Jennings @ #7... YES!!! According to Chad Ford
by mcwalter44 on May 20, 2009 10:00 AM PDT
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Printfter the lottery show ESPN's Chad Frod released his Mock Draft (1.0) and with in it he had the Warriors selecting Brandon Jennings PG from Lottomatica Roma.
Drafting Jennings would be a swing for the fences by a team lacking a traditional point guard. He wasn't great in Italy this year, but he has all the raw tools to be a terrific backcourt mate for Monta Ellis for years to come. - Ford
As we all know, Jennings has been toilling away over in Europe playing a limited number of minutes and in recent weeks riding the pine during Lottomatica Roma's playoff run. For those interested, Draft Express has a stats page on Jennings with his numbers from Europe.
In 27 games he's averaging: 17 mins, 5.5 PPG, 1.2 REB, 2.3 AST, 2.1 STL, 1.5 TO
Not quite the stellar numbers you'd expect. However, the guys is a very gifted passer and as DX reported he's matured tremendously over the course of the season for Roma. For my book seeing is believing when it comes to NBA prospects and since there aren't any great statistical metrics on measuring guys stats from Europe then, I guess this is the best we have go on
Here's a clip with Jennings (#11) in white
Here's a clip of Jennings in red
Here's a sweet clip (horrible quality) of Jennings driving baseline
Finally, here's a clip of Rubio and Jennings from their SLAM cover shoot
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Those are not good videos...
Dude can’t finish in traffic and likes to fade on his jump shot.
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um...
The idea was that these were video of how he was playing… only one of them was dubbed as a sweet clip. Oh well, at least now we can make some semi-informed observation.
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I don't care about the video's, look at his stats.
Even if he was to be good in the NBA, it wouldn’t be for a while. Those are some wack stats, especially for the Italian League
Oh man please don't draft tJennings... dude is a bust.
BUST
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bust and terrible defender...and small!
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I dont think he'll last ot 7
Hard time seeing kings pass on him
For same reason FLAwless mentioned...
Lack of a consistent jumper and difficulty finishing inside. That said, in Europe you can foul that crap out of someone and not have it called. In that there is a lot body bumping that’s usually a foul in the NBA that is a no call in Europe.
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How many times had Ellis or Wade finished with a body bump?
He’ll get foul calls because he can get to the rim at will (even with the hand checking ) but finishing inside is one of those skills like dribbling that is very difficult to improve once in the NBA.
A PG who can’t finish or make a jump shot is practically worthless… he’d basically be Seabstian Telfair.
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I dont by that.
1 His lane finishing isnt as bad as you claim but hes also 18 in these videos! Look at him finish against ocmpetition his own age its great. Then he’s thrust against much stronger men and its worse. This is something that will adapt after playing in nba a while. Monta couldnt finish in traffic when he was a rookie/second year guy the way he did 3rd year. Same goes for tony parker and alot of other skinny guys. I will admit there is no garentee he’ll learn but theres a very good chance.
He does have great vision and passing when penetrating the lane, and theres more something you cant teach.
I'm sorry but Monta could always finish in traffic...
When I first got to see Monta play that was one of his strengths that jumped out right away and he was a year out of high school as well.
Jennings takes it soft to the rim and that’s why he can’t finish. If he’s getting swatted left and right by Euroleague players how do you expect him to fare against NAB level athletic talent?
He’ll never be a player who attacks the rim…. if he becomes a prolific finisher he’ll have to do it a la Parker with floaters.
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his mechanics are atrocious. that jump shot is shawn marion ugly. maybe a year in college with a coach who would have worked on those things would have helped him out. there was a hell of a lot of missing going on in those clips. i’ve reverted to being entirely on the fence about the guy. just when i was getting close to talking myself into him, too.
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jumpshot
his jumpshot isn’t horrible. he gets good spin on the ball and very good arc. his release is good, fairly quick and high. in addition to his quickness and leaping ability it makes it easy for him to get his shots off over taller defenders.
however, the reason why it might look ugly is because he has tracy mcgrady syndrome. he fades and kicks a leg out at the end which i am sure is not good for his percentages. i doubt a year in college would have helped him and europe was actually probably better for a flashy player like himself. he was forced to be more team oriented. in college, especially at Arizona, he would be a star on a team that had an interim coach. he would probably score a lot, have a lot more hype and better highlight videos but would be no better than he was in high school.
by gogoldenbears on May 20, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
the t-mac syndrome is what i was talking about and the reason i said that college might have helped him (though admittedly, i have no idea if this is accurate) is that he’d have a coach dedicated to improving his game in particular. as a star player at a college program, he’d get that kind of attention. as the 8th man or whatever on a euroleague team who knows he’s leaving after the year, he’s much less likely to have anyone on the staff care that much. i don’t know, that’s all speculation, but it seems like no euroleague coach will waste time working on shooting mechanics with a bench player when he knows that guy’s gone after one season. a college coach is more likely to do that.
outside of that, i agree totally. the stress on the team game in europe was probably great for him and probably helped to make him an even better playmaker, which is the one thing that i’m really excited about with his game. if he can set up his teammates well and run the break successfully, he should at least prove to be a solid pass first backup point, which is something this team could use. i just hope he learns to actually make some of those ugly jumpers once he gets to the nba, because the percentages were not kind to him in europe. if he fires up the same percentage of bricks in the nba, it’s safe to say he’ll never come close to living up to the hype.
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baron davis-like
was that post supposed to get us excited about him because i think it did the opposite for everyone
i mean yeah he can’t really finish in traffic like baron at this point because he has a weak frame but he has baron like skills, traits and tendencies for better or worse. he will make a beautiful pass once in awhile and has good court vision. he can get to the rim at will, even though he can’t finish. the one play where he jab-steps 3 times and then takes a fadeaway 3 reminds exactly of baron and the warriors. naturally he misses and the long rebound goes to TAU who finishes with a dunk going the other way on the fast break.
i think he will be better in the nba than in the euroleague. the euroleague concentrates much more on the post game and getting points inside. guards have really specific roles and aren’t allowed much freedom. hand-checking is also allowed over there. he seems to have matured and will be toughened up and ready to play a team game when hes back in the NBA.
that said, like many have said before—he likely won’t get past 4 to the kings (who were screwed horribly). on a team that couldn’t score (outside of kevin martin) after the trade (granted they couldn’t defend anyone either), thabeet isn’t a huge upgrade over hawes. hill isn’t a huge upgrade over thompson. 3 is set with nocioni and they won’t reach for clark or johnson. kevin martin is set at the 2 which eliminates james hardin. they are in need of a huge upgrade at the PG with udrich. basically, there is little chance he gets past SAC who are in huge need of a point guard and jennings is probably the second best outside of rubio. they could reach for derozan if they see him as a 3, but players like holiday, evans and everyone else would be huge reaches at 4.
basically, we won’t have to concern ourselves with taking jennings. he won’t be there.
but he is also very good with penetrating into the lane and finding an open man
he should be good on the pick and roll
by gogoldenbears on May 20, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
a player who can do these things well
makes limited bigs MUCH better. AB can cut and dunk, not much else offensively, if he had a pg who gets in lane and dishes well, he’s much more effective
jennings if we got him
would be a backup pg for monta atleast his first year. Depending on his developement we could trade monta if he looks like an ace in the whole giving us am ore true pg. I really dont see anyway we can play both together for consistent minutes.
That bieng said ouside of griffin and a few midfirst rounders there r few players who could probably log 30 mpg immediately. Those mid first rounders i mean are like terrance williams, sam young etc, but they all have limited upside and project as role players anyway.
Stats
Seriously? This guy is sitting on the bench in Italy, and his stats are awful. Marco was a superstar in Italy. WTF? Complete BUST.
Rubio had worse stats than Jennings
And some stats in the Euroleague are deflated when compared to the NBA because the systems they run.
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
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did he
airball in the second video lol
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by carlitofresh21 on May 20, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions
People dog on him for not tearing it up in the Italian league
But why doesn’t he get the exact same pass for being a rookie and having rookie mistakes as every single other rookie in the NBA? It seems like people think that cause he’s in the Euro league and he’s American he supposed to be running that place even though he’s a 19 year old rookie. Having said all that, I’d rather have Tyreke Evans.
If there's one thing I trust Don Nelson on ...
… it’s evaluating guard talent.
The guy has a history of identifying guards other teams have undervalued. Sarunas, Tim Hardaway, Latrell Sprewell – guys who could contribute at an NBA level who were much better than some of the guys taken ahead of them.
(He’s been much less successful at picking big men).
So even though I’m souring on Nellie, I’m not going to second-guess his guard picks. If he looks at Jennings’ play, and decides he can be an NBA starter, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. If he decides to pass on Jennings, I’ll accept that he knows better.
One has to assume ...
… that he’ll be making the final decisions. Riley’s his boy. He may not be doing all the scouting, but he’ll be looking at the tapes, making the ultimate decision.
That was the whole point of forcing Mullin out.
ill say it again...
HOLIDAY!
defense, vision, size….CAN PLAY ALONG SIDE MONTA, unlike jennings…
our weakest link in defense has been dribble penetration by the opposing point guards…killing our defensive rebounding ability (our bigs have to rotate to help defend the PG) and also killing our perimiter defense (our guys have to move in)
holiday is an excellent man to man defender….and would instantly help our defensive situation
btw…for those of you that think hes a SG…hes not….he played PG in high school, went to UCLA to play point guard cuz they thought collison was going into the draft last year…so he was forced to play out of position all year….also hes not fit to play in a low pace team (UCLA = the clippers)…and would be great as a warrior in an up tempo team at the point….
DEFENSE! for once we can have an excellent man to man defending point guard…dont pass it up!
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by LostHawk on May 20, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1000000
Rowell/Cohan are you reading this???
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by misterjennings on May 20, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He shouldn’t be “tearing up the Italian league”. He’s a year removed from high school playing against very good competition – guys that are older than him and are allowed to be a lot more physical on defense on the perimeter than in the NBA. He was also on a very good team with good guards and no incentive to play him since they knew he was leaving after a year.
Jennings is the real deal. He’s got skills, and he’s got Parker/Rondo/Paul type quickness. I’ve seen him play and he shot well when I saw him, but from reading scouting reports he has a lot of room to improve in that area. He probably will need a decent amount of time to learn to play PG effectively, too. The Warriors aren’t competing for a championship next year, though, so they can afford to give that to him. As for him backing up Monta at PG…Monta isn’t a PG. We wish he was, but he isn’t. Sorry.
I have concerns about Jennings work ethic and attitude, but knowledgeable people like Chad Ford seem to be fairly high on that side of him. The bottom line is the guy isn’t going to be a bust – the people that think he will be don’t realize just how quick he is. Does he turn into the best PG in the NBA? I dunno, but he’ll at least be able to contribute, and has that potential, so he’s worth a very serious look if he’s around at #7.
Marco was playing in the Italian League at 16.
He was considered one of the better players by 19. Jennings is on the bench. Plus he’s too small to play with Monta. Even Baron wasn’t big enough. We have Jack and Marco. They both have handles, passing skill. and the size to guard a SG. Monta is our PG, we either need to go with Jack or Marco. A rookie probably won’t play. But if we’re looking for a rookie to come in and play alongside Monta right away, Harden and Evans are better picks. But none of this matters because we’ll still have Monta, Jamal, Jack, Marco, and A-Mo, with Nellie coaching; it’ll be hard for any rookie to get pt
not that i want the W’s to draft Jennings, but these are Marco’s stats at age 19
2004/05 EURO Fortitudo Bologna
GP Min Pts FG% 3P% FT% Off Def Reb AstsStls BlksTOs PFs
20 14.9 4.2 49.2 36.7 68.8 0.6 0.7 1.2 1.1 0.5 0.1 0.6 1.9
2004/05 ITALIAN Fortitudo Pallacanestro Bologna
GP Min Pts FG% 3P% FT% Off Def Reb AstsStls BlksTOs PFs
44 17.7 6.7 46.7 40.2 79.4 0.4 0.5 0.9 0.6 1.0 0.0 0.8 1.9
i find it hard to believe that a guy averaging around 4.2-6.7 pts, around 1 reb & less than 1 assist per game
was considered one of the better players by 19.outside of the shootings stats, Jennings is superior to Marco in virtually all stats. and Jennings had to adjust to a new country with a language he probably doesn’t speak with rules that are slightly different than what he was used to over here.
Jennings is on the bench.
i’m going to go out on a limb here and say at 15-18 minutes per game, Marco was also a bench player at age 19.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marco-Belinelli-198/stats/
by the evil monkey on May 21, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s a lefty! That clinches it! The Warrior’s master plan of collecting the most left handed players will be that much more complete!
We do need a replacement for Marcus Williams...
PG Jennings
SG Ginobili
SF Randolph
PF Bosh
C Biedrins
--
Bench: Tayshaun, BWright, DFish, Mullin
FTW!!!
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on May 20, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
i wouldnt want
DFIsh even for free…
i hate that fool
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by LostHawk on May 20, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
jennings is no better than CJ Watson
why bother trading for a potential bust when we have a serviceable guy with nba experience? We are better off drafting the most talented player left at #7 regardless of position and seeing how the market values him.
If Jennings makes it to #7
He may well be the BPA there. The principal argument against him seems to be that he’s too small to play with Monta — the antithesis of a “BPA” approach.
Personally I prefer the idea of a guy with a clear NBA position and obviously rare skills (freakish speed, passing, and handles, e.g.) to guys like Evans, Clark, and Mullens, whose main selling point seems to be their “intriguing size.”
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on May 20, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed.
Jennings’ quickness in the NBA should kill.
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his quickness
in the Euroleague should have earned him more PT…
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by misterjennings on May 20, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Euroleague
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Jennings and Watson aren’t even in the same stratosphere. Jennings has elite quickness for NBA players. Watson? D-leaguer.
by Missing Barry on May 21, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
potential!?
lets hope we roll the dice and pick jennings based on his potential. paid off with randolph – superstar or bust. i doubt riley is gonna take a pick based on an undersized, pg with loads of potential tho. too scurry of a first move.
Jrue Holiday > Jennings
Jennings hasn’t shown that he’s any better in Euroball.. Holiday at least has better size to pair with Monta and has proven to be a much more willing defender than Jennings. The only thing Jennings might have more of is flashiness.
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jennings
was proving that he sucked in the pros
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That’s such a ridiculously false thing to say. All he was “proving” was that his team (one of the best teams in Europe) didn’t want to take the time to develop him – knowing a.) he was leaving for the NBA in a year anyways and b.) they had much more experienced guards already to help them win now. The competition level is way above college ball over there, and any “freshman mistake” Jennings made got him taken out of the game. It happens, drop your obsession with his Euroleague stats.
“The only thing Jennings might have more of is flashiness.”
Or elite NBA quickness similar to what Parker/Paul/Rondo have. Look, if you prefer Holiday because he’s bigger and you like his defensive potential more, fine, but don’t undersell Jennings because of his Euroleague stats. The kid is quick as shit and a legitimate playmaker.
by Missing Barry on May 21, 2009 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I can see your point in him possessing elite NBA quickness..
I’m just concerned that he could become TJ Ford instead of TP, CP3. The knock on TJ Ford when he was in college was that he had a suspect shot and not strong enough for the NBA game. I’m reading scouting reports of Jennings and the shot and the lack of strength issues remind me of Ford. Even if you like his game, you must have similar concerns right?
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by misterjennings on May 21, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve seen Jennings play once – his shot was lights out that game, and he has a real quick release. I’ve read similar things as you have, so obviously he struggled to consistently shoot well, but what I see is the potential to develop a good shot if he works hard enough. Honestly, my biggest concerns are with his attitude on and off the court, along with his work ethic and drive to be a great player. A lot of what he’s done has struck me as a cocky, prima donna type, so I question whether he’ll work hard enough to really become good and if he cares about winning enough to truly develop into a PG that can lead a winning team. That said, reports coming out now are claiming he’s matured a lot over the last year, so I dunno.
I’m not concerned about strength, even though what I’ve read says he has a slight frame and probably can’t add that much weight, because the current style favors smaller, quicker PG’s. Not a lot of big, strong 1’s out there.
Ultimately, I wouldn’t be disappointed if we end up with Holiday. My personal opinion is it’s worth taking a chance on Jennings. The good news is the Warriors will watch a lot more tape, interview the players and watch a lot more workouts than us so they’ll have a lot more information than we do when they make this decision. The bad news is it’s the Warriors, they somehow seem to defy all odds to pull defeat out of the jaws of victory.
by Missing Barry on May 21, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
yea, I think it's gonna be Jennings or Jrue.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Most YouTube Euro Mixes
…are hella wack like these. Don’t they realize you’re only supposed to show MAKES? Why did they put hella misses on there. That’d be like making a mix of Shaq taking threes. Ooooh exciting!
Anthony Morrow's jumper is so pure, he has to cut it with baking soda.
It's more representative of how he plays
I could put together an edited “best hits” list of blog quotes from Iggy and you’d think he should have gone #1 in the GSoM blogger draft.
Either way, it’s impossible to make an unbiased youtube clip. At least the clips posted here tried.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 21, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Jennings is too high risk for Cohan
We will never pick him unless there appears to be a sign and trade on teh table. No collegiate experience, not a lot of playing time in Europe, and he has not demonstrated a consistent anything except speed. If speed was the thing that makes or breaks players then Speedy Claxton would be an all star.
I agree not drafting him could be the antithesis of picking the best player available, but he is not clearly the best player. I dont see the Warriors getting hated on for makign another selection
by warriorsvictim on May 21, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
lol
You just proved my point. He is average at best. Oh and that was in the Euro league, i can see how bad ass he would be in one of the most complex offenses in the league. His shot was so hot too! NOT
Clearly you don't know Euro basketball
The league treats young players, especially ones that I haven’t up through their academies very differently than do here in the States. First of, minutes are usually slotted no matter how well you’re doing to start the season. Just about every team does this. Second, you really have to earn your minutes via practice, so that fact that Jennings has gotten his minutes up from 5 to 6 minutes a game to start up to the 20s is a good thing. Also, to be so arrogant to think that one of top US high school kids should dominate Europe when he also has a huge culture change in life seems a bit short sided on your part. Argue all you want, but Rubio didn’t put devastatingly much better numbers than Jennings despite the Spainish and Italy leagues are fairly even in terms of talent.
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