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Warriors 2009 Draft Prospects

EDIT: Added a profile on PG Jonny Flynn who Doug Gottlieb of ESPN has us taking in his mock draft.  Added some more analysis post-lottery to Earl Clark, James Harden, DeMar DeRozan, Jrue Holiday and Brandon Jennings, who seem to be fan favorites and 'realistic' targets at the 7 spot.

I am quite a draft nut and am one of those guys who loves the draft in every sport.  Some people think it’s incredibly boring, but as a Warriors and 49ers fan, the draft is what give us a glimmer of hope for the future.  As a result, I read pretty extensively about most of the draft prospects and so forth.  I am not able to watch all these athletes extensively throughout the year, but here is a quick summary of what I have seen & read about some of the lottery prospects and my thoughts on how they might pan out and fit with the Warriors.  The quality kind of declines towards the end, unfortunately.  It took way too long to write.

 

I know these options could/will diminish drastically in a few hours when we find out our pick and can diminish even more on June 15, when players who didn’t sign with an agent can choose to return to school.  Still it is fun before then to analyze the players in the 2009 NBA Draft and decide once and for all who our pick should be.

 

Star-divide

Centers:

If the Warriors choose a center, he must be dominant and a considerable upgrade over Andris Biedrins and Ronny Turiaf.  This draft class is weak in the center category with only 1 expected to be taken in the lottery.

 

Hasheem Thabeet (7’3”, 265, Connecticut, Junior, 22 at start of season)

Pros: Outstanding size and shot blocking skills.  Can run very well for his size and is explosive on both sides of the ball.  Catches the ball well on offense and gets to a line a solid amount and shoots marginally from the line (63% FT). 

Cons: Little offensive ability and no post game.  Gets bullied inside by stronger players.  The fact that DeJuan Blair put up 22 points and 23 rebounds against him, while he finished with less than 5 each of points, rebounds and blocks should be a huge red flag.  Struggles to get position against strong and/or determined players on offense and defense.

Boom/Bust: High boom and bust potential.

Fit for Warriors: (3 out of 5) I hated him before I read a lot of scouting reports and thought he was overrated and was a certain bust.  However, it seems like he isn’t as bad as I thought.  Thabeet is compared a lot to Dikembe Mutombo, but from reading what fans, scouts, analysts write, he sounds like Andris Biedrins (with more ability/tools on defense and less fluidity/smoothness on offense).  He fits because of his defense and rebounding, but I don’t think he is the Warriors biggest need.  I would rate him as a higher fit, but I am still scared by his bust potential.  African players with undeveloped offensive games have not faired well in the as prospects or in NBA in the last decade.

 

BJ Mullens (7’0”, 260, Ohio State, Freshman, 19/20?)

Pros: Has great size and physical tools.  Very athletic and can run the floor well.  Reported to have a polished post game in high school but didn’t show it much in his first year at Ohio State.  Was efficient at finishing but not creating for himself.  Good touch and skills around the basket.

Cons: Questionable work-ethic.  Lack of defensive skills and intensity.  Needs to develop post skills.  Turnover prone and not a good passer.

Boom/Bust: Moderate boom and bust potential

Fit for Warriors: (2) Basically Patrick O’ Bryant Jr.  He has all the skills to succeed in this system.  He has the skills but unless he ends up on a horrible team, he won’t play and thus won’t develop.  On paper, his skills fit well, but as we have seen before, in reality he won’t at all.

 

 

Power Forwards:

A power forward for the Warriors must be the complete package.  He must be able to create his own shot inside and needs to be a great rebounder (the weakness of the team) He must also be able to defend all the dominant and athletic 4s in the Western Conference.  Preferably, this player would be a threat from mid-range to better pair with Andris Bedirins or Ronny Turiaf and avoid clogging up the lane for our guards who like to get into the lane or post up (Monta & Jax).

 

Blake Griffin (6’10”, 252, Oklahoma, Sophomore, 20)

Pros: Prototypical size for position and outstanding explosiveness and athleticism for his size.  Excellent rebounder and can score around the basket at will.  Can get to the free throw line with ease.  He has all the physical gifts you look for in a big man and was extremely productive in college.  I think everyone can attest to his ability and credentials.

Cons: Not a great defender but could develop into a solid one given his physical tools.  Turnover prone.  Because of his incredible athleticism, he hasn’t needed to use/show off a dominant post-up or spot-up to put up numbers.  He has poor free throw shooting numbers which does not bode well for how his mid-range shot might develop.  Durability might come into question after he got thrown around (literally) last year in college.

Boom/Bust: High boom, low bust pick.  His physical tools, skillset, performance in college indicate he should be a great player.

Fit for Warriors: (5) He is a fit for any and every team.  He is exactly what you look for in a power forward.  If the Warriors pull off this lottery miracle, Brandan Wright may be used as trade bait (or perhaps function as a career backup) and Randolph would need to develop SF skills immediately.  If this were to happen, would Randolph’s chance of being a bust increase?  He has a higher ceiling yet lower floor at PF.  He would probably be seen as a better overall player/talent if he was able to translate and develop his skills at SF.  However, he has a better chance at succeeding (a little bit of a lower ceiling but much higher floor) as a PF.  It is interesting that we could win and lose with the addition of Griffin because of a possible necessary position change for Randolph.

 

Jordan Hill (6’10”, 235, Arizona, Junior, 22)

Pros: Great size and has gotten stronger/bulkier.  Solid post-up skills, but prefers to play from the high post where he can face up and drive to the basket or shoot a jumpshot.  His jumpshot is pretty solid and has good range for a power forward.  Very athletic and can run the floor well.  Loves to attack the glass on both ends of the floor and is a very good shot blocker.

Cons: Not an efficient scorer (possibly an effect of the lack of overall talent on the Arizona team last year).  He is also turnover prone has bad habits on offense (traveling).  He likes to go one-on-one a lot on offense and forces himself to take difficult shots.  In the past he has been foul prone and see as not having a “killer instinct.”

Boom/Bust: Moderate boom & bust potential.  Has all the tools to be a very solid player in the league for a long time.  He will excel off the pick and roll/pop.  Of all the Chris Bosh comparisons in recent years, I think Jordan Hill is the most similar.  Sure they have the similar hair, but I think their skillset and body type are very similar.

Fit for Warriors: (3) Good fit, but Warriors have 2 other guys who have been compared to Chris Bosh in Randolph and Wright.  Hill has a better traditional offensive game and is stronger and bulkier than both of them.  Essentially he combines Randolph’s defensive abilities with Wright’s offensive prowess.  As much as I like Hill, he would duplicate our last two drafts.

 

DeJuan Blair (6’7, 275, Pittsburgh, Sophomore, 20)

Pros: A bull on the block.  He has incredible size (horizontally), strength and bulk and can push about anyone (at least in college) off the block.  He is a great competitor and hard worker who is very efficient on offense.  He has a 7’2” wingspan which allows him to play bigger than his height.  Solid post-up game.

Cons: He is extremely short for the PF/C position and people believe he is actually 6’6” (a little taller than the height of an average SG).  His post up game could improve as he basically only uses his strength to gain position inside.  He has almost a non existent offensive game outside of the post.  He isn’t a good free throw shooter and is not a great defender (one-on-one or help) due to his athletic limitations.  His reported weight fluctuates between 260 and 290, so weight and conditioning is obviously a concern. 

Boom/Bust: Moderate boom, low bust potential.  Some people may say he has high bust potential, but I don’t think that because I don’t think that much is expected from him.  Everyone knows what kind of player he is and he knows what kind of player he is, so he will continue to play the same way he does in college.  His success will be dictated by the system he plays in.  Success of undersized 4s like Millsap, Landry and to an extent Leon Powe and Glen Davis (more of a overall size comparison even though he is 6’8 or 6’9) indicates that Blair can be a very valuable role player on a NBA team.

Fit for Warriors: (3) The Warriors could definitely use his heart, desire, hustle and rebounding on the inside.  However, he may be too small and too slow to be effective in Nellie’s system.

 

Small Forwards:

The small forward position seems pretty set at the moment unless Corey Maggette can somehow be traded.  Jackson can be a 2 or 3 and has turned himself into one of the top 3-5 SFs in the Western Conference.  Azubuike can also rotate between the 2 and 3.  If the Warriors go BPA they could select a SF of the future, if they envision Randolph permanently staying at the 4 spot.  For this team, Nelson loves his SFs to be able to cause matchup problems.

 

James Johnson (6’8”, 235, Wake Forest, Sophomore, 22)

Pros: Great all-around player and scorer who has a variety of ways of scoring.  Because of this, he can shoot a very high FG%.  He can create shots for himself and has a very good midrange game.  Can play a variety of positions (the 3, 4, maybe 2 for short periods) in the NBA.  He is a good all-around defender and makes use of his size and length to block shots.  He is also an aggressive help defender who can create steals as well.  Very good rebounder and solid passer, especially for the SF spot. 

Cons: He is not a 3 point threat and doesn’t get to the line often.  When he does, he shoots only 70%.  He needs to improve his overall offensive and defensive awareness.  He can stand to improve his one-on-one defense and his shot selection. 

Boom/Bust: Moderate boom, moderate bust.  He is a solid all-around player who can do everything well but is not spectacular at anything.  His midrange ability, solid athleticism and overall offensive skills make him a great mismatch at the 3 spot.  Reminds me of Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

Fit for Warriors: (2) Being a good passer and having outstanding versatility, he is a very good fit for the Warriors at the SF spot.  However, he isn’t outstanding and isn’t really needed unless the Warriors unload one of their current players.

 

Earl Clark (6’10”, 230, Lousiville, Junior, 21)

Pros: Very versatile and can play both the 3 and 4.  Has outstanding height and has all the skills and tools to be a great player (minus the jumpshot).  He has shown he can be a great defender and passer and has very good athleticism for his height.

Cons: Not a good shooter at all and has shot low percentages across the board.  Not only is he not a good shooter, he is not a very good scorer.  He also seems to lack the ‘killer instinct’.  I see him becoming what Lamar Odom is now, whereas Anthony Randolph could develop into what Odom was supposed to be—because of his desire and killer instinct.

Boom/Bust: Moderate boom, high bust.  He is a very similar player to James Johnson, however I believe he has higher bust potential.  Though they are both very versatile players, Johnson is a far better scorer and midrange shooter.  On the other hand, Clark is probably a better ball handler. 

Fit for Warriors: (3) Would be great if he could develop into a better shooter, like the player he is often compared to—Danny Granger.  However, not being a great shooting or scoring threat limits Earl Clark’s potential and fit.  Management would have to make a firm decision about Randolph's future if they were to pick Earl Clark.  If they see Randolph as a future 4, Clark could fit adequately with Randolph because he seems to have better handles and passing ability.  However, if they look to develop Randolph as a future 3--this pick would be a duplication.  The problem is Clark wouldn't fit on this team immediately with Maggette, Jackson and Azubuike taking minutes away from him.

 

 

Shooting Guards:

If the Warriors choose a shooting guard, he must be able to play the point to an extent (playmaking abilities) and have good size and defensive ability/potential to enable Monta to guard the smaller player.  Being a good shooter is very much preferable to maximize drive and kick possibilities from Monta and double teams when Jax posts up.

 

James Harden (6’5”, 220, Arizona State, Sophomore, 20)

Pros: Ultra-smooth lefty with very developed offensive game—people often use the word ‘crafty’.  He can finish at the rim but also is an excellent midrange shooter with NBA range. Overall, he has a very high FG% for a guard.  Very cerebral player who has a high basketball IQ, especially on the offensive end.  Can also be a distributor and playmaker when necessary.  Very consistent and great at getting to the free throw line.  Great rebounder and has long arms (6’11”) for a guard.  Solid free throw shooter and defender.  In his highlight videos, he has a surprisingly quick first step to get by a defender.

Cons: Not a great athlete and it will be hard for him to get around defenders in the NBA.  Lack of quickness might hurt his ability to defend in NBA.  Struggled against zone defense in NCAA tournament and was limited.  Though he is a solid playmaker, he needs to improve his ball handling (especially with his off-hand) and learn to shoot better off the dribble.

Boom/Bust: Moderate boom, low bust potential.  Has been compared extensively to Brandon Roy and Manu Ginobili.  Because his offensive game is so advanced and refined for his age, it is difficult to believe he wouldn’t at least be an effective scorer off the bench.  His overall skill level is very high and he should turn into a very good NBA player.

Fit for Warriors: (5) Outstanding fit for the Warriors.  He is a great all-around player who would be great in the backcourt with Monta.  He can guard bigger guards and is a very good shooter and solid playmaker.  He can be effective without demanding the ball on offense and should be effective spotting up off drive-and-kick and post-up double teams from other players.  While he might not have the ball-handling skills to play a true point guard next to Monta, he doesn't really need to.  His playmaking and passing skills are solid enough to distribute effectively in the half court.  Furthermore, Monta is fairly skilled at running the pick-and-roll and can bring the ball up the court well enough.  Even though neither is a true point guard, both together have complimentary skills to be a serviceable enough 'point guard.'

 

DeMar DeRozan (6’6”, 220, USC, Freshman, 20)

Pros: Freakish athleticism and leaping ability.  He possibly has the greatest postential in this class as his athletic ability translates to being an elite scorer and defender.  Can play the 2 or 3.  Solid midrange game.  Great rebounder for a guard.  Despite inconsistency, he shot a very high FG% during his year at USC. 

Cons: DeRozan is a very raw player overall and didn’t impress much during his time at USC and is still unproven.  He didn’t do a lot to answer the questions about him coming out of high school and was very inconsistent.  He doesn’t seem to have a ‘killer instinct’ on the court and plays very casually.  Not a playmaker and has subpar ball handling skills.  A very very poor 3 point shooter last season in college and not a good free throw shooter.

Boom/Bust: High boom and high bust potential.  He compares almost identically to Vince Carter in terms of athletic ability, body type, skillset and tendencies.  However, he is very raw and unpolished and could turn out to be one of the many great athletes who were not good enough basketball players to succeed in the NBA.

Fit for Warriors: (4) Doesn’t have the point guard skills to be an ideal fit alongside Monta, however, he is a great athlete and midrange player.  If he develops correctly, he has the skills to fit any team.  However, it unlikely he would get extended playing time on the Warriors unless he shows marked improvement in his game immediately.  He is almost the polar opposite of James Harden--outstanding tools and physical ability but underdeveloped game.

 

Tyreke Evans (6’6”, 219, Memphis, Freshman, 20)

Pros: Great offensive player who can break down a defender, get to the rim and finish.  Has a scorer’s mentality.  He has point guard skills and Memphis was undefeated (until it lost in the tournament) with him at the point.  He is a very good rebounder for a guard and has an insane 7’3” wingspan.  Was knocked coming out of high school for not being a hard worker but Calipari said he was the hardest working player he has ever coached.  All the physical tools to be a great defender.

Cons: A very poor jump shooter and is very streaky.  Shot 27.4% from the college 3.  Has NBA range on his shot, but it is not consistent at all.  Sometimes he is too flashy.  Though he can run the point, he isn’t a great passer and playmaker (1.08 A/T, close to 4 of each a game).  Though he has all the tools to be an elite defender, he hasn’t shown the effort on that end.  He gets steals but doesn’t work hard enough as a individual perimeter defender.

Boom/Bust: High boom, moderate bust potential.  He incredible overall talent.  If he can develop his defensive skills and intensity (he has the tools) and his jumpshot he will be incredible.  If not, he may be a bust, even though, in my opinion he has enough developed basketball skills and too much talent to bust completely. Draftexpress compares him to Larry Hughes and for better or worse, I see that.  I think he will be better though…

Fit for Warriors: (4) His ability to run the point, get to the rim and defend big guards makes him a great player to pair with Monta in the backcourt.  His inability to knock down an open jumpshot makes him a poor player to pair with Monta.  Both players like the ball in their hands and I am concerned that with Evans, Monta, Corey Maggette and Jax, we would have too many players that like to go one-on-one.  I saw some other GSOMers compare him to Jamal Crawford.  While he does shoot a low percentage from the floor, I think he is much more content and adept at going to the basket than Jamal.  At the same time, Evans likes to isolate and go 1-on-1 a lot.  To Jamal Crawford's credit, I saw him deferring to teammates in the tiny portion of the year where Monta, Jax, Maggette and himself were all 'healthy'.  Evans doesn't seem like he would be willing to do that.

 

Gerald Henderson (6’4”, 210, Duke, Junior, 21)

Pros: Explosive athleticism and leaping ability and can score in many ways.  Very good intangibles and is a good leader, hard worker and has a high basketball IQ.  Solid rebounder for a guard and improved each year at Duke.  With the exception of the first month of the season, he was very consistent last year.

Cons: Undersized for his position.  Has asthma which can limit his minutes on the court.  Decent but not great shooter.  He is not a particularly great playmaker or defender and was very average on the college level in those categories.

Boom/Bust: Low boom, low bust potential.  I don’t expect him to develop into that much.  At the very best he will be a average/solid starting SG and at the worst he will be a solid role/bench player—a Shane Battier type of career.  He is too athletic and smart of a player not to have moderate success, but he has several limitations that

Fit for Warriors: (2) Doesn’t have great potential nor does he have the skills and tools that are necessary as a backcourt mate for Monta. 

 

Terrence Williams (6’6”, 220, Louisville, Senior, 22)

Pros: Great athlete who can stuff the stat sheet with points, rebounds, assists and steals (good rebounder for a guard).  Pretty strong and can play and guard multiple positions on the floor.  Has point-forward capability and can handle the ball.

Cons: Not a great scorer or shooter and can disappear offensively.  Has a lackadaisical attitude and doesn’t have a “killer instinct” on the court.

Boom/Bust: Moderate boom and bust potential.  As I have said before, lack of “killer instinct” is usually a sign for me that a player will not reach his full potential.  While I really like his skills, I really don't see him becoming a great NBA player.  His college track record hasn't shown otherwise.

Fit for Warriors: (4) Williams would be a good fit.  He has great versatility and can play point-forward which makes him good for Nellie’s system.  Seems like he is a solid defender (who has all the tools) and could play with Monta because of his ability to run the point and defend larger guards.  Shooting ability could be a concern though.

 

Point Guards:

A true point guard is probably he most desireable position to add in this draft, and luckily it is the deepest position.  Because Monta lacks true point guard abilities, it would be ideal to find a guard who can distribute, yet guard larger players.  For the record, at the very least, all the players on this list would be an upgrade over CJ in their ability to run a team.

 

Ricky Rubio (6’4”, 180, Spain, 19)

Pros: Very creative player and outstanding passer with great court vision.  He is a very good ball handler as well and has a high basketball IQ.  He also has great size for his position and a lot of international experience against top flight talent (Olympics and against much older players in Europe).  He plays defense with a lot of intensity and effort and has outstanding intangibles.

Cons: Rubio’s biggest weaknesses are his lack of great athleticism and explosiveness which could limit his scoring ability in the NBA.  He is also not a great shooter or scorer on offense.

Boom/Bust: High boom, low bust.  Despite his physical limitations and shooting/scoring ability, he should be able to shine on the next level because of his ability to handle the ball, passing ability, and defensive intensity.

Fit for Warriors: (5) He is exactly what the Warriors need in a point guard.  Despite not being the most athletic player, he gives great effort on defense and is big enough to defend players that Monta cannot.  He has great court vision and playmaking skills on offense and would instantly make the players around him better.  He compares favorably to Jason Kidd.

 

Jrue Holiday (6’4”, 185, UCLA, Freshman, 19)

Pros: Has great size and height for the PG position.  He is very adept at running an offense and an excellent perimeter defender.  He is an excellent rebounder for a point guard as well.  He is an unselfish team player who can play in any system.  He is a skilled finisher at the rim and can play the 2 guard position like he did this year at UCLA (due to Darren Collison’s presence).  He is a fairly polished overall player.  If he showed anything this year at UCLA it is the fact that he seems like a great teammate who is comfortable doing what it takes for the sake of the team's success.

Cons: Struggled immensely at UCLA and did not put up very good numbers at all.  He shot low percentages and scored in single digits.  His assist and rebounding numbers were not especially impressive either.  Furthermore, Holiday is not an explosive athlete, but is solid and smooth and should be serviceable on the next level.  He didn’t showcase all his advertised skills leading people to wonder about his overall potential.

Boom/Bust: Moderate Boom, moderate bust.  I think he has the skillset to be a very solid and successful NBA player.  Watching him play, you get the sense he is very comfortable on the floor and knows what he is doing.  However, the fact that he performed so poorly this year scares me a bit.  Even though he played out of position on a half-court oriented team, someone with his supposed talent level should be able to produce a lot more than he did.  His shooting percentages were very scarily low.  In terms of his personality, on first glance he might seem to lack a "killer instinct" like a lot of the other prospects I've described.  However, with Holiday, I think it is just that he is a soft-spoken, team-oriented and hard working individual.  He doesn't crave the spotlight, but his competitiveness shows on the court.  Attitude is definitely not a problem with Holiday.

Fit for Warriors: (4) His size and skillset are ideal fits for the Warriors at the PG position.  However, since he has shown a very weak jumpshot and isn’t an explosive, lighting quick athlete (like Tony Parker, Barbosa or Monta), he could really struggle offensively when matched up with athletic wing defenders in the NBA.  He won't be flashy but he should be a solid guard who does what you ask of him.  Right now, I seem him as Chauncey Billups without the jumpshot.  For some reason, I see him being a Sam Cassell type of player eventually (if he is able to get that jumpshot) and having a Sam Cassell type of career--very solid.

 

Brandon Jennings (6’1”, 170, USA, 20)

Pros: Explosive and very athletic point guard with a combination of skills.  Can get to the rim with ease and finish above the rim.  Very good passer and good shooter.  Great ball handler with outstanding vision.  Very complete skill set offensively.  Developed maturity, intangibles and work ethic while in Europe.

Cons: Slight build, small frame and not very tall.  He could get pushed around by bigger guards in the NBA.  Often too flashy and tries to make spectacular plays.  Not a great defender, who doesn’t put in very much effort on that end of the floor.  Not a good rebounder either.  Struggled a lot in Europe and didn’t get the playing time he desired.  Did not shoot well at all and struggled with turnovers while abroad. 

Boom/Bust: High boom, moderate bust.  Playing in Europe for a year has certainly tempered expectations.  He probably would have much greater expectations had he gone to college in the United States and played well.  The best thing that Europe has done for him is that it has forced him to learn to play within a system and not be flashy.  He has dealt with knowing that he will be taken out of the game immediately if he doesn’t perform at the level expected of him.  This experience should make him much more humble and coachable on the NBA level.

Fit for Warriors: (3) Elite skills with exciting potential but too slight to play next to Monta.  His maturity level and the way he was forced to learn in Europe makes a better potential NBA player in my opinion.  He was not pampered and raved about the way he would probably be if he went to Arizona/college.  Instead, he was forced to play team ball and showed him you can't get away with being so flashy once you're in the pro game.  His skills are very Baron Davis-like even though he doesn't have the size and strength.  Jennings would be as flashy a pick for the Warriors as the player he is.  He may indeed turn into an All-Star because he has the althleticism and has a much more developed offensive game than most of the other prospects in this draft.  It really depends what direction the team wants to go.  If they want to get more defensive/rebounding oriented, this is obviously not the pick (even guardwise, as there are better defensive and rebounding guards).  However, if they want to stick with the exciting, high scoring, minimal defensive teams that the Warriors have become associated with in years past, Jennings has the potential to be great.

 

Stephen Curry (6’3, 185, Davidson, Junior, 21)

Pros: Outstanding shooter with great range.  High basketball IQ, with strong overall skillset and intangibles.  He was a go to scorer with a very effective and efficient offensive game.  Unlike other great college shooters, he can create his own shot.  Excellent shooting percentages.  Great at getting to the line and really filled the stat sheet last year.

Cons: Not a great athlete and not very good size.  He played serviceably at point guard, but is not a true point and had high turnover numbers.  He didn’t display very good defensive skills.  Was shut down by elite opponents.

Boom/Bust: Low boom, moderate bust.  By now, people aren’t expecting Curry to be a great player.  If he is a good shooter and backup, most fans should be satisfied.  He could be a very solid starter and scorer on a team with a superstar guard/wing player who handles the ball a lot (Lakers, Cavs, Heat, etc.).  However, if he is looked as the go-to playmaker as both a scorer and distrbutor, he will struggle.

Fit for Warriors: (1) Excellent shooter but not good enough of a point guard and doesn’t have the size to defend bigger guards.

 

Eric Maynor (6’2”, 175, Virginia Commonwealth, Senior, 22)

Pros: Very productive with a diverse offensive game.  He can be a playmaker—as shown by his high assist numbers—but also is a high scorer.  He is very experienced and a great on floor leader who can carry a team.  He is a great scorer who gets to the line a lot and shoots very good percentages across the board.  Efficient player.

Cons: He is not an elite defender and doesn’t have great size.  Although he has excellent intangibles, he doesn’t quite have the athletic ability to match.  Despite being a good shooter from inside, his 3 point shot could improve, especially in transitioning to the NBA. 

Boom/Bust: Moderate Boom, low bust.  He is not an elite athlete, but he has skills and intangibles that will make him an outstanding backup point guard at the very least.  His leadership skills and ability to score as well as distribute well are skills that translate to being a solid player in the league.

Fit for Warriors: (3) His size doesn’t make him a viable candidate for the backcourt with Monta.  However, he is very skilled and a good leader, which the Warriors could definitely use.  He has the skills to come in and play immediately for Nellie.

 

Ty Lawson (6’0, 195, North Carolina, Junior, 22)

Pros: Outstanding speed and quickness.  Good strength for his size. Very good ball handler who put up great numbers during his season at UNC.  Very efficient offensive player.  Had outstanding shooting percentages last season, especially from 3 point line.  Good at getting to the line.  Had a very high A/T ratio.

Cons: Despite his shooting numbers last year, his shot is still most often called into question.  People question the number of attempts and his ability to shoot off the dribble and his overall midrange game.  Some think his success was due to the fact he played in an uptempo college system which suited his game well.  He is very small which could limit his defensive ability on the next level.

Boom/Bust: Moderate boom, moderate bust.  It is hard to say if he is a product of the system or not.  He has very unique skills and abilities and his college numbers (and size) compare favorably to Chris Paul.  However, his basketball and leadership skills don’t stand out the way that CP3’s did in college.

Fit for Warriors: (3) His speed, quickness could be devastating when paired with Monta, but he is way too small for this backcourt.

 

Jonny Flynn (6’0", 172, Syracuse, Sophomore, 20)

Pros: Outstanding speed and quickness.  Very good scorer.  Extremely productive in the best conference in college basketball.  Loves to take his defender one-on-one, break him down and go to the rim.  Very good at drawing contact and fouls and a decent free throw shooter.  Good assist numbers.  Fairly good midrange shooter.

Cons: Not a good 3pt shooter and or rebounder--even for a guard.  Lots of turnovers.  Needs the ball in his hand to be effective.  If size is a concern for Ty Lawson, it might be even a bigger concern for Flynn.  He is about the same height (probably smaller than the listed 6'0") and a lot less bulk.  This could limit him as a defender.  Wasn't a great defender in college anyway and doesn't even get many steals given his quickness.

Boom/Bust: Moderate boom, low bust.  He is a great penetrator and has decent midrange game so I expect him be a solid backup guard at the very least.  Reminds me a lot of D.J. Augustin in terms of his size and game.

Fit for Warriors: (2) Like Lawson, his speed, quickness could be devastating when paired with Monta, but he is way too small for this backcourt.  Furthermore, he seems to need the ball in his hand much more than Lawson to be effective.  Flynn could be better running the half-court offense and scoring in the half-court, but Lawson seems better in space.

 

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sorry for the length

i tried to do the best i could to combine my personal knowledge from a bunch of what i have read on the web. the length definitely declined when i got toward the point guards…
the information isn’t new but just compiled with my personal opinion. i wanted to complement ’ejdacanay’s thread but it was too long for a comment…

obviously, griffin, rubio and harden are ideal. however, i think derozan, evans and holiday would be next best options for the warriors.

by gogoldenbears on May 19, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Definitely.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on May 19, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Not

Oakland Raiders Fan
Golden State Warriors Fan
San Francisco Giants Fan

by i love sports101 on May 22, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it'll depend on who's left when Minny picks.

They need a PG, help at the wing positions and a C.

No center is worth taking that high (assuming Thabeet is taken already). They could come down to taking Harden if he’s still there, Derozen, Evans, Jrue, Lawson…etc.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."

by kenntoe on May 20, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent write up, I’ll be linking your post to my next version of my thread.

However some points that I disagree with is with DeJuan Blair’s rating, I really don’t think his fitness level and athleticism will appeal much to Nellie, he is also pretty slow and might not be able to keep up with the rest of the squad. I also think that Clark could be rated a fringe 4, just because he can do everything that Nelso likes and needs.

Other than that, once again great job with the writeup!

Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on May 19, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks appreciate it

on dejuan—yeah i think he might be too slow but according to chad ford on ESPN, he says that he has trimmed down considerably and appears to be in better shape. unlike a lot of the players in the draft, he has the developed skills we need but maybe not the athletic ones. he is a backup PF/C type player and we should only look at him if we trade down in my opinion

on clark—he definitely has the skills to be a great fit. i can see him doing a lot of what jax does in terms of handling the ball and posting up smaller 3s due to his great size. however, because we have so many wing players and 2 of our biggest contracts and ‘better’ players are at the 3 (jax, maggette and even azubuike) i don’t see that as a position of need unless we get rid of someone. if we play him at the 4, he duplicates what we already have in randolph—minus the heart/desire. i saw him compared a lot to danny granger, but i really think he will turn out to be what lamar odom is now—very good ball skills, stuck between the 3&4, not living up to talent, not a great scorer but can get hot and dominate every once in awhile.

by gogoldenbears on May 20, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's a combo forward, but more of a 3 than a 4.

Most of his minutes should come at the 3 because he’s a better mismatch there with his height and build. He can post up smaller players (he has a decent back to the basket game), or shoot the ball from the outside. I say if Harden and Jrue aren’t there, I’m satisfied if the Warriors pick him.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."

by kenntoe on May 20, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so, i’ve made the 3/4 turn on jennings. i’d now be somewhere between okay and pleased with drafting him. this is a really weak draft and if jennings can play backup point guard better than cj (a fair assumption), then he’s improved us somewhere and has a shot to be a legit starting point guard down the line. if he can improve his efficiency and d up nba point guards, it’ll be a great pick. if he doesn’t do those things and is a respectable backup point guard for his whole career, at the 7 spot in a draft like this, you really can’t complain.

that’s said, i’m really, really hoping that harden somehow falls to us due to “concerns about his athleticism”. i think i might start calling opposing gms and telling them not to draft him because i worked him one on one at a local gym.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 19, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I looked into Maynor and he's my pick for pg

I’m not going to go into projections because they mean nothing without a full year in the NBA, but he has shown to be solid. Even though he is considered out of the top 10, I’d still go for someone you judge will be good than BPA.

The King of the East shall move his kingdom to the West. 2010.

by GoldenBlue on May 20, 2009 2:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah you can't look at projections

i mean if someone took monta in the top 10 of the 2005 draft they might have looked dumb then, but they would be the ones getting the last laugh. if you really believe you are getting BPA then i say go ahead and do it.

there is also the school of thought that if you are the only team that values that player you can trade down and acquire some additional assets, but i think that is harder to do in the NBA than the NFL…

by gogoldenbears on May 20, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monta fell because

He had knee surgery during the offseason after his senior year, plus there were attitude concerns surrounding him because he started to pout during the McDonalds All-Star game. But the talent was still there to be in lottery discussion.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."

by kenntoe on May 20, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny how those attitude concerns

still linger

LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.

by misterjennings on May 20, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

copied from other thread: updated big board for WARRIORS

 1. blake griffin
2. ricky rubio
3. james harden
4. (tie) demar derozan
4. (tie) tyreke evans
6. jrue holiday
7. earl clark

8. brandon jennings
9. terrence williams
10. eric maynor
11. jordan hill
12. dejuan blair
13. james johnson
14. hasheem thabeet
15. ty lawson
please dont consider: gerald henderson, bj mullens, stephen curry, chase budinger, jonny flynn

we should target the players in bold with our pick

by gogoldenbears on May 20, 2009 8:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Chase Budinger is overrated

but he also kind of reminds me of a Mike “Dumbleavy”

Don Nelson: "Hey Johnny shot 3s"
Player: "But coach i'm 7 foot 8"
Don Nelson: "Johnny!!,if you know whats good for you shoot 3s"

by LighTz707OuT on May 21, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

waaaaaaay more athletic.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 4:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s a big board for the Warriors, not a projected draft

by Neon on May 24, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maynor and Blair ahead of Thabeet is crazy for any team’s big board.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 25, 2009 4:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps

yeah i guess, but i just think bust everytime i see a large african center with only a few years of basketball experience, the same way i think bust with white guys from duke…

no ignorance or disrespect meant by that…

by gogoldenbears on May 25, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt very much that centers born in Africa with only a few years of basketball experience have a success rate that is all that different from the success rate of US born centers. Most of both lots wind up being busts, though the ones taken real high (Olajuwon and Mutombo) seem to have worked out reasonably well for guys still learning the game when drafted.

by jae on May 25, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

please dont consider earl clark

he played 3 years in college and his production never came close to his ‘tools’ Unlike other players with potential who were only 18, he is 21.

by tafkasam on May 20, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's why everyone should watch him play.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."

by kenntoe on May 20, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

holiday!

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on May 20, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the name's Jrue Down and he'll slick rick the ruler

Can you feel me?

LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.

by misterjennings on May 20, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jrue that

LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.

by misterjennings on May 20, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on May 20, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

j. holiday

he can play the point, is a great defender and can serenade the ladies and put them to ‘bed’. complete package

by gogoldenbears on May 20, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm on the Holiday bandwagon

He sounds like a perfect fit to pair with Monta

by Neon on May 22, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m concerned about a backcourt where nobody is able to stretch the D with outside shooting. I like Holiday, but I’d sacrifice having size in the backcourt with Monta for having a guy who will open things up inside for others to attack.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 4:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about defense?

How do you guard the 2’s, especially the big ones, without a big PG? Also, I’ve heard Holiday’s shot is better than he showed last year but what do I know? I also think Monta’s about to add a 3 pointer, given how much more comfortable he looked with long jump shots last year.

by Neon on May 24, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guard them by trying to deny the ball when possible, by trying to keep them out of the paint where the size advantage means more, by switching when this happens, and by realizng that not all situations are ideal, that some bigger twos will be a problem, but better to have an undersized backcourt that can do something, control the ball, score efficiently and control the tempo than to select a bigger guard simply because he’s bigger to address one particular issue while leaving many others unsolved.

by jae on May 24, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hear you and agree with a lot of what you’re saying. I just don’t see the Warriors truly becoming competitive without stopping opposing teams’ guards from getting into the lane. At some point we either have to get serious about defense or just settle for being exciting but mediocre. Not sure that can be done without a physically bigger PG or getting rid of Monta.

by Neon on May 24, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would not at all doubt that Monta will develop a three point shot at some point. It is not at all uncommon for players to add respectable long range shots as their careers progress. It isn’t a given, but it happens often enough that it shouldn’t be discounted.

by jae on May 24, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you say

Richard Hamilton?

Year 3PM-3PA 3P%
99-00 0.4-1.1 0.364
00-01 0.5-1.9 0.274
01-02 0.3-0.7 0.381
02-03 0.4-1.5 0.269
03-04 0.2-0.9 0.265
04-05 0.5-1.6 0.305
05-06 0.7-1.5 0.458
06-07 0.6-1.7 0.341
07-08 0.9-2.0 0.44
08-09 1.0-2.8 0.368

Sorry, tabs don’t come out. Full profile here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=294

Tried to be a 3pt shooter, probably because people told him he had to, then stopped. Finally, he’s added it to his arsenal recently and has become a quality 3pt shooter while shooting more than he ever had in his career.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 26, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“How do you guard the 2’s, especially the big ones, without a big PG?”

Keep in mind if you’re assuming the PG guards the 2 with Ellis guarding the 1, our big PG is going to have to be at least 6’5. Any shorter and he’s still too small to guard a lot of 2’s. It really limits the options…

by Missing Barry on May 27, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word

I agree. Monta Ellis creates a really difficult situation for us defensively when you put him at the 2 offensively. I think his lack of PG skills / instincts necessitate this, though.

I’m not sure the future PG has to be 6’5", though that would be sweet. I think a bigger bodied guy like Baron could do the trick. Baron is 6’3" and 215lb. and he could handle most 2s defensively (when he wanted to play D). The most important thing is that this player is able to keep guys in front of him and not let himself get posted up easily. Giving up a little height might be OK, I think.

by Neon on May 27, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with you about Monta. Disagree a little about Baron. At times, he was too short and guys like Kobe could get good looks shooting right over him. Baron (when he tried) was also the best defensive PG in the league, so most guys won’t perform at his level. Basically, I see 6’3 as too short, 6’4 is a gray area, and 6’5+ would give us a legitimate backcourt pairing with Monta defensively.

by Missing Barry on May 27, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

been watching a lot of USC ball to scout derozan for my profile...

i would look at daniel hackett coming as a pickup before the summer league. he is 6’5", played the point, good defender and showed some skills. i think he could be a solid backup PG in the NBA. don’t think he will get drafted though…

by gogoldenbears on May 27, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish there was a cheap way to pry Weaver away from OKC

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defensively I think Tyrke Evans would be a great fit. He’s 6’6" 220 lb. I guess the real question with him is is he a point guard?

I also like Jrue Holiday. He’s 6’4" 200 lb. Sounds like Sacramento might pick him at 4, though.

by Neon on May 27, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve read varying reports about Holiday’s size. I believe he’s 6’4 about as much as I believe Jennings is 6’2…but if it’s true, then I could at least see a chance he fits defensively on 2’s with Ellis on 1’s.

by Missing Barry on May 27, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

im cooling on holiday

i was a big fan of his and his high school tapes look great. however the lack of production and (at times) poor performance raise a ton of red flags for me. sure, ben howland’s system was probably not the best fit for him but i’ve actually heard from a ton of UCLA fans that his defensive ability and performance was overrated (seems to validate what that one UCLA student kept saying on GSoM). also his jumpshot is kinda weak.

i wouldn’t hate the pick, but i see him as sort of a developmental prospect. perhaps by the time he is a dependable contributor, he could be a free agent. i’ll reserve final judgement until after the pre-draft camps… if he can show he can run the point and shoot/score well, then i’ll be back on the bandwagon

by gogoldenbears on May 27, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough. I really don’t have an opinion on Holiday – I feel his workouts and such will be a huge factor in where he gets picked and will be the best source for information on what he’s capable of, and teams get to see them and we don’t…

by Missing Barry on May 28, 2009 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m hoping Sacramento takes him just so we don’t have to hear everyone whining for months when we pass on him or everyone hailing him as a franchise savior if we do take him.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyreke Evans

Stick him at PG, he’d give us size in the backcourt.

by SPENCEMAN on May 20, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jamal Crawford is about the same size

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 4:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

difference here is Tyreke actually plays like he’s 6’5" if his 5.4 rebounds in 29 minutes is any indication.
*just for comparison, Jamal averaged 2.8 rebounds in 33 minutes in college.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tyreke-Evans-1110/

by the evil monkey on May 24, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is encouraging, but Memphis doesn’t exactly play against top tier talent in their regular season. I have no idea how good or bad the big 10 was when Crawford was at Michigan, but I’m guessing it was better than this year’s conf. USA.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lottery Mock Draft 2009 (2nd Update):
1.) Los Angeles Clippers — Blake Griffin, PF/Oklahoma
2.) Memphis Grizzlies — Jordan Hill, PF/Arizona
3.) Oklahoma City Thunder — Hasheem Thabeet, C/Connecticut
4.) Sacramento Kings — Ricky Rubio, PG/Spain
5.) Washington Wizards — James Harden, SG/Arizona State
6.) Minnesota Timberwolves — DeMar DeRozan, SG/USC
7.) Golden State Warriors — Brandon Jennings, PG/United States of America
8.) New York Knicks — Stephen Curry, PG/Davidson
9.) Toronto Raptors — Earl Clark, SF/Louisville
10.) Milwaukee Bucks — Wayne Ellington, SG/North Carolina
11.) New Jersey Nets — Jrue Holiday, PG/UCLA
12.) Charlotte Bobcats — James Johnson, SF/Georgia Tech
13.) Indiana Pacers — Gerald Henderson, SG/Duke
14.) Phoenix Suns — Jonny Flynn, PG/Syracuse

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on May 20, 2009 8:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

With Chris Wallace at the helm, i guess it’s possible.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."

by kenntoe on May 20, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure OKC will look to trade back.

Thabeet seems to be going #2 (Memphis are VERY HIGH on him according to every pundit). OKC wanted thabeet over rubio. but obviously they know rubio is coveted. I think they try to trade down a few spots to a team who wants rubio. Perhaps even Sac at 4 could be worced into doing it.

by tafkasam on May 21, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

big enough to defend players that Monta cannot

You’ve listed Rubio as 6’4", 180. That’s one inch taller than Monta’s listed at and zero pounds heavier. How exactly is his size appreciably different?

I’m not saying he can’t play better defense, just that size isn’t the issue.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 21, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know why that came as a reply to you tafkasam...

If the NBA folks have learned anything, they’ll say one thing with the goal of gaining an edge in any trade proposals. They’ll do something… just like they did last year.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 21, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're probably right

i always thought he was a bigger guard with more bulk. that said, i’m not quite sure monta is actually 6’3. i think the point is that rubio is known for giving effort on defense as opposed to monta. the same goes for jrue holiday. he isn’t that much bigger than monta but he is known as a defensive guard. also reportedly has long arms/large wingspan and was able to defend players 5 inches taller than him in high school.

im actually starting to temper my expectations of rubio. i think he will be a solid but unspectacular point guard—like jason kidd in the latter part of his career.

by gogoldenbears on May 21, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listed heights are not regularly accurate. Kevin Johnson was listed at over 6 feet tall. I stood eye to eye with him at Kip’s once upon a time. Allowing for him wearing thinner soled shoes at the time, he still could not have been more than 5-11.

Rubio is listed as about the same size as Payton. Take that for what zou will.

by jae on May 21, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

is it just me or

do jennings and rubio look about the same height

by gogoldenbears on May 21, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I almost posted the same thing, then I realized how much they mess with magazine covers.

by Missing Barry on May 21, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. We do not know that the picture as shown is not a composite creation from two separate pictures, as is often the case.

by jae on May 23, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’ve heard that jennings is only about 6 feet, but players always lie about their height.

Don Nelson: "Hey Johnny shot 3s"
Player: "But coach i'm 7 foot 8"
Don Nelson: "Johnny!!,if you know whats good for you shoot 3s"

by LighTz707OuT on May 21, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the video here:

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/5/20/881215/jennings-7-yes-according-to-chad

You can see that Jennings is an inch or two shorter (depending on how much Rubio’s hair is puffed up). It’s in the middle somewhere. Sorry I didn’t grab the time.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 22, 2009 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep... which is why...

Seeing worth believe. You see, I could have posted clips of Jennings being a pimp in HS. But to get some player profiles of him from Europe show just how raw he still is. The slam mag video is good because you can see that he already has edge on Rubio in terms of physic, but that Rubio got a few inch on him in height and wingspan.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on May 22, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The slam mag video is good because you can see that he already has edge on Rubio in terms of physic

Once Rubio gets the hang of electrons and protons, he’ll ace the AP Physics exam, you watch!

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 22, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i heard that ish was really hard

by Calamity on May 24, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot has been mader of the Dubs future plans w/ the draft, but

I think the main changes/additions to our team should come through transactions and free agency. For Instance, the PG position should not be addressed through the draft. IMO a large dip in production for last year was simply the absence of a true PG that could make the players around him better. Forget about Baron Davis, the Warriors didnt produce because they didn’t have a player like him that could distribute the ball and make the players around him better.
This offseason, I would suggest one of a few different scenarios:
Andre Miller- unrestricted free agent, and is solid. By no stretch of the imagination is he a world-beater, but he is consistent and can run a team. Otherwise there are a few PGs out there that given their current situations may be expendable: Rafer Alston (one yr left- will have to compete with Jameer Nelson in ORL) and either Jarrett Jack or TJ Ford in Indi (neither got a long with each other- I guarantee one will be elsewhere before the start of the season).

Having said all that, IMO the draft is there for the BPA- hence this fabulous write-up with the multitude of options. I like James Harden or Derozean (assuming we don’t make a play for Rubio). We do have a glut of swingmen, but its not a bad problem to have when they produce.

I think the current roster we have will all greatly benefit from a PG that can distribute. We are better served for the current team going with an established player than a rookie. Should we have the benefit of good health next year, I think Randolph, Wright, Turiaf and Biedrins can suffice in the front court (add one more role player in Free Agency too).

by bonbrillio on May 24, 2009 12:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

IMO a large dip in production for last year was simply the absence of a true PG

You’re ignoring the injuries. For one reason or another, we had more injuries to starters this year than last by a long shot. Last year BD and Monta played 82 games.

This year:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=gsw

Last year:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=gsw&seasonYear=2008&season=2&sort=pts&order=true&avg=pg&split=0

Last year, our top 6 players on a per minute basis (BD, Monta, Jax, TMNT, Dris, Kelenna) missed a combined 18 games (some didn’t start all of the games in which they played).
This year top 6 (Monta, Jax, Dris, Kelenna, Maggette, JC/TMNT-15) missed a combined 152 games. And that’s not even counting the fact that we lost BWright for basically the second half of the season and Belinelli for a few weeks.

For whatever reason, we didn’t have our top players for 152/492 player-games this season and only 18/492. That’s a big, big difference and a big handicap. Can we expect to go back to an injury situation where our top 6 plays 95% of the time? No. Can we hope for >60% of the time, I sure hope so. You take Big Z, Mo Williams, Delonte West, Andy V, and LeBron away from Cleveland two at a time for the duration of the season, and they’re a 6 seed instead of a runaway #1 seed.

That being said, is the team perfect by any means? No. Do we have a lot of talent on the team? Yes, but not that much and we don’t have a singular “go to” talent that the top teams seem to have. Is this team getting older and more injury prone? Yes, but not to the level we experienced this year.

We need BPA, we need more talent, and we need to find a way to make Jamal opt out. Those are the Warriors needs. If we there are trades that either:

1) acquire better talent
or
2) free up some cap space to add better talent through free agency

We should make any and all effort to do so. Anything less would be uncivilized.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 26, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't ignoring the injuries,

Tho you’re right injuries were a major factor. I feel as tho every team sustains injuries and it no longer is a viable excuse when most teams lose key players. As far as I’m concerned the season ended the day Monta went on his moped (ducati?). Appreciate the links tho.

The fact remains that this team, even while healthy was a step down from the Warriors the previous two seasons. Where we agree is more talent is needed, PERIOD. For the team’s benefit I would love it if Jamal opted out- don’t see it happening given the state of the economy. IMO, the biggest and quickest fix that can be made is to bring in an experienced PG.

by bonbrillio on May 26, 2009 7:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel as tho every team sustains injuries and it no longer is a viable excuse when most teams lose key players.

This is true. However,

IMO a large dip in production for last year was simply the absence of a true PG that could make the players around him better.

This is what you said. In 07-08, our top 6 played in 95% of the games, in 08-09, that dropped to 65%. That is the difference between those two samples.

In general, yes, every team has injuries. Our 07-08 team was uncharacteristically healthy. Our 08-09 team was the opposite. There, of course, were other mitigating factors, but I firmly believe that the significant injuries (whether or not it can be expected for Maggette and Jax to play 82 games a season at their age and injury history) we sustained this last season was the major difference between a 35-45 win team (still would have been 10th in the West, ironically) and the 29 win team we had. We have needs, certainly.

even while healthy was a step down from the Warriors the previous two seasons.

Were we ever healthy? It could be argued that Monta’s first 10 games back were close, during which we played a bunch of quality teams and came out with a 0.500 record, or just about even with “We Believe.” However, we were still missing Brandan and Marco at that point, and Randolph hadn’t really started to perform. The outlook for this coming season, even with no roster changes, should be at least that level of performance, if not a little bit better due to Randolph being really, really good. But, who knows what will be gained or lost during the offseason.

I’d love to see Jamal opt out and I’d love to see Monta show what he can do with a training camp and a few months at PG. We can see about moving JC’s “semi-expiring” contract for a PG at the trade deadline or something if that experiment doesn’t work out.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 27, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep watching the videotapes

after all, the coach is basing his opinion mostly from doing that. Does anyone know if nelson is coming out for the workouts and scrimmages next week?

the college measurements are predictably unreliable because they measure the guys wearing shoes, so it’s safe to deduct about two inches from heights. the video tape tells more about how a player uses what height and reach he possesses, of course—rubio for example looked maybe 6’3 and very skinny, but he was active and showed he understood team d on that end of the floor. the woe-yr perimeter d is terrible because the vets other than Jackson and Azubuike at the guard/wing order their priorities 1)scoring 1b)scoring 2)rebounding 4)defense? often just hand waving and watching, so if a new player already tends in that direction, he’ll become worse. And neither of those two can really cover the quicker guards—who get their paycheck because they can beat most man-to-man match ups. I’d be partial to someone who wasn’t a great scorer, but smart and efficient on both ends.

by the.monk on May 28, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We need a PG

we need one badly. If we get a good one, Ellis can play his position (SG) where he can preform much better

by r8er.4.life on May 28, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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