law

  oh what I’d give to be 19 again :>)

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

why

don’t like weird looking basketball players who jump bounce and score weird lol

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Mar 17, 2009 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

God I can't read your crap anymore Atma.

J-Rich and Barnes are journeymen. Their going to be on different teams most likely again next year.

"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker

by houseofprime on Mar 16, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Are you kidding?????

We would be the best team in the league right now if we had J-Rich and Barnes. These two guys are bonafide all stars. WHY DID WE GET RID OF THEM?!?!?!?! Why can’t our front office keep our superstars?

by Number22Drew on Mar 17, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh man

If you didn’t put this I bet you’d get 20+ reply on that post.

by lightz0ut on Mar 17, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, I have a great idea

Scouting AND drafting from the D-League! Keith Clark and Trey Gilder are both draft eligible this season!!

Love it?

Ridiculous? I think Not.
Upside? Plenty.
RidiculousUpside

by Scott Schroeder on Mar 16, 2009 9:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Let get

Ricky Rubio. Now that is a pg….

by warriorfan4life on Mar 16, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

If only we could find some random foreign prospect to hype up to no end to humor ourselves and pass time in a somewhat productive if not annoying way.

 Looks like you got your wish

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Warrior fans deserve to win the lottery.

They continue to fill up the arena while other teams with much better records have half filled arenas. I was watching a Spurs game the other day and was amazed how little people there were at the game.

"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker

by houseofprime on Mar 16, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha

I’m not sure which is a bigger blast from the past: the Yi movement, or posts by OZ and Zig…

For the record, I’m totally on board the random foreign prospect to hype up to no end to humor ourselves and pass time in a somewhat productive if not annoying way movement. Let the random foreign prospect to hype up to no end to humor ourselves and pass time in a somewhat productive if not annoying way movement begin!

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 16, 2009 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m not sure which is a bigger blast from the past: the Yi movement, or posts by OZ and Zig…

  I’d kill for some Baumerworld these days , that guy was seriously hilarious.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 16, 2009 9:47 PM PDT reply actions  

We will draft the best PG available and we choose from Teague, Jennings, Holiday, and Lawson. Lawson or Jennings are my picks primarily because of their speed and fast break skills.

Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Mar 16, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions  

i doubt that holiday will come out this year

by gorillas on Mar 16, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who cares about the lottery.

It’s all about the 2nd round! And a special someone is going to go undrafted and get picked up by Golden State in the offseason.

by Precise Films Productions on Mar 16, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions  

i'd prefer to trade down if we dont get griffin or rubio

the guys projected mid first round seem better than all these 6-1 to 6-4 tweeners….. teague, willie warren, etc etc

by tafkasam on Mar 16, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions  

ok

1. brandon jennings
2. rubio
3. teague
no power forwards

by hoopscorer23 on Mar 16, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions  

dont liek holiday?

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Mar 17, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

like*

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Mar 17, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

i

don’t know i sitll think he is not that good his stats in Italy arn’t that spectacular but at least if he i son our team i would be enticed to buy some of those Under Armour shoes

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Mar 17, 2009 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

What's up with you calling everyone eho "believed" a bandwagoner all the time?

You always say “We Believe is Dead,” and you pulled the plug on it before it was even dead. We all knew that there were going to be no playoffs this season, but you are probably the most pessimistic person I know. Go back to being a Knicks fan fatma.

by ZaMzAm FiRe on Mar 16, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions  

think they all moved over to the sharks

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me neither

When I see all that ice I wanna break out the icepick and make margaritas

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL: GSoM line of the month!

Alternate, manic depressive version:

When I watch ice hockey I wanna break out the icepick and make margaritas gouge my eyes out…

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 17, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah

we should pick JOHN WALL. He’s gonna be a star!

by ryanj55 on Mar 16, 2009 10:56 PM PDT reply actions  

So...

I guess another lottery year for us next year.

by lightz0ut on Mar 17, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well…at least we have optimism.

On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.

by PAWarrior on Mar 16, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions  

go stephen curry!

the ultimate backcourt weeeeeeee!!!!! Monta + Curry = 50 point a night with the opposing team scoring 157!!!

by bojangles408 on Mar 17, 2009 12:25 AM PDT reply actions  

heared

of JJ Reddick same players sucks in NBA.

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Mar 17, 2009 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

We don't need Blake Griffin. WE NEED A POINT GUARD.

I actually have faith in the development of Wright and Randolph. Imagine them better off next season and playing together? Damn. Steinmetz is right. Imagine, @ the 5, Biens/Ronny, and AR/BWright @ 4.

Or we can grab someone big like Griffin and trade him for a healthy, veteran point guard.

Or trust in a great, young rookie PG? Rubio, Curry? EH?

“That’s the NBA version of Gumby right there!” — Bob Fitz

by DubCurse on Mar 17, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

+1!!!!

ya…if we get a big in the draft i hope we trade em for a vet PG

if not, draft a PG! rubio/jennings/holiday/teague/curry, lotta potential there imo

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Mar 17, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

You DON'T draft a guy like Griffin, just to trade him

First off, Randolph is probably going to end up a Small Forward. Yeah, he’s PF/C when playing Nellie ball, but that’s besides the point.

Can you imagine Biedrins/Turiaf, Griffin/Wright, Randolph/Jackson, Ellis/Belinelli, and Crawford/Watson? Do you know how many blocks per game the W’s would have with Turiaf, Griffin and Randolph on the floor? Not to mention they still have Maggette as a 6th man to play anywhere from PF, SF, and SG.

Honestly, If Monta can’t improve his defense, then he’s expendable.

by aBulldog on Mar 17, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, If Monta can’t improve his defense, then he’s expendable.

  If we could get a great point guard for Montay and Crawford they are both expendable. combo guards or 2 guards are a lot easier to find than real point guards.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

monta isnt an awful defender

give him time. he creates alot of turn overs and gets loose balls…. He should get better….crawford on otherhand is what he is

by tafkasam on Mar 17, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I cannot believe this was written

Ellis is every bit as bad of a defender as everyone says he is. Last game I spent much of my time tracking him on defense. He does not keep his man in front of him, he doesn’t go through screens well, he doesn’t seem interested or caring… He’s just a horrendous defender – there’s no other way to view it, IMHO.

by Neon on Mar 17, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think the nice

thing is that all the team worse then us already have decent pgs except for the wolves and kings.

wizards have arenas
clippers have baron
grizz have conly and mayo
thunder have westbrook

by saintdee on Mar 17, 2009 2:20 AM PDT reply actions  

clips woudl take rubio

in a second and try to deal baron…. rubio-gordon backcourt could be 1 for years

by tafkasam on Mar 17, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

only thunder wouldnt take him

arenas could move to 2. conley is hardly impressing

by tafkasam on Mar 17, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guys, I'm trying

to get the Thunder to win as many games as possible so the Warriors can get ahead in the lotto balls! They just beat San Antonio….only 4.5 games behind!

Tony.psd = Da Man
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Check Out My New Blog! (Don't Worry, The Warriors are Still #1)

by Zorgon on Mar 17, 2009 5:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm trying to get the Thunder to win as many games as possible

   Invoke the power of Adonal

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

This year's Chicago Bulls? Please, we need it around here!

Even though Nellie’s showing a deftness in tanking that I didn’t think he had in him, the odds of us getting one of the worst few records in the league is low. Right now we own the 7th worst record in the league by winning %, at 23-43 (.348). The 6 teams below us in the standings are truly awful and it’s tough to see how we really finish with a worse record than them.

If the lottery were held today, according the ESPN’s lottery / draft machine (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2009/mockdraft) we’d have a 4.3% chance of winning it all. That should mean that we have an even greater chance of getting a top-3 pick (which is what the lottery is for – after that it goes by reverse record). I don’t know how the math works but I would think you could just multiply the 4.3% by 3 to get our current odds of a top 3 pick at 12.9%. Not that bad but not that good, either. If we’re not in the top 3 that would mean at best we’d have the 7th pick, and at worst we’d have 10th pick (though the odds of that are unbelievably low, b/c then none of the worst 7 teams would have won a top 3 pick, but I digress…).

Working from the 6th worst spot backwards, Minnesota has lost Al Jefferson and Corey Brewer, so how do they really win games? I don’t see it. The Oklahoma Thieves have been playing a lot better and have a healthy Durant now, so I can see them passing us. But, with only 17 games left, are they going to win 4 or more games than we will, which they’d have to do to pass us in the standings? Not so sure of that; it could be close. Memphis has OJ Majo, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol, Mike Conley and not much else. Those guys are good but not that good. This is a truly talentless team with a huge lack of depth and good players in general. No way do they make up 6 games on us during the next 17. Not happenning. LA Clippers have some real talent despite their being a mess, and they’re finally healthy, but making up 7 games in 17? I doubt it, but it’s possible if they go on a tear. If we lose tonight, it’ll help the cause. There’s no way we make up all those games on the Gilbert-less Wizards or the Sacramento Kings, who are each awful. The Raptors have Chris Bosh and play in the East so I would bet they finish with a better record, but it should be close. The Pacers have Danny Granger, who’s far better than anyone we have on our roster, btw, and also play in the weaker East. They’re 5 games ahead of us so I think we’re safe.

Bottom line – we’re probably not going to have a better lottery shot at the end of the year than we do now. Cross your fingers for that 12.9% chance of a top-3 pick!

1. Sacramento Kings (14-52)
2. Washington Wizards (16-51)
3. LA Clippers (16-50)
4. Memphis Grizzlies (17-49)
5. The team that cannot be named per Bill Simmons (19-48)
6. Minnesota Grizzlies (20-46)
7. Golden State “Cohan – please sell the team ASAP” Warriors (23-43)
8. Toronto Raptors (24-44)
9. Indiana Pacers (28-40)

by Neon on Mar 17, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

The math works like this:

As the #7 seed:
(4.3% chance at #1 pick) + (4.9% chance at #2 pick) + (5.8% chance at #3 pick) = 15% total

As the #8 seed:
(2.8% chance at #1 pick) + (3.3% chance at #2 pick) + (3.9% chance at #3 pick) = 10% total

Those are basically our two options at this point. As you point out, we’re probably too far ahead of teams #1-6 to “rise” a slot, and the only team we really risk falling “behind” is Toronto.

It should also be pointed out, though, that the #3 pick is really not worth rooting for, and neither is the #2 pick, unless Rubio comes out. It’s basically a one player draft, or two if you count Rubio. If Rubio doesn’t declare, we’re really not much worse off at #7 than we would be at #2 or 3.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 17, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

james harden

yea he’s another 2… that being said hes going to be better than any 2 we have. i’d rather pick best player available and then work trades

by tafkasam on Mar 19, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Greg Monroe

If Monroe comes out he’d be a great player for us. He is the play making, passing big man Nellie would die for. It doesn’t look like he’s coming out, though.

by Neon on Mar 17, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Really?

He looks to me like a poor man’s Branthony Wrightolph — long, lefty, athletic, maybe marginally more “skilled,” but not particularly skilled at the things that a PF should be skilled at: rebounding and defending (both of which our guys do better). What should excite us about him?

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 17, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

What should excite us about him?

 The same thing that would excite us about any lotto pick, it’s free ! A chance to get something of value out of a crappy season.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 18, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hear you...

But he’s not at all like Anthony Randolph or Brandan Wright.

H’s got a bigger frame, though he’s obviously not huge, but he’ll be better at playing a big man straight up. He’s a much, much better passer than anyone we have on our team except for Stephen Jackson and Marco Belinelli, including Monta. (I’m not counting Jamal Crawford b/c for these purposes he won’t be on the team.)

He has a really nice shot so while playing the 4 he can start the offense from the top of the key, the way Webber used to do, if we want him to, and the other team has to respect his shot. That’s the biggest difference between him and Randolph/Wright (and btw, I’m a huge Randolph fan and still open with Wright), you can actually play him opposite Biedrins and still have 4 shooters on the floor. Not the case with Randolph/Wright. He will stretch the defense while playing with a very high basketball IQ.

by Neon on Mar 17, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

he was a 2nd or 3rd option

on a team that couldnt make the tourney. i agree hes talented but hes got a WAAYS to go

by tafkasam on Mar 19, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

while playing with a very high basketball IQ.

  Do they give these guys a basketball IQ test before they leave college? Are their scores listed anywhere?

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 18, 2009 11:42 PM PDT reply actions  

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