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What does it really mean to be a fan?  Is it throwing yourself in wholeheartedly to a team you care about?  Is it about dedicating yourself to that particular team's wins and losses and letting that be a large part of your life?  I'm not really sure that either of those are the case.  I am absolutely devoted to the Warriors, moreso than any team I've ever followed, but I don't think that whether or not they win games is central to either my existence, or my fanhood.  It sounds sort of weird, but hear me out.

Star-divide

Think of it this way.  Let's say that a kid is growing up in Buffalo, NY.  This kid is surrounded by Bills fans, including his parents.  His uncle, however, is from MA and is a big Pats fan.  His uncle takes him to a couple of Patriots' games, but in the end, he still becomes a Bills fan.  He now must suffer the tortures of losing year in and year out and the pain of heartbreaking losses.  But the thing is, I don't think he'd really be better off if he were a Patriots fan.  He'd certainly get to celebrate more victories, but that's not what being a fan is all about and wouldn't really make his life any better.

The same goes for our beloved Warriors.  The franchise isn't exactly a winner and we all really want that to change, myself included.  That's an important part of being a fan, wanting your team to be successful.  On the other hand, the things that I care about as far as being a Warriors fan is concerned, don't really relate to the results.  I want to have hope that they'll win, I want to believe in the team and root for them, both of which are easier if the team is good, but mostly, I want an emotional outlet.  I want to get too involved while watching the games (and posting on GSoM).  I want to scream at my TV, jump for joy, and despise other teams.  Winning makes it easier to care about a team, but it isn't why we care about our teams.

I guess that's probably why I don't get involved with all the attacks on "bandwagon" fans.  They have their outlet elsewhere, and their threshold for having that hope and dedication to the Warriors is a bit higher.  I don't mind that they don't care as much about Warriors basketball as we do.  Probably because, to an extent, we're all bandwagon fans.

Think about it.  Would you still be a Warriors fan if they went 0-82 for the next seven seasons?  Or would you have become a fan if that were the case?  Honestly, I hope not.  You can't care about or believe in a team that has no hope to win.  Or at least, it'd be really hard to do, and might require you to know the players on a personal basis.  We grew attached to the Warriors through the moments where they provided us with that belief, that joy, and we reaffirmed it in the tough times (and we all know there have been plenty).   Of course, without any chance of winning, it gets really tough.

That brings us to today.  I'm not happy that the Warriors sucked this past season, but at least we can see room for improvement next year.  I think that management made a lot of dumb decisions, trading for Crawford, extending Jack, and to a lesser extent, the Maggette signing, but really, how much do those decisions matter in terms of bringing us a championship contender?  My guess is not that much.  We won't be a championship contender without a superstar and here's my list of superstars: LeBron (who's on a level all his own), D-Wade, Howard, CP3, Kobe.  Guys like KG and Duncan just vacated that level and guys like Melo and Rose are making an effort to join it (*Addition*: I foolishly left Roy off that list.  Apologies to Blazers fans as he seems to be the next guy who will cross the superstar threshold).  The point remains the same, there aren't many of those guys around and we aren't signing any of them in free agency.  The extra year they can get from their current teams makes it tough for us to get anywhere in contract negotiations.  We aren't New York, LA, or Chicago, so they won't get the endorsement perks for coming here either.  That leaves us with two goals as a franchise.  Draft a superstar and put an entertaining product on the floor.

Injuries this past year made it hard to call the product consistently "entertaining" but that should change this coming year.  There were plenty of bright spots to keep us watching, and it's safe to say that we can expect those bright spots to put on a good show next year.  I can't wait for the next Randolph dunk, Monta break, or Turiaf block.  Those things give us enough hope to keep us interested, but don't expect a title unless Monta, Biedrins, and Randolph all play at an all-star level and we go get another great player.  29/30 teams won't win a championship next year, but that doesn't keep me from watching, hoping that the Warriors will win every game, even if they won't win a title.  If the Warriors never win a title in my lifetime, my fan experience won't be a failure and I won't regret it and I definitely wouldn't want us to be the Lakers, overspending and always in contention.  Those rough patches let me know that I really am attached to this team.  As long as they give me a reason to stand up and cheer or be furious about boneheaded plays and bad losses, it'll be a success.  They're my outlet and the rollercoaster they keep me on does a great job of keeping me involved, win or lose.

But still,

*Let's Go Warriors!*

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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I'm with you man

It’s fans like us that go to GSOM everyday even after our team didn’t even come close to playoffs that are true Warrior fans. We do need a star, but I think we have 3 rising stars that can take us beyond. Honestly I’m going for Morrow, Randolph, and Monta. I put Morrow in this because I truly believe he is going to be someone special soon enough.

by bojangles408 on May 13, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd disagree on Morrow anything more than a role player

I see him as being more of a Kyle Korver/Eddy House type assassin from outside. That said, I’d love to be wrong and see him turn into a Ray Allen type gunner, who has a solid dribble/drive game.

As for Monta and Randolph they both have crazy upside. We can see that Monta’s effect on the Warriors offense in the limited time he was back. My an anecdotal observations, the Warriors offense seemed to generate more open looks with Monta in the line. Defenses shifted their focus off of Jackson and Crawford allowing either one to blow up on a given night. With Randolph his late season outburst was great to see, but I’m not solid on him being a star. However, I do think he’s going to develop into a solid starter and if his jumper develops he could become a matchup nightmare for opposing 4’s and 5’s.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on May 13, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Role player” is a term used, normally in a somewhat disparaging way, to designation someone who fans think of as of less importance. It tends to convey “not flashy” and, most generally, not a regular leading scorer. The value of “role players” though varies greatly. Morrow is similar to House and Korver in that he’s deadly from the outside and doesn’t do much scoring on anything else. But unlike Korver, Morrow can actually rebound his position which makes him far less of a liability on the other end of the court. This will make him significantly more valuable than Korver should he continue to play as he has.

by jae on May 14, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed, the rebounding is what makes the difference with him. because of that, there’s no reason to think that morrow couldn’t eventually be a starter on a very good team (hopefully ours). he shouldn’t be your best player, but he’s very capable of doing enough good things on the court to carve out a place as a respectable nba starter.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 14, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Role player, used by someone who knows basketball, is not disparaging in any way. 90% of players in the NBA are role players – either you’re one of the main weapons on your team, or a role player. There’s only one ball to go around, so if you aren’t the #1 or 2 option (or 3 in the rare case of the Celtics and Spurs), you’re expected to contribute in other roles – defense, shooting, rebounding, screens, etc. This talk of Morrow being a future star is absurd. Look, Morrow was a good find from the D-league. He also has an elite skill that will keep him in the league for many years as a shooter.

That doesn’t mean he’s going to become any more than a role player, though. Frankly, he isn’t athletic enough to develop into any more than a role player. He’s never going to be Ray Allen, because no matter how hard he works on his moves and ballhandling, he’s never going to be the dribble drive threat Allen is because he isn’t quick enough. Basically, what this means is he’ll never be able to create his own shot effectively and consistently.

However, if he can rebound well (though rebounding out of a 2 is not very important – more important if he plays 3, though), and can play D, he can become a nice piece to have as a starter. By the way, don’t undersell House as a scorer – he certainly has his shortcomings but he knows how to score and can create his own shot – it just isn’t necessary for him to do so in Boston. Terry is the same way – he can consistently create his own shot. That’s not Morrow – he isn’t going to be a 20 ppg guy, so let’s temper our expectations back down to reality a bit.

by Missing Barry on May 21, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

though rebounding out of a 2 is not very important

This is false. Rebounding out of a 2, relative to others who play the position is as important as it is to any other position. The increased probabilitz of winning that comes with any additional rebound (and rebounds do most clearlz increase the probabilitz of winning) is independent of the position of the plazer who gets them. If zou have a verz strong rebounder in the backcourt who outrebounds his man, it is just as valuable as having a verz strong rebounder in the frontcourt who similarlz outrebounds his man bz the same absolute amount.

by jae on May 21, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree on morrow

he was a rookie and led the league in 3pt percentage that is ridiculous when you think about the difference of the NBA three and the college 3 the year before. Usually rookies have a lot of struggles with three’s there first couple of years. Some of his stat lines make you believe he can be a star … maybe not an all star but a 20 pts a game type a guy. 37 and 11 against the clippers, 33 and 12 against the suns, 29 points on 10 of 11 shooting against dallas… I don’t see eddie house or kyle korver doing things like this but it might be because they are on better teams and don’t get as much PT. Coaches were always praising him for how he gets better at things and as the year goes on he got better at many other things besides his stroke. But anyways, you gotta love a guy that goes undrafted and just works his tail off and had to fight his way into the league and just loves the fact that he is actually in the NBA I love A-Mo

by FeartheBeard4 on May 13, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

morrow's upside

i think morrow will still shoot a great percentage once he gets more minutes and shoots 400 3’s in a season rather than 150 or so. that said, he doesn’t have the dribble drive game of a ray allen right now and looks to be on the path of a korver type spot up shooter.

but we’ll see after this summer what kind of work ethic morrow has, and if he improves at shooting off the dribble, driving to the hoop, defense, body strength, etc. without a ton of improvement i see him as a kyle korver MINIMUM….and with improvements i see his ceiling as a jason terry type.

by Brickowski BOOM on May 14, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's simple

Being a fan of a team means that you care whether they win or lose.

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on May 13, 2009 11:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you read my thoughts cap ..howd you do that?

And yes we all care whether they win or loose.

by Only In Fairfax on May 13, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

bing...
I’d disagree on Morrow anything more than a role player
I see him as being more of a Kyle Korver/Eddy House type assassin from outside. That said, I’d love to be wrong and see him turn into a Ray Allen type gunner, who has a solid dribble/drive game.

Lets not get carried away i dont think he will turn out ro be like ray, but also i believe that he isnt just a role player, to be honest he impresses me when i watch him. He GETS OFFENSIVE BOARDS because he wants to stay on the floor longer which forces him to work a lot harder. but he could work on his handles, and work on taking it in. but overal he was a great pick up from the D-League just like Buike

J-Rich, Boom Dizzle and Matt Barnes will always be missed

by JayDeeAye on May 13, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

good point on him being a great pickup

However, I have two things to say. First is nic-picky, which is that Morrow wasn’t a D-League guy, he was a undraft rookie who made the Miami Heat’s camp, but wasn’t kept after their Orlando summer league session ended. I believe the Warriors either added him for the Vegas league or Rockie Mountain league where he played lights out and earned a roster spot.

Second, the poster I was responding to said that Morrow was one of our 3 rising stars. I contend that he’s merely a high scoring rolling player and not a rising star. That is unless you consider guy like Vernon Maxwell, Dale Ellis, BJ Armstrong, Steve Kerr, Fred Hoiberg Kyle Kover, Roger Mason Jr, Jason Kapono or Eddie House stars. That’s the type of guy I see Morrow being. Maybe those guys are more that just roll players, but I don’t see him being much better than anyone of the guys (historically or currently) that listed. Like I said before, I’d love to proven completely wrong but that’s the way I see it.

Here’s a link to basketball-reference.com’s list of single season 3-PT shooting percentage leaders. Morrow’s 0.4674 percentage ranked as 26th best of all-time.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on May 13, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're nothing alike

Morrow is 6’5", slow, a good rebounder, and a poor distributor. JET is 6’1", fast, a poor rebounder and a good distributor. They are both basketball players, though.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on May 14, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

?!

what are you talking about?! Both of them rock the headband look most of the time. If thats not a similar skill set I don’t know what is.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 14, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus they're black

And they’re both right handed (I think, either way they both have hands). And they like playing basketball. And they both came from colleges that have vowels in their name… a lot of similarities there.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
AB1=TK

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 14, 2009 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

You forgot to mention that they both speak English as their primary language too.

LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.

by misterjennings on May 14, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hes going to be

a MINI ray allen! mark my words!

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on May 13, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

great post

 but i think monta an randolph will one day be the new stars on the horizon starting next year

ME8 for MVP

by NH101 on May 13, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

fans here indeed can appreciate

they’re not in Buffalo—blizzards completely burying streets, ice storms, salted roads corroding everything, depression a long-time accepted mode of existence. They had a decent nba team [randy + elmore smith, mcadoo], once upon a time were an AFL powerhouse, and what’s left is the Stirling LA legacy and becoming a footnote in the afc/east.

We’re at the point we should not hope for a championship with the present ownership, not that they have even a slight chance with their established and well-earned .37 winning percentage. They in no way deserve the financial rewards nor the prestige of a great team. Let us hope we have a team that plays well as a team with guys on the court who have good heads and hearts to go along with world class skills—and luck is about all we can hope for in finding them.

by the.monk on May 13, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jesus Ray

can shoot anywhere and gets his shots off in a number of ways. He is an expert at getting open thru screens and can also create his own shot.

Morrow has shown the ability to hit 3 pointers at a high percentage. Occasionally he’ll hit a contested one after taking 2-3 dribbles in place (similar to Jax).

I don’t see the Ray Allen, I see Hershey Hawkins.

LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.

by misterjennings on May 14, 2009 7:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Occasionally he’ll hit a contested one after taking 2-3 dribbles in place (similar to Jax).

If he can maintain his “best in the NBA” 3pt%, I’m ok with him taking 15-20 dribbles in place, running out the shot clock, drawing all five defenders, and taking a hook shot from 40 feet. that way, the entire defense is out of rebounding position so even if he doesn’t make it, we still get an easy putback.

Whatever Morrow has been doing is working for him. Is he drawing the toughest defender? No. Is he the first thing opponents worry about? Unlikely. Does he score effectively? Heck yes. Could he keep it up as a more primary scorer, and if the Warriors ran plays for him? Maybe… we’ll see next season.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
AB1=TK

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 14, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hersey Hawkins

Was a damn good player in his day. Morrow has a couple of inches of height and length on him — If he becomes Hawkins with the length to guard NBA two-guards, I’d be thrilled with that. Ray Allen is such fantasyland comp that it’s really unfair to burden young Morrow with it.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on May 14, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morrow has a couple of inches of height and length on him

I suspect this holds true for the rest of the current NBA vs. past players. Does anybody have any hard data on average height/weight of players through the years? It’d be interesting to see.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
AB1=TK

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 14, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Basketball-Reference.com

Hersey R. Hawkins
Position: Guard
Height: 6-3 Weight: 190 lbs.
Born: September 29, 1966 in Chicago, Illinois
High School: Westinghouse Vocational in Chicago, Illinois
College: Bradley University
Drafted by the Los Angeles Clippers in the 1st round (6th pick, 6th overall) of the 1988 NBA draft.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hawkihe01.html

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on May 22, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Note on Hawkins

As a diehard Sonics fan I remember this tid-bit about Hawkins. He grew early and a lot of his development in early HS was at center. That’s right CENTER… therefore, he had a pretty solid post game. Kevin Calbero (former Sonics announcer who does B and C games now for ESPN) would point this out all the time. The sonics would post him and/or Gary Payton on smaller guard all the time. Furthermore, Hawkins as another ball hawk for the Sonics… Oh those were the days…

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on May 22, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Occasionally he’ll hit a contested one after taking 2-3 dribbles in place (similar to Jax).

Morrow can and has hit quite a number of challenged 3’s. You make it sound like all he can do is hit wide open looks…

by Goldenstarter on May 14, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You seem to be trying to imply that all he does is hit contested threes...

When that’s clearly not the case. Mr. Jennings was trying to say that he’s a good shooter, not that all he does is take wide open 3s. If that’s what he wanted to say, he would have said it.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
AB1=TK

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 14, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

appreciate the day to day stuff

i’m still bitter and angry over what happened when my Sonics were ripped from Seattle. but one thing i realized through it all: appreciate being a fan in the day to day stuff like reading blogs, newspapers, watching games, etc. from July 2006 through July 2008 on a daily basis Sonics fans had to read or hear some news about relocation…it sucked. all i wanted was to follow the team without hearing negative news, to ENJOY following the team again and everything basketball related.

i guess what i’m saying is even bad news for a team like the warriors is good news…because news that maggette was just signed and highly overpaid for $50 mil is better than news that the team might move to Kansas City. ENJOY THE ROLLER COASTER!!

by Brickowski BOOM on May 14, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what?

We might move to KC? Nah.

by bonbrillio on May 21, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh...

You want to see something sick… check out my SBN profile picture. That a pic of me that ran on the cover of the Seattle Times that day the team officially moved to OKC. Hopefully those bastards die young and that franchise becomes the Clippers of 21 Century (though with Wiz Kid Presti running things I doubt the later will happen).

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on May 22, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Cohan would

kiss you on your forehead if he could. It’s exactly this kind of blind devotion that he, and other owners bank on. You however, show a great understanding of the blind devotion. I think I share in it, but I find I’m a little bit more cynical, especially toward bandwagoners. I find it easier, sometimes, when we do suck because the bandwagon is free of the extra weight. My main gripe with last year’s team is that we took a step back, while making efforts (supposedly- ie Maggette signing, Crawford trade-which you mentioned) to do just the opposite.
I just want us to compete, and win the games we are supposed to win. When we fail to do that, it more than angers me. In all, well said.

by bonbrillio on May 21, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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