Polling GSoM: Was Robert Rowell right about overriding Chris Mullin's 3 year $39 million extension for Baron Davis?
by Atma Brother ONE on Mar 17, 2009 6:30 AM PDT
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Tonight the best player to suit up in a Golden State Warriors jersey since Latrell Sprewell's All-NBA First team outing back in 1994, returns to the Roaracle. It's a somewhat bittersweet return for Baron Davis. You can't forget the short-lived, but wildly exciting BoomRich pairing (shout out to 510 Entertainment) which only a fool would break up, the unBELIEVEable destruction he did to the Dallas My Little Ponies, putting it in that flat top, the last gift that never fully materialized, and of course that beard. The post Boom Dizzle Dubs era has not been kind to Baron and has left the golden faithful counting lotto balls a month before the NBA season is even over.
There's a lot of resentment within Warriors Nation towards one man for BD's departure from Clippers North (Golden State Warriors) to Warriors South (LA Clippers). Fairly or unfairly Robert Rowell has been demonized essentially for nixing Chris Mullin's 3 year $39 million extension offer for Baron Davis this past summer.
Looking at Baron Davis' lackluster performance this season with the LA Clippers and their Clipper-like win total, it's hard to argue that Rowell was wrong about using his veto powers and Mullin was right about inking BD to that extension.
Looking at the Golden State Warriors' performance this season without Baron Davis and his proven success running Nellieball, it's hard to argue that Mullin was wrong about keeping BD for 3 more years at that salary and Rowell was right about running him out of town.
Jump for two sides of the debate where I hopefully make a little more sense.
We should have kept BOOMing:
- I'm a sucka for his Boomness. I genuinely like the guy and my dear friends who know him far better than I do have vouched for him on numerous occasions. I personally would've resigned him. I would've ran the Warriors supposed young duo destined for greatness, Monta Moped Ellis and Andris Biedrins, out of town way before I let Baron defect to La-La land.
- As the Warriors have found out the hard way this season, point guards and facilitators with high assist to low turnover ratios (that wouldn't be Stephen Jackson) do not grow on trees. BD might not have made it to the All-Star squad during his 3.5 year stint here in the Bay, but on any given night he could hang with any superstar in the league. There was a reason we all chanted M-V-P when he was shooting FT's.
- It's not like the extension was going to shackle the Warriors to BD well into his 30's and past his prime (ahem, Robert Rowell's inane Stephen Jackson extension earlier this season). When you put that salary rate per year in the larger NBA salary context, that really isn't that much dough for a guy who helped rescue this sorry franchise and still had plenty left in the tank.
This was less than 2 years ago folks. 2 years.
Defending Rowell (which I hate to do):
- Chris Mullin is the same "genius" who thought it was a good idea to sign Adonal Foyle for 6 years $42 million, Derek Fisher for 6 years $37 million (see Worst FA's since 1996), and then extend Troy Murphy for 6 years at $60 million and Mike Dunleavy to a 5 year $44 million deal before they were even restricted free agents. Let's say you're the president of a basketball franchise and were there mainly to keep the cash flowing, not make the basketball decisions which you honestly aren't qualified to assess. Would you listen and trust this same guy when he tells you to extend an enigmatic, moody, and injury prone player for a big money extension after all those silly contracts he advised you to ink earlier? I'm not saying I agree with the veto, but I can see why Rowell didn't value Mullin's input here and believed that if Mullin thought it was a good contract deal, it probably wasn't.
- Again I'll pass the mic to Clipper Steve to voice the frustration of Clipper fans with BD's performance this year:
I'll tell you this much - Tracy McGrady has been terrible this year, and is having micro fracture surgery after 12 long, hard seasons in the league, and he'll be 30 before he plays basketball again. TMac's career may be over. And I'd trade Baron Davis for him in a nanosecond.
- Have you seen the numbers Baron has put up this season in a Clips' jersey? Milk Carton: Boom Dizzle.
- How good can BD really be right now if less than a month ago half of you wouldn't even trade a 6th man and now non-NBA player for him? I know fans tend to overrate their own players, but that's pretty telling.
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yawn
Let it go. You’re like the FoxNews of gsom. We all hate the front office for the many years of stupidity, but this was the right move from every angle you look at it. The subsequent moves? Not so much.
We were gambling w/BDiddy. He played hard for us. But, when you’re up in a casino…you need to know when to walk away. That was the perfect time, and his “performance” in LA has validated that. Seriously. Foxnews. Stop.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Mar 17, 2009 6:58 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Did you even read the article I posted? I see the reasoning behind both Mullin’s extension and Rowell’s veto. I would’ve extended, but it’s hard to say that that the let-him-go camp was utterly wrong.
by Atma Brother ONE on Mar 17, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
but it’s hard to say that that the let-him-go camp was utterly wrong.
Not for me….They were utterly wrong!! Boom woulda had a great time teaching Rudolf and Morrow how to play. Look what he did for Dris’s game.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, i did indeed read the entire article
I read this website every morning at around 9 AM central time, fairly thoroughly w/my coffee in hand. Love this website, and y’all keep me going thru the day.
After 200 votes, it looks like I’m the a-hole. The community at large has somehow come to the decision, at an incredible 75/25 majortiy, that Rowell was wrong. That number is about right. I come here for about 25% of the commentary and insight..the other 75% is crap. Baron not being resigned will go down as one of like The Three Bright Spots of 08-09. It just makes good bball AND financial sense. You had the feeling that he was a contract year guy, that he wanted to be closer to home, and that you ran the risk of him getting injured. So far, he’s been an unmitigated cluster4k of a signing. I guess..in the future…he could redeem himself?
You’re asking about the extension, and the answer is right there. If you want to talk about who is stupider between Rowell and Mullin, that’s another discussion for another main page post. But, in regards to this extension, Rowell made the right decision. There really is no evidence in the contrary…your points are more like “eh, well, you know, sometimes, he’s the shiznit.” It’s fairly clear cut, but the 75% east bay dwelling fans opinions say otherwise.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Mar 17, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Still...
Look at the money we spent on extending Stephen Jackson’s contract. Look at all the money we spent on Corey Maggette. 3/39 isn’t really all that much considering the impact Baron has on the franchise. I doubt Stephen Jackson will have that same impact later on in his contract.
by Precise Films Productions on Mar 17, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please reread my post
k thx
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Mar 17, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
k your welcome.
I read this website every morning at around 9 AM central time, fairly thoroughly w/my coffee in hand. Love this website, and y’all keep me going thru the day.
That’s awesome. I read this site on random times. Usually if I wake up early and have some extra time to kill before school, I see what’s up on Golden State of Mind (along with other websites).
After 200 votes, it looks like I’m the a-hole.
Not really, but it does show how awesomely cool you are because you’re different. I don’t like following other people as well, i’m a trendsetter, so it’s a good thing whenever i’m different.
Woah, I didn’t know that the word “awesomely” is a real word. lol After I typed it, there wasn’t a red line under the word that indicates a misspelling. haha, weird.
The community at large has somehow come to the decision, at an incredible 75/25 majortiy, that Rowell was wrong.
Duh, NBA fans tend to love the best player and character of their favorite team. When their favorite player is getting restricted from staying with their team the fans get upset.
That number is about right. I come here for about 25% of the commentary and insight..the other 75% is crap.
That’s what you think. Yeah, the people who voted in favor of Mullin are crap because they don’t have the same opinion as you. This is a forum, but I guess your opinion is best, what everyone else has to say is probably irrelevant to you, but at the same time you probably expect everyone else to love what you have to say. Yeah I assume too much, oh well.
Baron not being resigned will go down as one of like The Three Bright Spots of 08-09. It just makes good bball AND financial sense.
Yeah it was a great move. Instead of giving Baron 3 years and 39 million, we use 50 something million on Corey Maggette and spend more money by extending Stephen Jackson. What a trade off.
You had the feeling that he was a contract year guy, that he wanted to be closer to home, and that you ran the risk of him getting injured.
So he basically revitalized the franchise, embedded swagger on the team, helped Golden State gain more respect and recognition, made the fans happy etc. because he was a contract year guy. Cool. He’s proven that he can play at least 75 games when he has a good supporting cast to work with, especially with the teammates that he had on the Warriors. That’s good enough to make me want to keep him on the team for at least 3 years and 39 million.
So far, he’s been an unmitigated cluster4k of a signing.
I just feel so bad that he’s trying hard to figure that damn Clippers team out. haha. He’s out there clueless when he could have just stayed in Golden State to continue with his great play. He mentions how everyone there is too laid back, whereas in Golden State his teammates played with so much emotion that it made it so easy for him to run the team and help win games. Oh well.
I guess..in the future…he could redeem himself?
Umm dot dot dot, maybe……………… maybe not…………………………………………… who knows?
You’re asking about the extension, and the answer is right there.
Where?
If you want to talk about who is stupider between Rowell and Mullin, that’s another discussion for another main page post.
yay.
But, in regards to this extension, Rowell made the right decision.
Oh, so it’s a fact now. okay.
There really is no evidence in the contrary…your points are more like "eh, well, you know, sometimes, he’s the shiznit."
Duh, that’s because he was the “shiznit” when he played for Golden State. Have you been living under a rock during his time with the Warriors? 2007??
And what are your points? “Oh he sucks on the Clippers. We have a better record without him and we spent our money on better things like Maggette, Turiaf who took playing time away from Wright and Randolph in the beginning of the season but Turiaf’s shotblocking skills will definitely help us go far in the 2009 NBA Playoffs, and a guarantee that Jackson will be a Warrior when he’s past his prime. yay”.
It’s fairly clear cut, but the 75% east bay dwelling fans opinions say otherwise.
Of course your opinion will be clear cut to you. Everyone else’s opinions are crap.
k done rereading you post.
yeah i know, i’m weird and i can’t comprehend other people’s posts and missed the whole point of your opinion. im an idiot and you couldn’t have said it any better yourself.
by Precise Films Productions on Mar 17, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Precise Films Productions on Mar 17, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so much deconstruction
so little attention paid.
You said:
Look at the money we spent on extending Stephen Jackson’s contract. Look at all the money we spent on Corey Maggette. 3/39 isn’t really all that much considering the impact Baron has on the franchise. I doubt Stephen Jackson will have that same impact later on in his contract.
I asked you to reread my original post thingy. Where I said:
this was the right move from every angle you look at it. The subsequent moves? Not so much.
Better?
**WE DESERVE**
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Mar 18, 2009 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let it go?
So this is Baron’s first time coming back to Oracle and you want Atma to write a dull preview of the game instead? okay.
by Precise Films Productions on Mar 17, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats with FOX News?
I’m trying to see the correlation between BD and FOX News.
by gabezgsw on Mar 17, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knock Knock
Who’s there?
9/11
9/11 who?
YOU SAID YOU’D NEVER FORGET
by Calamity on Mar 17, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gambling with Baron.
Not really, how would one know for sure that we would completely suck if he stayed in Golden State? Just because he doesn’t perform well for the Clippers under Dunleavy SR it means he would suck so bad in Golden State under Don Nelson? He already mentioned how much he has to try to figure out that Clippers team; he said that all his teammates there are laid back whereas in Golden State the team was so emotional that it made it easier for him to ride on it and lead the team.
And who cares about a damn casino. Anyone can add a simple comparison to make their opinion/statement look better. lol.
Baron Davis on the Warriors was like a runner in the lead of a race and close to making it to the finish line. You don’t just quit the race when you’re already close to accomplishing the lead…. you have to go to the damn finish line!
Or for some f*cking humor. Baron should go back to Golden State this offseason to pick up where he left off in the Bay Area. The comparison:
- - Look at Pamela Anderson, everyone loved her when she had her boob job which made her look good (like Baron performing incredibly great in Golden State after a trade happened to land him there).
- - All of a sudden she wanted to be natural and decided that she didn’t need the implants, eventually deciding to get rid of them (like Baron “wanting” to go to his natural home in LA and leaving Golden State).
- - When she got rid of the implants, people didn’t really care about her too much, and she didn’t get much hype towards her anymore, it was like she declined (like Baron not being any good anymore once he joined the Clippers and now no one thinks he’s good anymore).
- - Once she realized this, she decided to get implants again. She regained her bust and everyone started liking her again. (This means that Baron should go back to the Warriors so he’ll be good again!)
Lol yeah that wasn’t funny at all. It was incredibly stupid and a complete waste of your time to read. But as you can see, I am completely bored right now on a Tuesday afternoon and I could give a damn about making sense right now. ahh oh well.
by Precise Films Productions on Mar 17, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a hard question to answer
would BD have been as bad on the warriors? injuries, yeah, but he just doesn’t seem to care on the clips. i think it’s fair to say that he would have had a better season on the dubz. a good enough one to justify that contract? i’m not sure actually; i i think we’ll have to wait until sometime next year really answer than question.
by Run Dubz on Mar 17, 2009 7:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not really that hard to answer.
Baron already proved that he can stay healthy when he has a good supporting cast to work with.
Look at the 06-07 season. The only reason he was out for 3 weeks was because he was rehabbing from knee surgery he took midseason. Even then, he came back ASAP and led the Warriors to a 16-5 run to end the season while they had the toughest remaining schedule in the league.
During that season, all of his teammates were getting injured and Baron had to work extra hard just to make up for the lack of production from his teammates. His knees couldn’t handle it. J-Rich was out for 2 months, the bench was depleted, Troy and Mike were garbage, etc.
And then you look at the 07-08 season, with a decent supporting cast, Baron was able to play all 82 games. And when you look at the depth we have this year, i’m pretty sure he could have maintained that durability for at least 75 games.
And yes, he doesn’t really care on the Clippers. He was better on the Warriors team that he was on. He mentioned that it was better on the Warriors because of their emotion. Al Harrington played to the crowd, Stephen Jackson was really loud, etc; he used all that to bring the team together and go crazy on the court. But on the Clippers, he mentions that all his teammates are just laid back.
by Precise Films Productions on Mar 17, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It shows we miss Baron
But it’s a gamble that I personally would not want to take. He played 82 games for us last year, but that’s only because it was a contract year. History has shown that that signing probably would not have been a smart one.
by Golden Boy on Mar 17, 2009 7:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
He is not committed to the team, he is not worth what he got by the Clippers. The Clippers dont even want him anymore.
You are obsessed with him, atleast you have come to terms with that, but he was not right for Golden State. He had a run, but for us to keep moving forward we had to let him go.
Look at Artest and Sacramento. He won a couple playoff games with the Kings also, AGAINST the Spurs. Kings werent looking to extend him either. Because they know what he is.
This is why I keep laughing when you guys try and kill Rowell. Rowell saved our team from another 10 years worth of horrible contracts by Mullin. I dont think he ever took an economics class at St. Johns. Thats why no extention for him, so you can wave him goodbye.
by sjboy on Mar 17, 2009 8:22 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm always going to be a Mullin fan
But your analogy was admittingly hella funny.
by Golden Boy on Mar 17, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kings did not extend Artest
because they are rebuilding from ground zero and he does not fit into their long-term plans. It is not because they “know what he is.” By the way, he is doing very well for Houston and is helping them win games, not lose.
The Clippers don’t want Baron because he does not fit in Dun’s slow motion, half court offense. Even though there is no way to predict what his numbers would be like this year if he stayed, you cannot deny that his presence would have helped to alleviate the loss of Ellis earlier in the year.
by misterjennings on Mar 17, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowell saved our team from another 10 years worth of horrible contracts by Mullin.
So signing Maggette and Jackson until they retire was a good move? Rowell is a joke. How was he not right for Golden State? He’s the PERFECT player in this system. Unfortunately, money talks so he left. He’s the only one who could keep Jackson in check when he got out of a control (Suns game).
Like misterjennings mentioned, Artest is helping them WIN. Baron hasn’t done anything for the Clippers. Not saying I liked all of Mullin’s decisions either, but Rowell is just as bad, if not worst.
by Captain Jack on Mar 17, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is
Jackson if you havent seen lately is top 5 in league scoring post All-Star game. He is a STUD. as I posted in another post, you cant just leave the animals all by themselves, you need an Alpha Dog around to keep them tame, besides the owner ( Coach Nelson ).
Maggette was a little overpaid, but you ALWAYS overpay in free agency.
Again, I like our situation alot better then Clippers. Clippers have no future, the warriors atleast have lots of young talent developing, and interesting pieces that in the future teams will be interested in.
Camby? Old. Randolph? Punches people, and cant rebound. Davis? Fat, Hurt, half man, half a season. Oh and dont piss him off coach! Kaman? Poor man’s Andris Biedrins, just older. Thornton? This dude is pretty good, but shoots WAY too many jumpers. Gordon? Yeah good piece, but he is 100% scoring thats it. Oh and he is already falling in love with the 3.
So you see… were in good shape. we should just have this stickied somewhere. I tell you, I have to make one of these posts once a week. Then people forget, and I have to remind them.
YES NEXT WEEK, WELL STILL BE SORRY AND YOUNG. GIVE IT LONGER THEN this season PLEASE.
The Eiffel Tower wasn’t built in 1 day.
A team with KOBE BRYANT didnt make the playoffs, now look at them.
by sjboy on Mar 17, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not call Jackson a Stud
He leads the league in turnovers, has a terrible FG% and whines like a baby.
His passing is really good for a forward but a stud he is not.
by Calamity on Mar 17, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Boom
why is the poll closed with zero votes?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 17, 2009 8:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hell to the YES
Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on Mar 17, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope, it was a mistake
First of all, I don’t think Davis would have performed as bad for the Warriors in a familiar system that fits him well, with familiar team mates who fit him well.
Second of all, even if he had a down year due to injuries, there are still two more, and I don’t think he’s too old to be good in the Warriors’ system.
Third of all, if worst came to worst, it would only have been a three year contract. I bet Baron would have had at as positive an affect on the team as Magette has this year (also being injured) yet I would have liked Baron’s 3 year contract more.
by freerandolph on Mar 17, 2009 9:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he showed a real lack of professionalism agaisnt denver down the stretch. I wanted baron gone then. If you are hungover in the biggest game of the season, how can a team trust you. Theres many allstar level players w/ baron-attitude type problems in past, in the league (iverson, ’sheed, etc) but i couldnt imagine any of them doing that.
that all said, i do miss watching him play… he’s best player warriors have had since Cweb :-/. Still dont want him back though
by tafkasam on Mar 17, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree 100% we have to move on without him, the team has a good future if they can keep the young players for a chance!!! Mullin should be resigned, hes made mistakes but has done a nice job!!!!
by WarriorSFC on Mar 17, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it was just a money grab
Go to Cliptown, get the biggest contract on the table, play like crap, get traded to a playoff contender because you are killing another franchise.
In the meantime, he gets to live in his hometown and enjoy the LA night life.
by warriorsvictim on Mar 17, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
YES, but.....
he was wrong in signing maggette 4 that much. I like corey, but we overpaid and it will keep us from signing better players.
by tafkasam on Mar 17, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What makes you say
We would have signed a better player anyways. Even when given opportunities it seems we squander them away half the time. I don’t really know why. Maybe I just don’t understand nba money and caps and all that jazz but I’ve accepted Corey. shrugs
by GoldenStateGuerrero on Mar 17, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying i would have waited
whenever the warriors have money they immediately go spend it like its burning a hole in there pocket. I would have rather signed a couple midlevel guys for a year (yes they would have been below corey maggete quality) and tried our chances the following season. We werent going anywhere w/ corey… and now we definitely aren’t.
We could have made a run this summer or at the trade deadline when teams were dumpnig contracts for exprising ones.
It just made little sense to me. Maggette is a good player but overpaid… its really hard to win in nba if u mess up signings because cap is so small there isnt room for much error
by tafkasam on Mar 17, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miss you BD!
With the product that we have now I would throw in the kitchen sink for a hint of leadership. At the very least, signing BD would have justified renewing my season ticket. We lost our swag and respect in the course of 3 months. Thanks Dubs!
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by WarriorNation on Mar 17, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keeping or losing Baron isn't even the issue here.
It is the WAY that Rowell does his business.
1. The guy has no respect for the fans. He’ll take down your name and number, give you the smile, and then snub you.
2. Holding Ellis in limbo AFTER he has been punished. This one counts as two because he is trying get away with double jeopardy AND it he has irritated Ellis to the point of wanting to leave. Congratulations on alienating your franchise player. Then taking the wind out of your own argument by putting him on the floor to play.
3. Sjax, but not Baron? Indeed this man operates on double standards.
4. Watching him answer reporters’ questions without prepared answers is like watching teeth get pulled.
5. He usually sidesteps the issue in question rather than give straight answers.
6. Brags about how long he has been with the Warriors. When confronted that he hasn’t put good teams on the floor he will refer to the two winning teams the MULLIN put together.
7. Openly treating the Warriors as a “product” rather than basketball. If there was a Santa Claus the Rowell would be the Grinch. Instead he just tells you there is no Santa Claus.
8. Listening to his answers is like getting MY teeth pulled. I’ve never seen someone take so much of the magic out of BBall.
9. Waiting until Baron accepted the deal before coming back with a third offer that not only lowballed him, but was a swift kick in the nads. It was something like 2 years with a team option on the 3rd, and a huge proportion of the money was tied up in incentives. It was an insult to take it off the table and rework the entire thing.
10. Rowell’s treatment of Mullin is inexcusable any way you look at it. Even if you are a Mullin hater.
11. Bidding against………. ourselves for Maggette. We could have had Maggette for 8 million. Rowell screwed us there.
12. THE WEB OF LIES and the PR ninjaism. I know that the Warriors hire bloggers and PR staff to hype their image on the net. That just sickens me. There are some on GSOM. I don’t know who you are because I don’t read your apologist “BUY TICKETS” hype, but you cockroaches know who you are.
13. Just the fact that you can tell Rowell is lying when he speaks. Nothing actually seems genuine or tangible.
14. “A great time out” was his marketing ploy (he implemented it as head of marketing). This not only reflects the apathy of the organization towards putting a competitive team out there, but it IS a part of the reason the Warriors have 1 playoff season in 15 years of SUCK.
15. His inability to reconcile differences with the fans or the players. Never an apology for consistently falling short of expectations.
16. Rather than putting the moped money where it counts (with renewing season ticket holders), Rowell chose to use it as part of a strategy to fill un-purchached seats. So renewing STH’s actually see very little savings.
17. WE DESERVE better than Rowell.
Let’s start the “WE DESERVE” movement right now.
I forgot to mention that Rowell was “groomed” for the job by Cohan. Rowell had no applicable experience when he joined the team. Rowell is the biggest tool in Cohan’s shed.
by Nuck Chorris on Mar 17, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 9 recs
rec'd for overall truth
nitpick:
the two winning teams the MULLIN put together.
that was more in spite of his own stupidity
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Mar 17, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair nuff.
I knew someone would pick that one out.
Oh yah, Rowell is a “Power Broker”
There’s not much of a human element in anything the guy does.
by Nuck Chorris on Mar 17, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i nitpick
because i care
lol @ his human element…his interviews come off weird even in print, let alone when you actually hear him speak.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Mar 17, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I've had better hot dogs at little league games
and paid 1/2 the price.
by Nuck Chorris on Mar 17, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...
Sjax, but not Baron? Indeed this man operates on double standards.
This is the one that has had me boggled all season. Don’t resign Baron for 3 years then offer $100 mil to Brand AND Arenas. I didn’t understand the logic then and it’s even more difficult now.
BTW this article is full of good stuff – not sure if its been posted.
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
by triplesix on Mar 17, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOOD ARTICLE +1000000
JRich 23
by warriorsalltheway on Mar 17, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
On its face, it was a bad move because you’d rather have Baron at 3 / 39M than Maggette at 4 / 50M. But once you think about it a little more, it’s a ludicrous move because they were willing to risk Arenas agreeing to the 105M offer (or Brand, for that matter, which I think I’d forgotten about). What would have happened if he’d actually taken the offer, and they were saddled with that contract while he missed another full season?
by neilla on Mar 18, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm on board with WE DESERVE
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"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Mar 17, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That WE DESERVE movement
could essentially pick up some steam. I can see an Atlanta Hawks game-like lower bowl and an upper bowl filled with fans with WE DESERVE t-shirts.
by Mr. Monday Night on Mar 17, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the contract offers to arenas and brand (players both more synonymous with injury than baron) should be mentioned somewhere in that litany of hate against this team’s bane
there was no reason to deny baron that conforms with any reason to offer massive boondoggle contracts to those two
and atma- baron might be having a terrible season, injuries aside, his terrible numbers are, most likely, due in part to joining a team that is not only coached by baron’s antithesis but has more top down issues then we do in oakland. i mean, they have, what, three starting centers? i bet it’s hard to get good numbers when your front office is so foolishly and your coach forces you to play a style that doesn’t fit your game
by so ill so d0pe on Mar 17, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+! NC
Rowell is a fucking disease to this organization and will continue to drive the franchise into the ground. “Liar” is putting it lightly, man. “Complete power-hungry, kniving, back-stabbing, non basketball jerk off” is a little more to my taste.
The only thing that Baron could have done this offseason, other than sign with the Clippers, was to exercise his 17 million dollar option. Which would have been fine by me. And really, 3 years at 39 million is almost chump change for what Baron’s true wotrh is. The Clippers obviously paid way too much for Dizzle and I’m not sure how that whole situation will play out…..but I’d take BD back in a heartbeat if the Clips were willing to take some salary in exchange.
Sadly, the only guys that the W’s could trade right now would be Monta or Maggette. I actually am a Mags fan and Monta is still gonna be a hell of a player but it seems like the backcourt is still a big giant question mark….
kind off like the future of this entire organization. Oh, and don’t even get me started on Nellie………fucking retire already, dude! Go Dubs!
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by mrod on Mar 17, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis
I think the Ws had gotten the best of Davis they were going to get. He could have hung around and proved that wasn’t so. The Ws clearly need a star player, but I wouldn’t have gone for the 3-year deal. Davis is just too unpredictable. Nellie got two good years out of him. We should count ourselves lucky. People say the Jackson extension is a mistake. It is wizadry when compared to signing Baron for three years. Jackson takes care of his body. And Baron?
by Marques8 on Mar 17, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NO!
Mullin was right in offering Baron an extension and trying to move forward w/ this team. We had the We Believe playoff team for half a season and a watered down version for one season after that. Even though we didn’t make the playoffs, 48 wins is no joke! We were a good team, with the ability to stand toe to toe with the best. Even if we did have the full playoff team with Jason Richardson last year and a better record, I still think we woulda still been able to draft Randolph… based on they way he was dropping in the draft.
I’m w/ Atma… Whether people like to believe it or not, that was the best team we’ve seen in a decade + of Warrior basketball. So why the F do you try rebuilding afterwards… and do a poor job doing that? Sign Maggette? Extend Jackson? Trade Harrington for Crawford? (which wouldn’t be a problem but Crawford’s contract is one year longer than Harrington’s) Let Pietrus & Barnes walk and sign with other teams for cheap contracts and watching them be as productive elsewhere? Sign D-Leaguers and undrafted rookies because no free agents want to come here (outside of the money grabbing Maggette)? How stupid can you get? Just when you are strengthening your fan base and getting nationally televised games, you blow it all up to start over… and when you do start over, you F up the salary so much that you’re financially tied to this mediocre team filled with 2’s and 3’s.
Give me Baron Davis and Jason Richardson over Jamal Crawford and Corey Maggette any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
by Mr. Monday Night on Mar 17, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
dude
You’re right, that was a great team that when on a great run. And we all feel a very sentimental bond with it. Unfortunately, it was not possible to keep it together from an economic point of view. An investment in Baron Davis was not a sound investment. I contend that Mullin went for broke when he traded Jrich to try to get the pieces for a KG trade (outcome/truth not important, realy). Either way, you still had Monta and Beans to resign. When you factor in how many miles you’ll get out of two YOUNG guys versus one dude, no matter how central to your team he is, that has a history of being a coach-killer and a malcontent…and its no contest.
That team gave me one of the highlights of my life, having just moved to Dallas for the We Believe playoff run. But…it was what it was, a FLUKE that was too good to be true. Just check Matt Barnes, Baron Davis, Mickael Pietrus et al’s stats since leaving.
The problem wasn’t that we blew up that team to start all over; it’s how we decided to pick up the pieces and “rebuild.”
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Mar 17, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was no fluke
That team went on to win 48 games. Lets not forget that it was their first full year together. A team coming off a huge trade involving one of their core players and still being able to win 48 games. I’m a firm believer in chemistry and this team found it. U don’t fix what aint’ broken. As consumers to this product, we will never be satisfied. We were barking on how to make this good team great. Now we’re not even close to being good. You make changes in regards to hoping that the pieces fit together. They moved a key piece to the puzzle and now the puzzle has collapsed. There was no justified reason to rebuild from scratch regardless of our needs to develop our youth. I would rather develop them under winning circumstances rather than have them learn on their own.
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by WarriorNation on Mar 17, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"There was no justified reason to rebuild from scratch"
That’s where we disagree.
Chemistry is all well and good, but who was it that was hungover and quit on us the last week of the season? Bdiddy. Wasn’t it weird how he was benched in the fourth qtr of that Suns game? I dont have a link to it…but reports came to light that Baron bailed on this team. Even w/a hodge podge of players/lineups/injuries, Nelson has managed to engineer the highest scoring team in the league…would you say that’s crazy good chemistry? Not saying I know the answer, but what I am saying is that we have to look beyond the boxscores to see what a team is really made of..
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Mar 17, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you're trying to say...
It is how we decided to pick up the pieces and “rebuild.” But in the process of doing so… Rowell blew up the team and decided to rebuild around youth instead of moving forward with what we had.
Atlanta is a perfect example of a team ready to become the next “Warrior” team… they were talented all around and made a strong showing in the east… and even made the first round matchup v. the Celtics entertaining. When the off season came along… Childress took the first train out of town (and out of the NBA altogether), Smith was ready to leave, and their core was ready to implode because some didn’t like their coach (kinda sounds familiar). What they did was salvaged what they had, kept Smith and now they’re on their way to the 4th seed in the East (probably on the bubble for 50 wins). We coulda had something similar to that with our playoff W’s… sentimental or not.
As for our improbable playoff run… You say tomato… I say tomatoe…. It wasn’t a fluke to me. Getting to the playoffs may have been a fluke, as it was a very unrealstic way to steal the 8th seed from where we were at in the standings after the All Star break. But we honestly could have played with any team in the West with our squad. Their scramble defense was an interesting sight and their offense was poetry in motion when the shots were falling. Who knows… we were possibly a Tracy McGrady career game away from making the conference finals… or even a few free throws away from extending the 2nd round series v. Utah.
In keeping the team together… financially was it a risk? Hell yeah! But was it impossible? By all means of the imagination no. They could have New York Knick’d it and paid to keep the core together for at least 2 seasons by calling Bird and Arenas rights on Beans and Monta respectively. On the flip side, the managment team could have reaped the benefits of sell out crowds, national T.V. exposure (to build a nationwide fan base and get the T.V. money) and playoff revenue, along with the merchandise income that comes along with popularity. Would it be plausible financially? Just imagine jacking up the ticket prices because you have a winning team, and actually justifying & maintaining those prices instead of selling upper level seats for $8 each or $15 w/ a $5 jack in a box gift card. If I were the owner, I’d risk the luxury tax for the potential revenue.
by Mr. Monday Night on Mar 17, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with building around youth...
What I am saying is don’t blur the lines. If you’re going to rebuild… do it like Portland, Atlanta, or the Seatt… err.. OKC Thunder. Go with exciting youth and don’t tie your money up in high priced veterans. What we’re doing is rebuilding, but placing vets to anchor the team to make it look exciting enough to sell tickets. Terrible.
by Mr. Monday Night on Mar 17, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BRING BD BACK!
maybe the clips will buy him out and we can get him for half price?
and get rid of maggs?
and have crawford opt out?
and draft a PG that does as well as westbrook/rose are currently doing
wow…how nice it is to dream….
being a warriors fan, all i have to look forward to is the .0001% chance of this dream coming true!
Playoffs next season anyone??
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by LostHawk on Mar 17, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lemme make it a little more clear, my dream
baron would provide the short term help with our glaring problem at the point, while helping the drafted guard get experience in the playoffs etc
we’d use jackson and barons expiring contracts (later) to get a PF or enough value to get a solid PF to either start or be in tandum with wright
we’d in the short term have the playoff quality team in:
baron
ellis
jackson
wright/randolph
andris
and long term we would have the:
drafted PG
ellis
randolph
wright
andris
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by LostHawk on Mar 17, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a playoff team
You also gotta think who we would’ve got for Harrington because it sure wouldn’t have been Crawford.
by Captain Jack on Mar 17, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that we have to realize...
Is whether you liked the extension or not, we essentially traded baron for maggette. One injury-prone 29-year old with a bad contract for another injury-prone 29-year old with a bad contract.
Mullin was right. Mullin was so right. And don’t think for a second Baron would’ve put up his paper-clip stats if he played with the Dubs still.
by bradyk2 on Mar 17, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And by bad contract
I mean large. Baron’s contract was not a bad one.
by bradyk2 on Mar 17, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
When I heard that baron was gone, I thought they would go youth and let Marco develop and see if he was worthy of being a starting PG. But that never happened. That is what really annoys me – you give up your PG, but you don’t try to develop the internal prospects. Rather you trade a pick for another PG that nellie was never going to play.
by mosdl on Mar 17, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leaning Towards...
Leaning towards saying Mullin made a sound offer. BD liked playing for Nellie and his type of system. BD liked living in the Bay Area. BD liked his cast of teammates. BD played well with his teammates. BD had his best years as a Dub. BD basically propelled the Dubs to the Playoffs. With that said, for $13 million a year and the likes of Monta, SJax, Harrington(he wouldn’t of left with BD and a healthy Monta) and Andris as your starting line up, BD would of had more momentum, more inspiration, more of a reason to play hard and win games. Right now, BD has no reason other than guilt, to play hard. On the Dubs, it would have been an entirely different situation. I don’t think BD would have given up on the Dubs like he has for the Clippers.
Maggs $50 Million is a waste. I would have gambled with a proven commodity at $39 Million with the case of BD.
by gabezgsw on Mar 17, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Only thing i have a slight disagreement with is that Maggs is a waste. I shure would have love to have him coming off the bench on last years squad.
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by WarriorNation on Mar 17, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was a tough one
Because the “quitting on us” mentioned above by GameSix represents the one aspect of Baron Davis I did not like about him. He plays well only when motivated, but otherwise, he goes about his own business, as seen by his play at the Clippers. I do remember questioning Baron’s commitment to the Warriors late last season. In that dimension, JRich was a better Warrior, because he brought it even when we sucked. I can see the argument that Baron may have played all 82 games last year because it was a contract year.
So I can accept us not having Baron any more and moving ahead. But despite commitment questions, I think I would have risked a 3 year $39 million extension on Baron, especially if Rowell is willing to risk MORE money on Maggette. Baron knows how to play for Nellie. He CAN be a motivational leader. And if Baron starts to become poison to the rest of the team, he would have been easier to move than Maggette’s current contract.
So I voted No against Robert Rowell on the Baron decision. Even though I questioned Baron’s character, I would have taken the risk.
by IQofaWarrior on Mar 17, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
even after watching him implode on the Clippers?
In the city he wanted to play for to begin with? It’s not a risk, it’s an inevitability that he would break down. As I said in my original resposne…I’m not defending the ridiculous moves thereafter (Mags, crawford, etc).
**WE DESERVE**
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Mar 17, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I haven't watched a Clippers game
but I know my doubts about his character became stronger when he signed with the Clippers and I read how he “hadn’t done his homework” on how coach Dunleavy runs the team. I totally understand your angle, and my vote against Rowell wasn’t an “instant” no. But at the time, I would have risked the Baron extension over Maggette’s contract, because Baron would have had a better chance at playing well with Nellie’s freestyle than with Dunleavy’s study-your-plays system. Today, I don’t want Baron back any more. We’ve closed that chapter, and we’re heading towards tall ball now.
by IQofaWarrior on Mar 17, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear you
but keep in mind, you did not know at the time that the warriors were going to turn around and overpay for Maggette. In a vacuum…eh, I guess we’re not in a vacuum. But still. This was the right move at the right time! CHANGE YOUR MIND haha
**WE DESERVE**
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Mar 17, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems useful for the discussion
* Letting Baron Davis go to the LA Clippers
That was Rowell. As has been discussed by me and others, Mullin negotiated a three-year, $39M extension with Davis, presuming Davis would not opt-out. It had to be approved by Rowell and Cohan, and it was rejected. Rowell insisted on a two-year offer, with the third year tied to Baron’s health, which was unacceptable to Baron.
I think Rowell assumed that Davis would not opt out and that, at worst, the Warriors would get one more year out of Davis. That’s also what I assumed and Don Nelson assumed and everybody in the NBA presumed. Except Baron and the Clippers. Of course, then Elton Brand left for Philly and it all went to hell for three franchises—Warriors, Clippers and Sixers.
* Inking free agent Corey Maggette to a 5 year $50 million deal
Everybody was on board for this one, too, but mostly as a desperation move. Once Baron was gone and Arenas turned down Rowell’s insta-offer of $105M, Rowell and Mullin figured they had to land somebody to put the ball in the bucket and make defenses react. Best player for that they could find: Maggette. His price tag: $50M, to go over the top of San Antonio’s mid-level bid.
by Atma Brother ONE on Mar 17, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Down with Rowell!
When are we going to chase Rowell out of town with torches and pitchforks!?
by GSFranky on Mar 17, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As soon as we can afford torches and pitchforks...
along with the season tickets. That should be their new marketing scheme. Buy a ticket and have the chance to curse out/congratulate Rowell. One lucky fan per game.
by Mr. Monday Night on Mar 17, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it 39M or really 57 M for 4 years?
With the option year added in.
by JSML on Mar 17, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rowell is an Idiot
He needs to go. Cohan, you are alienating the fan base and building a team that cannot make the playoffs. We may surprise a team here or there, but that is because they are playing down to our level. Rowell is not a basketball guy nor does he know even as much as an average fan. He is a money guy who is managing your money very poorly. Let him go, beg Mullin to stay, and you may have a chance to build something special again. Warrior fans got a taste of what it is like when the club is run properly (Mullin), and going forward will not tolerate how it was before. Risk losing lifelong fans who realize as all do that if Rowell continues running the show, there is no hope above mediocrity.
by tig8 on Mar 17, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baron hasn't lost a step.
As witnessed in todays game, Baron still has it. He is just playing in a system that doesn’t showcase his strengths. I can’t believe we turned down a Baron for Maggette and Williams trade. Must have been Rowell’s decision. Maggette is a good guy off the bench, and will get his 15-20 (mostly from the line), but Baron would create double to triple those points from his scoring and passing. Can you imagine him passing to Anthony Randolph, Brandon, Monta etc.. It would be alley-oops, fast breaks all the time.
by tig8 on Mar 17, 2009 10:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baron enjoy L.A. Bye Fizzle Da Boom Dizzle....
Talented yes, charismatic yes, enigmatic sadly yes!
Baron plays only when he want’s to. Baron wouldn’t take a chance on his own health why should the warriors? The core of this team is very young! I still think they have a huge upside the fact is you leader needs be on the floor! Not 50 games a year that just doesn’t cut it! I enjoy watching some of the young players that hopefully we can keep cause we din’t sign 50 game dizzle….
As far as Rowell and Mullen untill we know the real deal I will refrain other than saying …Troy Murphy (max deal) Adonal Foyle (Max Deal) Mike D Jr. (Max Deal) J-Rich (Max Deal)…. would you want them back? I prefer the future…. Being a Warriors fan it’s always about the future… Baron wanted to much cash considering his reliability!!
by samiam2112 on Mar 18, 2009 12:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yup, i'm with the moveon.omg crowd.
baron was a memorable warrior and for that he has my lifelong respect. this is real talk. personally, at the time i would have led a lynch mob to rowell’s house if i knew then what i know now.
but with this first season without baron just about done, i’m no longer whining about what could’ve been more than i’m enjoying what has been (if you call “other teams looking forward to playing us so they can finally score some points” enjoyment). none of this would have occurred with baron.
pretty much everything would be different if baron didn’t go, and i think no one here can argue that. whether the team/organization would be better off if he stayed…? hard to say at this point and the answer is probably subjective either way.
the one hand, if baron stayed then the western conference would be notably different (you’d think) with the warriors likely making the playoff positioning push right now. instead they’re analyzing lottery scenarios and shopping at the bait & tackle store.
on the other, we’ve seen the emergence of a virtual garden of young talent that probably wouldn’t have seen much daylight under boomdizzle’s beard. basicly the entire bench has seen time and has shown at least a glint of promise. think about who else might have stayed if baron did: harrington, barnes, pietrus? dude come to think of it, the entire WORLD may have been different if baron stayed!
but that’s water under the bridge, the hour is late, and we’ve much work to do simply to stay competitive. it’s true that based on baron’s performance this year that i wouldn’t give the clippers kurz and a draft pick for him (ok, maybe a draft pick). it’s also true that i somehow doubt he would’ve put up the same numbers if he was running the dubs this year though.
i vote for reality now. and that campaign says that unless there’s some undiscovered college or overseas’ sleeper that the warriors can scoop up for fairly cheap, then we focus on strengthening strengths and weaknesses and play the wonderful basketball we know we’re capable of.
by karteblanche on Mar 20, 2009 3:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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