RUMOR: Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell said no to Kevin Garnett because of additional salary and the luxury tax

Then I more than likely would have been for it. I remember at that time though, I didn’t want to do it because we were going to have to give up a lot of our key components for him. Plus, he’s old now. This is a young man’s team.

I don’t really buy the idea that we offered a better package than the Celtics

The phrasing suggest Wolves were putting out feelers and probably an unrealistic scenario to the Warriors to see if they bite.

It would be different if Matt says they had deal if they were willing go over the luxury tax.

You can be a little of the luxury or a whole lot. Over the luxury does not mean much without the actual number of how much you’re going to be over.

Steinmetz still doesn’t say

1. What offer we actully had on the table.
2. Whether he has an actual source, or is just blowing smoke.

I don’t usually mind Steinmetz, but If he can’t do enough homework to distinguish between “sew” and “sow,” I wouldn’t put it past him to blurt out an unfounded rumor to increase hits to his article.

I still don’t really see how our package would have trumped Boston’s, with its combination of young, legit post scorer (Jefferson), solid role player (Gomes), promising young talent (Gerald Green, who didn’t pan out, but at the time was likely not much less prized than Monta) and — probably most importantly — massive expiring contract in Ratliff.

Monta and Biedrins may or not be “overrated” right now. I suspect they’re slightly overrated by the average GSoMer — management excluded — and slightly underrated by the average NBA fan. But at the time of the trade, following a mediocre showing in the playoffs, before their breakout 07/08 campaigns, their baseline performance level was a lot lower than it is now.

Then there’s the question of whether a team built around BD/Jack/KG and a bunch of scrubs would have been a legit championship contender. My guess is that they would have been really exciting, but just short of contendership. And this season, with Baron’s alarming regression and KG’s borderline career-threatening knee issues, they would have been a good deal worse. Wth no Wright, no Monta, no AB, no Randolph … no future.

Much as I love, KG, and would have supported almost any deal that brought him here, I have to say I’m pretty happy right now with that deal not having happened. (Then again, the fact that KG brought a thrilling title and winner’s mentality to the Celtics, my #2 team, may be clouding my judgment a bit…)

In addition to the Cap and Luxury Tax they wanted alot from us. (Ellis, Biedrins, Picks, Al)

all these ridiculous revelations that have popped up in the past couple of days. great reading material

If we had a team of Baron, Jack, and KG – we’d be unstoppable. If we had to give Monta and Andris in the process (and subsequently JRich for Wright) so be it. We would have won a championship – no doubt. There was no “gamble” in that, the time was now, and it would have been.

Also, Baron probably would not have opted (just speculating).

Sure we’re not prepared for 5 years down the road – KG is out this season and who knows when he’s coming back. But honestly, who cares? A championship is a championship. When was the last time we won one of those? Before I was born!

That would have been “THE TIME IS NOW” type move. Now we’re looking down 5 years down the road….

has to have Garnett’s face transform into Roni Turiaf’s face.

in fact there was a reasonable deal on the table and it was over-ruled for financial reasons that would be disappointing. I’m not sure that was actually the case though. I’ve seen so many versions of this trade that I can’t say whether it would have been a good move or not.

I think the deal breaker was likely the fact that we couldn’t offer a large expiring contract, or any single player that looked as good as Jefferson.

As for this idea that KG+Boom+Jack=Championship, without regard to what else is left on the roster… well I think that’s absurd. We may have been a contender if we were able to fill out the roster wisely, and if everyone stayed healthy.

Is Baron, KG and Jack really better than Kobe, Gasol, Bynum and Odom? Not to mention that they would likely have a much stronger group of role players.

I think we’ve beat this dead horse enough. It’s time to move on. We all would have loved it if we could have landed KG and gone on to win a title, but getting mad at management years later with very few actual specifics of what was being discussed is just a waste of time.

What it might have taken to get the deal done quite possibly would have gutted the team. Though there is always the phenomenon where free agents want to play for a team that has good players and a system they would have fun in, and are willing to sign for a contract that isn’t twice their worth. As Warriors fans, I know this concept is hard to understand. Every decent signing we have seen in recent memory has required spending way too much, with the exception of Buike, who was at good value. Though that deal was done by Mike Dunleavy Sr. Which leads me to the sad realization that Mike Dunleavy Sr. might have more common sense than our Front Office, which hurts as I type this.

But we seem to be willing to do something like this for Bosh???

WTF!

I don’t care which players were on the table. If it took the Warriors shipping out their overrated young core of Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins, and Brandan Wright to Bring KG to the Bay, it had to be done.

Whoa, there, Atma.

Atma, you’re obviously a smart basketball fan, but wow, you fall apart at the wiff of star power.

Two points, whether or not our young core is “over-rated.”

First of all, what does KG give you when not surrounded by top talent?

As it happens, we know the answer to this question – because we saw it in Minnesota. Between 30-40 wins, maybe you squeak into the playoffs and lose in the first round.

In other words: nothing that we’re not getting from the players you’re willing to trade.

Second, KG is old. His knees aren’t going to get healthy. He’s probably never going to give us a full season as a dominant player ever again.

So you would have traded our young core (overrated or not) for a year of maybe making the 8th playoff spot and losing? Really?

That being said, here’s the trade I would have made in a heartbeat, assuming we could have kept Baron:

Pretty much anything they wanted except Baron and Biedrins.

Wright? Monta? Sure. My point is that a team built around Baron and Garnett that year would have been aiming at a run for one or two championships. Monta doesn’t fit on that team at all. Biedrins, however, does – you need another big to run beside Garnett. Jackson (who Minn wouldn’t have wanted) becomes a perfectly-reasonable third option. The small-forward spot you fill however (Buike, maybe you keep Barnes around).

That’s a team that enters the championship picture. Maybe they don’t win it, but they’re in the discussion – and that’s the point. It makes me wistful to think about it: Baron’s best strength (his crunch-time scoring) fits with Garnett’s biggest weakness. Garnett’s biggest strength (his intensity and commitment to defense – which has proven infectious on his temmates) would have motivated a lot more effort on the defensive end, and helped prevent Baron’s biggest problem (lack of effort on D. KG’s teammates never want for effort).

The point is NOT to acquire star players for the sake of getting star players. It’s to win Championships. ANd trading all of our young core to get him wouldn’t have accomplished squat.

Garnett with Davis healthy would take us into the playoffs, of course. Last year’s team were a couple of wins short, with three of the players in the trade price having good to excellent seasons, but the bench was critically shallow with the injuries to the multi-position subs Barnes and Pietrus. So the fantasy Garnett team can’t be considered seriously for going much further than one or two rounds, similar to how his Min teams did with Cassell—it would be short of depth.

When these retrospectives are pieced together, it’s fun to speculate about the ‘state of mind’ of the participants, but what does ‘close to a deal’ really mean? Most likely, it means McHale put together a proposal he’d be willing to make happen, but Co-well were in truth nowhere close to finding it acceptable.

The western/amerikan weltanschauung (how they look at the world and how things work in the world) is obsessed with the power of the individual’s will, and the possibility for an individual to change his life. If you want to embrace that view, appreciate that Garnett ended up with a team where he could get the championship he devoted his working career for. He doesn’t get that trophy working in oaktown—weaker supporting cast, no Thibodeaux to coach the defense, stronger teams to work through in the rounds leading to the division championship. It’s far from certain he’ll see another championship, with his own injury issues and the decline of Allen imminent if not already significant.

As denizens of the pacific rim, perhaps we need to take an asian/american indian view and accept destiny. Character and personality strongly influence an individual’s or an organization’s destiny. Things went their course, steered by the personalities of Cohan, Garnett, McHale, Ainge among others—let it be.

it’s always so kind when some names are written with ink and some names with hatorade

Does anyone else have trouble understanding the question and the 2 poll options?

I want to vote that we should have traded for KG despite any luxury tax implications, which one is that?

Esp. the response concerning Garnett and the trade…?

Would be interesting to see how all of these correlate with each other.

THEIR WALLETS…..

FIRE BOBBY… SELL THE TEAM COHAN…. VISITORS OF THIS SITE, POSTERS OF THIS SITE, OWNERS OF THIS SITE, SEASON TICKET HOLDERS, DO NOT RENEW NEXT YEAR!!!!

IF YOU TRULY CARE ABOUT THE WARRIORS, YOU’VE GOTTA KNOW THAT COHAN AND HIS EXECS ARE THE PROBLEM. WATCH FROM HOME, WE’RE IN A RECESSION.

I HAD SEASON TIX THE LAST TWO YEARS AND DID NOT RENEW THIS YEAR. I WILL STILL FOLLOW THIS TEAM B/C THIS IS MY TEAM. BUT RIGHT NOW, MY TEAM SUCKS.

This site is awfully confusing, hypocritical. One day, you’re blasting Mully and suggesting Rowell knows what he’s doing (he sure does, he’s making Cohan money), the next day, you praise Mully for putting together Team We Believe and Rowell/Cohan for being idiots. Make up your mind and stick to it.

I’ve gotten responses that Kawakami is just trying to make a name for himself, which I can clearly see where a lot of you are coming from, but just from reading various articles (SLAM in particular), KG did consider GState but I’m sure his ass didn’t wanna go through the western conference playoffs plus the warriors didn’t want to give him a huge extension (KG is part of the MJ signed fora ridicously large sum of money before the new CBA start era). All I’ve gotta say is Mully shot for the stars, trying to build a championship team for all us devoted fans deserve.

My theory is… Mully struck out. Minny/KG didn’t want this deal for various reasons. Warriors (Nellie) got stuck with Wright instead of getting KG or keeping JRich. That may (or may not) have the first signs of tension btwn Mully & Nellie. And now we’re in a s**thole.

ALL I’M ASKING IS FOR SEASON TICKET HOLDERS TO MAKE A STAND AND NOT RENEW. FORCE COHAN’S HAND. MAKE THAT CHEAP, INCOMPETENT OWNER GO AWAY FOR GOOD.