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Tracy McGrady's Future?

So with the Rockets making it to the second round of the playoffs, something McGrady was never able to accomplish.  T-Mac's future in Houston is all but over.

The way Houston is composed right now, they have a star player, youth, and/or depth at every position. 

PG: Brooks, Lowry

SG: McGrady, Von Wafer

SF: Artest, Battier, Barry

PF: Scola, Hayes, Landry, Dorsey, Cook

C: Yao, Mutumbo(retiring???)

 

But if they are going to shop T-Mac, they have a huge hole to fill at SG and a lesser hole to fill at SF if Artest goes somewhere else.  So I was thinking that we could trade them Crawford, Maggette and change for T-Mac and his expiring contract.

The reason they would do it:  They are a veteran team that isn't getting any younger and would prefer to win now.  Their chance to be a legit championship contender is closing.  If they can grab a couple of vets it gives them a better shot at a title for the next 2-3 years.  They would have:

PG: Brooks, Lowry

SG: Crawford, Maggette, Von Wafer

SF: Artest, Maggette, Battier

PF: Scola, Hayes, Landry, Dorsey, Cook

C: Yao

For us, we get one year of T-Mac and are free of Crawford and Maggette's contracts.  Then we can rebuild the right way.

So GSOM, am I crazy or is this something good for both clubs?

 

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t-mac’s injury prone. but that sounds like a good way to get a chip off our shoulder.

by vinchenzy on May 1, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I love it ...

… but Rockets fans will hate it, of course. They might want Maggs, but why would they want Crawford, again?

Houston’s a team which is clearly interested in the more sophisticated metrics of player performance (there were some interesting articles about Shane Battier which should make this clear). Crawford is a player who looks horrible if you look at anything other than total points scored.

Plus, we’re entering a period when teams a desperate to cut salary, and treating bigger salary obligations like they were Swine Flu.

by Ronaldinho on May 1, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Teams are trying to cut salary if they are not a contender.

But teams that are trying to to reach a championship are not cutting salary all that much. Lakers, Celtics, Cavs are all well above the salary cap. My point is that if you think you have a good team that can go all the way, you probably don’t mind going over the cap.

Crawford and Maggs are both very offensive minded. When you already have Yao, Battier, and Artest on the defensive side, having guys like Crawford and Maggs can be a good change of pace. Especially if your team is struggling to score.

As far as the metrics, I do remember reading about something about Houston using that, but not too aware of what it is actually, got a link?

by warriOs on May 1, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

but the Rockets already have guys like Brooks, Von Wafer, and such who are offensive sparkplugs yet cost a small fraction of the price of guys like Crawford and Maggette.

by markdash on May 1, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

brooks is absolutely a good player at the point. I am not arguing that Crawford or Maggs would not be better at the point.

But if you don’t think that either Crawford or Maggs is not a HUGE upgrade at the SG spot over Wafer in terms of offensive capability than I don’t know what to tell you. If you are close to a championship, an upgrade like that might be enough to put you over the top.

by warriOs on May 1, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

well

considering that Wafer is currently the backup SG for the Rockets, it is I who do not know what to tell you. They don’t need a scorer off the bench at SG, since they already have one in Wafer who is slightly less talented than Maggette and Crawford, yet is being paid far less.

Currently Battier and Artest are manning the swing spots for the Rockets, and no, I don’t consider Maggette or Crawford an upgrade over either of those guys.

This isn’t even mentioning their brutal contracts.

by markdash on May 1, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maggs or Craw would be the starter, not coming off the bench.

Maggs is a 20ppg scorer and does it rather efficiently, Wafer is not a starter and to say he is only slightly less talented is an understatement, that is why he is making far less.

by warriOs on May 1, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

what about Crawford?

Plus, this whole argument is moot because, from a financial standpoint, this trade is a complete non-starter for the Rockets.

by markdash on May 1, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about New Orelans?

Going into the aborted Chandler trade, everybody considered New Orleans a contender. Not a favorite, but probably the team most capable of knocking off the Lakers in the west.

And they tried to dump their second-best player for peanuts, to cut salary. Is there any precedent for that?

Notice how the Celtics tried to spackle together the cracks in their team this year, rather than really fill them. In past years, they would have sprung for somebody else’s overpriced veteran to fill those minutes. This year? Don’t add salary. THey let House walk, which would have been a don’t-even-think-about-it five years ago.

by Ronaldinho on May 1, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

T MAC...

…will probably end up exiled in Toronto. The Rockets dont want to see him in the first or second round of the playoffs after giving up on him. You know he would score 80 on them to prove a point.

Some team will lose a big name like Bosh with Toronto and TMAC will be sent to help fill the gap. Maybe the Bucks will lose their minds and trade Redd or Jefferson for him in an attempt to revamp a perrenial loser

by warriorsvictim on May 1, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

The real perrenial loser here

is TMac’s herniated spinal column. I could be wrong, and I kinda hope I am, but I don’t see TMac revamping anything except the team’s training facility.

by ivanbe on May 1, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

T-Mac’s expiring is worth a whole lot more than two awful contracts. Its probably worth more than two players like that with good contracts.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 1, 2009 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

They would be pretty crowded at the 3.

Don’t think there would be enough minutes to go around.

"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker

by houseofprime on May 1, 2009 5:34 PM PDT reply actions  

For the record, Von Wafer gets paid ~$800k this year...

Jamal and/or Corey’s salary buys a lot of Vons; Crawford is 12x more, Corey about 10×. The Rockets can probably re-sign Von for $2-3MM. Sure, Crawford and Corey can score. But I’m sure Von would do just fine if he was given 20-30 shots per game (ala Crawford); same goes for a lot of guys in the NBA. Scoring is relatively easy to find. The only reason Houston is shorthanded with scorers this season is because they’re missing a 2x NBA leading scorer who is an absolute beast when he’s healthy — and who they thought would actually be healthy for a change…

Take a look at the Rockets salary structure and I think you’ll be surprised to realize that they might be the most opportunistically positioned team in the league in 2010. Houston only has $28MM on the books for 2010 — and that INCLUDES YAO at ~$18MM. Sure, NY has a little more cap space, but only because Houston has the #2 center in the league taking the extra room. Would you rather have Yao or Eddie Curry? Oh, and BTW, Yao expires the following year…

Morey is teed up to do some serious wheeling and dealing over the next 2 years, and he’s proving that he can round up the talent to build a contender, even with big salaries on the books. Don’t be surprised if Houston pulls in some big names looking to join a team with a credible front office and a proven coach (2x NBA Finals)…

by b.radley on May 2, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

i love it

but the post about houston and more sophisticated metrics is dead on….Here is the michael lewis article : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html Really interesting like all his reads. Sort of moneyball for the nba. Recomended read.

Too bad we dont have al anymore cause his expiring contrat plus maggette might be very attractive for t-mac. The fact they got out of first round without tmac has to make them consider trading him. But we’d have to make it a 3way deal im positive as they wouldnt want crawfrod + maggette. Tracy’s all around game is awesome. This guy averaged 6 apg for last couple seasons with only 2 to’s. Having a player like tmac next to monta + jack could only help

by tafkasam on May 3, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

that article is pure awesome

Everyone should read it. One of the best articles I’ve read in awhile

One of my favorite parts:

For most of its history basketball has measured not so much what is important as what is easy to measure — points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocked shots — and these measurements have warped perceptions of the game. ("Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot.") How many points a player scores, for example, is no true indication of how much he has helped his team. Another example: if you want to know a player’s value as a ­rebounder, you need to know not whether he got a rebound but the likelihood of the team getting the rebound when a missed shot enters that player’s zone.

There is a tension, peculiar to basketball, between the interests of the team and the interests of the individual. The game continually tempts the people who play it to do things that are not in the interest of the group…

It is in basketball where the problems are most likely to be in the game — where the player, in his play, faces choices between maximizing his own perceived self-interest and winning. The choices are sufficiently complex that there is a fair chance he doesn’t fully grasp that he is making them.
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Taking a bad shot when you don’t need to is only the most obvious example. A point guard might selfishly give up an open shot for an assist. You can see it happen every night, when he’s racing down court for an open layup, and instead of taking it, he passes it back to a trailing teammate. The teammate usually finishes with some sensational dunk, but the likelihood of scoring nevertheless declined. "The marginal assist is worth more money to the point guard than the marginal point," Morey says.

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on May 3, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh sure. Michael Lewis says that point totals can be misleading and it’s a must-read. Hell, I’ve been spouting that here for how long?

by jae on May 4, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

cant believe you havent read it...

seems right up your alley. I think its just so depressing we have the A’s who are the posterboys of this type of analysis and then our beloved warriors could not be any farther from it. Warriors are the type of team who would pick a 290 hitter with a 310 obp over a 260 hitter with a 400 obp

by tafkasam on May 4, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I read it. I’m just poking fun at the fact that it’s getting press and someone’s posting it as if it’s a revelation.

by jae on May 4, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

the irony is that anyone who would read an 8-page article about why Shane Battier is an elite talent, probably doesn’t need to read the article in the first place..

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on May 4, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

calm down jae, I rec your stuff all the time haha

you’re preaching to the choir anyway

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on May 4, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not mad at all. Score another one up to “sarcasm just doesn’t come across over the interwebs” (damn series of tubes!)

by jae on May 4, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

We need the Houston stat guy

"Steve Jackson," Battier says, "is statistically better going to his right, but he loves to go to his left — and goes to his left almost twice as often."

by JSML on May 3, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

make that guys

supposedly, Morey has a whole team of analysts/number-crunchers.

I’m not sure they’ve ever said how many, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he has up to 10 people just working numbers.

by markdash on May 3, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want

T-mac here. He will curse us more. lol

by warriorfan4life on May 3, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

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