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Give me five, or "a" five at least...

I personally feel that we should only draft a PG if we can sign/trade for another five. Turiaf is good at the center spot; if you start him at the four with Biedrins at the five and we bring another seven-footer to the team to back up Beans, Ronny almost automatically becomes one of the top PF's in the league. There's not a lot of great fives in this year's draft, so are there any legit centers the W's might be able to get their hands on in the free agency or by trade this off-season? I wished we could've gotten JaVale McGee from Washington, I can tell now they're not going to be giving him up soon. Has anybody seen that kid DeAndre Jordan on the Clips? Does he look any good? Think we could get our hands on him? The reason why I'm bringing up these "unproven" players is because trading for players like Bosh or Stoudemire means giving up so much for one player who might make our team better. (Let's get real, the only way that happens is with a new coach. However, I won't get into that right now.) Anyway, let me know what you think.

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someone has to ask

why is turiaf one of the top pfs in the league? you can’t just say that if he played power forward he suddenly becomes amazing with zero explanation. give us something.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Apr 4, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

no.

we dont need a 5…we have 2

we need a PG…

nothing else.

we are solid at the 2 (ellis/morrow/buki/belli/jack)
we are solid at the 3 (jackson/buki/maggs)
we will be solid at the 4 (randolph/wright)
we are solid at the 5 (AB/turiaf)

we got no one for the 2….ellis is DECENT at best….cj is at best a decent backup….belli is at best an excellent back up…crawford is at best a good backup….

we need an excellent starting PG and the draft can help us make one…theres TONS of potential in the draft for PGs

lawson/jennings/rubio/curry/holiday/collison (in no particular order)

im down with getting ANY of them, all of them look good to me (some better then others, rubio) but id be down with any of them and know all of em have the potential to be better starting PGs then anything we have available

we are one big piece away from being a franchise that can make the playoffs and compete in them for many years

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Apr 4, 2009 9:00 PM PDT reply actions  

rubio (if we can get him), would be my first option.
then jennings or lawson.
then maybe holiday.

Gerald Madkins

by gorillas on Apr 4, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry but javale mcgre and deandre jordan look like garbage

Gerald Madkins

by gorillas on Apr 4, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions  

mcgee*

Gerald Madkins

by gorillas on Apr 4, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

But Andrew Bynum and Dwight Howard didn’t look great their first seasons either. I’m not saying Jordan or McGee could get anywhere near their levels, but I’m not talking about needing a starter, I’m talking about trying to find a decent backup. Their both legit seven-footers with potential.

by GSBoi86 on Apr 4, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

it just seems that if you’re shooting to replace Turiaf at backup C, where he’s thrived for us, to move him to PF, what we really need is an upgrade at PF rather than another “five” – sure, if Thabeet is the BPA at our pick, your plan might work (though I’m underwhelmed with his performance in the final four). But we need someone in the PF slot who we can throw the ball into and have a reasonable expectation that he’ll score, or get double teamed & open up opportunities for Morrow et al. And that’s not Ronny, imo. It’s also not Brandolph, at least not in the near future.

by hardcore on Apr 5, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

In his rookie season, Dwight Howard averaged:

12 points
10 rebounds
1.7 blocks

That’s damn good for a rookie. Who were the idiots who thought Oden was going to be the best center in the league. hahahahahaha

by ZaMzAm FiRe on Apr 5, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if anyone said he would be the best center in the league, but those who thought he would be a very good center can’t really be called idiots yet.

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 5, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

those who thought he would be a very good center can’t really be called idiots yet.

but those who call him a bust after one season can.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 5, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both have looked ok in flashes……..a lot more promising than P.O’B

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 5, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

but

I am NOT advocating chasing either one.

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 5, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya we need a 5

Monta going to be the point nelson has already said so why waste on a pg . there are solid back up vets at the pg that float around the league that are nba ready already.

Why not get someone who clogs the middle like Hasheem Thabeet. If we dont play Defense at least when people get in the paint Biedrens, Turiaf, Thabeet, Randolph, and Wright will be waiting for them.

Blocks lead to fast breaks

by Belinelli's the savior on Apr 4, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Earl Clark?

nbadraft.net is showing the dubs at 7 taking earl clark. has anyone heard anything from anyone in the organization about this?

by ACLRG on Apr 4, 2009 10:06 PM PDT reply actions  

My Dream Warriors Lineup

Trade Crawford + Azubuike + Draft Pick for Gerald Wallace

PG Ellis Belinelli
SG Morrow Jackson
SF Wallace Maggette
PF Randolph Wright
C Biedrins Turiaf

by gambinofam on Apr 4, 2009 10:18 PM PDT reply actions  

ha

and why do the B-Cats make that trade? And why does Jackson not throw a fit when he’s coming off the bench?

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 5, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well we’d have to include the draft pick or a very good young player to convince someone to take Crawford off our hands.

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 5, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

My Warriors Dream Lineup

Trade Crawford + Azbuike + Draft Pick for Gerald Wallace

PG Ellis Belinelli
SG Morrow Jackson
SF Wallace Maggette
PF Randolph Wright
C Biedrins Turiaf

by gambinofam on Apr 4, 2009 10:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Interesting...

Here’s mine:

PG: Monta Ellis, C.J. Watson, *Draft Pick (Jennings?, Rubio?)
SG: Kelenna Azubuike, Corey Maggette
SF: Stephen Jackson, Anthony Morrow
PF: Ronny Turiaf, Anthony Randolph, Brandan Wright
C: Andris Biedrins, *New Backup Center (I say we need one, at least), Jermareo Davidson

by GSBoi86 on Apr 4, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

pssshh....here's mine

PG-Chris Paul/Deron Williams
SG-Dwayne Wade/Monta Ellis
SF-LeBron James/Danny Granger
PF-Kevin Garnett/Anthony Randolph
C-Dwight Howard/Andris Biedrins

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 5, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

you guys are too realistic.

+1 to sam. although i’d put amare in over KG. he’s getting old.

by jchao204 on Apr 5, 2009 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

mine is:

pg: rubio / bellineli
sg: ellis / morrow
sf: jackson / buki /randolph
pf: amare/ randolph / wright
c: andris / turiaf

trade maggs + watson + cash (cash from crawford optout) for amare…maybe even throw in wright/belli if they need

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Apr 4, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

or somehow get lamar odom, help ranolph learn!

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Apr 4, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

randolph*

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Apr 4, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are we looking to become a team that can make the playoffs again, or shouldn’t we be looking to compete for a ring while our young players are still young? Maybe I spoke too soon with the Turiaf being one of the top four’s thing, however, I think he almost needs to be out there with Biedrins, since Beans can’t change the outcome of a game with defense, which Ronny can. Andris can get a couple of blocks and steals and eats up rebounds, but doesn’t stop anyone in the league. With the two on the floor together, we get Andris’ scoring and Turiaf’s defensive prowess. With a real five (which neither Biedrins or Turiaf is) on the floor with Randolph off the bench next season, I’d say we have one of the best frontcourts in the league.

Now, even though my choice for this year’s draft is actually Brandon Jennings, do you really believe that a point guard completely changes this teams ability to win next season? LOL. Well it does, but all we’ll be is what we were before, a team that can possibly get to the 7th or 8th seed. We need two things to become elite: a stronger inside presence, which we almost completely lose when Ronny’s not around, and a coach with a clue on defense, who can teach this group to win not just by running up the score but by slowing the other team down. Having a great point guard is more a tremendous bonus rather than “the answer.”

by GSBoi86 on Apr 4, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions  

playoffs again, or compete for a ring

my goal would be to aspire to WCF – and if things break right we’ve got a shot at a ring, but not shoot to just barely make the playoffs … we deserve more than what we’ve been suffering through for decades now

by hardcore on Apr 5, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

shouldn’t we be looking to compete for a ring while our young players are still young?

  IIRC young teams rarely win championships except in things like little league? I think it requires a mix of experienced vets with a star or two that has a few years in the league?
  Seems like most winners start out by getting in the playoffs and learning what that is all about then return next season with a better chance? We did step one in 07 but they ruined any chance of step 2 when they failed to sustain the core of the team.
   So we’re back to step zero, now we gotta aim to just get into the playoffs again, then worry about winning it all later.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 4, 2009 11:02 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

You have to crawl before you walk. Get to the playoffs, gain experience for the young guys. Then when they are legit vets at the young average age of 25-26 years old, make a real push for a title.

by warriOs on Apr 6, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

heres my dream lineup for us

pg:me8, lawson\
sg:jak, ammo
sf:buike, outlaw
pf:randolph, wright/a guy from a trade or f.a.?
c:ab, ronny

by nateoak10 on Apr 4, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Patty Mills

How bout Mills in the 2nd round?

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Apr 5, 2009 5:46 AM PDT reply actions  

He wont be there………oh, and we don’t have a second round pick anyway.

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 5, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah… i just looked it up. The Spurs will get our pick in the 2nd.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Apr 5, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't the Big Gorilla looking guy from Utah...

uhhh, Paul Milsap, yea, Isn’t he a free agent next year? He’s a perfect back-up or starter for PF and/or C.

Or try to get Leon Powe, Big Baby, or Stromile Swift.

Can you choke without coughing?

by AlbinoWhale on Apr 5, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Millsap is a good player, but I think he’ll get paid more than he deserves this offseason. I think Powe is a feasible target and it would allow us to pursue a trade that included Wright.

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 5, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kinda like that idea. I wouldn’t want to trade Wright unless we got genuine value back — I don’t think it’s worth punting on the guy just to rid ourselves of Maggette, for instance — but Wright is definitely behind Randolph in line at this point, and a trade might make some sense. Powe would be a good change-of-pace backup for Randolph.

Man, it’ll really hurt us if our GM situation isn’t clarified by June. This roster is a tweak or two away from fitting together pretty nicely, but we’ll need a decision-maker who’s empowered to make those tweaks and make them quickly.

by onlxn on Apr 6, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

yea

I’m not advocating trading Wright just to trade him, but I see him as the most expendable piece on our roster with any trade value. And I agree Powe would provide a very nice change of pace from Randolph off the bench.

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 6, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure about that

Don’t get me wrong, I love Powe. Bringing him back to the Bay would be great. But I see him as having similar strengths to Randolph. He may not get pushed off the block as easily, but he is still mainly an energy guy who excels around the rim. And it hasn’t hurt his reputation any that he plays on a great team with a pass first PG and many team mates demanding primary defensive attention. OTHO, Wright has a better midrange touch and is, arguably, a better perimeter defender.

I also put Randolph ahead of Wright these days, but I wouldn’t consider Powe’s upside higher than Wright’s.

Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

by fotd on Apr 6, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I woudnt consider Powe’s upside higher than Wright’s either…..but I never said anything about that. But with Randolph on the roster Wright has greater value as a trade chip than as a backup PF. If we can add another 4 like Powe who can come in and provide solid minutes off the bench it allows us to trade one of those guys who have much greater trade value. Adding Powe wouldnt be about upgrading our backup PF, it would be about adding depth while freeing us up to deal one of the young guys with great upside.

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 6, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got it

If it helps to get us Rubio, I’m on board.

Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

by fotd on Apr 6, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one

will be getting paid more than they deserve this offseason (except in the existential, “what-is-basketball-really-worth-to-society” sense of being overpaid). The recession is real.

Anyone we draft isn’t going to play. We know that. So here is the lineup:

1. Monta/Belli (because his D is way better than CJ’s)
2. Jack/Morrow
3. Buike/Maggs
4. Randolph/Wright
5. Biedrins/Turiaf

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Apr 6, 2009 7:13 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Dude

You’re way too realistic for this board. (Rec!)

Barring lucking into the #1 or 2 pick and snagging Rubio or Griffin, that’s probably very close to how our rotation will look. And actually, I’m pretty happy with that bunch. If Randolph makes another big leap this offseason (not unimaginable, given his tender age and current rate of improvement) that could be a 45-50 win team.

One question: whither Crawford?

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Apr 6, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

some other team or the end of the bench, i hope. option one being the best option, but a touch less likely.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Apr 6, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Randolph makes another big leap this offseason

  He don’t need to make a big leap, he just needs to learn when,where, and where not to leap. He’s good enough already if he can sustain it for a whole season.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 6, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure

What you mean by “good enough already.” Given our near-total lack of flexibility this offseason (wrought mostly by the untradeable three-headed albatross of CrawMaggsJack), my only semi-realistic hope for this team becoming a 50-win team next year or the year after is for Rudolf to make a quantum leap into Bosh or Garnett-land. Specifically, he needs to (1) stay disciplined from the field (in the neighborhood of 50% fg); (2) develop his mid-range game; (3) cut down on turnovers and fouls; and (4) show he can sustain his impressive per minute numbers for 30-35 minutes game. He’s not “good enough already,” but here’s praying he gets there.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Apr 6, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’ve actually gotta agree with Skep on this one.

(1) stay disciplined from the field (in the neighborhood of 50% fg)

No improvement needed, obviously… he’s been in that neighborhood for several months. There’s no particular reason to think he’ll regress as long as he keeps playing down low.

(2) develop his mid-range game

That’d be nice, but he doesn’t really need to do that to be an extremely effective player. He needs to do this to play more like Chris Bosh, but it’s okay if he’s a different type of player than Bosh. He’s already rebounding and blocking shots at a higher rate than Bosh ever has, so the comparison is already an imperfect one.

(3) cut down on turnovers and fouls

By far the most important variable(s) of the ones you’ve mentioned. He turns it over too much for a big man, and he gets in foul trouble a good bit. Happily, he’s showing dramatic improvement in terms of turnovers. Fouls are the biggest question mark for Randolph going forward… his foul rate has actually gotten a bit worse over the season, as he’s moved closer and closer to the basket defensively. Happily, though, young bigs unusually learn to foul less often as they gain experience. It’s not at all unreasonable to think that Randolph will improve here.

(4) show he can sustain his impressive per minute numbers for 30-35 minutes game.

It seems to me that he’s been doing just that. He’s averaged 31 minutes a game over our last six, and put up 12.2 points on 48% shooting, with 11.6 rebounds, 1.6 blocks, 1.6 steals and 1.5 turnovers. You’d like to see that shooting improve a bit… still, that’s nothing to sneeze at out of 31 minutes a game. A guy like that will win you some games.

Small sample size? Sure, but the Millsap Doctrine has been discussed on here before. Players tend to play better, not worse, with more playing time, and that’s been the case with Randolph. And nothing about his play lately screams “fluke”… there’s nothing that an opposing coach could easily capitalize on. A guy with that speed, that length, and that touch around the basket is pretty hard to stop.

Randolph went from a truly terrible player in November to a downright good player now. His improvement has been astonishing, so much so that you can’t help but worry that he’s a flash in the pan. But I don’t see any reason why he would be… if he stays focused and stays near the basket, his recent solidly good play is merely the floor of what he can achieve.

It’s time to get excited about Anthony Randolph. Not just for what he could be, but for what he already is.

by onlxn on Apr 6, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed- it’s time to get excited about Anthony Randolph. But I think AR absolutely needs a midrange jumper to succeed. He’s got a good “slashing” inside game predicated on mobility (which would be almost absolutely negated by moving him to the 3, by the way) and a solid jumper would be his counter move if opponents try to take away his mobility. Add some back-to-the-basket moves 5 years from now and we’ve got a bonafide superstar.

If he gets all that down, we can resign JCraw to teach him some ankle breakers. Then maybe tape Morrow to his back so he can fire up some 3s in transition!

by antihero on Apr 6, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you misread me slightly, O-N

I didn’t mean to suggest we shouldn’t be excited about AR. I’ve basically been on his nuts since the LV summer league, long before the more sensible and less fanboyish among us (you, jae, dfib, e.g.) thought it was reasonable to do so.

But I’m not talking about reason to be excited. I’m talking about reason to believe that we’re a 50-win playoff team in the next couple of years. We all love to haggle over precisely what it is we need to get there — A PF? A C? A PG? A Baron? A JRich? More Kurz? Less Craw? Better coach? Better focus on the road? — but I think we all know deep down that what we need above all is an elite player, regardless of position. We have more than enough balance and talent overall that one Top 10 NBA player, even at a position where we’re “set” (say, Wade or Kobe at SG, or LBJ at SF) makes us a contender almost instantaneously.

My point was that unless AR becomes a Top 10 NBA-type the Ws are likely to keep falling short of that “perennial playoff team” we all fantasize about. The fact that he has a real chance to be that guy (first player who fits that description since Webber?) is reason enough to be excited. But if, as Skep suggests, he’s there already, why don’t we all stop bitching and moaning and print the 09-10 playoff tix right now?

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Apr 6, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

But if, as Skep suggests, he’s there already, why don’t we all stop bitching and moaning and print the 09-10 playoff tix right now?

I didn’t mean he don’t need to improve, I just meant that he’s on the right trajectory. At his best now he’s good enough and it looks like he’ll be able to play at his best consistently soon? He’s not gonna be able to take us to the finals alone but he’ll be a major piece of whatever team we field. ( unless nellie and him do a webber)

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 6, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1 and a rec

Very well put. The balance and depth in our rotation (now that Randolph has apparently solidified our 4 spot and we don’t need to run out gimmicky small-ball lineups anymore) could make us very dangerous. Teams that rely on one or two players are susceptible to injuries, cold streaks, and the like. I repeatedly throw Houston out as an example of this, but Dallas is another great example. If we can move the ball and play a little bit of defense (especially if it is not just limited to the “We Believe,” turnover-creating, crowd-hyping variety, as much fun as that is) we will be right in the mix. The biggest challenge facing the Warriors at this point is mental. Can they hold it together on the road? Can a team without a true superstar leader avoid falling apart in crunchtime? I say yes, as long as they truly embrace the team concept.

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Apr 7, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

rec, for almost making me believe we could make the leap to relevancy by standing pat … just wish there was another example of doing so successfully in the NBA because all your points sound great, honestly. But with the same coach, who’s not going to change enough regardless of who the defensive coordinator is, and with the same roster – even healthy and a year more seasoned, just not convinced enough to put my chips back in … sure hope you’re right

by hardcore on Apr 8, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone we draft isn’t going to play

why? (please try to refrain from using the ridiculous “Nellie doesn’t play rookies” line in your response.)

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 6, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

why?

 cause it takes awhile to learn the nba game and most rookies don’t get it the first year. The draft is more about the future not next year so that’s why we should go all out to accumulate the most lotto balls.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 6, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions  

kind of late for tanking now.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Apr 6, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

kind of late for tanking now.

  that’s why I was sayin it last month.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 6, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

i can’t believe that the 7 man rotation hasn’t picked up more of those lotto balls; these kids just don’t know how build a winner. they just wanna win. where’s the foresight?

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Apr 6, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

. where’s the foresight?

 comes with maturity but then it’s too late!

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 6, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

The reason

that no one we draft (barring Rubio or Griffin, duh) will get burn is that we already have so many young players who need the minutes. There is a chance that a really good PG could compete for the backup slot, but that’s about it. Every other position has at least two guys in there already. I would much rather see Ammo, Buike, and BWright get the minutes anyway.

Monta is the singular of Montus, of the Montai

by Supafishal on Apr 6, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I think (hope) there should be some significant roster changes this offseason. Its a bit early to say no rookie is gonna get any run.

Thing A

by sam23 on Apr 6, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its a bit early to say no rookie is gonna get any run.

  never too early to say that unless the rookie is lebron.

Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 6, 2009 11:58 PM PDT reply actions  

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