RUMOR: Warriors targeting Chris Bosh
by Atma Brother ONE on May 15, 2009 10:01 AM PDT
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PrintGSoM friend Tim Kawakami's got the scoop [Talking Points]:
But, if the Warriors don't experience a total lottery luck-out, then [Larry] Riley's mandate is to go get a proven, vital young veteran.
The main targeted veteran, I'm told, is Toronto's Chris Bosh-no surprise, given how hard Riley tried to get him at last year's trade deadline.
You can tell CB4 wants to play in the Wild Wild West.
Jump for a few quick thoughts.
If Larry Riley can bring in Chris Bosh:
- that will give him instant credibility as a front office executive. The media and many fans seem to have already written him off as nothing but a "puppet" which he very admirable directly addressed in his opening press conference. I doubt everyone would be singing that song if he netted Bosh.
- he will have done something Chris Mullin couldn't do as a front office executive of the Warriors for 5 long years- bring in a legit star power forward.
- he will have upgraded this roster like Beyonce. Bosh is a superior player to anyone on this current Golden State Warriors roster.
- for just something like Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright, and Marco Belinelli (as Tim tossed out) the Dubs have to do it. Not that he isn't a very nice player already, but Biedrins has pretty much topped out unless he dedicates himself to playing good defense and improving his incredibly limited offensive repertoire. Wright has proven to be injury-prone and incredibly soft in his first two seasons in the league- refusing to part ways with him right now is fairly ridiculous. Belinelli is a borderline NBA talent who has played no more than a dozen or so decent games at this level. They're all expendable.
- without moving Anthony Randolph then I'm all for it- I'd be ecstatic. AR appeared to be a cry-baby with questionable work ethic and low hoops IQ for most of the season. Credit both Randolph's re-dedication and the coaching staff's patience and ultimatums for the intriguing young talent we saw at the end of the season.
- for a package containing both Biedrins and Randolph the Warriors will still be winners in the trade. Unlike Biedrins, Bosh is a player other teams have to plan around and strategize against. He's the real deal and is pretty much guaranteed to be the Dubs first All-Star since that man who had trouble feeding his family on an NBA paycheck. I'm more than amused by Randolph's ridiculous upside (which is saying something because I rarely buy into player development or mythical playing potential for raw young players- especially on the Dubs), but it could take him years to average 22 points and 10 rebounds with about as many assists as turnovers which is what Bosh can do NOW if AR ever even gets there (which is not a given by any stretch of the imagination). After 1 playoff appearance in 15 years, do you really want to wait to see if he might become a 20-10 big man? If there's a way to win now by cashing in on his potential in the present, then it doesn't make much sense to wait.
- the Warriors better have a good back-up plan if he opts out and leaves in the summer of 2010. Still, wouldn't you rather have Bosh's Bird rights as your trading chip than anyone else on this less than stellar Warriors roster?
- the Warriors will not win under 30 games next season and actually be watchable. Shoot they might even instantly be good enough for that P-word.
Now that's a lot of if's.
You win in this league with superstars and stars. I'm not convinced that Bosh is a superstar or will ever be one. I do think that's a big red flag that the Craptors couldn't even qualify for the "Not-So-Elite-8" in the Leastern Conference this past season. But he is a legit All-Star caliber big man and a proven commodity (Career Numbers via Yahoo! Sports). Those are hard to come by, especially for the Golden State Warriors who haven't had an All-Star power forward since Nate the Great Thurmond in 1974. (NINETEEN SEVENTY-FOUR for crying out loud!)
If the Warriors can net trade Chris Bosh this summer (and I'm not saying the Raptors are dumb enough to do it for what "assets" the Warriors have), they've got to do it. It could be a franchise altering move just like the trade for Baron Davis back in 2005.
BRING BOSH TO THE BAY.
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bosh for biedrins, wright, and marco would be doable for me. you start a bosh/randolph front court and bring turiaf off the bench, getting minutes at both c and pf and grab someone else who can back up the 4. i’d be down. one concern would be if we could actually resign him. if we could set up an extention, a bosh/randolph frontcourt would be something to get excited about. it would make it all the more important to make a deal to get maggs or crawford off the books though. if we couldn’t do that, we’d likely have a chris bosh rental on our hands, and i’d be less excited about that.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
need to get rid of jamal or maggs
If we can get rid of maggs or jamal’s contract for bosh somehow would be perfect. Add bwright and perhaps marco and then we are talking. Of course they probably will want beans, whcih will be the hard choice
I’m more than amused by Randolph’s ridiculous upside (which is saying something because I rarely buy into player development or mythical playing potential for raw young players- especially on the Dubs), but it could take him years to average 22 points and 10 rebounds with about as many assists as turnovers which is what Bosh can do NOW if AR ever even gets there (which is not a given by any stretch of the imagination)
exactly. bosh = instant improvement. nobody should be upset about us going after bosh, upgrading our current talents to one supertalent is the logical next step and allows to have a roster with big threats in the frontcourt and backcourt. This also creates the mismatches that will allow our other players to shine.
Sure theres no guarantee this would get us to the playoffs next year and no way of knowing that bosh will stay. I havent been convinced otherwise by anyone else. Riley seems dedicated, we know the bay can potentially become an attractive home to stars, but is it enough?
the
problem is bosh isn’t a sure thing. What if he screws us over and signs with new york or something?
salary relief to sign someone else?
If things go well and the team clicks, he may stay. If not, he leaves.
Somebody said this on some blog
“Bosh: Franchise player of a lottery team”
Exactly correct. Bosh will never do anything unless he’s surrounded by quality talent. If we give up the farm to get him, we’re no better off than we started and he’ll likely just bolt at his first chance. If we give up any combination of Biedrins, Monta, and Randolph, we’re giving up way too much talent.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 15, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Whoa...
How do I get a shot out in someone’s signature like AB1 just did? I want to be hella popular tooooooo
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"No no Nene!"
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 15, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll be here all week....
Or month… year, decade, whatever.
"No no Nene!"
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 15, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Most players will never do anything unless they’re surrounded by quality talent. It’s true of Kobe, despite the many (all of them inaccurate, even before the rise of Lebron) calls that he’s the best player in the game. Without a star-production big, Kobe holds the fort on a .500 team. Without star production counterparts, Bosh will hold the fort on a team hoping to get to .500.
I wouldn’t make a trade for Bosh without a contract extension worked out and signed in advance.
If we had 2 Biedrins and 2 Randolphs
We could give up one of each and it’d work.
Without star production counterparts, Bosh will hold the fort on a team hoping to get to .500.
Yep.
I wouldn’t make a trade for Bosh without a contract extension worked out and signed in advance.
Yep, and I hope that fact deters this acquisition. I don’t see Bosh wanting to come here without a viable “plan” (I know, foreign concept to the Warriors), AND existing talent in place for that plan to be feasible (i.e. we’d have to keep enough talent back from a trade for him to want to come here, which would make the Raptor’s FO less likely to want the trade).
Hey, if we can get Bosh for marbles Crawford, and a case of beer, I’m all for it.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1
by Dubs fan in Boston on May 15, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Please do not trade Randolph!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
How about this?
Bosh and Banks
for
Biedrins, Maggette, and Wright
Toronto receives 2 starters and potential future starting PF
theyre giving up an all star
theyd probably want belinelli or buike thrown in as well… and isntead of banks get rid of kapono
The fanshot on this 2 days ago not good enough?
More from the TK rummor mill.
The only way this works is if we give up one of our young bigs and a bad contract and it would still leave a bad taste in my mouth. (Unless its Wright but why would they do that)
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
How much of an upgrade is Bosh over Biedrins?
Yeah, he’s got prettier post moves. He’s more obviously “athletic.”
But this team doesn’t really need more scoring.
It always makes me nervous when the motivation for a trade is for the new GM to make a splash. Certainly Bosh would get a lot of fans excited. But if we give up Biedrins for him, does he really make us better?
+1
It always makes me nervous when the motivation for a trade is for the new GM to make a splash.
I’m a little nervous that the FO could do something stupid that seems like a good move on the surface just to make it look like we are heading in a better direction. AB, Randolph, Morrow and our pick is the kind of deal I could see happening just so they can say “Look! we got a legit All-Star!!”
Thing 2
by olympicmike on May 15, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Clippers used to be the team I would root for if we were no longer in the picture
Since us and their fans can totally relate to one another, but then Durant came into the league, so I got with the Thunder
You got with Thunder?!?!?
Scandal. Maybe that’s why he was let go.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on May 15, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If freakin awesomeness is the criteria
Why not root for Cleveland?
LeBron with one arm tied behind his back is more freakin awesome than Kevin Durant.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on May 15, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Bosh is more versatile in that he is an efficient and effective scorer. He’s not a great rebounder, but he rebounds his position well enough if he’s your PF and you have a center alongside him. His rebounding as a lone big would leave something to be desired.
Bosh could be an upgrade, although I think it’s less of one than the “but he’s an all-star” thinking makes it out to be. At equal dollar, Bosh probably provides more in that he allows for more possibilities on the rest of the court. Bosh will not command equal dollar though. He’ll expect, and probably get, a max salary. He has not produced enough to justify that. Only guys who are productive enough to make your team a serious title contender should be getting paid that much, else you’re stuck with a big payroll and no means to improve the team.
at this point I’m not willing to trade Randolph or Ellis for Bosh. Who knows if he will even resign. Plus he has not shown that he couuld lead a team to the promise land. BEfore I wanted him but the more I see Randolph the more confident I feel about our future. No way would I want to include Randolph in any deal. I’ll take calderon from them for something though
I don’t understand how making a trade for Bosh would convince anyone that Larry Riley isn’t a puppet.
Couldn’t the move just be orchestrated by the puppetmaster?
Or have you never actually seen a puppet before?
If Riley wants to prove he's not a puppet . . .
He should go sign Marcus Williams.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on May 16, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I never understood why we released him to begin with
The very few minutes he did get to play with us, I liked what I saw. I felt he could be a creator.
re: I never understood why we released him to begin with
To set up Riley’s master-stroke of independence. Nothing wrong with Williams’s game or attitude and certainly not his shot-selection. This was a part of a series of pre-meditated moves by Warriors MISmanagement (Oh no I didn’t!) to set Riley up for his signature move as his own man.
Phase II will be adding Patrick Ewing and John Starks to the coaching staff.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on May 16, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you know?
That it’s allowed by the collective bargaining agreement for Bosh to re-sign here after his current contract expires?
Weird, huh?
Did you know that NBA players don't really like playing here
Weird, huh?
If there’s an agreement in place for him to re-sign, then great. If there isn’t, that says that he’s not likely to stick around… which would be turible.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 15, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you know he’s not likely to stick around? The Warriors could pay him more than anyone else in the league.
We as fans like to fancy that players like to go to a winner, go to a big market, etc. etc. but when it comes down to it, 90-95% of guys choose the paycheck over everything else.
Also, what evidence do we have for “players don’t like to play here?” I hear that repeated a lot, but I’m not sure this position is supported by an abundance of evidence.
Almost as weird...
…as Bosh resigning with the biggest managerial laughingstock in the league after a season in which I highly doubt they’ll make the playoffs. Also, our coach is Don Nelson, and with Don Nelson, there’s always the chance he just won’t like a guy and butt heads with him. As a result, the volatility involved with our roster is probably worse than with most teams I can think of.
I think players would rather play in Golden State than in Toronto. And you Golden State fans are probably the best fans in the league.
by The Project on May 15, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
All I want to know
Is how the photographer got Bosh to put on that outfit!
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If we got bosh
How much worse could we be? I think better. And like somebody mentioned above the other teams would have to plan around him. I would hope to keep AR though anyone else IMO can go. AR would be back-up if Bosh left next year. Then we could have only have back up of a lot of cap space and through it all at Stoudmire or somebody at the all star level. also that would need to go in the deal? would be Crawford and maggs? or at leats 1 of the 2. we need them off the books. wasted money… Make something happen though please. This curent lineup aint going to scare anyone..
"How much worse could we be?"
A LOT worse.
Are you even asking? How long have you been a Warriors fan?
If we trade Biedrins for Bosh, and then Bosh leaves, then we’ve lost one of our most productive players for nothing. Sure we can take a run at Stoudamire, but without the advantages of being his team (eg, the ability to pay him more than anybody else!) why would you expect to be able to land him?
Remember this, as well, when it comes to Crawford: When you are hoping that a guy exercises his player option and leaves the team, he doesn’t add value in a trade.
We’re a bad rebounding team and Bosh is a worse rebounder than Biedrins. So yes, he’d add some scoring, but at what cost? This team’s problem isn’t scoring points.
As for the notion of Bosh scaring anyone, I offer up two sets of numbers:
Toronto: 33 33 27 47 41 43
G. State: 37 34 34 42 48 29
Those our the number of wins each team has had every year Bosh has been in the league.
In other words: Bosh does not turn a team into a winner. The notion that he’s going to make some huge change in our performance seems unlikely.
(Although I do expect us to get around 10-12 wins more next season, simply having Monta back all year. )
by Ronaldinho on May 15, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we get Bosh
It’ll take the entire year for the team to gel and develop chemistry AGAIN and we’re gonna end up with 30-35 wins yet AGAIN. And that won’t satisfy Bosh and he’ll leave and we’re back to square one. DONT DO IT!
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
When really good players show up on teams, it rarely takes long for the “chemistry” come together. When players who aren’t that good, but have been hyped to high heaven show up and the team doesn’t radically improve, finger pointing at the ‘chemistry’ problems start and people wait for things to ‘gel’. Rarely do things ever ‘gel’ under such circumstances, though it’s probable that Bosh would demand a max contract before we had a chance to find out.
by jae on May 15, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When really good players show up on teams, it rarely takes long for the "chemistry" come together.
I’m with JAE.
Exhibit A: KG on the 2008 NBA Champion Boston Celtcs
Exhibit B: Rasheed Wallace on the 2003 NBA Champion Detroit Pistons
Exhibit C: Chauncey Billups on the 2009 Western Conference Finals participant Denver Nuggets
Now Bosh arguably isn’t in their caliber, but I don’t think it will take a full year to see radical improvements on that 29 win total with him on board.
by Atma Brother ONE on May 15, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
ha
totally fair comment. i guess that the deal suggested in the post makes us a little better (but not radically better) and getting a healthy-ish year out of the guys we had certainly pushes us into playoff contention.
a lineup of bosh/AR/maggs or buike/jack/monta with our bench doesn’t look bad at all. you can’t say the same thing about that lineup minus AR. we would get murdered on the glass, night in and night out.
it’ll come down to whether or not we are able to shed the salary needed to resign bosh and getting that deal in place before the trade. a bosh rental for biedrins and pieces doesn’t sound appealling to me at all.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Haha
Sorry to come off so snarky man. I was just cracking up when I wrote that and I couldn’t resist hitting POST.
by Atma Brother ONE on May 15, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...
That user-name is kind of asking for it. As for the actual obvious idea that “it depends who we trade for him”, it is obvious. But considering the vast space between the different proposals being thrown around I think you’d have a hard time overstating the fact that the devil is in the details in a deal like this. Getting Bosh could help turn this team around, but it could set us back and make it hard to improve moving forward.
Thing 2
Too bad the Lakers had to give up Kwame for him. Imagine how good their front court could have been! Lollll
by Goldenstarter on May 15, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember, we'll have Monta back next year, too ...
“Now Bosh arguably isn’t in their caliber, but I don’t think it will take a full year to see radical improvements on that 29 win total with him on board.”
This year is a bad year to use to evaluate our overall talent level, because a player many of us expected to be our most productive spent the bulk of the year on the DL. So if we trade Biedrins for Bosh, and we hit 40 wins, don’t jump and down and attribute that all to Bosh. Next year we’ll have Monta back.
I vote for:
Don’t trade any of the above.
Go warriors still or something.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on May 15, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Agreed
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by JustSomeName on May 15, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Not even Wright?
The ten GSoMers who consider Brandan Wright the most untouchable Warrior in a deal must stand up and be counted. ;-P
Personally, I don’t consider any of them “untouchable,” but NO FREAKING WAY would I trade three cheap years of Anthony Randolph for a year of Bosh at $14M plus a max-level extension (and I don’t want Bosh at all without at least a verbal agreement to an extension).
Given the proximity to the end of Bosh’s contract, Toronto doesn’t have a huge amount of leverage in a Bosh deal. They’re almost certainly going to lose him next year, so their options are either to get the most they can for him or just let him walk for space under the cap. We should start with an offer of Maggs/Wright/Belli and the #7. It works salary-wise, and infuses them with some serious talent and production; plus they get a nice l’il marketing schtick, in a city with the biggest ethnic talian population outside of Italy, with the “Barg/Beli” combinazione. If they balk at that deal, we offer to switch out Maggs for Craw (worse player, shorter deal). If they still balk, we tell them to go see if they can find better.
In any case, NO to anything involving Randolph. If we dump him for anything less than a Top 10 player (and Bosh is slightly less than a Top 10 player, imo) I may have to take some time off from supporting the Warriors. Seriously. I’ll just follow Baumerworld, Iggy, DJ Fuzzy Logic, Coma, GSDubz, OptionZero, Skeptic con Urquell et al., up to the Great Hall of ex-GSoMers in the sky…
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on May 15, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Randolph significantly changed my opinion of his game over the last half of the season. While Bosh is still a more productive player, and it’s still a longshot for AR to ever equal Bosh on offense, the price differential is huge. A gamble on Randolph for 3 more years at low dollar vs a gamble on Bosh, more or less guaranteed to make him the top of our salary structure and it’s a no-brainer.
randolph probably won’t equal bosh on offense, but i’d guess he’ll continue to wipe the floor with bosh when it comes to rebounding, an area that has been sorely lacking on this team for a while. randolph cannot be a part of a bosh deal that i could live with unless there are some serious concessions on the raptors end (ie calderon and a couple picks or a willingness to take on our bad contracts).
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
OK, OK, I read it wrong and to fast here at work
and thought it said who WOULD you give up for Bosh…
No take backs though.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
Scribblesies?
What about erasies?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1
by Dubs fan in Boston on May 19, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
"The ten GSoMers who consider Brandan Wright the most untouchable Warrior in a deal must stand up and be counted. ;-P"
That’s just as absurd as the people who say trade everything.
I mean, we KNOW that by himself Bosh isn’t going to take you very far. We’ve seen that situation in Toronto.
But 74 people (unless that’s Atma voting 74 times :P) said they’d trade our entire team for Bosh.
People, he’s not that good!
Sleepy Freud
Sup man.
I wouldn’t consider Wright the “most untouchable”. I do love what he brings to the Warriors and I have been enamored with the assembled team of BW, AR, Turiaf, and AB. (the trio of BW, Turiaf, and AB or AR, Turiaf, and AB). Ever since the preseason of 2008-09 when they assemled a team with that front court, I have been excited about the Warriors team (even though we ended up with a crappy record this year).
I just thought to myself, “Block Party!”……. “Damn…this team could seriously be a very good defensive team if there ever was an emphasis on team defense.” As the great Rick Barry said, “Defense wins Championships”.
Then I thought to myself, “Wow, what if AR played the 2 and had BW, Turiaf and AB on the floor at the same time!”
I too believe AR is the most untouchable Warrior as alot of Warrior Fans favor. I don’t remember what Sports Analyst said it (during the controversial discussions of AR’s lack of playing time and AR’s relationship with Nellie), but he mentioned that Randolph will be a Superstar in this league and will be in the Top 5 Best Players in the NBA. That was mentioned very early in the season and even back then I had no argument with his prediction.
Out of that list above in the Poll, honestly I do think Wright is the most expendable one. But if I were the GM of the Warriors, I would prefer to keep the core of guys we have on the team. I believe in team chemistry and it seems like all guys on the Dubs get along real well. I think we have enough talent where we are only still one piece away from being a great contender in the league. I really think all we need is a Carl Landry or Chuck Hayes where all they care about is grabbin boards and playing tough defense. (if Nelson continues to coach, then it won’t work but I think if Keith Smart was given more authority in decision making I think Keith is willing to give those type players like them a chance to play.)
I say we are still one piece away because I still believe Marco Belinelli CAN be our answer to our PG problem. To me, he showed a lot of promising convictions that he can be a very good Point for us. He is a pure shooter, can create high percentage shots for his teammates, can run the floor well, and can be a very good defender against the opposing team’s backcourt alongside Monta who currently is a liability on defense. Bob Fitzgerald always mentions we need a big PG alongside Monta. Well Marco is 6’5 and can be surprisingly tough against his opponents. What if he was given the keys to run the 1 from the very start of next season? It will certainly inject a confidence provider into Rocky and I would really like to see how that would develop.
We have sure shot gunners in Morrow and Belinelli. What if Monta comes back to his consistent old self and shoots 65% from FG for the whole season? And then we even have Kazubuike shooting a high percentage from 3PT land next to A-Mo.
Keep this core together and watch a swagger start to develop where they start to believe they are better than anyone on this planet. Give me that mentality and I’ll be set with this squad because I am already satisfied with the fire power we already have.
Realistically, we are going to change up the roster only because everyone is so convinced we won’t make the post season next year with the current roster. That is true, but I would rather keep the current roster and try to add that missing piece I mentioned in paragraph 3.
Just my thoughts.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on May 18, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Just know
We wont get another lucky deal like we did before to get Davis and turn the franchise around…. To get a Bosh? We need to give something.. How about Amare?? How do any of u guys feel about him? He maybe moved this summer too.. I think he could be just as good as Bosh. Just not the “complete” game. I’d give up Beans and Maggs for Amare in a heart beat!! Ronny could hold down the 5 quite well himself.
Ronny Turiaf...
…is not an NBA starting center. He’d average fifteen minutes a game before fouling out. I love him as a backup, but planning on starter’s minutes from him is near suicide, I’d reckon. Besides that, if we get Bosh, he’s going to play the 5. Does anybody honestly think Nelson would play him at the 4?
Ronny Turiaf
Didn’t Ronny start maybe 25 out of the last 30 games while Beans was hurt? He averaged about 30 minutes a game and produced well enough. Gave 100% energy. Rebounded and blocked shoots. And hey no problem with Bosh playing 5 and Ronny off the bench and AR manning the 4. Sal good baby. Just get the trade done. We need to stop being conservative and get a star.
Didn’t Ronny start maybe 25 out of the last 30 games
Ronny as starter with Bosh +AR and Bosh as W’s froncourt looks even more desperate than 08-09 Raptors
…allstar …yeah whatever
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by Lat We N Trash on May 15, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Well my bad somebody said Bosh would man the 5.. so forget my last comment. lol. i’m just saying IMO? That I don’t think Ronny could do any worse at the 5 than Beans (if we traded away beans or included him in a trade to get bosh). But i guess Bosh has no proven record either right? 3 allstar games. voted on 2 times by fans?? hmm how many allstars have we had on the team in the last 15 years?? Spree where are u. We need an identiy. I’m not saying it needs to be Bosh. But some with a great caliber like him. Sorry but I don’t think M.E. is the team guy. His size is killing us evey year. yeah he can score at almost will. But we still need to somehow get a great Pg. If we needed to unload Monte to get a Proven allstar PG? I’d do it. Just IMO though.
( : nevermind
i m just another degenerate
actually i m little bit of sick from this Bosh W’s rumors -here you can read 9 pages of high quality knowledge and homerism about this trade
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by Lat We N Trash on May 15, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
two out of three...
Gave 100% energy. Rebounded and blocked shoots.
He did rebound, but he didn’t do it very well. IMO that’s the biggest thing holding him back from being a solid starter. Unfortunately it’s not likely to change. His fouls are an issue too, but considering how aggressive he is going after shots it’s reasonable to think he could bring them down if he was expected to play starters minutes on a regular basis.
Thing 2
note too
I mentioned Ronny to hold down the spot. Not be a dominate big guy. We have producers in other spots/postions to do that. He could be a better rebounder though and cut down those fouls. But U have to love his heart and effort he gives day in and day out… Also I see AR at the 4. Nellie even mentioned it at the end of the year in a radio interview that he sees AR at the 4 spot.. Just a FYI… =)
He could be a better rebounder in the sense that his rebounding is not good, so there is room to improve. But NBA players very, very rarely improve their rebounding substantially, especially not when they’re already in their mid 20s. Putting any hopes of the team on him being a better rebounder would be stupid.
We need to stop being conservative and get a star.
All stars (pun somewhat intentional) are not created equal. Just naming someone a star or having him appear in the exhibition game doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll bring enough wins to justify any move. Bosh hasn’t shown himself to be the top level of star that elevates a team so much on his own that he can overcome an otherwise substandard lineup. An overly aggressive move to get him could easily leave the Warriors with Bosh and a team that wasn’t as good as the Raptors were with Bosh and Calderon and a collection of pretty lousy players by NBA standards.
Turiaf started 26 games. He averaged just under 27 mpg in those contests. His rebounding was ever so slightly better than his regular substandard rebounding, but that rate, 8 per 36 is unacceptable from your center for the bulk of a game. It makes your defense far less effective since it makes it harder to close out a defensive stop when the other team gets more offensive rebounds. His foul rate went down some when he was a starter. The trade-off was that his blocks when down as well. He produced “well enough” in the sense that when he was a starter, we were on pace to win about 30 to 31 games, which was pretty much what we were for the season as a whole.
He gave 100% energy. He should be commended for trying to make the most of his abilities as such, but the results, not the energy used to achieve them, are what determine the outcome of games.
No Bosh in Golden State
I’ll start by saying that I’m from Toronto and a Raptors fan, so when I say “we”, I’m referring to the Toronto Raptors.
Now, we aren’t giving up Bosh for Biedrins, Wright and Belinelli. Belinelli is probably the only player we would want out of those three. Replace Biedrins with Ellis and it’s still a maybe. GSW has a guy than can be a Bosh type player in Randolph if given the minutes (see the April 14 game vs. SAS). GSW needs to get rid of Maggette for a point guard so that Ellis can play the SG position again, where he will be more productive. Not sure why Biedrins is getting $9 million per year and Turiaf $4 or so million a year. Biedrins produces, but Turiaf isn’t worth that $4 million (we’ll give you Marcus Banks for Turiaf by the way). Maggette and Turiaf (and maybe a future draft pick) to CHI for Hinrich, or at least try. Let Randolph develop at PF. Draft on talent and upside, not on needs (see Sam Bowie). And a last note, Marcus Williams from NJN for a future 1st rounder? Terrible. Glad Mullin is gone, but good luck with Riley (too bad it wasn’t Pat).
turiaf for banks?
turiaf was 3rd in the league in blocks last year, 2-1 assist ratio, can shoot ft, while banks is a statistical garbage(particularly last year). puff puff pass!! i hear they have some good stuff in toronto.
by farid on May 15, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
Turiaf for Banks was a bit of a joke, as Banks sucks and I don’t want him on my team. Hell, if you had the cap space, I’d give you Banks for a 2nd round pick.
how many W's games you've seen this season?
lemme guess … 1?
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by Lat We N Trash on May 15, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah -it must be so :)
Turiaf’s stats look bad -23 min 1-7 FG 2reb 2pts
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by Lat We N Trash on May 15, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
how many games did they lose this year?
do a little math
HPoYC (homerism percentage of your comments) -37 =GWLTY (games W’s lose this year)
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by Lat We N Trash on May 15, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he got it right...
Percentage of homerism in your comments = 90%
90-37=53
Looks like sound math to me. ;-P
Thing 2
yeah
53+37=90
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by Lat We N Trash on May 15, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
wow, outside of pointing out that marcus williams for a 1st rounder was dumb, i’m not sure i agree with anything you wrote here.
you wouldn’t want biedrins but you would want marco? biedrins absolutely destroys bosh’s rebounding production and while a “limited” offensive player, crashes the offensive glass and scores remarkably efficiency. on the whole he’s probably a slight downgrade to bosh (because bosh is a better on-ball defender and scorer), but if you were going to do a bosh for warriors player x+ pieces, you’d be crazy to think biedrins wouldn’t be a good centerpiece.
getting rid of maggette for a point guard? if only life were so easy. i hope he’s a big pure point guard who defends and has a great 3 point shot.
i’m also glad that you are able to declare monta ellis as “much more productive” at the sg, when no one, warriors fans included, have seen him play the point for any substantial amount of time, and he hasn’t even had a full training camp to learn the position. he’s too small to defend shooting guards, so to see how he does at the point before saying that he’s definitely a better 2 makes way more sense. he’ll probably be a better offensive player off the ball, but if his defense is even remotely acceptable for a point, he might be better served to play there.
turiaf is worth every penny of his $4M. he’s a shot blocking, defense, energy guy who is relatively skilled offensively and backs up the center position remarkably well. $4M for a back up center with game is a steal.
i want no part of maggs and turiaf for hinrich. pass. maggette is overpaid, but he’s a pretty good player and hinrich isn’t exactly a bargain. on top of that we’d have to give up the only good contract in that deal. it might not be an atrocious deal, but it’d be a panic move, based on the assumption that monta ellis can’t play the point. keep in mind, hinrich isn’t exactly a pure point. he can play the position competently, but also has played off the ball for a fair amount of his career for a reason.
please have at least a vague understanding of the team you want to comment on before coming to their blog and spewing nonsense.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
In regards to the Biedrins for Bosh argument, no, we don’t need Biedrins. We need wing players. ie. Ellis. We’ll keep our 22 and 10 guy over your 12 and 11 guy.
As for Turiaf, I can’t argue, you made some great points.
As for Corey “I’ll just put my head down and drive” Maggette. Enjoy him. He’s a selfish player.
22/10 vs 12/11
If you account for minutes played the numbers actually look like:
(Per 36 minutes)
Bosh
PTS: 21.5
FG%: 48.7
FTA: 7.6
REB: 9.5
BLK: 0.9
Andris
PTS: 14.2
FG%: 57.8
FTA: 4.2
REB: 13.4
BLK: 1.9
I’d take Bosh if it was a simple swap, but if we’d need to send AB along with some other quality pieces (Randolph? Wright? Draft pick?) it starts looking less and less desirable very quickly. I think at this point it’s safe to say that Bosh is significantly overrated and it would probably take more than he’s worth to get him. Not to mention you’d have to pay him more than he’s worth just to keep him around.
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the 13.4 vs 9.5 boards per 36 minutes is what makes me hesitant to offer up much to go with biedrins in this deal. bosh is a better player, but how much better is he? and once you factor in what we’d need to pay him vs what we’re already paying biedrins, it’d be a tough call. i’d still do it for biedrins, wright and marco though. i’d just really want to have an extention lined up and it couldn’t be for max money or the deal is flat out not worth it.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Agree...
I would not do this deal without an extension in place. I think it should be possible under the CBA but I’m not entirely sure. If it’s not possible then I would just move on. Not worth the risk.
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by olympicmike on May 17, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Now, we aren’t giving up Bosh for Biedrins, Wright and Belinelli. Belinelli is probably the only player we would want out of those three.
That’s an, uh, interesting take. If you like Marco how about we give you Crawford too. If you ask nicely we might throw in Jackson for Calderon.
Thing 2
mike are u kidding ?
whos gonna rack up all those turnovers for us? i hear calderon is not a turnover kind of a guy
ha
whos gonna rack up all those turnovers for us?
It would be tough to manage, but if we let Monta spend some time at point and let CJ handle all the fast breaks we might get close.
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I just like Belinelli’s game as it would fit Toronto’s style. Biedrins is a 12 and 11 guy, and probably always will be. No doubt that he’s is a much better rebounder than Bosh, Bargnani etc., but we need wing players, and we don’t want Crawford or Maggette. I would actually consider a Jackson for Calderon deal if our back up PG situation wasn’t so terrible. We kind of miss TJ Ford.
Be quiet everyone.
The mayor of Toronto is speaking.
I wanted to get off the ride when you said that the only one of those three the Raptors would be interested in is Belinelli.
Then I vomited in my mouth when you said that Turiaf didn’t deserve $4 million / year when he started a bungle of games for the W’s, and got all of his stats in limited minutes. I have no doubt he COULD have had higher ppg, but he is very unselfish and that is a commodity in and of itself. The way I see it he sacrificed his ppg so Don Nelson could get his chuckers all the shots they needed to prove they couldn’t get it done.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on May 15, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, unlike all his prior coaches who played him like 70 minutes per game
Honestly, I think Nelson thinks Turiaf is better than Andris. He can do many more things better, he “just” doesn’t rebound as well.
Things Turiaf does better: shoot outside, block shots, defend in the post, set screens, create space in the lane for wings on offense, pass, facilitate the offense, shoot FT, keep AR in check and celebrate.
Things Andris better: Rebound, convert at a high FG% and say “Come on man” and “That was Bullsh**t call” to the refs.
The hairdos are a wash depending on what you’re in to.
Point being, Andris will start because of his contract, but if they were both making $4m, I think Nelson would play Turiaf more minutes.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on May 16, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Honestly, I think Nelson thinks Turiaf is better than Andris. He can do many more things better, he "just" doesn’t rebound as well.
You may be right about Nellie’s preference, but that long list of things that Turiaf does better isn’t nearly as important as the short list of things Andris does better.
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by olympicmike on May 16, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
For Turiaf’s better shot, he wound up shooting less often when in games and scored less frequentlz and less often. His ‘shot’ is not something Turiaf uses enough to be an asset.
Good point...
Andris knows how to get himself in position to score and keep himself ready to receive the ball. It doesn’t look flashy but it is something that he’s very good at.
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by olympicmike on May 17, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll take a lay-in at the rim over a 20-footer 100 times out of 100 if it's availible.
I’m not one of those “Andris needs a jump shot because he needs one” people either.
If a guy can convert at close to 60% from the field, I don’t care if he craps the ball into the basket (although that would put an interesting spin on “And 1”).
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by bloodsweatndonuts on May 17, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't try to put a quantitative value on all of the respective attributes, just listed them
The issue with trying to make an objective evaluation that will conclude with “The value of Turiaf’s battery of skills is equal-to, greater, or less-than Andris’s” is that some of the components have not been satisfactorily objectively measured and contextualized.
Yah, we know FG%/EFG%/TFG%, Rebounding and Turnovers have a pretty measurable causal and correlative effect on wins an losses but I haven’t seen a good measure of man-defense, offensive spacing, weak-side-defense, passing, screen-setting, etc . . .
It’s difficult to compare things that we can objectively measure, to a fairly definitive degree, against things that have not been measured well. There is a large component of subjectivity to this particular comparison but my point was not to try and compare them in that way.
I was trying to articulate that Nelson probably prefers Turiaf as the starter because Nelson likes “basketball players” who “can do many things well”. He has also said that he feels AB has “maxed-out” his talent level and that Turiaf was much much better than he thought he was. I think Nelson is somewhat enamored with Turiaf and want’s to see how many different ways he can use him offensively. This desire is mitigated by Andris’s long-term contract and Nelson will play the vets making the big money ahead of others making less.
Conclusion? They’re both really good players to have on your team.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on May 17, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I was trying to articulate that Nelson probably prefers Turiaf as the starter because Nelson likes "basketball players" who "can do many things well".
And you did articulate it quite well. I wasn’t trying to correct you, I was just adding my two cents. I think you post was pretty spot on. I personally think that AB is significantly better than Turiaf, but I think that you could totally be right about Nellie preferring the better “all-around” player.
I remember recently that “streetballer” (works for the Warriors in some capacity, or so he says) posted about how Turiaf was the better “Nellie-ball” player. He often echoes the sentiment of management, so this could be another reason to think you are right about this.
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Nelson likes "basketball players" who "can do many things well"
every one likes basketball players who can do many things well but i suspect that Nelson more likes guys who “do many things well and some things better than others” and in this case Biedrins is better choise -he’s bin among leagues top rebounders and he’s got one of the highest career FG% from active players -i think it’s pretty good stats for starting center
He has also said that he feels AB has "maxed-out"
i think it’s traditional ‘Donald Nelson mind games’ -i remember him saying Kurz is better than AR -that’s just his way how he ‘makes players motivated’
actually i think Turiaf and AB are good combination for W’s at center spot -because they can do different things not the same thing on different levels
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by Lat We N Trash on May 17, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
haha raptor fans are smart
we warrior fans dont like Marco(i dont know why) and we think Andris Biedrins is an all star. We’d be lucky to get Bosh for anything on our roster
I don't think beans is an all star, and I think belinelli is pretty good.
Nor do I have a problem with Turiaf playing less minutes next season.
My worst fear is that the quest for Bosh ruins this team (whether we get him or not).
I’m trying to extract myself from the Bosh feeding frenzy. I’ve definitely run myself in circles by now.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on May 15, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
khmmm... -all IMO
1st Bosh isn’t KG – KG>CB
2nd -when i read
Biedrins has pretty much topped out&
Wright has proven to be injury-prone and incredibly soft&
Belinelli is a borderline NBA talentisay -tnx god it’s just Atma
nice read BTW -i’ve seen a lot of versions (from both sides)of this ‘Bosh trade’ BTW (realgm etc google)
-IMO i don’t see it happening this summer
first thing to do is get away Crawford and get some value 4 Maggette not trade for Bosh
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Well...
…he will have done something Chris Mullin couldn’t do as a front office executive of the Warriors for 5 long years- bring in a legit star power forward.
…by trading away talent Mullin drafted or acquired! That Larry Riley, he sure knows how to pull a big deal!
I disagree with the thoughts about Biedrins insofar as they seem like a circular sort of reasoning. We should be willing to trade him because he’s as good now as he’ll ever be… unless he gets better? I realize you’re highlighting what I guess is your opinion of Biedrins’ work ethic- an opinion that, in watching him these past couple years do some of the most thankless work on the team and never complaining, in addition to storming outta the gate last year… obviously, I disagree.
I suspect that there are areas in which Biedrins will never be great, such as free throw shooting, but that’s a flaw that seems endemic to the vast majority of players over seven feet tall- if you’re going to insinuate that it’s the result of laziness, then I presume that indictment would extend to all subpar free throw shooters, of which there are a ton. I don’t remember many people questioning Jason Richardson’s dedication when he shot under 70% from the line five of six seasons with us (a statistic which, at the shooting guard position, is every bit as troublesome as Biedrins’ free throwing, though I might argue it was more aberrant because 2s are supposed to be able to shoot, and more infuriating for the same reason).
I think this might have something to do with the strongly contrasting on court styles of the two players, the fact that Richardson was such a vocal and bombastic player while Biedrins is decidedly less so. I think that you see plenty of examples in society of people who work hard every day, and are never recognized for it for a myriad of reasons, some tangible and some emotional. And while I obviously don’t know Andris Biedrins, his improvement year to year is illustration enough to me that he cares, and he works.
by Zack Vank on May 15, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
This is by far the best indictment of AB1's opinions of Beans and JRich I've ever read
Thank you very much for that.
PS. Biedrins’ career FT% is better than Shaq’s.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 19, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure why Mullin gets credit for Riley turning his scraps that produced the worst season this franchise has had into an All-Star big man. If Mullin brought Bosh to the Bay he would deserve a ton of credit, but he didn’t. Plain and simple- he could not bring in a legit starting PF over the course of 5 seasons.
I realize you’re highlighting what I guess is your opinion of Biedrins’ work ethic- an opinion that, in watching him these past couple years do some of the most thankless work on the team and never complaining, in addition to storming outta the gate last year… obviously, I disagree.
Not sure how you reached that conclusion or why you’re even bring up an odd comparison to Jason Richardson.
I question Biedrins’ dedication because of that hideous stroke that’s so obviously mechanically wrong plus his soft defense. And since you’re on a J-Rich comparison, remember this is a guy who couldn’t shoot a 7 footer when he came into the league. Now he’s one of the league’s most prolific 3pt threats. He worked hard and smart at it. Biedrins has yet to do that with his free throw stroke or jumpshot- how sad is it that the average 8th grade basketball player has a better shot and form than this highly paid NBA player?
The point isn’t trade him because he’s as good as he’ll ever be. The point is don’t overvalue him in trade talks because of his age and some dream that’s he’s going to blossom into anything much better, which many commenters on this blog have been screaming for years. His D took a huge step back this year in fact.
And here’s some 7 footers or close to 7 feet (which Biedrins is) who shoot a good FT% far superior to his 55.1%:
- Yao Ming: 86.6%
- Andrea Bargani: 83.1%
- Brad Miller: 83.4%
- Mehmet Okur: 81.7%
- Zydrunas Ilgauskas: 79.9%
- Brook Lopez: 79.3%
- Jermaine O’Neal: 78.8%
- Pau Gasol: 78.1%
- Al Jefferson: 73.8%
- Marc Gasol: 73.3%
- Al Horford: 72.7%
- Marcus Camby: 72.5%
- Nene Hilario: 72.3%
- Chris Anderson: 71.8%— You read that right the Bird Man.
- Zaza Pachulia: 70.9%
- Andrew Bynum: 70.7%
It’s not impossible and it’s not too much to ask from a “franchise cornerstone”, a player many Warrior fans were labeling as untouchable not too long ago.
by Atma Brother ONE on May 19, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
A question
How many of those 7 footers who shoot over 70% have won a championship? Cuz I can name quite a few who shoot less than 70% that have. FT shooting is just one aspect of a player’s performance.
I’m not sure why Mullin gets credit for Riley turning his scraps that produced the worst season this franchise has had into an All-Star big man.
If those “scraps” are as bad as you make them seem, how exactly would they net an all star. Face it, they’re not scraps. I could become the Warriors GM, trade Monta and Biedrins for Shaq and you’d be happy about it, and give me all the credit. The fact of the matter is that Mullin acquired and kept all of the assets that Riley would be trading away, thus Mullin at least deserves some credit for amassing enough talent that an All Star (dubious as that award is) could be acquired.
why you’re even bring up an odd comparison to Jason Richardson.
Hummm…. AB1 is bashing Andris for his poor FT shooting. JRich, who had many other positive attributes, was also a poor FT shooter, but that quality seems to be routinely ignored by AB1 when touting the “leadership” and “hard-workingness” and “devotion” that JRich brought to the franchise. There’s the link!
I question Biedrins’ dedication because of that hideous stroke that’s so obviously mechanically wrong plus his soft defense.
So, Shawn Marion and Shaq, are also not dedicated to the game because of their “hideous strokes”? There are probably numerous others who have had “hideous strokes” through the years that I’m forgetting…
Now he’s one of the league’s most prolific 3pt threats.
First, if by “one of the most prolific 3pt threats” you mean 42nd of qualified shooters, then yes, JRich is awesome. Second, the Warriors currently have two of the top 5 “most prolific 3pt threats” in the entire league on their roster. Third, those two players play the same position that JRich plays and combined make 1/5th of what JRich makes. Fourth, JRich is pretty useless for much of anything but 3 pointers at this point… and that still includes his mediocre at best defense.
Biedrins has yet to do that with his free throw stroke or jumpshot- how sad is it that the average 8th grade basketball player has a better shot and form than this highly paid NBA player?
Maybe he’s been doing other things. Maybe the ball is too small in his hands. Who knows, the history of 7 footers who’ve been successful in the NBA without shooting a high FT% is long. The history of 8th graders who’ve been successful in the NBA while shooting a high FT% is non-existent. Again, Atma, in the NBA they play basketball, not horse or “who can write the best apology to fans” or “who can get the most excited”. They play basketball, and Biedrins is good at basketball.
The point isn’t trade him because he’s as good as he’ll ever be. The point is don’t overvalue him in trade talks because of his age and some dream that’s he’s going to blossom into anything much better, which many commenters on this blog have been screaming for years. His D took a huge step back this year in fact.
The point isn’t not to trade him because he’s going to get better next year. The point is not to listed to AB1 who undervalues AB15. The point is don’t undervalue him in trade talks because he doesn’t shoot 75% FTs and make 18 foot jumpshots and some dream that those are the only important things for basketball players to do. The Warriors’ front court D took a huge step back this year in fact, which lead to Biedrins having to cover their a$$es constantly, picking up more fouls, and being dunked on because he was late coming over from the other side of the court to help because Crawfor- doesn’t know what “d” is.
It’s not impossible and it’s not too much to ask from a "franchise cornerstone", a player many Warrior fans were labeling as untouchable not too long ago.
It’s not impossible, but not necessarily all that important for a “franchise cornerstone”. More important would be lock down defense, a multitude of post moves, the ability to draw more fouls, a more popular image that leads the refs/David Stern to let him get away with ish. And people who label anybody “untouchable” are stupid. Always be open to trading anyone for the right price.
AB1, give it a rest, will ya?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 20, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Not for AR,
and not without a contract extension.
That is all.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
The main reason I don't like AR included...
is because Bosh only has one year. If he was locked up long-term, then I’d be fine with it. What happens when we trade AR and Biedrins for Bosh, Bosh leaves the next year, and 3 years down the line Anthony Randolph is averaging 20 and 10? Back to the 90s.
I'm not sure Bosh will like playing center
Cause you know that’s what he’d be playing, especially if we trade AB
Bosh won’t like playing C, but he is a lot more productive playing C. He played his entire rookie season at C and his defense seemed to stand out (maybe that was because Kevin O’Neill was the coach at the time). Bosh’s defense has declined over the years, very soft defender.
Bosh’s defense has declined over the years, very soft defender.
He’ll fit right in here!
by Atma Brother ONE on May 15, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
We need a new coach if we aquire bosh
The guy is an all star and has potential to be more. But its going to take a coach who can mold him into a superstar…. I just dont see nellie as that llie will get him to average 5 more ppg, but thats about it.
i consider andris, monta, and anthony all untouchable.
if one has to be chosen, it’s andris. a front line of andris + bosh would be a top 5 front court in the NBA.
do not agree whatsoever
no one is untouchable. Randolph is closest but is still not close and probably wont ever be as good as bosh.
I've been saying it for awhile
Ship Monta, C-Mag, Wright for CB4 and Kapono/Bargnani.
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
Why, other than being a Monta homer?
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
well lets see...we are giving away more talent then we are recieving...i don't care about contracts if that trade went down we'd be a worse team...
that is why i don’t like that deal…
i think monta next year will be considered as much of an impact player as bosh…
i personally wouldn’t trade ellis for bosh straight up…
"so much losers" - hiero
id be hella down with this
run like…
pg: draft
sg: jackson
sf: randolph
pf: bosh
c: andris
daaaamn that would be nuts in like 2 years after randolph and the point guard mature more…even next year it woul dbe hella fun to watch and prob easy playoff contention
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well that’s one of the 18 accounted for
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
haha
yeah, among the listed players, Brandan Wright is the MOST tradeable. I just don’t see him being a reliable tough or assertive guy on the court, particularly on defense or rebounding side.
by IQofaWarrior on May 16, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Because on anz poll, a small percent will vote for a ridiculous answer simplz to be contrarz. If zou had a poll 3 zears ago and asked if Fisher should have been untouchable, someone would have said so. Hell, zou gotta figure that some percentage of people are drunk when thez post. I know I have been.
Hell, zou gotta figure that some percentage of people are drunk when thez post. I know I have been.
this German typo make this sentence even more impressive :)
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by Lat We N Trash on May 17, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
"I know I have been."
current moment included!
by IQofaWarrior on May 17, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Do not overpay!
Toronto may lose him and get NOTHING!!!! They do not have the leverage in this deal or any deal with any other team. Most teams are waiting until after 2010. Well this will happen before then and there are limited teams with the assets to trade for him. As bad you all think we are we do have pieces and Toronto wants them. So I could see Crawford, Mags, Wright and maybe Bellli. No Beans, No Monta, No AR!
by dungeness crabdribble on May 15, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions
LOL NICE PIC
if that picture is any indication, CB4 would absolutely adore the bay area lifestyle.
seriously though, i’d rather have amare over bosh. bosh hasn’t accomplished crap in toronto. the eastern conference.
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SELL THE TEAM COHAN…
SAVE THE FRANCHISE…
Bosh an All-Star big man since Nate??? How about C-Webb (he was not an all-star as a Warrior be well on his way)… oh that’s right, Cohan/Nellie blew that ship up.
If the Warriors consider trading Beans and/or Monta, they better package one of the three horrible contracts they signed/aquired last season (Craw, Maggs, StackJack). Throw in this year’s lottery if you’ve got to so we can get out of this cap hell.
I hope Bobby sees what this year’s crop of FA net in the market this year and realize what a fool he was to give Jax all that money. For a franchise that likes to penny pinch, why would you give that much money to someone who should be your third best player on a good team….
if biedrins,marco, and bwright are traded
thats a naasty lineup, Monta,Jack,Crawford or Maggs (depends on who’s not there), Randolph,Bosh with buike,morrow,turiaf all coming off the bench….thats close to getting to the p-word
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by Tony.psd on May 16, 2009 3:09 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
It would put butts into the seats at Oracle
But I would be all for this trade. I love Bosh and he will be a fan favorite. But once again this is a rumor that probably wont happen.
The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!
Butts alre already in the seats of Oracle
We’re known for darn near selling out even when we have a bad team.
not sure if it's already been said but...
but i’ve been wondering…if we trade beans away, who’s our replacement center? are we gonna go and sign a free agent center or start turiaf at the 5 or start bosh or randolph at the 5?
Seein the Warriors do alright withourt Beans during the time he was out
Made me realize that he is more expendable than I previously thought. Sure he is a great rebounder, which would be missed, but he has some shortcomings that became harder and harder for me to swallow as a fan. Seeing Turiaf hit jump shots, something we hadn’t seen out of our C or PF or whatever you are going to call it, seemed to space the floor a little more, open up the lane for guards to drive, and keep the defense a little more honest in general. I like Beans, but I always wonder, is he that bad at a 5-7 ft jump shot? Did he ever try shooting while growing up? For all of his progress from a clumsy, whimpy 18 year old to today, his lack of shooting is what holds him back the most (aside from his propensity to foul too often.) This rant all comes downt to the fact that I would be willing to give up anyone except AR, Turiaf, or Morrow to get Bosh. AR because of his exciting play, excellent rebounding, and the fact that I am more and more confident that he will be a very special player. Turiaf because we are already very low on big men and I feel like having him come off the bench was what the Warriors really needed during the We Believe season and the year after. Morrow because having a low post presence would open up Morrow more or they could post to Bosh, kick out to Morrow to shake the double team, and re-post to Bosh with him at a deeper position, although I could hardly see Nelson using an effective, traditional method of coaching basketball.
by Pearlsofwisdom on May 16, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions
So as someone who lives in Toronto
and watches ALOT of Toronto games, I’d have to say that Bosh isn’t going unless Biedrins or Randolph is envolved.
agreed
I’m not sold on randolph becoming as good as chris bosh. <— what i just said could make me look really stupid in a couple of years, but right now i just dont see it. i don’t want to develop players..I want players. Chris Bosh is a player. Holler at a playa. Playa’s club. etc
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
I wish we could get Bosh for Jamal, Wright and Marco. It wouldn't happen probably but
Seriously we would be unstoppable and we still keep our high draft pick.
Monta//Draft pick/CJ??
Jackson/Morrow
Azubuike/Maggs/AR
Bosh/AR
Beans/RT
We would be in contention for a championship and everyone would be talking about GSW again. Hopefully Monta will be the PG he has potential to be.
Also we could maybe sign Kidd or Miller
But for real we should try to keep all AR, AB, ME, and maybe RT, AM, and KA in any deal we can get unless we are getting an All NBA talent.
Why bother?
That has been the problem with the W’s. We already have up and comers in Randolph and Wright. Let them develop. How about saving the money and getting us some real point guards?
by Ultimate Warrior on May 17, 2009 11:30 PM PDT reply actions
LONGGGGGGG SHOT
Look, I’m an outsider to the Golden State community as I am Raptors fan from Toronto. To be honest, a lot of media has been making a bid deal out of the 2010 free agent class, but it is unfounded. In my opinion, not only will Chris Bosh sign with Toronto again, so will Lebron and DWade with their own respected teams. There is a higher chance of Joe Johnson (also a free agent that year) to be lured in by New York or someone else than the other big 3 free agents that year. Chris has reportedly stated that he hasn’t even though about it yet and the guy who started the rumour of Chris wanting out of Toronto was Stephen A. Smith – a guy who always claims he has ‘sources’ yet never states them and was recently let go from ESPN on May 1st 2009 (thank goodness)! Even Chris’s cousin has gone on record that Chris loves Toronto and will most likely re-sign. Chris lives in the SOHO downtown – the building a few down from the condo building where my buddy lives in (and Jose Calderon, and the former home of Sam Mitchell). Everyone really ‘in-the-know’ (unlike the now fired Stephen A. Smith) suggest that Chris loves Toronto as a city and would love to continue being a Raptor – he just wants to see improvement which is coming.
I’m not criticizing you guys for having discussions about Chris as fans, but to be honest, it is a long shot and the media that created the hoopla about 2010 for media reasons will look like fools when Lebron, Dwade and Chris all sign contracts that are for more money and length than any other NBA franchise can given (due to NBA CBA rules)…. Just my 2 cents.
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