RUMOR: Clippers to offer Warriors Baron Davis for Corey Maggette if they land Ricky Rubio in 2009 NBA Draft
by Atma Brother ONE on May 16, 2009 1:00 PM PDT
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If the Warriors Bring Back Baron, can WE BELIEVE be resurrected?
Warrior 4 Life.
The details via ESPN.com's draft guru Chad Ford after the jump.
SAN FRANCISCO -- I talked to one NBA executive in Los Angeles on Tuesday who said it wouldn't be a surprise to see the Clippers reoffer Baron Davis to the Warriors for Corey Maggette if the Clips can land Ricky Rubio in the draft. The Clippers are big fans of Rubio, and obviously they can't play him with Davis.
The Warriors turned down similar overtures at the trade deadline, but they might want to reconsider. With a healthy Davis, they would be a playoff team. But as of now, they lack a regular point guard and look as if they could be making another trip to the lottery.
My opinion hasn't changed since word broke that the Warriors rejected a buyers remorse swap of Baron Davis for Corey Maggette and Marcus Williams at the trading deadline this past season. If the Warriors can move an injury prone, big time scoring 6th man and a bench player (obviously no Andris Biedrins, Anthony Randolph, or Monta Ellis) for an injury prone, All-NBA quality point guard, it has to be done. It's arguable whether BD has it in him to return to his 2006 and 2007 quality of play, but it's not like the Warriors would be giving up all that much to find out.
But what do I know? You're better off consulting with my colleague ClipperSteve over at the superb Clips Nation. By day he drops science on the Clippers. By night he's on SportsCenter.
My partner in crime Fantasy Junkie was on point when he broke this down way back in July 2008 while recapping free agency 2008 for the Warriors:
1) Corey Maggette: 5 years, $50 million
He's a very nice scorer and can get to the line better than any of the current Warriors. He'll fit in offensively, but he plays, at best, average defense. His body looks strong enough to grab more rebounds than he actually does. He better pick up that rebounding average to play on this team. I really like the signing at 6 or 7 million per season, but at $10 million per? I'll pass. Let him go back to the Clips or sign with a contender for the mid-level.Oh and did I mention he's injury prone? He's never played a full season. The most games he's played was 77 and that was his rookie year in Orlando. So let me get this straight, Mullin doesn't want to extend Baron for 5 years because he's injury prone, but will sign Maggette for 5 years at $3 million less per year than Baron?
Let's not forget how Baron CARRIES this team. That's certainly worth $3 million more per year. Without a playmaker, I'm afraid of what will happen.
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3) Baron Davis leaves for 5 years, $65 million
Like I said in the Maggette portion, Baron is worth $13 per year for 5 years if Maggette is worth $10 per year for 5 years. If we're just going to throw money around, let's at least throw it at a star. So from my rudimentary mathematical skills, here's what I get. Maggette + Turiaf for 4 years on average will be $14 million per year and then an extra Maggette year at $10 million more. I know the Maggette number will not start at $10 and will increase each year, but whatever it's close enough for comparisons sake. Baron Davis for 5 years will cost $13 million per year. Mullin and co are telling me that Maggette and Turiaf are worth more than Baron? Hell no. I'm sorry that doesn't fly with me. If you were to offer me Baron Davis and $1 million for Maggette and Turiaf in a trade, I would jumping for joy.
So unless, these are stepping stones to a future bigger move, I'm not looking forward to this season. We just added a bunch of salary and we're in worse shape than we were last season. Unless Mullin has a grand scheme that we're not all privy to, color me skeptical and a disappointed Warrior fan.
So what happened? Amazing didn't exactly happen for the 2008-2009 Golden State Warriors. 29 wins happened.
But I guess anyone could have predicted that, right?
Hey maybe the Warriors can send Jamal Crawford and Brandan Wright to the Suns for Jason Richardson while they're at it?
WE BELIEVE this was A Great Time out!
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I actually like Corey Maggette coming off the bench and Baron Davis is done as evidenced by his performance last season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 16, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep C-Mag
Baron was awful last year, is getting older, and will likely get more injuries. Let him rot in LA.
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on May 16, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just like C-Maggs,
except he’s at a position we don’t really need help in.
by ZaMzAm FiRe on May 17, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron is not the answer
While I think he’d improve the team in the short term despite his no-show last year, those last couple years of his contract would be killer. His contract’s too big and too long.
by Neon on May 16, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
While I think he’d improve the team in the short term despite his no-show last year, those last couple years of his contract would be killer. His contract’s too big and too long.
Sounds like a pretty accurate description of Corey Maggette.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i concur
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on May 17, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anything to lose maggs
then trade crawford an wright for ak47 or someone of that caliber an a good bench player
ME8 for MVP
by NH101 on May 16, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've got a better idea...
How about we land Ricky Rubio and tell the Clipps to enjoy the feature films and documentaries that Baron will be using his $65mil to produce over the next few years while he sits on the DL. =P
Thing 2
by olympicmike on May 16, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or
We win #3 and draft Jennings or try to luck out and hope he falls to #7 as well.
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on May 16, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jennings
I’m still not firmly on the Jennings bandwagon, but the recent reports that were posted here make me feel a lot better. At this point if we drafted him I’d be cautiously optimistic about the pick. I don’t think I’d take him at #3, but I haven’t really done my homework on most of these guys yet so I could change my mind.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on May 16, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despite the recent reports posted here I still can’t get on the Jennings bandwagon. I know its totally unfair criticism because I haven’t seen him play at all, but a 6’1", 19 year old, who failed to make himself eligible for school, with an incredibly flashy game still just screams trouble to me. Right now I’d much rather take a safer bet like Hill, Thabeet, or Harden at 3, and I’d feel more comfortable gambling on DeRozan or Clark at 7, though Lawson would still probably be my preference there. Basically there are at least 8 guys higher than Jennings on my personal “draft board” right now, so unless something goes terribly wrong for us on Tuesday I don’t want him.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See...
I can’t really argue with that. I definitely don’t feel secure about him, but the hype is starting to get to me a little bit. I usually wait until after the lottery to do any serious homework on the guys that will be available so I can see myself flip-flopping on this at least once or twice before draft day.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on May 16, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the flip flopping on potential picks is one of the more fun parts about waiting for draft day. i’ve done a half turn on jennings; i’d no longer hate the pick, but it would still make me nervous. in the next few weeks i expect to read a report on harden that scares me half to death and i won’t know what to do about that. i also hope to become staunchly in favor of one or two guys who will be on the board between 7-10 and then do a 180 and talk myself out of either of them. it’s draftin’ season, woo!
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve already done almost a full reversal on Clark. I went from “oh brother, not another upside heavy tall skinny forward” to “hmmm….another extremely long forward with a unique skill set that could work well in this system…interesting.” A Clark, Randolph, Biedrins frontline would at least be entertaining as heck.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not there on clark yet, but oddly enough, after looking at the box score of the louisville-michigan st. game that i planned to use to see if my hunches about clark in that game were accurate (something i just did, hooray technology), and i was way off. he put up a solid statline in a game where i thought he looked like crap despite scoring in bunches. i liked how terrance williams looked in that game as far as defensive, intangibles and leadership went and his statline was awful.
still, every time i saw williams i thought to myself “wow, that guy defends, carries himself well and really leads that team.” i like him as a good bench player right away and a possible starter if he can learn to shoot. plus, the guy is a spectacular athlete. i don’t know, our pick (if it’s between the 7 and 10) is going to be such a shot in the dark that we’ll be discussing it up until the season starts no matter what.
but yeah, that frontline of biedrins, randolph and clark would be fun to watch, especially if clark and randolph play smarter and smarter as they get more experience.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t know about thabeet, but hill and harden would both be safer picks at the 3. i’d prefer harden, i think he’d bring a lot to the table that we could use and if it came down to him or hill, i’d prefer the guy that doesn’t make don nelson push randolph to the sf and kill his development as a big. i think hill will be a very good nba player, and i’d have him about at 4 or 5 on my board, so if he’s there at 7, i’d jump on him, but if it comes down to him or harden, i’d grab harden without thinking twice.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lawson is who I want
3 years at the college level plus a championship to show for it
by Golden Boy on May 16, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
we do that first part, but don’t say anything to the Clippers about Baron and give them the chance to point and laugh right back at us for ever thinking Corey Maggette was worthy of that ridiculous contract. : )
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
True. I just thought the attitude of “if we get Rubio then maybe we’ll consider swapping players with you” was funny. If we did end up with Rubio I think we could safely talk some trash. =P
On a more serious note, I actually wouldn’t mind a deal like this. Both guys have the same problems (injury prone, overpaid). Baron is making more but is the better player when healthy and motivated and could theoretically help us much more seeing as he works next to Monta and plays well in Nellie’s system.
Either guy is problematic. I see Maggs as the safer choice, but Baron still has more “upside” to us (not in the traditional sense of upside, but I think you get the point). If it was up to me I’d probably stick with Maggs. If we had a chance to see Monta play the point all year and fail I’d probably be more likely to pull the trigger.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on May 16, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either guy is problematic. I see Maggs as the safer choice, but Baron still has more "upside" to us (not in the traditional sense of upside, but I think you get the point).
Nailed it. I’m more inclined to take the risk and go with Baron simply because I’m probably a little more down on our current roster (and Maggette) than you. But I wouldn’t be thrilled either way.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either guy is problematic. I see Maggs as the safer choice, but Baron still has more "upside" to us (not in the traditional sense of upside, but I think you get the point). If it was up to me I’d probably stick with Maggs. If we had a chance to see Monta play the point all year and fail I’d probably be more likely to pull the trigger.
Agree with all of this, particularly the last sentence. Peak Baron and Monta was already a terrible defensive backcourt… fat, lazy Baron and Monta would be an absolute nightmare. If Monta completely crashes and burns at the point, maybe it’s worth living through that nightmare. But let’s not jump into it right away.
by onlxn on May 17, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely.
It was an absolute nightmare to watch the team actually WIN some games…
by ZaMzAm FiRe on May 17, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m very meh on this. I don’t really think this improves the team vastly but if they want to do it go ahead. This team is not going to compete for another couple years anyway.
On the run from Johnny Law, aint no trip to Cleveland, or San Francisco.
by PAWarrior on May 16, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With Baron's contract
I wouldn’t suggest to have him back on the team. He only played 82 games with us his last year because it was a contract year.
by Golden Boy on May 16, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't judge Baron by this last season ...
He’s no more “done” than he was in New Orleans.
Baron is a player who has to like his situation to play well. I’m not defending that, but it’s been his M.O. his entire career. That’s why we got him so cheap, and it’s why he started mailing it in his last half-season here.
The Clippers, as currently constructed, are probably the worst possible fit for him in the entire NBA. They’re a team loaded with slow, half-court bigs. They have a control-freak coach who knows less about the game that several posters on GSOM. (Nellie gets away with some of his control-freakishness because everybody recognizes that when he’s on, he’s brilliant). They promised him an up-tempo game when he signed, and then threw that promise away in a series of panic moves after Brand jilted them.
Would I make this trade? It’s tempting. Ultimately, to my mind, you make this trade for one reason:
You don’t think Monta can be a PG.
If you do, then I think you’d rather have Mags for less money. On the other hand, if you think Monta can’t do it, then this trade would address the single biggest weakness on this team offensively, and would do a lot to help balance our roster going forward.
by Ronaldinho on May 16, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd do it
he’d obviously improve our pg situation. i actually agree with atma, it wouldn’t cost us that much to get him so it would probably be worth it. the contract situation is worrysome, but mags contract is essentally the same so it’s basically a wash
by AJC3317 on May 16, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would rather improve the point guard situation by taking Jennings.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 16, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes no proven improvement...
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawk on May 16, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron isn’t a proven improvement based on what he did last season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 16, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, but probably a safer bet.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
baron has proven
that he can dominate with our playstyle….
clips have a terrible playstyle for him….notice how terribly he played in new orleans…and then came here and owned it up
he needs a run and gun team that gives him the freedom to run the show…
not a slow paced, micromanaged team…with dumbleavy at the head
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawk on May 16, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed Feelings.
I mean we wouldn’t be giving up alot at all…. but Baron plays when he wants to play and when you’re trying to start a team up…. do you really want a guy like that around?
Also he is not getting any younger, we got so much youth, if we bring him in with that contract … what are we going to do with our young talent? Trade it?
by sjboy on May 16, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You bring up a good point there, if the last year of Baron’s deal impedes us from extending some of our younger guys (Randolph, this years pick) then its simply not worth it.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we can have baron back
and try to fight for 8th w/ an undersized team…woooppiiieeee
lets move on. F Baron
by tafkasam on May 16, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
meh
I don’t really see how Baron makes us any more undersized than Maggette does. Sure we get a whole lot more Monta at the 2 (which, imo, is not a bad thing) but we eliminate Maggette at the 4. Considerin Baron has great size for his position and Maggette is only slightly above average, at best, for a 3 and extremely undersized at the 4 I don’t think “undersized” would be a problem. Also I don’t see how the trade makes us worse on the court. Taking on the extra year and a little extra per year is a major concern, but I don’t really think it makes a whole lot of sense to fight that trade idea purely on production.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year, Maggette averaged 6.4 rebounds per 36 minutes. Baron averaged 3.8 rebounds per 36 minutes. The position you play does affect the likelihood of pulling down rebounds, but only by a little. Subbing in Baron for Maggette would cost us around two rebounds a game. That’s a huge figure, particularly for a team that struggles with rebounding as much as us. Yes, a full year of Biedrins and Randolph should help our rebounding a lot, but every rebound will still matter to us.
That’s not to say there wouldn’t be positives to swapping Baron in for Maggette… obviously there would be. But there would be real negatives, and getting smaller is absolutely one of them. Our smallness was one of our biggest problems this season… we should be very careful about going farther in that direction.
by onlxn on May 17, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Simply because you have to consider whose minutes Baron is taking and who takes Maggette’s minutes. You can’t look at it as a straight swap, you have to consider the number of minutes being played by each player. I’m guessing Baron returning takes minutes primarily from Jackson(who in turn takes a bunch from Maggette), Monta, Watson, and Belinelli. None of those guys is significantly better on the boards than Baron. Jackson, Randolph, Azubuike, and Wright would take the minutes Maggette played. So in the minutes that Maggette played next to two other bigs last year (less than half) our rebounding gets a bit worse with Buike and Jackson playing that role. However, Wright and Randolph should pick up the majority of the minutes Maggette played next to one or zero big men, so in those minutes our rebounding actually gets significantly BETTER. Unless Nellie can’t help himself and plays a Baron/Monta/Jackson/Buike/one-big lineup for more than 10 minutes a game I can’t really see this trade having much impact on our rebounding totals.
(cue jae stepping in to shame me by revealing some obvious flaw in my logic)
Thing A
by sam23 on May 18, 2009 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing Baron returning takes minutes primarily from Jackson(who in turn takes a bunch from Maggette), Monta, Watson, and Belinelli.
This is the wrong way to look at it. Nellie’s coaching isn’t predicated on balancing positions properly… it’s predicated on getting his best players (or at least the guys he thinks are his best players) on the floor as often as possible, positions be damned.
More specifically, we’ve seen Nellie coach Baron, Monta and Jack before… we know what he does. Baron gets huge minutes at the one, Jack gets huge minutes at the three, Monta gets pretty big minutes at the two.
So we’re basically talking about two different lineups:
PG – Monta Ellis
SG – Stephen Jackson
SF – Corey Maggette
PF – Anthony Randolph
C – Andris Biedrins
vs
PG – Baron Davis
SG – Monta Ellis
SF – Stephen Jackson
PF – Anthony Randolph
C – Andris Biedrins
The first lineup rebounds significantly better than the second lineup, pure and simple.
However, Wright and Randolph should pick up the majority of the minutes Maggette played next to one or zero big men, so in those minutes our rebounding actually gets significantly BETTER.
Whether we make this trade or not, our rebounding should be better, simply because Nellie has found religion on playing two bigs at the same time. So yes, even with Baron, our rebounding should be better than last year. But a lineup featuring Baron would rebound much worse than a lineup featuring Maggette… we’d be giving back a lot of those new rebounds. That alone isn’t enough reason to not make the trade, but it’s important, and shouldn’t be glossed over.
by onlxn on May 18, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
lol wasnt the trade earlier this year offered by the clips
mags and mwill
for
baron
so suddenly baron’s value shot up?
LOL!
by saintdee on May 16, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maggs is cheaper and has more trade value than Baron
Baron’s not done, necessarily, but that contract is even worse than Maggs … going deeper in debt for an overpriced under-performing veteran is throwing wood on the fire that got us into this mess
to those who discount Baron’s bad season – we got his best years and he is not likely going to replicate the We Believe finish
we don’t have to keep CMagg, but we can and should if we don’t improve the roster in the process … substituting him for Baron, and his contract isn’t a big upgrade – Baron, Monta, Jackson sounds more appealing because we remember Baron of the Dallas series not the 08-09 Baron
one more thought: someone other than Nelson would have to coach Baron, Jackson, and maybe Maggs in the “twilight” of their careers when the value of their contributions is likely to be inversely related to their contracts – having three overpaid vets coming off the bench might not sit well with all involved …
by hardcore on May 16, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How
would we have Baron, Jackson AND Maggs? Trading Crawford for Baron? I don’t think anyone is on board with adding THAT many years to a bad contract.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
poorly worded, my concern is someone other than Nelson coaching an overpaid under-performing Baron and Jackson – then threw Maggs in as an after thought – when they’re not performing up to their contracts
by hardcore on May 16, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is a legitimate concern. I don’t know, I guess this horrible past year, and Maggette proving himself to be as bad, then as injury prone, then as decent-but-still-extremely-overpaid, and then as injury prone again, as I feared this year has me a little more willing to make a pretty irrational deal to mix things up. I suspect this is exactly how bad deals (like the Maggette signing) are actually made in the NBA, so let’s hope Riley, Nelson and Rowell don’t share my general despair and provide the Clippers with an easy target to pick on.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Golden Boy on May 16, 2009 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what pg out there would allow monta to play the 2 spot?
Andre miller and baron. If only rowell would get off his high horse this would’ve happened yesterday. Its not like were giving up biedrins or randolph to get him. Its maggette! Corey freakin maggette!
my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"
by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ah!
Just when I thought I was out you pulled me back in Vonteego!
Just when hardcore and company were starting to show me how totally irrational this trade idea is you hooked me back in with a simple 2 or 3 sentences. I’m back on board… BRING BACK BARON!
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is of course not gonna happen since rowell is basketball god in oakland
But one thing overlooked is the prospect of playing rubio or jennings with monta in the backcourt. Unless of course you guys enjoy watching rape scenes in movies, this is a disaster waiting to happen.
my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"
by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a 6’4" really good perimeter defender playing next to monta sounds like a disaster to me.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Did like one person here say Rubio is a bad defender and now everyone is repeating that like they know what their talking about?
by 123707THIZZ on May 16, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am driving the rubio bandwagon.
But I still havesome reservations about rubio guarding 2 guards in the league. Rubio defending pgs sure. But sgs?
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by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s got the size to do it and in principle, defending a sg wouldn’t be radically different than defending a point guard. stay in front of your man, play the passing lanes, stay in front of your man, have enough strength to not get absolutely abused in the post, stay in front of your man. it’s pretty much the same in both backcourt positions. i’m not too worried about it.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that's the case
we shouldnt be worried about Monta then. he should do fine. How I wish it was just that simple.
my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"
by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well the difference is that rubio has actual defensive instincts. he just also happens to have the size to hang with 2 guards. monta will does better defending the point because he’s not big enough to guard 2s. i’m saying that in principle it’s not that different, not that it’s easy.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well the difference is that rubio has actual defensive instincts.
That’s the thing. If Monta is not going to play point we just need someone who can run an offense and guard without being completely overpowered by your average SG. We can’t expect to find someone who is Steve Nash on offense and Shane Battier on defense. That’s just not going to happen.
If Monta is starting in the backcourt (which he should be) we probably won’t have strong perimeter defense. It’s not the end of the world.
Rubio may end up being an above average defender at PG and maybe an average defender of SG’s. If that’s the case I’m fine with that. Monta has shown the ability to guard guys early in his career and if he can get close to being an average defender at PG then that would be a great line-up in the backcourt.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on May 17, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the question would be how long baron would allow monta to play the 2. when he loses another step, baron might not be able to guard shooting guards either. i’m still going to sit in the “monta should have a shot to learn the point, where at least he’ll have a chance to guard his position, even if he’d still be a mediocre defender at best” camp. i like camps with unnecessarily long names.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who would you want us to draft?
Consensus is the BPA at 7 is a pg. So then let the rook and monta learn the pg spot together? Nice.
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by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not sure that the bpa at the 7 spot will be a point guard, but if he is, yeah, i’d take a pg at 7. i’d rather have 2 guys learning the point in one training camp than zero guys we had playing the point like we did at any time last season.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but wouldnt it be more ideal
To have 1 guy who knows how to play it and 2 learning the ropes than zero like we did at any time last season?
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by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, but with baron’s contract… i don’t know.
i’d just rather not add that extra $3M per year to a payroll that already prevents us from going out and grabbing any free agent of consequence. is baron worth $3M per year more than maggette? i’m not so sure and (as someone else pointed out) if that $3M prevents us from resigning randolph or one of our other promising young players, it’s really not worth it.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but were trading him for a similar contract. you do realize that right?
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by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
anyway, thats 3 yrs from now (randolph) by then hopefully that 3 million wont be an issue
Bottomline whose jersey would you rather wear mags or baron’s?
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by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mags
I have both a Clippers and Warriors swingman jersey of his.
by Golden Boy on May 16, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think thats a very good bottom line measure. (see McGrady, Tracy and the Rockets of Houston)
Thing A
by sam23 on May 16, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
similar, yes, but it is still 3 million dollars, which is nothing to sneeze at in the free agent market and if baron wouldn’t make the team much better, it’s not worth it.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BD!
As much as I love maggette’s game, we need BD to run the point. Let’s hope the Clippers get Rubio this year! While they’re at it, the LAC should take Crawford as well!
Ellis to the RIM!
Monta for the win?! YES!
by XIAOXIAO on May 16, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AGAIN...i repeat.
Its not for biedrins
Its not for Monta
Its not for the Hakeem Olajuwon/Michael Jordan/Dr. J/Larry Bird rolled into one player that is Anthony Randolph.
its for corey maggette. corey folks. corey……..
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by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
of course this would all be MOOT
if we landed the 2 spot and drafted……
hayward-bey.
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by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ha
i can hear it now, “with the second pick in the 2009 nba draft, the golden state warriors select: brandon jennings!”
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please don’t kid, you might be giving someone ideas
by hardcore on May 16, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow....
with whatever the water in hetch hetchy has DO NOT BE SURPRISED.
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by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh god my heart just skipped a beat
ME8 for MVP
by NH101 on May 17, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Baron coming back
To lazy to read all the other post because its so hot so if this has been said o well. As much as I want Baron back, I don’t think management would want to Baron back, but then again maybe there’s a chance that Riley would want Baron back. Also some fans that don’t really keep up with all the news on GSW wouldn’t want him back because they felt that he left the team for money. Many people think he’s old because of the way he is playing with the Clippers. But I think if he came back to the Bay he’ll be a beast again.
by Darkness on May 16, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line, Rowell would never do this
by 123707THIZZ on May 16, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yes i agree!
Can u be my bff?
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by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
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by VonteegoCummings on May 17, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it
Baron remains one of my favourite players and Magette isn’t helping us. Randolph is due for more PT next season anyway with the way Nellie uses his rooks/sophs and I’d like to see him play some SF with Wright logging some more minutes at PF. We have a log jam at SG/SF anyway.
by SPENCEMAN on May 16, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we dont have a log jam at the SF
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by LostHawk on May 16, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
Jackson
Maggette
Azubuike
Morrow
Randolph
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by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
???
jacksons playing the 2 from now on, according to nelly
morrow is a 2…not a 3….
randolph is a 4…not a 3…(not yet)
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by LostHawk on May 16, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so that leaves...
buki and maggs
and maggs sucks and i hope he gets traded…
and buki is good and all, but he’d be much better as a backup to someone like batier/hedo/odom/artest
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by LostHawk on May 16, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really, we have 2 backup small forwards and a few guys who can almost play the position. it’s our weakest position by a fair amount.
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by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what im sayin
PG and SF are our weakest positions
if ellis can become a PG….we are strong there….if we can get baron…we are strong there
but what about SF? we got nothin! i hope we trade to make room for one of the players i mentions….o and gerald wallace
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by LostHawk on May 16, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d be happy about any of those guys (except maybe artest, he’s lost a couple steps) if we could get them for a reasonable price. hopefully the offseason treats us well and we get the upgrades we need.
oh, and i have hope for the monta ellis point guard experience. that’s why i didn’t talk about the point guard position.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya
i agree about monta….he has proven every camp that he can add some major improvements to his game (other than last summer obv cuz of the injury)…
for instance….monta originally had NO JUMP SHOT AT ALL! now…he has one of the best jump shots
i believe in him….we all know he has the athletic ability to be better than tony parker…now he just needs the guidance to force him to think like a PG (which he has shown some bright flashes of)
if monta can become that TP type PG…we’re set for many years
ellis – watson/belli
jackson – morrow
???? – buki
randolph – wright
andris – turiaf
seriously…if we could somehow get one of those SF’s….we’d be perennial playoff contenders
odom, artest, wallace, hedo, batier, AK47
wow…would we be SET!….but i dream…i dream…or wait…i should say…
WE BELIEVE!
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by LostHawk on May 16, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
i wouldnt mind if we got baron back…
people keep talkin about the we believe year..but the year after…with ellis at the 2 instead of Jrich….was a way better team (48 wins)….and now we have a better PF than we did back then in randolph (randolph>>>>ninja turtle)
we’d def be 50+ wins
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by LostHawk on May 16, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if we got Baron that would leave us with
PG: Baron / Watson
SG: Ellis / Morrow / Belli
SF: Jackson / Buki / Belli
PF: Randolph / Wright
C: Biedrins / Turiaf
We’d have to luck out and get #3 overall and take Thabeet, but thats unlikely. So, who do we draft at around #7? I dont want a swingman as with that depth chart we appear to have good depth there. We don’t need a PF as we have two lottery picks there. Maybe a center or a point gaurd to replace Turiaf or Watson, even though they’re solid I think they’re our worst bench players. There aren’t any centers available around there though.
by SPENCEMAN on May 17, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I forgot about Crawford.
So stick Morrow at backup PG and Crawford at backup SG? Damn, we’re 12 deep.
by SPENCEMAN on May 17, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we just got baron back
and didnt trade to get bosh…we just get the BPA
if we got baron back AND traded to get bosh…we could make a deal like #7 pick + crawford/belli/watson for #3 pick
also, i wouldnt be surprised if tabeeth went after 3….the only two that are solid are the 1 and 2 in the draft…the rest are very similar level…so i dont think it would cost us much at all to get him
so we’d have, with bosh trade (andris + someone) and baron trade:
baron – watson/belli
ellis – morrow/buki/jackson
jackson – buki/randolph
bosh – randolph
tabeeth – turiaf
and with JUST the baron trade
baron
ellis
jackson
randolph
andris
im down with either team…but to me…if ellis doesnt make some strides in becoming a PG this summer, we should def make the trade for baron….he’s one of the few points out there that can let ellis be ellis..
lets not forget…baron was basically an All-star level point, just got shafted in the votes
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by LostHawk on May 17, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belinelli makes for a tiny SF.
Having two lottery picks at PF doesn’t make us set. Having two quality players at PF would make us set. I think we’ve probably got that, but I’m not certain.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 17, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Do all of you Baron-haters REALLY believe that the Baron is physically “done” at age 30? He had a bad and unmotivated season, sure. But did you see how sorry the Clippers are. They made the Warriors look like a dominant team. It’s not like all of Baron’s talent just flew out the window over night. He’s still a real PG, he’s still a dynamic scorer when he wants to be, he just needs motivation.
2. We’d be trading away a wing (we’ll have SEVEN wings on the payroll) for a PG (we have ZERO point guards). When everyone is healthy, Maggette will just be taking minutes away from wings we actually want to see getting PT. Unless you want to see him play more power forward, taking minutes from Randolph and Wright.
3. Baron is just as old, overpaid and injury prone as Maggette is.
"We Deserve"
by YaHeard on May 16, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
YES!
wish we could do maggs + craw + wright/belli for baron…
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by LostHawk on May 16, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the trade was for maggette.
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by VonteegoCummings on May 16, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can package Craw with Maggs then im happy
But im not throwing in our two best trading chips.
by SPENCEMAN on May 16, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if those are our two best trading chips, we are royally screwed.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on May 16, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OF COURSE. THIS IS A SERIOUS NO-BRAINER
Why the hell would anyone reject this trade? Of course we need Baron back, did you even watch how lost the Warriors without him last year? LOL @ the people thinking 30 is old. How old was Nash when he won back to back MVP’s? Older than 30, I know that. The fact that Rowell rejected this the first time is grounds for protest by the fans. If he rejected it again, we would know once and for all that Rowell could care less about winning or the fans.
Baron
Ellis
S Jax
A Randolph
Biedrins
Azu
Belinelli
Turiaf
= Playoffs for the next 3-4 years
by RowellMustGo on May 16, 2009 10:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes on Baron return
Is Baron a better player then Maggs?
Does Baron have playmaker abilities?
Did Baron play 14 more games then Maggs did this year?
Has Baron proved he can play at an allstar level?
Please people stop trying to crunch numbers and judge all these players by how much they make and where they will be 2,3,4 years down the line becuase you dont know how good they will be. A Baron return would help our team out big time. No it wont make us title contenders but it would be a step in that direction. WE ARE A YOUNG TEAM and a 7th pick in a draft isnt going to solve our problems anytime soon. We have the youngins of franchise no more youth please send me Baron and and try like hell for an amare or bosh or even marion if it helps improve our 29 win joke season.
by Warriorfan on May 16, 2009 11:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
haven't we gotten past this
i voted NO. let’s move in a different direction. and i’m NOT trading turiaf with maggs for baron. turiaf is better than both of them.
by HoLdEmUP on May 17, 2009 12:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How about
we get Baron back, then go for that bosh trade, and if we still have our pick, draft thabeet to replace biedrins. of course we would be trading wright and bellinelli with biedrins.
that’s a killer team right there.
PG – Baron/Watson
SG – Monta/Crawford
SF – SJax/Buike
PF – Bosh/AR
C – Thabeet/Turiaf
by ZaMzAm FiRe on May 17, 2009 12:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I forgot something...
Crawford is probably going to be traded. For today’s purposes, I’ll say that he is traded to Miami for Marc Blount (this is just because he’s the first contract I saw that would work).
Lineup
PG – Baron/Watson
SG – Monta/Azubuike
SF – SJax/Morrow
PF – Bosh/AR/Kurz?/Davidson?
C – Thabeet/Turiaf/Blount
by ZaMzAm FiRe on May 17, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
switch buike an morrow
an no thabeet put bosh at center an ar at the 4. draft pick should be a 2 cause morrow could be a free agent next year if it happened like this
ME8 for MVP
by NH101 on May 17, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
i was thinking EXACTLY that as well (if we get bosh, draft tabeeth…+ baron)
OMG>….wow….world champ caliber team in a couple years if baron was younger!
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by LostHawk on May 17, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that really THAT much better than the lineup the Clippers were looking at going into last year?
Thing A
by sam23 on May 17, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's see
last years clippers opening night lineup:
pg – davis
sg – mobley
sf – thornton
pf – thomas
c – kaman
and to compare: davis = davis, ellis > mobley, thornton > jackson, bosh > thomas, and thabeet > kaman
so yes, it is better
by AJC3317 on May 17, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk
thornton vrs jackson….i wouldnt say thornton > jackson….i think jack is a better facilitator and defender…
and they are pretty even offensively…
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by LostHawk on May 17, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thabeet is not better than kaman. a bosh/randolph frontcourt is better than a kaman/thomas frontcourt by a lot, but there is very little to suggest that thabeet will be able to jump right in and be a good starting center (something that kaman already is). most big guys take some time to adjust to the nba and someone like thabeet will almost certainly be a year away when we draft him.
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by cap'n hack on May 17, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
their projected lineup
had Camby at C and Gordon at SG. Still THAT much better? I don’t think so.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 18, 2009 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron=Baron
Monta>Gordon- I’m guessing Clipper fans would debate that one, but if you’re projecting a completely healthy Monta vs. a rookie Gordon then Monta is better
Jackson>Thornton-IMO Thornton is incredibly overrated
Bosh>Camby-though only because of Camby’s injury ?s. Camby is as good on the defensive end as Bosh in on the offensive end, and probably as good on offense as Bosh is defensively
Thabeet<Kaman
So yes, its probably better….but like I originally asked: Is it really THAT much better?
Thing A
by sam23 on May 18, 2009 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Land Rubio Curry or Jennings and Keep Maggette
We don’t know if Baron will play as good as he did in 2007-2008
I say they go for Curry.
CJ Watson was developing into a pretty good back up point guard at the end of the season
by batman925 on May 17, 2009 6:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
CJ Watson was developing
Into a pretty good backup point guard for a 29 win team. We still need help at the point big time.
by pbra17 on May 17, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So were all going crazy over
What the moron that is Chad Ford said? Which was him talking to just one NBA Executive who hadnt even heard anything, instead just said he wouldnt be surprised if they offered Baron back, aka this literally has no chance of happening and Ford is just messing with us Warriors fans.
by pbra17 on May 17, 2009 8:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amazing how I posted this article in fanshots almost 2 days ago and got 8 posts
Now it is a monster. Shows how few look at fanshots.
by dungeness crabdribble on May 17, 2009 9:09 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Totally true...
I forget they are there sometimes. Good job being on top of the story though.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on May 17, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that gets pretty annoying. I wish the fanshots were in an area where they were easier to see.
by Number22Drew on May 17, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
are they really that much harder to see than non-front page fanposts?
Thing A
by sam23 on May 17, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Below the fold...
I just don’t scroll down that far very much.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on May 17, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha in my Media Effects class we were just discussing how the “below the fold” effect is drastically reduced on the internets. Apparently thats not true. I check them less, but I think thats only because there usually isn’t much discussion there and the new fanshots aren’t all that common.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 18, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no they aren't harder to see for me
but it seems that most people ignore the fanshots.
by Number22Drew on May 17, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Solution
Write a substantive and high quality FanPost. If you’re not interested in doing that then stick to the FanShots. FanShots are much appreciated, but there’s a reason FanPosts are above the fold and FanShots aren’t.
by Atma Brother ONE on May 18, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It’s not that hard to add commentary that would make it worthy of a Fanpost.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on May 18, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whistling*
Baron
Jackson
Randolph
Bosh
Biedrins
Buike
Morrow
Turiaf
Jennings (?)
ahhhhh life…………………is like a dream
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by VonteegoCummings on May 17, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ruuuubbbio
Took a screenshot of what I got when I did the mock draft for the first time. Dubs get the #2 pick. These things are 100% accurate right….?? lol
by freun989 on May 17, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
man…now that would def solve ALL our problems
rubio
ellis
jackson
randolph
andris
we could even make the trade for bosh….omg…wow!
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by LostHawk on May 17, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol how many times did you have to refresh that thing for the Dubz to get the 2 pick?
I get Jennings everytime
by 123707THIZZ on May 17, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he said first try
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by LostHawk on May 17, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about this.... we trade maggette for baron but heres the catch....
we switch first round picks
by montadaboss on May 17, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
seeing as how this article suggests the Clips would only be willing to make a Baron for Maggs swap if they land the #2 pick, I’m thinking thats probably not likely.
Thing A
by sam23 on May 17, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know but if they are so willing to start from scratch they better offer us something along with Baron
because no one else is going to take him. i guess the same can be said about maggette but Barons contract looks to be one of the worst in the league. i say give us something other than just baron but like we ve said…its the clippers. i dont know but camby is a great defender.. something we definitely need. i guess we could trade biedrins, wright, 7 th pick, morrow for bosh. then trade maggette for baron and camby.
pg baron
sg monta
sf jackson
pf bosh
c camby
6th man randolph
all out win mode for nellie one more time.
by montadaboss on May 17, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answer is no. Why? Ten reasons.
1) Corey Maggette was a MUCH better basketball player than Baron Davis last season. Yes, Corey missed more time in Baron, but Corey’s 51 games of work were infinitely more valuable than Baron’s 65. Maggette was the same offensive force he always is… Baron was an offensive nightmare. Maggette’s defense was bad, but I don’t think those of y’all up in Nor-Cal realize just how terrible Baron’s defense was this season. Maggette was twice the player Baron was.
2) Corey Maggette is a conditioning nut… Baron is whatever the opposite of that is. Maggette is a risk to get worse over the next several seasons, but Baron’s a much bigger one.
3) The “Baron plays better when he’s happy” theory has a critical flaw: Baron wouldn’t be happy here. He just pouted and gunned his way through an entire season, despite playing in his hometown with a monster contract. You think he’d perk back up if he was traded back to another crappy team that had just snubbed him a season earlier?
4) A Baron/Monta backcourt will never be a huge asset, due to its defensive weakness. Why would we go all in on something that, even at its best, doesn’t work all that well?
5) A Baron/Maggette trade is a net loss of about two rebounds a game. If you don’t think two rebounds a game is important, think again.
6) While I tend to think chemistry issues are often overrated, there is a real downside to a pouting Baron that I don’t think exists with Maggette.
7) There is something deeply pathetic about re-acquiring a guy you got rid of even though he proved to age even more badly than you feared possible. “Deeply pathetic” is admittedly a vibe this franchise knows well… still, I’m not feeling it.
8) If things go south, Maggette is a more tradeable commodity than Baron. It’s more likely that a contender would add an instant-offense sixth man to try to get over the top than that a contender would add a scoring point guard. We are somewhat stuck with Maggette, but we’d be far more stuck with Baron.
9) The math requires us to send another contract to the Clippers along with Maggette. I wouldn’t get too worked up about it if that extra player was Marco, but what if it’s someone else? Turiaf, ‘Buike, Morrow, Wright… all of these guys are useful players on good contracts. We’re supposed to take on the riskier, pricier guy and give up a valuable piece in the process?
10) A Rubio/Gordon/Maggette/Randolph/Kaman lineup is a lot better than what the Clippers currently have. Aren’t we miserable enough without solving a lot of the Clippers’ problems?
I love Baron, but this one ain’t close. No deal.
by onlxn on May 17, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I voted yes because...
We would trade maggs for BD, and get Bosh for biedrins and randolph..imagine a lineup of:
pg-Baron
sg-monta
sf-jackson
pf-bosh
c-turiaf
by Montizzle8 on May 18, 2009 7:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AS LONG AS BOBBY...
IS AROUND, KEEP DREAMIN’.
SELL THE TEAM COHAN…. BOBBY, JUST GO AWAY
by GState21 on May 18, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
in response to onlxn:
1) Maggette has been a career loser. His contract for his value is overpriced.
His skills and position is redundant on this team. And he was used as a 6th man. Pay that much for a non-starter?? He is a black hole, something this team sorely does not need. Azubuike makes Mags expendable, especially with that
contract.
2) This is something easy to fix. Nelson will get BD in shape again, nuff said. Mags
is at just as much risk, he has always been injured throughout his career.
3) Not so much is it that he wasn’t happy, but Dunleavy’s system didn’t suit him.
Plus it’s the Clippers, nuff said.
4) It worked in 07 pretty well if I remember.
5) This team will rebound fine, Randolph & Biedrins will be gobbling them up.
6) Did you just say Maggette and chemistry in the same sentence? lol
7) Whats wrong with rectifying a wrong, admitting your mistake? It’s obvious the
main reason the warriors SUCKED this year was no-Baron.
8) That’s really debatable.
9) Really, you’d take that overhyped Wright over Marco? What exactly do you not
like about Marco’s game? Maybe you don’t like his improved defense, or 3pt shot, or handles, or great court vision & bball iq? Last yr was more or less his rookie season and I think he showed a lot of skills. Watch some youtube clips sometime.
10) We got our own to worry about, Baron would help ours.
You’re right, it’s not close at all. This is a serious no-brainer….Baron for Mags would be a steal for us.
by RowellMustGo on Jun 6, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And it looks like 83% of the fans agree that this deal would be good for the Warriors.
by RowellMustGo on Jun 6, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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