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Polling GSoM: Does Monta Ellis have an attitude problem?

The picture that GSoM friends Marcus Thompson and Tim Kawakami have painted is not a good one:

Sources: Monta Ellis unhappy with the Warriors [Contra Costa Times]

Uncertainty, however, hangs over the reason for his departure. Some members of the organization, according to multiple team sources, believe Ellis left for more than a family matter.

Why? Ellis didn't stick around for the team photo, which was taken last Friday before the Warriors' home game against Charlotte. Also, according to the sources, he left with an amount of luggage that suggested he wasn't coming back soon.

Monta Ellis' Departure in Protest? [Inside the Warriors]

Ellis has been showing several signs of discontent lately. He, at times hasn't taken part in huddles. He's been late to shootarounds and practices without so much as an excuse. He's been known to mumble - during moments of frustration on the court, like when he was taken out late in the fourth quarter against Oklahoma City and didn't return - that the Warriors need to trade him.

The Monta Ellis/Warriors Angst: Can either side win here? [Talking Points]

How does either side win in this, presuming there is not a long-lasting happy ending in sight? I don't know, and I don't think the two sides know, either.

Jump for a quick thought...

Star-divide

If Monta's leave is purely based on his mother's health, then this should be a complete non-issue. However based on MT and Kawakami's indications that's only half the story. If that's the case, to tell you the truth I really don't understand what Monta camp's beef is at all.

The Warriors essentially ran two very popular players in Jason Richardson and Baron Davis out of town, so they could build the team around him and the rest of this young core. They showed their commitment to him and his growth as a player and NBA star by quickly rewarding him with a $66 million dollar deal this past offseason. The organization went out of their way to hype him up as a franchise player. As a young player in the NBA what more can you ask for?

Then Moped Gate happened. Monta violated his contract and lied about it. When his camp finally came clean and it became clear that he would be missing substantial time, Chris Mullin and Don Nelson didn't seem to think it was a big deal that Moped Ellis was going to cost the Warriors any chance at the playoffs this season and pretty much just not show up to work for half the season. As an executive that's a very odd thing for Mullin to turn the other way on. As a head coach Nellie publicly has to side with the player. Robert Rowell and Chris Cohan were understandably upset and suspended Monta for 30 games along with a 3 million dollar suspension and threatened to void his contract. I hate to say it as much as the next longtime Warriors fan, but Rowell and Cohan did the right thing here. If anything they were too soft with their punishment. Basically taking a season off isn't fair to Monta's teammates or the fans. That's a big deal. You don't turn the other way on something like that (see Blaylock, Mookie and golf).

When Monta finally came back (after some reports indicated he demanded the Warriors let him play earlier than they would have liked) he was not even close to being the 20.2 ppg (53.1% FG), 5 rpg player that the Warriors inked to that big money deal and wanted to build around. In the 13 games he's played this season to date he's played poorly and put up 13.4 ppg (39.8% FG), 3.9 rpg with a 2.8 apg : 2.5 turnover rate, which makes it difficult to project him as a long term point guard solution. He's been out the past 5 games (possibly much longer?) with ankle issues. The future does not look good for Monta's career and even the biggest optimists can only call his return to the 1 Man Fast Break of 2006-2007 and potential emergence to superstardom a huge question mark at best.

I seriously don't understand what Monta's reported beef with Nellie and Rowell is. He's completely in the wrong here and his contract is looking extremely voidable right now. The Warriors have essentially paid him 8 million this year (via fan money) for absolutely nothing this season. Absolutely nothing.

How does a guy with this horrible stretch of recent months reportedly protest like a prima dona, shun huddles, arrive late to shootarounds and practice, and whine about wanting to get traded when things are tough on the court? Just makes no sense.

 

Also see loyal GSoMer IQofaWarrior's FanShot.

Poll
Does Monta Ellis have an attitude problem?
Yes: Mo Moped Mo Problems
582 votes
No: It's just some overblown media hysteria
317 votes

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Get Rid of this guy

Sure he has all the potential in the world and might be a special player, but his attitude sucks now. The success has sure made his head explode. He’s a cancer in the making. I hope we still have the right to void his contract. 2010’s coming up. Plus, Nelly wants Crawford to opt out…? I know Monta will be a bigger name, but seeing how Monta’s starting to act, I’ll take Crawford over Monta any day of the week.

by Golden Boy on Mar 6, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Need someone to blame?

1. Nelly
2. Rowell
3. Cohen

by Gurthy on Mar 6, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Did they buy him the moped?

Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Mar 6, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just to piss you off

Yes I’ll say get rid of Randolph too.

by Golden Boy on Mar 6, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure your opinion

Is of great consequence to him. I know it is to me.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 6, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said:

Because your opinion is of great consequence to me. You thought I was being ironic? ;-)

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 6, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

You talk too fancy for me sometimes. Like you read the dictionary like it’s a #1 selling novel. But oh well. Not like I’m dying to know what you’re saying anyway.

by Golden Boy on Mar 6, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And another thing...

Just because we were winning some games in a stretch of 13 games with Monta, him having a bad attitude won’t flaw our team in the long run, will it?

by Golden Boy on Mar 6, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We should also remember that we won some games with Monta AT HOME

First part of the season we were on the road constantly, and losing constantly. Home or away is a more important factor in wins and losses this year than Monta or no Monta.

by worldblee on Mar 6, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You want to know what will flaw our team?

Losing the only player we have who is close to star caliber.

You’ve got it mixed up. Losing him now might help the short run (quieting the complainers down)… but in the long run???

In the long run we will have one of the most offensively explosive players in the league. We will have a star who (with Beidrins and hopefully Randolph) the Warriors can build around and expect great things.

Without him we have… uh… Jax? Maggette? Are they stars?

Oh yeah… you said you’d like Crawford over Monta… any day of the week.

So Crawford will be our star. He’s been known to carry teams into the playoffs. Great choice!

by Gurthy on Mar 7, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it is a great choice

Oh yeah, Monta has gotten us to the playoffs, hasn’t he? In ‘07, he wasn’t anywhere near being the #1 option. He was riding the coat tails of Baron, JR, Harrington, and Jax.

by Golden Boy on Mar 7, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya think?

He was like 12 years old then.

Come on man.

Don’t bust out irrelevant situations that don’t relate.

Monta hasn’t had a chance as the #1 guy.

Its really nice to get into discussions with people who can factually back up their ideas with points that make sense.
This discussion is over Golden

by Gurthy on Mar 8, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well said

We need Monta on this team.

Blind eyes can look at me and see the truth!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Mar 6, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my post from the fanshot with something else

I believe Bob Fitz. But at the same time, there may be things that we don’t know that are occuring. There may also be facts that Fitz does not know beyond what Monta has told him. If Monta is fine and this is all bullspit, then Kowakami and Thompson should be publically flogged by every Warriors fan.

Just because you get paid by the word does not mean that you can expand on every little whisper to such an extent that it creates chaos within the team and fan realms.

I can’t believe this bullspit. One year ago I was so happy that the Dubs had the cap space to offer Monta a good contract.

Plain and simple: Monta ruined the freakin season by violating his contract. $3 mil is nothing compared to the money that they would have made if they made the playoffs. Now not only is he behind in his progress, it looks as though he has regressed. Is that not enough? Oh, well how about the fact that he is now acting the opposite of how a team leader should be acting: Like a spoiled little child. This is what happens when these kids come in without a college education and a big head.

Does he not realize that as a person who wants to be a leader he should be working harder to prove his worth to all of:
His teammates
The management
The fans
Himself

He is doing the opposite. He is acting like a spoiled punk, not a man. Some people say that he’s still young and should be forgiven. F that. When I was his age a few years ago I paid for every single mistake that I made with no exceptions or special treatment. Age should not be a factor past 18. Why should he be babied? Because he use to have a first quick step? Being a man is understanding and accepting that your mistake affected more people than yourself and you owe it to prove yourself to those people.

He is only hurting himself by making a scene. How many teams are going to offer a questionable, complaining non team playing undersized 2 guard a contract worth over $10mil/yr? F it, if this keeps up void him, Crawford opts out and we have a chance for a decent free agent in the next few seasons.

The pop ups on this site are starting to piss me off.

by danielholl on Mar 7, 2009 2:05 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It's time to depart with Monta.

Trade him and get some value in return. If not VOID him.
He violates his contract and he’s the one who gets mad at the organization? C’mon now Monta. He has the talent, but his attitude has taken a change for the worse. Sorry Monta homers, but this is the reality of it. It can and probably will get worse in the future.

Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Mar 6, 2009 9:45 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Yup

And it took us 13 years to get back to the playoffs. We don’t need issues like this to make us have another playoff drought.

by Golden Boy on Mar 6, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Jennings Is A Player The Warriors Should Stay Away From

Brandon Jennings if he is drafted by the Warriors then it is definitely time for the Warriors to be boycotted. There are pepople on here complaining about Ellis’s maturity after his moped injury, but take a look at Jennings. His grades weren’t good enough to get into the University of Arizona and instead he followed the trail of money to Italy so he could get paid. Jennings is a guy who’s only concern is about making money. He has struggled horribly overseas and he should stay there until he matures and actually can play the game of basketball. The Warriors don’t need Jennings an immature player who’s only care in the world is about making money.

by Rocky632 on Mar 8, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd
First: I love(d) Monta’s game, pre-mo-ped. A tremendous finisher and great mid-range jump shot.

I expected this season to be full of rust once he got back, but what I didn’t expect was:

- Him insisting on taking every J he could even though it was clear it’s not there yet (costing them possessions)
- the loss of Moncrief to China. It’s seems pretty clear with Monta’s J gone bad, Biedrins free throws going bad again – Moncrief had a positive effect while he was here.

My thoughts exactly. I knew he wasn’t gonna be near 100% but all these sources were saying he was almost there, playing like he was before he got injured. So to see him doing so poorly is disheartening. He can’t finish any shots. His attitude is crap too. I don’t know but maybe this whole franchise player thing let him get a big head? I don’t know but I do know that I’m not diggin’ Monta.

Kelenna David Azubuike <333

by goldenstatelove on Mar 6, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is he still mad at the void option?

Or is he mad about something else?

I was one of those saying we should wait till next season, but if we can void him and get a really good PG, I’d be tempted. I can’t imagine any team wanting to trade for Monta with his current contract.

by mosdl on Mar 6, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is stupid. Apparently Anthony Randolph has an attitude problem too. Every athlete who does not act like Tim Duncan has an attitude problem now. Let the dude play, and let him express himself. It won’t make him a team cancer or anything.

Here we go again.

by belilaugh on Mar 6, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

AR = Rookie

Monta = 4 Year vet, was handed the keys to the franchise, made his only stupid decision, and is the one getting mad at the Franchise.

HUGE difference.

Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Mar 6, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

hes got nothing to complain about

by KINGofCRA5H on Mar 6, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Own^

Instead of only.

Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Mar 6, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not Andre Smith

Take Crabtree if still there

Be yourself, because everybody else has been taken.

by The Dedication on Mar 6, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Our lines need more attention then our WR Corps

We have signed some Tackles, but I’d take Raji or Curry over Crabtree still.

Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Mar 6, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not feeling Raji that much

but Curry will not be there. We don’t have a WR to pass to and if Crabtree is still there, which is much more likely now that the Seahawks signed TJ, for us to get an impact at WR.

Be yourself, because everybody else has been taken.

by The Dedication on Mar 6, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not every athlete who does not act like Tim Duncan.

It’s every athlete who thinks there’s an “I” in team. How is it stupid? Having that attitude is cancerous to a team.

by Golden Boy on Mar 6, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just got one question

Do you think Terrell Owens was the reason the Cowboys lost this year? Was he the cancer that brought them down? (like, one and a half questions I guess)

Answer that and I’ll see where you are coming from.

None of you guys know anything about the Monta situation except what other sources tell you. None of you literally see Monta doing this. We are viewing the situation through Kawakami and Thompson’s glasses. How do we know that they aren’t manipulating the situation to make Ellis look worse because they don’t like him or something? How do we know that anything they say is true.

If Monta is cool with his teammates, he’s cool with me. Nothing else matters. All this cancer stuff is self-fulfilling prophecy BS stirred up by outside sources who get paid to report on material exactly like this so discussions like this one will pop up and everyone can get all self righteous about how they would never step out of line if someone was paying them money because they are a better person than Monta. They will explain that Monta has nothing to complain about because he is getting paid, demonstrating that they have no knowledge of the motives of a competitive basketball player.

Here we go again.

by belilaugh on Mar 6, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Void his contract

And go after Andre Miller next season. He’ll be available, and he’s the best out of any pgs. He’ll be much cheaper than $66 million too.

by Golden Boy on Mar 6, 2009 10:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

andre miller?

i just shat my pants

"so much losers" - hiero

by montamazing on Mar 7, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

time to go Monta

im ready to part ways even if he does become an all star. you know through all the moped stuff i dont even think I remember seeing a public apology to the fans. and not through print im talking live press conference Im not sure he ever apologized. It does not matter Im ready to part ways because bellinelli and morrow are promising and have a team concept which shows through their play

by BarnettBeBallin on Mar 6, 2009 11:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

That's What Happened's When You Give People Money

I like the guy, played against him in Mississippi and all but money does mess people up. Monta was great when he wasn’t getting paid millions but now that he does get millions he has gone crazy. I hope that he would get older and more mature after his accident but it looks like he has taken a turn for the worse. I said trading him while he still had some value but I’m not sure anybody wants to give up alot for a hefty contract and an unproven player. I only say unproven because he hasn’t had the whole spotlight on him. The money we gave him is for what we hope he can do when he is by himself but he hasn’t proven anything being by himself. He always had Jackson and Baron so when Baron left, the spotlight would be on Monta more than ever. I cannot say that he has failed us because there hasn’t been enough time to judge, but he is not starting out on a good note. We all hope for the best but right now it doesn’t look good at all.

I’d re-sign him to a one year deal and allow him to play to earn a big contract.

Be yourself, because everybody else has been taken.

by The Dedication on Mar 6, 2009 11:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I voted for

“I really don’t know. I try not jump to conclusions about the character of someone I don’t know based on a couple of articles by people whose jobs are to be provocative and sell newspapers / ad space. I also try to make rash judgments about the hoops skills of said players based on a sample size of 13 games following a serious injury, especially when those 13 games look anomalous relative to his career numbers.”

Oh wait, that wasn’t an option. :,-(

Forget getting rid of Monta. Nobody wants him right now: a tweener guard recovering from a serious injury and making $11M? The best we could get would be a serviceable salary dump, which would be textbook selling low.

Barring our lucking into Rubio or Holliday in the upcoming draft — and their blossoming into studs — the immediate future of the franchise rests on Monta returning to his last year self, and improving his PG skills while he’s at it. It’s far from a safe bet, but it’s what we got. Jamal freaking Crawford as our primary distributor is not an option, unless you’re happy with being a 30-win team for the forseeable future.

Best case scenario:

1. Crawford opts out.
2. Monta returns to health and last year’s form (if he plays the way he did the second half of last year, when he looked like Wade Part Deux, I could care less about his alleged attitude issues).
3. (For good measure) We luck into Rubio in the draft.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 6, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Edit:

Voiding Monta’s contract is another option — not being a lawyer for the NBAPA, I’m not sure how realistic of one — and far from the worst one, so long as it doesn’t entail the team committing to Crawford at PG. This draft is loaded with PG: in the worst case, we grab Ty Lawson, who’s a ten times more savory option at PG than Crawford. If Monta is voided and Craw opts out, I’d be perfectly happy to move forward with a team of:

PG: (Rubio or Holliday or Lawson), Belinelli, Watson
SG: Jackson, Morrow
SF: Maggette, Azubuike
PF: Randolph, Wright
C: Biedrins, Turiaf

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 6, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How about we try and move

Monta, Maggette, and Brandan Wright for Jermain Oneal and Miami’s first round pick. Seems like it can work for everybod.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Mar 6, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.

That’s a horrible deal for us. I’d consider it if

1. Miami were in line for a high draft pick
2. JO were expiring immediately, rather than on the books for another year at $23M

As it is, that deal looks suspiciously like three players, all of whom are younger and more productive than Jermaine O’Neal, for … Jermaine O’Neal. :-(

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 6, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The trade deadline is past so it would be in the summer,

and that would make JOneal an expiring contract.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Mar 6, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no way...

Jermaine O’neal will get swolen legs trying to run with this team.

Life is like a chess move, you gotta make your next move, your best move!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Mar 6, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Give me back baron

give clippers monta. They would wet themselves with an idea of an eric gordon and monta ellis backcourt. God. Seriously, Monta disgusts me right now. One good year doesn’t make you a superstar. Actually, he barely helped us during the playoffs. However, if this proves to be false or not as bad, Monta still has alot to prove. He should have went to college. Where’s our apology letter?

Don't Stop Believin'

by warriorgirl on Mar 6, 2009 12:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

baron is terrible

it's just a game.
www.bayareascores.com

by Slicker on Mar 6, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that Baron thing was too much

but Monta is no team player right now and though Baron had his moments- he was a true leader.

Don't Stop Believin'

by warriorgirl on Mar 6, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefull this is all bologna

but once I saw all those tattoos, I knew Monta was different

Don't Stop Believin'

by warriorgirl on Mar 6, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah!

I said the same thing to myself about LeBron…

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 6, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Pleeze

I know Tim is always fabricating news, but now even Marcus? He had more luggage than usual? Wow. He mumbles to himself? All you have to do is connect the dots, folks — he wants out! And in case you can’t tell, I’m being sarcastic. Look, Ellis is upset. His team is not winning, he is not playing, and his moped incident was embarrassing. How about some real sources here? And throw in some fact-checking. Remember when Monta said something to the effect of “Look, all this stuff about me not wanting to play for Coach, etc, THAT NEVER CAME OUT OF MY MOUTH.” These guys just need stories IMO, and if there isn’t one easily available, they’re going to write lazy blog posts instead.

by Str8baller on Mar 6, 2009 12:33 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Can’t argue with that, but I just think that there are plenty of reasons for Monta to be upset, but Tim and Marcus maybe want to stir up a bit of controversy when none really exists. And the luggage thing and the mumbling is just ridiculous — they are not accurate indicators of Monta’s attitude.

by Str8baller on Mar 6, 2009 12:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

are u kidding me?

His mom had a serious surgery right before team photo. He flew home to be with her. Check the facts… i expect this crap from kawakami, but marcus thompson is better than this

by tafkasam on Mar 6, 2009 12:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

awww...poor Monta

(are you gonna say he’s no where near poor?) My turn to write an essay. (not address to you AB1…but rather to everyone) Monta? What’s wrong with having attitude for being pull from a game? Look at C. Anthony. If there’s anyone really to blame, it’s Nellie. For giving him all those minutes. To test if he was back, even though us smart fans knew he wasn’t completely heal. And to start him too. Not only do the fans question about Nellie for being …well Nellie, I believe that the players do as well. Even Nellie knew he was playing him too hard.

And if you think that’s bad of Monta, what about Jack? If he doesn’t get a foul call, he stays where he is. Is that a team player? A capitan? And 30ish year old man? A man that actually played 8+ years of pro basketball? The leader of our franchise?

And what is worse than that? Nellie let’s him be.

Wait, let me remind you again, we are human. They too are human.

Also, there’s one more blame to address, it’s the fans. For believing in him. (thank goodness I wasn’t part of that) Now that he’s not doing well, you’re hating on him.

And what if, Monta’s ankle isn’t completely heal, do you think he’s gonna public announced that? Think of the frustration his must be going through. Void contract? If anyone is hard on him, it must be himself. Self pity. Oh the stress…If he’s really back at home for a family matter…that’s no vacation. What he really needs is a long vacation (god knows I wouldn’t mind one)

Oh, and one more thing, advice to the humans; it’s time to grow up. (then again, we’re all just venting right?)

by Shells on Mar 6, 2009 12:59 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Shells for Warriors assistant coach in charge of morale and team discipline

I swear she could turn Jax around in a week. She’d have the entire GS squad eating out of her hand. LGW!

by worldblee on Mar 6, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Where there's smoke, there's fire...

Those who don’t believe Tim, fine, but Marcus Thompson seems to be much more legit and I doubt would proceed with such a story without having credible sources.

I’ve been a Monta supporter during this whole incident. People make mistakes, especially young people, but the measure of an adult is how you handle those mistakes and in this case Monta has failed horribly if the reports are true.

I understand being mad that the Warriors are dangling the void issue over his head… completely legit. Let your legal team work that out. However, he should handle the issue by working out hard, playing hard, and returning to the player he used to be. Not by being late to team functions, disinterest in team huddles, and expressing wanting to be traded.

He’s just lost a fan in me. Once you turn your back on the Warriors, I turn my back on you.

So what should the Dubs do as a team? Keep Monta until next season. You can’t void him and get NOTHING in return for a 23 year old perimeter player who can finish with the best of them and his trade value right now is next to nothing.

With that being said… this probably would not be going on right now if Cohan and Co. would drop the void issue. It’s just goes to show that Cohan and Co. are in it not to win championship but to make the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

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by FLAxwless on Mar 6, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thompson is just as bad

Thompson is also the one who created the rumor that Baron Davis was being dangled back to the Warriors earlier in the season. In return the Warriors would be trading Corey Maggette and Marcus Williams to the Clippers. How valid was that rumor? It wasn’t! It was garbage just like Thompson is.

by Rocky632 on Mar 8, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, let me remind you again, we are human. They too are human.

Shells, dudette, I may only understand about 25% of what you write, but I give you a rec for this paragraph alone.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 6, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously...

I don’t know the current condition of his relationship with the front office, but I do know that if I had gone through everything that he has gone through in the last year I’d be pretty frustrated. This is obviously not what the front office, or the fans were expecting when Monta signed this deal, but we can’t forget that this has to be incredibly disappointing for Monta as well (yes, even if the whole thing was his fault).

Who knows exactly what is going through his head but I’m willing to give the guy a little more time to see how he pulls through this before I write him off as an immature liar with an attitude problem.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Mar 6, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What does he have to be frustrated about?

He has fouled up big time, and hasn’t taken any responsibility whatsoever. Instead, he points the fingers away from himself. That’s hella lame.

by Golden Boy on Mar 6, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no pay for 30 games isn't a punishment? and threat to void a contract at (almost?) any time?

you swear the poor guy doesn’t blame himself for the games they could’ve won. Well, then again, I can’t read minds, but if he has any heart, he’ll feel guilty. and frustration comes with the game. (or lack of games)

on a huge side note, you seem frustrated. but then again, what do you have to be frustrated about?

it’s only the Warriors.

by Shells on Mar 6, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoah! Big Punishment

Excuse the Warriors for taking only $3 million out of $66 million.

by Golden Boy on Mar 6, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t confuse issued PR statements with his state of mind. I think he is frustrated with himself, with the fact that he had really crappy luck (it was an accident after all), and with the fact that his career is still hanging in the balance all over a moments poor judgment.

I’m sure you’ve done some stupid stuff in the past (we all have). Imagine if one of your seemingly innocent poor choices put your entire future in jeopardy. Wouldn’t that be a little hard to get over. Wouldn’t you not want to talk about it when someone asked. Wouldn’t you want to “put it behind you” and “focus on the future”.

I’m not saying that he is blameless. I don’t think that’s really the issue here. I’m just saying that if he’s acting a little strange or moody I think that it is understandable.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Mar 6, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol. 25% is all you need. Really.

My first rec? um..thanks. And it’s a great thing you don’t think like a girl. (75% girly thoughts, 25% = men talk. Okay…not really)

by Shells on Mar 6, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

can it be a rule

NOTHING KAWAKAMI WRITES GETS POSTED HERE! He is the worst journalist in America. How he’s employed with the whole newspaper industry dying is beyond me. monta went home for his moms surgery…. his frustration is over his ankle. Its not healed, he cant do what he wants to do. Plus is shot is rusty (thats what happens when you dont play alot) The best thing for him is working hard all summer and coming back a changed man

by tafkasam on Mar 6, 2009 1:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Kawakami should never be refrenced on this site ever again. He and Perz Hilton along with the TMZ crew should all hang out and have a gossip oragy.

by gabezgsw on Mar 6, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

geebus

I hate the Warrior FO.

This is gonna be a repeat of the Chris Webber thing. We trade away a good player for crap and stuck in crapiness forever.

by saintdee on Mar 6, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why does this always.........

seem to happen to our star player when nelly is coaching?

Things that make you hmmmmm…………..

by nuttinbutnet on Mar 6, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

XXX WRONG!!

This is not an issue with Nellie this is strictly due to Cohan and Rowell holding the void issue over his head.

Remember Nelson and Mullin didn’t even want to suspend Ellis, but Cohan/Rowell decided to suspend/fine Ellis (which I felt was the right decision). However, they have yet to let go of the right to void and thus you have an unhappy player.

You can blame Nellie for a lot fo things wrong with the Dubs, but the Ellis issue is the making of Cohan/Rowell.

Warrior fans should boycott games until we get new ownership.

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by FLAxwless on Mar 6, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say it was.........

cuz of Nelly. I merely stated that these things seem to happen when Nelly is coaching. However it does bother me that Nelly was such a HUGE part of C-Webb leaving, but now has taken a passive role in trying to keep Monta happy.

Don’t you think as a coach he would perhaps agressively supported Monta regarding this issue? Maybe he doesn’t want Monta as a Warriors??

by nuttinbutnet on Mar 6, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the funny

thing is kawakami’s source is thompson. so technically kawakami is speculating.

by saintdee on Mar 6, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

And, interestingly enough, Thompson’s source is Golden Boy.

And Golden Boy’s source is his pet iguana.

Fortunately, Golden Boy’s pet iguana’s source is Fox News…

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 6, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

There should be a third option that says...

Ellis has been fined, the void claim should be dropped.

by Nuck Chorris on Mar 6, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Voiding?

No chance they void his contract because who else are fans going to pay to see? Jax and Beans are great and all but Monta still gets the biggest applause at the games. In a time when the Warriors are probably going to lose a significant chunk of STH’s, they need their best, most marketable, young face on the team so they can sell tickets. Unless they’re planning on making some splash in the offseason or luck into Blake Griffin, Monta’s contract will not be voided. He still is the face of the franchise and many Warrior fans’ favorite player. Losing him means losing even more STH’s. Not gonna happen.

by Fantasy Junkie on Mar 6, 2009 1:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

LOL
No chance they void his contract because who else are fans going to pay to see?

Dude, its the Warriors. Fans have been paying for season tickets with guys like Andrew Declercq and Ronny Seikaly running the show for years. No matter who the Dubs put out there, people will come to the Oracle. Sad but true.

Monta is sad and wants his ba ba. He deserves a slap in the face so he can wake up from his bad wittle napy nap.

by gabezgsw on Mar 6, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

LMAO Declercq and Ronny Seikaly

aw memorieeeeeeeeeeeeeees. Webber and Seikaly would have been a perfect front court for us though.

by Golden Boy on Mar 6, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can Monta actually....

….do this? I mean I know he took time off because of his stiff shoulder and to visit his sick mother but can he actually continually do this. Can he really just take as much time off that he wants and not be punished? Can he miss the team photo shoot without anyone’s consent and get away with it? Can he continually display his bad attitude without any sort of reprimand? Carmelo Anthony was suspended 1 game by his coach and the organization for not wanting to come out of the game so how is Monta getting away with all of this without any disciplinary action being done?

Now, I don’t agree with Rowell reserving the right to void his contract, especially after he already accepted the suspension and the $3 million in fines, but Monta can’t go on acting like this. He needs to just go out and play basketball to prove that he is still worth the $66 million contract, which I still believe he is. Monta makes this team much better and more exciting.

I know we need Monta Ellis on this team and I also know that he’s unhappy with the big bosses right now but they’ve got to remind him who’s boss, IMO. He needs to straighten this up right away because all of this was his fault. It was his doing. No one held a gun to his head and made him get on that stupid moped and break his freakin’ leg! He did it because he was stupid and right now he’s acting like a spoiled little child. He’s just another player in this league, he may be a very special player but if he’s going to do all of this, I would give him the Marburry treatment and banish him until he either straightens up or we get a good trade for him. I really want him to be on this team but if he’s going to act like this, after something that he is completely responsible for then he should be punished because it is completely detrimental to the team. I’m not saying void his contract but put him on the shelf for the rest of this lost season and let him know who’s in charge.

I think he’ll find that he won’t have too many other options outside of the Warriors, given this current economy and looking towards the free agent market in 2010. Especially with his display of bad attitude and the looming high risk of him getting injured again later on. Who’s really going to invest in that now? It would be somewhat of a gamble. His best situation is with the Warriors, he’s got his contract as long as he can still do what he was signed to do and that’s being the explosive player with the knockdown midrange jumper that everyone expected from him and in the Bay Area, he’s got a fan base that absolutely loves him and wants to root for him no matter what. Also, the system that we have in place fits his game perfectly. This is the best place for him but he needs to clean up his act if he’s going to become the face of this franchise. There’s a lot of responsibility that comes with that title. I think he just needs play it how it goes instead of getting into a battle with the front office and instead, remind everyone who the Monta Ellis is that we all came to know and love then everything will work itself out.

Someone please send a message to Monta Ellis : Just play basketball!

Life is like a chess move, you gotta make your next move, your best move!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag25 on Mar 6, 2009 2:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Response to can Monta actually do this?

Monta can actually do this it was the Warriors organization who told him he was sitting for the next week anyways do to the stiff ankle not his shoulder. I don’t know if you know this but there’s an act called the Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA) if his mother is sick or there’s a family emergency as long as you give your employer notice you can’t be punished for missing work. Do you honestly believe that a team photoshoot is more important than Monta’s mothers health? How is he getting away with this? He’s not getting away with anything and if the Warriors do punish him for missing the games and practices it’s against federal law.

Really you’ve talked to Monta about the situation and the fact that he’s unhappy? Where has a reputable sports columnist quoted Monta saying he’s unhappy? The only thing that could be said about Monta is that he is more than likely a little frustrated because he can’t do the things yet that her normally can do because of the layoff from playing basketball.

Also, considering the fact you have no idea what you are talking about let me help you. This is the same Contra Costa Times reporters who a few months ago stated that Monta was unhappy with the Warriors. Which, was complete and utter BS. So, stop leting the Contra Costa Times try to create the chaos for Warriors fans because no one should be buying it.

Here’s a question to ask yourself has the San Francisco Chronicle written any stories on the subject? The answer is no because they know this is a bunch of amateur writers who do not know how to write a sports column. Instead these amateurs listen to every rumor no matter how off the wall is and write about it.

Let me know when you hear from Monta as well as the Chronicle that actually state that Monta is unhappy. That the reason is because of Rowell claiming he can void the contract in which he can’t. There’s a thing called double jeapordy and Ellis has already taken the punishment the Warriors handed out to him.

by Rocky632 on Mar 8, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To all the Monta Ellis fans:

Knowing he DOES have an attitude problem just by reading his body language, would you
A. Still be a loyal fan and follow wherever he may end up being TRADED to.

or

B. Forget him and just live with whatever will happen when he gets traded to(even if he becomes an all-star in another team) And hope we get a good player in exchange for Monta.

or C. It doesn’t matter.

"Shallow Hal, wants a gal"
You're not hot anymore!

by AlbinoWhale on Mar 6, 2009 3:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

But

what if Monta turns out to be a 20+ scorer on another team and Allstar potentially, but then again
his value is no good if his attitude with NOT WANTING TO PLAY for the Warriors. So we don’t want a so called (Star Player) that doesn’t want to play for us.

"Shallow Hal, wants a gal"
You're not hot anymore!

by AlbinoWhale on Mar 6, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

We have tons of players that turned out to be all-stars elsewhere. I always hear “we should have kept…” They didn’t want to play for us anyway, so it wouldn’t have made a difference.

by Golden Boy on Mar 6, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

monta is gem of a player

if we let monta go this team is gonna suck till 2030 because the only reason we had 45 win was monta / baron combo. lots of 2 guards in this league? u r an idiot

by farid on Mar 6, 2009 5:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

monta will be expendable

when we bring in JEFF TEAGUE 09-10!!

by gorillas on Mar 6, 2009 6:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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