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Polling GSoM: Do you want Jamal Crawford to opt out of the final 2 years and 19+ million on his deal with the Warriors?

Well here we go again. I swear I can just copy and past the structure of the last Polling GSoM and just swap out quotes and links. It's like one of FJ's famous ad libs.

The picture that GSoM friends Marcus Thompson and Tim Kawakami have painted is not a good one:

Sources: Nellie tells Crawford to opt out or he'll be traded [Inside Bay Area]

According to multiple team sources, Warriors coach Don Nelson told guard Jamal Crawford that if he doesn't opt out of his contract, Golden State would trade him this offseason.

Nellie Issued Crawford Ultimatum [Inside the Warriors]

Anyway, so after Nellie dropped this bomb on Crawford, he told him that he would sit him out some games in part to keep his average. (My personal opinion, it is true that he wanted to give the other guys more time, and Nellie genuinely thought he was helping Crawford by sitting him out instead of playing him sparingly and ruining his averages.)

The original plan, I'm told, was that Crawford would be the only one sitting out. But then Crawford's agent blew a gasket when he heard about this development (which you read here). Nellie, in an effort to not look as if he was singling out Crawford, then came up with the rest-a-veteran fall-back plan.

Warriors update: Is Don Nelson playing opt-out mind games with Crawford? [Talking Points]

Even more, Nelson was suggesting that Crawford HAD BETTER OPT-OUT or else Nelson would probably make sure that the situation next year isn't to Crawford's liking.

My understanding is that Crawford's reaction was the same as any proud player's reaction: Why in the world should I be pushed into a decision like that?

Jump for some bullets on this recent drama...

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Dropping bullets:

  • The Warriors (Don Nelson at least) don't seem to want to have any part of a Monta Ellis- Jamal Crawford backcourt next year. That's a good thing. It would easily be the worst starting defensive backcourt in the league. I don't want none of that. There's only so many career nights to random guards around the association that I can stomach. It would be happening on a nightly basis. Seeing as how Jamal has shot 40.9% from the field with the Warriors and Monta has only netted 39.8% of his tries this season, it's tough to argue that they'll be able to overcome their defensive woes with their scoring.  
  • Maybe the Warriors don't mind keeping one of Monta- Jamal backcourt, but not both. Are the Warriors worried that they won't be able to legally void Monta's contract this offseason? Are they trying to force Jamal out because cutting ties with Monta looks even more impossible? 
  • I really hate to see Jamal go through this. He's been classy his whole stay here in the Bay and even earlier this season in NY. In the span of months he was essentially dumped for a contract that was guaranteed to expire before his (Al Harrington) and asked to voluntarily leave his new squad.
  • I do believe Nellie is indeed helping Jamal out (and the other vets) by sitting him out for entire games and not screwing up his per game averages. As a former player Tom Tolbert on KNBR has said that he would actually prefer that type of situation when he was playing. But Nellie should've been smarter about it. Did he really believe it would be that simple? He has plenty of detractors in the local and national media who were going to dig beneath the surfaces and stir a little drama (that's their job) to try to make this terrible Warriors season more interesting.
  • As my main man Modi will tell you, cap space is incredibly overrated. When guys like Chris Mullin and Robert Rowell are running your front office who have demonstrated ZERO understanding of NBA economics and negotiating player contracts, it's even worse. First of all, no top tier free agent is going to come to the Warriors this offseason or next. They're only going to come here if there's something wrong with them and no other team wants them. I really don't see how they can improve on Jamal's cap number via free agency. The NBA's current CBA is designed to help teams retain their own free agents. You essentially have to overpay or get players to take a paycut to leave their current teams. Now improving via trades, that's a completely different story with precedent. Keep Jamal and try to trade him if the Warriors really want to part with him. It's not like he has a horrendous contract or anything.
  • The Golden State Warriors from top to bottom are a complete mess. I hope you didn't need me to tell you that.

The highlight of this incredibly difficult Warriors season.

Also see IQofaWarriors' FanShot for more thoughts from the GSoM community.

Poll
Do you want Jamal Crawford to opt out of the final 2 years and 19+ million on his deal?
YES: I'd rather see the cap space go elsewhere (but not Chris Cohan's pocket!)
354 votes
NO: Please stay Jamal!
221 votes

575 votes | Poll has closed

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can go. beli is a better replacement.

beli doesnt take too many shots and since we will have jack and monta and maggs taking most of our shots thats helpful.

beli defends slightly better which is better.

beli can shoot the 3 pointer just as well.

by saintdee on Mar 7, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions  

I don't mind Crawford....

I think he is a good scorer and would be a great 2 guard. He is not a point and we need a point. I really would like to see him opt out so we can pursue a better fit for our team.

However, no one should ever feel like they are unwanted. It is stuff like this that makes the Warriors an undesirable team to play for. Rowell, Cohan, Nellie, and everyone else needs to quit being so money driven and start playing closer attention to their current players.

You know Jackson hates to lose, Maggs is a competitor, Randolph exudes energy, Turiaff was on a perennial contender, and don’t even mention the Monta thing.

In essence your players have to know that management has their back and right now it seems like they are feeling like they are all next to be thrown under the bus.

So I like Crawford as a person and I feel like he doesn’t deserve that treatment. (if this story is true) But I think we need some new blood at PG. Oh and CJ can go too… sorry but his d is worse than JC.

by shooter1525 on Mar 7, 2009 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

Am I in the Twilight Zone?

Dude I don’t mean any offense by that, but it seems like just about everyone hate’s Watson’s d. Every time I see him, he’s getting steals and making good defensive plays.

As far as Crawford, I think he can be an excellent point guard if that was his main duty. He can break some defenders’ ankles and draw double teams to get a man, or men, open.

by Golden Boy on Mar 7, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes he gets steals..

But he doesn’t stay in front of his man. And that’s one of the main priciples of defense. He’s ALWAYS going for the steal even if he has no chance at it. This results in the opposing player dashing past him. This happens a big fat majority of the time he plays defense. If he can learn to time his attempts better, and show a little self-discipline, he will be a much better defender.

by Torukine on Mar 7, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

It's only his 2nd year in the league

His first full year if you want to get technical, so it’s better than not having any defensive skills at all. His defense will only get better.

by Golden Boy on Mar 7, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

He has plenty of time to get better. He has a LITTLE bit of defensive skills, but the point is, is that he is not a good defender right now. Bottom line.

by Torukine on Mar 7, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

A big problem with this team..

Is that there are way too many shooting guards. Jamal Crawford is a shooting guard. Nellie plays him as the pointguard, but he hardly plays the part. This isn’t so much a knock against JC as it is a realization of the type of player he is.

With that said, I don’t mind if JC opts out. Yes he’s capable of scoring 50 points. But a healthy Monta is also capable of scoring 50. I don’t even think we need to find another pointguard (unless he’s really good of course). Marco has shown us VERY promising skills at handling the ball. He makes mistakes, yes, but I think as of right now that he is the best potential for a true point guard on this team.

All of this leaves no room for JC on the team in my opinion.

by Torukine on Mar 7, 2009 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

Let's just trade Stephen Jackson for Kevin Durant

Then I’ll be happy. My favorite player on my favorite team. Bribe the OKC management if we have to lol.

by Golden Boy on Mar 7, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

My issues with Crawford's game

is that it’s mainly a dribble, dribble, fire a shot. Only rarely do I see him drive in to the hoop. It feels one-dimensional and it feels like he’s playing on an island to his own rhythm instead of with the team’s rhythm. A couple of times I remember the Warriors start to get warm on a scoring streak, then the ball gets to Crawford and then clang! it’s a missed shot, killing the momentum.

Now I know Crawford’s a nice guy and all, and I’m not hating on him at a personal level. But this isn’t about being nice or not nice. It’s about whether your skills benefit the current system. After all, companies aren’t going to keep me because I’m nice, but because I got skills that help them develop and/or test their products. If I can’t help them improve their product, I can’t cry if they hire someone else in my place. It’s work, it’s a job, it’s business.

It seems pretty likely now that Nellie had this conversation with Crawford. What we don’t know is if Nellie was professional about it to Crawford, or if Nellie roasted Crawford. It’s possible that Nellie was professional about it, and the newswriters wrapped it in a Hollywood drama filled script. If Nellie roasted Crawford, then that’s on Nellie for mishandling him. In either case however, Crawford opting out or getting traded is what I think to be better for the Warriors.

by IQofaWarrior on Mar 7, 2009 1:41 PM PST reply actions  

Another interesting take on the situation...
MTII’s report may get buried since it broke on a Friday night, but it has lasting importance for this team — this year and beyond.

    * First, the report that Nelson wants Crawford to opt out or be traded, likely leaked by Crawford’s agent in a power play against the organization, restores some of my faith in Nelson. Whether for the money due Crawford or his inability to turn any team he collects a check from into a winner, Nelson is smart to push Crawford out as soon as possible. An opt out would be ideal, a trade for spare parts acceptable. If it takes the construction of a bench-a-vet policy to keep Crawford’s numbers up, I’m more than happy to see he pushing 40+ minutes a night when he plays to further the goal. The greater good of the franchise depends on it.

    * Second, as far as I can remember, the Rowell comments buried at the end of article are the first on-the-record clash between Rowell and Nelson. Rowell, a master of PR since his "salary protection" classic to kick off the season, makes the Crawford conflict a much bigger deal by essentially confirming the story. If that weren’t enough, he then distances himself from Nelson, suggesting that this might not be a run-of-the-mill Nelson-player struggle, but a classic Nelson-player-franchise clash, potentially with Ellis in the mix as well. In implosion drama terms, things just moved from TV movie of the week to academy award contender.

    * Third, if Nelson and Rowell end up at odds with one another, Rowell may win (he has Cohan’s full faith so far as we can tell), but there will be a lot of collateral damage. Given the failing economy and lackluster performance of the team, Nelson has become the single marketable commodity of the franchise. He’s the face of the team, the topic of the blogs (this one in particular), and the mastermind of the style that is still putting bodies in seats. If Nelson goes and Rowell fills the power vacuum himself, the team may finally drift into the truly desperate territory — complete and utterly unprofitable irrelevancy — that could force a change of ownership.

From Adam Lauridsen

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Mar 7, 2009 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

anonymous sources

There is a tendency to treat these stories based on anonymous stories as fact. It’s a bad tendency. I don’t doubt that there was a conversation, but we have one version of the story based on a source friendly to Crawford (his agent) and fueled by two writers hostile to Nelson (Marcus and Mr. K). So, I think you have to figure whatever happened we are probably getting a pretty bent version designed to make Jamal look wrong. Seems to me there’s nothing wrong with Nelson telling Crawford he is not in their plans (for him to be in their plans with Monta would be a disaster) and that they will handle this in a way not to too hurt his averages. This stuff goes on in the NBA all the time. And my guess is if this happened with an agent friendly to Nelson, Marcus and Hedda Hopper would be playing tennis or something. But instead we have a big stink, polls, and more of the same. Anonymous sources speak anonymously not because they have a deep interest in serving the truth but because they can warp the story to their interests without having to take responsibility. Does anyone remember Woodward and Bernstein? Those guys required two sources to print a story. Marcus and Mr. K basically write gossip columns that smell up sports writing. This is a good site but it devotes way too much time and space to what is mostly their opinions rather than the conventions of journalism. There’s even a group of journalists concerned about this kind of crap—the Committee of Concerned Journalists. I don’t think Marcus and Mr.K are members. I am not even sure they could find the website. It’s way too balanced for them.

by Marques8 on Mar 8, 2009 6:49 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Whoa.

Very, very well said. Rec!

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 8, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions  

More on Anonymous Sources

Anyone notice how seldom one of these rumors started by an anonymous source started in a class newspaper like the New York Times, the Washington Post or the Chicago Tribune (now that Sam the Man is gone). If these aggregators threw out their New York Post entries, the site would be cut in half. And if this site threw out its Timmy K stories and interviews, which have about the same weight, what would happen?

In my post above, it should read that the plant was “designed to make Jamal look wronged. "Wrong” is how he plays defense.

by Marques8 on Mar 9, 2009 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Who can the Warrior get back in return for Jamal Crawford?

Crawford puts up solid numbers and I feel the only frown on him is his contract due to the economic situation. Either way he’s more productive than Larry Hughes or Corey Maggette making the same amount of money.

by FWG Wani on Mar 10, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions  

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