And your choices for random foreign prospect to hype up to no end to humor ourselves and pass time in a somewhat productive if not annoying way are...
I don't watch or follow too much college ball, but this is based on what I've gathered so far from other resources. All quoted lines are from nbadraft.net
Hasheem Thabeet - Tanzanian
Pros
-He's 7' 3'' 263 lbs. This addresses our troubles with being undersized.
-He's quick for a man his size, and would be able to perform well in our system
-His upside is untapped
-Incredible strength making him a great post player
Cons
-He might be a bit raw and unrefined, which will probably lead to another a.r. situation. See: bench.
Al-Farouq Aminu - Nigerian
Pro
-He's got a great jumpshot. For a 6-9 player who will most likely end up playing SF that's integral.
-He's incredibly quick and athletic.
-Post game isn't all too bad
-He descends from Nigerian kings. This guys is royalty, and that worked out for Prince Mbah a Moute. I think royal blood is more oxygenated or something
Cons
-He's kind of a thug though and may bring negative issues to the locker room and team as a result. He reportedly shot a woman with a bb gun in a driveby. Really? Drive bys with bbs? a woman?
Brandon Jennings - Not foreign but plays for an Italian Club Team
Pros
-He's a point guard. Yes! A point guard!
-"Exceptional vision and passing ability … Makes everyone around him better"
-He is known for his competitiveness
-You could argue that experience on an international team is more meaningful than college experience.
-Him and marco would gel instantly
Cons
-Although he's known for making others around him better, he is primarily recognized as a scoring point guard. Do we need another scorer?
-6'1" 170 lbs. If we go with Monta for next year at sg based on this pick we'd have a pretty small backcourt adding to our defensive problems
-He's Marcus William's cousin. Really.
-He's not actually foreign
Ricky Rubio
Is he even in the draft, I have no idea? I do know that drafting him would require a buyout from his team in Spain. That's a hefty price to pay for a rookie, even if it is ricky rubio. However, he's a playmaker and spectacular one. We could use that right now, even though his jumpshot and strength might not be quite where we need them to be.
Like I said, don't know too much about college/foreign basketball so, please, fill in the holes where you see fit. Ok with all this said go ahead make your choice and we can decide on some random foreign to hype up to no end to humor ourselves and pass time in a somewhat productive if not annoying way
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Jennings
Rubio won’t declare, his posting fee is too expensive.
Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
i am sure
nba teams are willing to pay it.
i am sure nba teams are willing to pay it
say that we end up with the 7th pick, that is $2,186,000 for rookie salary. Its a 4.7 million buyout, which brings it close to spending 6 mill for a rookie. Besides, i’m not even sure that its legally allowed by the nba.
i am sure nba teams are willing to pay it
Dang right. We could void Montay and pay Rubio and come out ahead
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Call me crazy, but...
I’m not really sure we need anything. from the draft at least.
PG? Supposedly Monta is now our PG. The warriors seem content with CJ as a backup, and belli and jack can handle the ball.
SG? maybe our most lacking position, assuming we dump crawfish and Maggs stays on the bench. Lets say SJax is our starter, backed up by belinelli. That’s 48 minutes of ballhandling SGs.
SF? K-BOOK!!! Probably not a 35mpg guy, but a solid starter, and with Maggs coming off the pine, we only need him for 20 a night anyway.
PF? Randolph, baby! While we could use an upgrade here, the Warriors are committed to Rudolph, and possibly Wright as well. No reason to impair their growth until we know how good they can be.
C? We got beans, man. we got beans. and a side of ronny.
Add in Morrow as well from the bench, and we’re doing alright. I’m not really sure how the draft is going to improve us at any of those positions. It will just clutter us up more and leave us still having the problem of Randolph playing 25 minutes one night and getting a “DNP-CD” the next. Let the kids play. We’ve shown (dallas, anyone?) that we can be good.
What do we do if we draft Hasheem Thabeet? Move Biedrins to PF? Give Thabeet 15mpg, move Ronny to PF, and eliminate Wright from our rotation (well, that options not too horrible). What if we draft Jennings? Use him as a pg for monta, and waste a backup on 10mpg? Move monta back to SG, and end up with another logjam at the 2 and 3 guard positions?
I just don’t see this draft helping us.
I meant to say
“Use him as a backup for monta and waste a lottery pick on 10mpg?”
i apologize
for my pathetically worded point. I really need to edit my comments, especially if i’’ve just fallen asleep, and woke up to check Gsom :).
Earlier, someone took the time to explain that the best available overall option is the best pick oerallfor a lotto team in the situation that we’re in. I cant convince myself that player x (in my case thabeet) won’t manage to lead us to finding incredible results within the context ouf our system.
even if these position don't help improve OUR needs
and i don’t actually agree that they don’t. With a team that gets the lottery pick, the option is best available and best available only. While its helpful to consider what option makes you a better in the short run, the player that is the best overall is the best option by far. Ok, here is where i differ from the majority. The majority says AB is our most solid and consistent basketball player based on what’ve i gathered. Now whether i/anybody agrees with (its a secondary point) we’re trying to win games and become competitive ppl like flashfire are paying to go see a team lose the majority of its games, Fans have become so disillusioned that rooting for a loss is tthe only thing them hope (myself included within the tanking group)
If the drft pick is truly talented than i believe you should turn that player into the team focus and redefine and retain the players you want to to keep around to in the pick’s growth/who will benefit from this addition.
I agree
Which is why I don’t think we need to tank. Here are some reasons why we don’t need to tank:
- Monta Ellis has missed 50 games.
- We have a winning record (9-7) when Monta plays.
- Corey Maggette has missed 21 games.
- Stephen Jackson has missed 12 games.
- Andris Biedrins has missed 9 games.
- Brandan Wright and Anthony Randolph have gotten inconsistent minutes.
I think we’ve shown, especially during the win vs. Dallas, that the following lineup can be extremely solid:
PG: Monta/Watson
SG: Jackson/Belinelli
SF: Azubuike/Maggette/Morrow
PF: Randolph/Wright
C: Biedrins/Turiaf
is that lineup really that much worse than Blake/Roy/Batum/Aldridge/Pryzbilla? or an aging Kidd/Barea/Wright/Nowitzki/Dampier??
I really don’t think so.
And I feel you on the finals
I just got home for break.
Which is why I don’t think we need to tank
Tanking has nothing to do with the players we have now, it’s all about getting something for nothing. Any free draft upgrade is money in the bank to improve our team in some manner even if it’s selling the pick to upgrade our scrubs.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a horrible horrible way to look at things
You can’t ignore the fact that one of those players might turn out to be better than anything we have. They may turn out to be a lot better. Saying we don’t need Thabeet because we have Turiaf/Wright or Jennings because we have CJ is just not a good way to look at things.
Even if they don’t fit in our team, those guys will turn out to be valuable commodity. Now, we can realistically talk about getting someone like Bosh or Amare without having to include all the young guys we have now. Perhaps package Maggette, one of those guys, Wright or Randolph or Monta or Biedrins. We might only have to trade one, and opening up to trade 2 plus the draft pick open up the possibility of fishing for a bigger player.
Bottomline is lucking out in the draft will help us one way or another.
This team obviously needs a lot.
It’s nowhere near making the playoffs, it has 20 losses more than wins, and is the seventh worst team in all of basketball. Injuries are no excuse. Kevin Garnett is injured for the Celtics and they have still managed to win 50 games. Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Delonte West were injured for a while, and the Cavs have managed to win more than 50 games.
The Celtics have also had two healthy All Stars all season
Paul Pierce and Ray Allen are no slouches.
The Cavs have this guy called LeBron James. Maybe you should look him up on wikipedia. If he was on our team with Richard Hendrix, CJ Watson, Kelenna, and Rob Kurz starting with him, we’d still have 40 wins.
What exactly is your point?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 18, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
That's my point exactly.
Those teams have other great players, so injuries don’t affect them as much. You have to get good players so that an injury wouldn’t affect you that much. You think Stephen Jackson is going to evolve into Lebron? THe bottom line is that those teams have great teams, and they don’t use excuses as injuries nor do they need excuses because they are winning 50+ games.
So...
We need to get LeBron so that when our below average starters go down, we still have the single greatest player in the NBA to fall back on… god forbid he get injured though, or we’d be screwed! Or we could get 3 future hall of famers so that even if one goes down, we’ve still got two to fall back on (psst, Boston isn’t exactly lighting it up since KG went down, FYI).
How do you suggest the Warriors FO accomplish either:
1. Getting the single best player in the NBA (and keeping him healthy)
or
2. Getting 3 future hall of famers?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 19, 2009 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions
No.
We need good players so that an injury wouldn’t be an excuse for our team not to win games.
How do you get off by referencing two special teams and saying “they weren’t derailed by injuries because they’ve got good players” when you’re referencing one team with the singular best player in the NBA and another team with 3 of the best players in the last decade or more? Show me how we “get good players” like that and I’m on board.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 19, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
And it's not like I'm expecting the Warriors to win every game
Just some of them.
You watch LeBron go down for a month, then let me here you say “Cleveland has good players, so they can handle an injury to their best player and still win games.”
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 19, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
You don't understand what I'm trying to say.
Brady said we don’t need anyone new on our team because our team is good, and I’m saying that the team obviously isn’t good due to the current record and situation. This team needs a lot, and the draft will help us get better players.
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Mar 19, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
We aren't an elite team
We certainly need to improve our talent base, but we have had injury problems that have killed any continuity we could have hoped to develop and has hurt our team’s talent availability and depth throughout the season. We’re not a great team by any measure right now, but we’re the youngest team in the league, we’ve got decent and promising players at every position. A few question marks, but no glaring hole. Draft BPA and be done with it.
Cleveland and Boston are teams that have overcome the injuries they’v had because Clevelands injuries are to peripheral players and Boston has three future hall of famers, not to mention the fact that they’re 7-6 since he went down, a far cry from the 44-11 before he went down. So Boston hasn’t really overcome the injury, and having Delonte West & Big Z miss a few games is not going to derail the LeBron train.
Those teams have singular talents that cannot be duplicated. We need to get better, certainly. Monta needs to actually show he can handle being a playmaker/distributor (big IF), we need to figure out what to do with Jamal, Randolph/Wright need to become competent starters instead of “looking like potential starters in the next year or two”, and we need continuity. In the draft, we need BPA to improve depth and talent, but there’s no real position of need unless Monta proves to be thoroughly incompetent as a PG. Even still, Nellieball doesn’t really need a PG per se, so a scoring playmaker should work out alright.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 19, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
get rid of jackson
if we get rid of jackson and draft jennings this could be are line up
PG:jennings/bellinelli
SG:ellis/morrow
SF:maggs/bukie
PF:randolph/wright
C:beans/turrif
NO to maggs
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
oh
You think Jennings and Maggs starting is better than Jack starting and Maggs off the bench?
Has anyone looked at Jennings’ stats now that he’s not in HS? in the ITALIAN LEAGUE he is averaging 5.8ppg and a measly 2.8apg. In the Euroleague, which is actually credible, he is averaging 1.6 assists. And he’s shooting 38.7% from the field and 26.8% from downtown (and their “downtown” is 3 feet closer than ours). In effect you’re saying trade Jackson for a young guy with attitude problems, who shoots WORSE than Jack does, and averages a quarter as many assists. Then move Monta to a position where he is vastly undersized and cannot defend, and insert injury-prone Corey Maggette into the starting lineup, where he’s proved he’s less productive than the bench.
No no no no no thank you.
Just my $0.02
HOLIDAY!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
and insert injury-prone Corey Maggette into the starting lineup, where he’s proved he’s less productive than the bench.
Do you really think that playing off of the bench has made Corey Maggette a better player? Don’t you think it’s more likely that since his starts came around the time that he was injured that he was playing with an injury which limited his ability while he was starting?
I’m glad that he hasn’t let the idea of being a sixth man effect his performance but I certainly don’t think it has made him a better player. All of his averages line up pretty close when you compare them with his career averages per minute. Plus he is still playing starter minutes so does it really matter all that much?
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Mar 17, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do
Maggette does not understand the concept of ball-movement. The ball stops at him. he generally shoots it. He is a great 1st or second option. He is great playing on the floor with watson, buike, randolph and turiaf. not so much with jackson, monta, beans and crawford.
Really?
It’s not like Nelson clears the bench when he puts Maggette in. He plays plenty of minutes with the starters.
And as for his ball movement. You are right he doesn’t understand ball movement and he is not a good passer. Lucky for us he doesn’t try to facilitate the offense, instead he scores at a very efficient rate, plays passable defense and rebounds the ball well for his position. The guy knows his role and he plays it well. And it doesn’t seem to matter much who is on the floor with him and whether or not he starts the game of comes off the bench. (IMO)
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Mar 17, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is great playing on the floor with watson, buike, randolph and turiaf. not so much with jackson, monta, beans and crawford.
What are his per minute numbers? What are the +/- numbers with those two lineups? How many minutes have those lineups played? Have you even researched anything or are you just going on the “Well, when he stared coming off the bench he started playing better” routine that ignores the fact that he now has two healthy hamstrings? Do you even know what you’re talking about?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 18, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Umm
Yes, actually, I do know what I’m talking about. Maggs has his highest % numbers since his rookie year. Do you really thing, at 29, that his hamstrings are healthier than they’ve ever been?
Some people are just better off the bench. Luke Walton just asked to be benched because he felt he was a stronger asset to the Lakers that way. Look at Ginobili, and the Jet. Do you really think Jason Terry averages 20 ppg as a starter on that team? I don’t.
Jason Terry?
Do you really think Jason Terry averages 20 ppg as a starter on that team? I don’t.
Do you really think that asking questions and then answering them is a tactic that wins arguments? I don’t, it doesn’t make your question purposeful nor does it shed any light on why you feel the way you do.
This year he scores just as much as a starter as when he comes off the bench, and his percentages this year are worse than in previous years with Dallas. Maybe he’s taking more bad shots. Maybe he’s filling in for the scoring void left by Josh Howard. Who knows. But coming off the bench isn’t magically making him score more. He scores more because when he’s on the floor, he shoots more, and less effectively at that.
On Corey, here are two straightforward facts:
1. In the first 35 games of the season, Corey Maggette had injured hamstrings. Sometimes he played and sometimes he didn’t.
2. Since he came back from a 2 week absence to rest his hamstrings, he has not had injured hamstrings.
See how neither of those two statements have anything to do with his age, or his past medical history? Right now, he is healthy. Right now, he’s performing well. In December, he was not healthy. In December, he was not performing well. Referencing his age or that his body is broken down effect projected health, but it has no bearing on the factual aspects of whether or not he was healthy last Tuesday, or in the month of December, 2008.
You still haven’t provided any objective analysis on how well Corey Maggette performs with watson, buike, randolph and turiaf versus with jackson, monta, beans and crawford. You say you know what you’re talking about, I’d like to see your numbers or analysis to back it up. Please don’t just say “Some people are just better off the bench.” again. It gets boring hearing people repeat that mantra over and over again.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 18, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Maggs has his highest % numbers since his rookie year.
What percentage numbers are you talking about? Yes his FG% is up. His 3pt% is down well below his career average. His FT% is about the same. His eFG% is down from last year but still above his career average. His TRB% is just a bit below career average. His True Shooting % is also down a bit from last year but a bit above his career average. I’ve looked at all of these percentage stats and a few others and I still can’t see exactly what you see that leads you to believe that he is better off the bench.
His FG% is the only one that is up by any significant margin and my best guess would be that he is getting more transition opportunities than he has in the past when he was playing in a half court system. He could just be a better shooter this year (though his 3pt% doesn’t really support this idea) but whatever the reason I don’t see why you would chalk it up to coming off the bench.
Thing 2
And your choices for random foreign prospect to hype up to no end to humor ourselves and pass time in a somewhat productive if not annoying way are...
in other words…..are u asking who will be the next Adonal Foyle? haha
They can't stop me!!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag84 on Mar 17, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions
Bust
Hasheem Thabeet=
Michael Olowokandi
Cherokee Parks
Marcus Fizer
Bryant Reeves
Kwame Brown
The guy has bust written all over him. I don’t know if the kid can even walk without tripping on his size 18’s attached to those anemic Dampier chicken legs. Just look at Emeka Okefor when he was at UConn and look at Thabeet. Same position, same school, same NCAA Tournament seeding. Who would you’ve wanted? Okafor or Thabeet? I think everyone knows the answer. Okefor=Average NBA player. Thabeet=below average NBA player.
I say draft a new Owner and President.
I think I agree
But what I really want to know is … who is this year’s Joey Dorsey????
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 17, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Okafor is an above average player.
He’s not great, but he’s pretty good. He’s averaging 14 and 10 on 55% shooting. Bring him to the Dubs where he can play his real position of PF, and he’ll easily be averaging around 18.
Hasheem Thabeet=
Tim Duncan
Wilt Chamberlin
Bill Russel
David Robinson
Dikembe Mutumbo
He’s quiet, but he can be a rock in the middle. Look at those long arms and that imposing presence. Just look at Jake Voskul when he was at UConn. Same position, same school, same tournament see. Who would you rather have? Voskul=below average NBA player. Thabeet=Average to above average NBA player.
Hold on. That looks kinda like your argument, except the exact opposite. How did that happen?
I get it. I hit the “I think Thabeet doesn’t suck” button on the “Reference past players and use their names as justification for why a UConn prospect is going to be a good or bad NBA player” machine. You obviously pushed the “I think Thabeet sucks” button.
We should try it with AJ Price too. Macus Williams or Ray Allen? Humm…
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 18, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Well Thank You Bahhhhston
Great UConn team this year, just like when Okefor was at UConn. Okefor who is average/good in the NBA would have owned Thabeet if those two UConn teams played eachother. Okefor carried that team on his back too.
If Andris is a better than average NBA center, then I guess Okefor might be better than average, but by a slim margin. Thabeet will have to play for 4 years to get to the level of an Andris or Okefor who really aren’t that much to write home about. Thabeet I don’t think will measure up to either of the before mentioned, hence my “I think Thabeet sucks button” as you mentioned. I don’t need hyper analytical statistical breakdowns over comparative data to come up with the fact Thabeet is not all that he is hyped up to be by some sources. I hope he is a beast in the NBA and can help someone out, but I don’t think he will or at least for a long time.
So, it's like your opinion...
Seemingly based on looking at him, or maybe watching him play a game or two… without actually evaluating what he does on the floor (because if you did that, you’d have some evidence to back up your opinion).
Okefor who is average/good in the NBA would have owned Thabeet if those two UConn teams played eachother.
You say this like it’s a fact, but it’s not, and you’ve got nothing to back it up. It may or may not be true, but saying something doesn’t make it useful commentary or interesting to read. Thank you for admitting it in this post, but your last post seemed like you were trying to cite past players as “evidence” that Thabeet isn’t going to be very good. You’re entitled to your opinion, and thank you for explaining why you hold that opinion.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 19, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
DFIB
This isn’t a debate, so put your RedBull down and take a breath. It’s my opinion, yes you’re right. I don’t need to justify why a player is good or bad when stating my opinion. I’m sorry if you feel it isn’t useful to have an opinion or interesting to have an opinion without endless information to back it. Go take your Pete’s Wicked Ale, baked bean, cream pie eating, pink Ralph Lauren polo shirt, no sock Sperry Topsider wear’n Bahhhhston opinion and shove it. Is that enough info to back up the fact that you annoy the sh*t out of me every time we converse? Say good bye to Thabeet for me when he leaves your place tonight.
Woah there cowboy
Go take your Pete’s Wicked Ale, baked bean, cream pie eating, pink Ralph Lauren polo shirt, no sock Sperry Topsider wear’n Bahhhhston opinion and shove it.
You forgot about my popped collar, the stanky hockey gear in the trunk of my SUV, and my lobstah, but who’s counting.
Sorry if I offended you with my attempts at dry humor. Maybe next time I’ll just say “Why do you believe that? OH, no reason? OK, let’s agree to disagree, but thanks for sharing. You’re awesome gabezgsw!”
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 20, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for sharing!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 20, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Very good Sleepy. Adleman has not yet realized the power of Joey Dorsey. Maybe next year when TMac and Yao go down with injuries, Dorsey will get some love.
to those of you much mentioning much better picks
these were all foreign prospects…to revive something akin to the yi movement. it was a spinoff of AB1’s post from a few days ago.
Imo, griffin blows everyone on this list out of the water

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