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GSoM Group Project: Making the case for ________ at pick #7

ejdacanny has done a great job with his NBA Draft super-threads providing a lot of information on every potential pick and I think he said we should expect super-thread #3, the first since the lottery, in a few days.  However, I was thinking maybe a big group of the regulars (sleepy, DFiB, O.M, onlxn, jae-do you still count as a "regular" now that you're a mod?, cap'n, etc) could each focus on one prospect, do some research, and then in a series of separate threads over the next couple weeks, present the case for that guy as the pick at #7 to the rest of GSoM.   Right now it looks like we'll need scouting reports on:

Jrue Holiday

James Harden

Stephen Curry

Ty Lawson

Jordan Hill

DeMar DeRozan

Tyreke Evans

Brandon Jennings

Earl Clark

Jonny Flynn

Terrence Williams

Jeff Teague

Eric Maynor

James Johnson

Wayne Ellington

Obviously some of those are a whole lot more likely picks at 7 than others, but I can't really imagine anyone not on that list being the pick.  If I left off someone you feel warrants discussion, let me know.  (I can't imagine any scenario where Griffin, Rubio or Thabeet fall down to 7 or we reach for a guy like Blair, Hansbrough or Budinger and this "series" will ignore the possibility of a trade up or down )

So thats 15 guys, we need 15 people willing to join in.  If you want to join in please post a list of the top 3-5 guys you'd like to "scout."  While reading scouting reports on your guy will obviously be a big part of your presentation, ideally each of you will do a little more than just re-phrase what Chad Ford, Ian Thomsen or NBA Draft.net say about your player. I'm guessing there will be more than 14 people eager to join in this project, and I don't mean to exclude anyone but I would like to give priority to some of the regulars who I know will present thorough and well thought out cases for their guys.   Please don't take offense if you volunteer and aren't assigned someone.   Also, if you feel someone could offer a particularly strong scouting report rec their list of 3-5.  

 

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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awesome idea

here are my top choices, in no particular order:

*terrance williams
*brandon jennings (i think i might manage to change my opinion of him while i write the fanpost. this might read more like a personal odyssey than a scouting report.)
*james harden
*stephen curry

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 23, 2009 6:07 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

(i think i might manage to change my opinion of him while i write the fanpost. this might read more like a personal odyssey than a scouting report.)

Which could be a good thing. I had you penciled in for Harden, but now I don’t know. We’ll see what the other lists look like first.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 23, 2009 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll do one

my fanpost was basically a rephrasing of various draft sites, but i started to watch some tape on some of the most logical prospects at #7 and added some of what i saw to that thread. still i think you’re right we can do more in depth into each one of the prospects. we got some people who know basketball on here and it would be interesting to come to a consensus pick.

give me anybody—preferably one of harden, holiday, jennings, derozan, evans, clark

by gogoldenbears on May 23, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and yeah no offense taken if i don't get one

im usually an offseason poster and seasonlong reader dude to school… i don’t think im quite a regular

by gogoldenbears on May 23, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in my wheelhouse...

I think this is a great idea, but I’m not sure I could offer much more than regurgitating all the standard stuff from the usual draft sites. If that’s all you really want as a jumping off point for further discussion then I suppose I could do one, but I’m afraid I don’t have much to offer in the way of unique analysis when it comes to draft prospects.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 23, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think many people will offer a unique analysis, I just meant it should be an analysis of how the guy would fit here and include information form more than one or two scouting reports.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 23, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that's the case...

then I should be able to do one for whoever is left. I don’t have much of a preference. In fact it would probably be better for me to do one of the guys I’ve seen less of because at least I’ll educate myself on him. I’ll wait and see who everyone else wants to do and I’ll pick up the scraps.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 23, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds interesting

I’ll write about anybody (if you think I’m cool enough to be in your “regulars” country club) I guess I’d prefer Curry on the list but really anybody is fine. I just finished finals so I can pretty much go into scouting mode.

by antihero on May 23, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

if you think I’m cool enough to be in your "regulars" country club

Anyone willing to spend time on a project like this gets automatic entry into the lamest country club on the internet. Well, as long as you have at least 500 posts. ; )

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 23, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea like I said, I’m not trying to be exclusive at all, I just wanted to make sure we get people who will follow through involved.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm game

My preferences:

  • Earl Clark
  • Terrance Williams
  • James Johnson
  • Eric Maynor
  • Jeff Teague

by ffgolden on May 23, 2009 11:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks to all of you for volunteering, here's what I'm thinking so far

Since it seems we might not get 15 people after all, I figure we should start with the most likely candidates, so:

Curry-antihero
DeRozan-gogoldenbears (figured you’ve seen more pac-10 play than most)
Holiday-gsw.raiders
Jennings-Cap’n
Clark-ffgolden
Evans?-O.M. you cool with that? he seems like one of the most likely guys left

That leaves Teague, Maynor, Flynn, Lawson, Williams, Hill, Harden, Johnson, and Ellington. I’ll take whatever guy who is left seems like the most likely pick. I’d really like to at least get people for Williams, Lawson, and Harden as they seem to be names popping up for us in some mocks. I didn’t mean to scare anyone willing away with that “priority to regulars” comment, I just thought there would be a lot more interest in this and wanted to make sure that only those who would actually follow through committed. But there really is no need to be a “regular” to do this, you just have to want to.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 1:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

sounds good. i’ll do a bit more research and get that out in the next couple days. if there’s not enough people who want to do this, i’d probably be up for writing a second one too. mostly because i’m developing a mancrush on terrance williams (not at the 7, i repeat not at the 7) and would be up for talking about him. though there was a good discussion of him in an earlier post.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 24, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea if you wanna double up go for it.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure...

It might take me a while because I haven’t done too much homework on the guy yet, but I’ll get started.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 24, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll take Lawson. I realize as a UNC homer I suffer from an otherwise uncharacteristic lack of objectivity when it comes to fellow Tar Heels, but since I’ve seen him play 50+ times over the last few seasons, I think I can at least cover what he can and cannot do. I could do the same with Ellington, but honestly, the case for Ellington leaves me baffled. He has a unique ability to be a very useful player without making me ever notice him in games, even though at the end, the stat line shows that he was consistently contributing big in many aspects of the game.

by jae on May 24, 2009 10:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Whew...

I knew if I held out, I could get others to do my homework for me. ;-)

Seriously, Sam, great thread idea. The Red Sox Sons of Sam Horn chatroom (a great model for what this site could be, replete with a wiki of commonly used stats and terms, members-only forums to keep the signal-noise ratio high, minimal advertising, subfora on music, movies, politics, food, NSFW pix, etc.) uses a similar model in their “adopt a prospect” forum: posters each pick a prospect and give periodic updates (scouting and number based) on their trials and tribulations as they move up through the minors.

On topic: I share OM’s concern that anything I would add to this would be a regurgitation of stuff that’s readily available on the internets (Chad Ford, DX, nbadraft.net. etc.) I wonder if the "adopt a prospect " idea might still not be a good idea, though, once the season starts up. You could get fifteen posters to “adopt” one player each from the 15-man roster — including presumably the guy we pick at #7 — and do regular updates on areas in which they’ve progessed, regressed, or otherwise ‘gressed. The advantage here would be that we’ll all have visual/scouting evidence as well as numbers to support our reports. Anyway, something to think about as the summer league approaches. Dibs on Randolph!

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on May 24, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yea thats a great idea, count me in

you wanna take a stab at scouting Harden or are you gonna sit this one out? I understand that most information any of us gather will be from scouting reports and box scores…..I don’t really expect anyone (other than jae, who I’m sure has a library of UNC game tapes) to find game film and spend hours working on this. I just meant maybe a little analysis of why the guy might be a good fit here.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harden, huh?

You really think he’ll slip as far as 7?

How about this for a lead-in…

If Troy Hudson is any indication, the prospects for Warriors guards who share a six-letter last name beginning with H and ending with N with former Athletic aces are pretty bleak…

I’d be game, but, just to play devil’s advocate, what happens if after all this diligent work, the Ws decide to trade up or down or out of the first round?

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on May 24, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha then we’ve wasted more time thinking about the warriors….

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and no I dont really think Harden will slip to 7, but I think I’ve seen two mocks now where he does (for what thats worth) and I think there is a very unlikely, but possible, scenario where Holiday, Jennings, and Hill are picks 4-6.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m taking Hill who I think is even less likely to be available at 7

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another great idea...

Dibs on Andris. This year I started to do some pretty in depth analysis (for me anyway, nothing too impressive), comparing him to the other primary centers focussing on whatever defensive stats were available (Dreb, blk, stl, eFG%against, offReb against, PER allowed…). It fizzled out when he got injured but I had a lot of fun doing it. I was planning on following through with that next year anyway.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 24, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

would it be the worst idea ever if i claimed crawford?

either way, i totally want in on this at the start of the season. we should probably wait to claim our guys until the roster is set. if this were our final roster, i’d probably want ronny or jack. i dunno, i can’t decide this far ahead.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 26, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I wouldn’t necessarily wanna negate anybody’s dibs, but I think this project is a good one to revisit once the training camp roster is set. Perhaps whoever wants the younger guys that are in the Summer Leagues would get a head start on everyone else.

by ffgolden on May 26, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just saw this — love the idea. I haven’t been following the college game much at all in recent years, so I won’t really have many personal insights to add beyond what I read, but happy to help if that’s not an issue… happy to take any player.

(Love Sleepy’s idea, too. I CALL MORROW.)

by onlxn on May 24, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thank o-n

I’m gonna grab Jordan Hill, so take your pick of Teague, Maynor, Flynn, Johnson or whoever else you think might be a potential pick. ok so how does this look? Anyone else who wants to join in just post who you’re gonna “scout.”

Jrue Holiday-gsw.raider
James Harden-Sleepy
Stephen Curry-antihero
Ty Lawson-jae
Jordan Hill-sam23
DeMar DeRozan-gogoldenbears
Tyreke Evans-O.M.
Brandon Jennings-cap’n
Earl Clark-ffgolden
Jonny Flynn-
Terrence Williams-cap’n
Jeff Teague-
Eric Maynor-
James Johnson-
Wayne Ellington-maybe jae

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll go for Teague. Thanxmuch.

by onlxn on May 24, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I call dibs on the ‘09 draft pick for Sleepy’s idea or is it cheating to call it before we even know who it is? If so, then I call Buike. (unless, of course, Shells demands him)

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You should give first dibs to the guy/gal who writes him up for the draft.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 27, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And between moving, vacation, looking for a job, and doing my job

I won’t have any time to devote to such an endeavor. But, I still like the idea.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
R Dizzle = Wannabe AB1

by Dubs fan in Boston on May 27, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either Holiday or Jennings

Oakland Raiders Fan
Golden State Warriors Fan
San Francisco Giants Fan

by i love sports101 on May 24, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

both are taken

or are you just saying who you would like to see us take?

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of the couple names left

I’ll jump in and scout James Johnson or Jonny Flynn, or even Maynor.

I actually researched a little on Johnson already, so if no one else has started Im all over it.

by IceDubs on May 24, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yea go for it, thanks. Only Flynn and Maynor left

Thing A

by sam23 on May 24, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm intrigued by Maynor

If nobody else picks him up and I’ve got some extra time, I might be interested in doubling up.

by ffgolden on May 25, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just started workin on the one for Hill. I’m guessing cap, ffgolden, gogolden and some of the others who seem to know a lot more about the draft than me are probably way ahead. Hill’s should be done in a couple days, but I’d expect one or two to pop up before then.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 25, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sam, before this post falls off the list...

Are you planning on starting us off? Are we gonna try to do this on a schedule, or just throw them up there when we get done? Also, maybe a standardized title, e.g.: “GSoM Scouting Report: Name Here”?

by ffgolden on May 25, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yea

a standardized title sounds like a good idea. I just started reading some stuff about Hill yesterday, I’ll try to get it done that one done in the next couple days, but if anyone else gets done first go for it. A schedule would be cool, but I think it could be too difficult to make. Just get ‘em up whenever you can, I guess. And thanks for doubling up on Maynor, I don’t know much at all about him or Flynn so I was hoping somebody would pick those guys up.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 25, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hay Sam

I think in terms of process, the way this might work best is for you to ask all of the participants to email you their reports and then to consolidate them into one mega-diary, with bolded headers for the various players, that then gets recc’ed to the top. Otherwise, it will be hard to distinguish the “GSoM scouting project” diaries from the regular ones (there have already been a couple of “draft player X” diaries since you floated your idea) and nearly impossible to compare and contrast reports in a satisfying way.

Only possible drawback is that you’d have to give out your email to us weirdoes… ;-)

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on May 26, 2009 4:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea

I was kinda thinking that initially, I just didn’t want to force anyone into a deadline. But that probably is the best way to keep from getting them mixed up or lost. Send ’em to srmccall@ucdavis.edu, try to have them in by …….friday? end of next weekend? what do you guys think is a reasonable amount of time?

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

can do

should we standardize the formatting for each player too? for my other fanpost i did the pros/strengths, cons/weaknesses, boom/bust potential, fit for warriors, etc. is there a way you want us to write these? or would you prefer a straight up paragraph/essay

by gogoldenbears on May 26, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think just however you want to do it…..maybe keep it to one video max in the interest of limiting the length.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my worry is that that diary would get really long and people might tune out such a gigantic piece. maybe divide it up into a few diaries based on position? one for point guards, one for swingmen, one for bigs?

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 26, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

how about just parts I, II, and III with 5 players in each? I’ll just take the first 5 guys submitted to me, then the next 5 and then the last 5.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’m sending my jennings write up to you now. i didn’t add links to previous jennings posts, so when you format, when i mention mcwalter’s posts, you can either link to them there or i can just add the links in the comments. however you want to work it out.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 26, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea, I’ll put the links in

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two things...

1) Haven’t I already done a decent job on covering Jennings?
2) I’ll do a write up on Maynor if it’s still needed.

Great idea about having the various poster do some write-ups/scouting for us warrior fans

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on May 26, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i definitely plan on linking to your write up on jennings and will try to avoid stepping on your toes to the extent to which that is possible. at this point, my jennings “report” doesn’t read like a traditional scouting report, precisely because you already covered him in detail. that was also the reason i wanted to do two players; we’ve already heard all the “he can do this, but can’t do that” talk about him.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 26, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries, just curious

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on May 26, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally didn’t mean to step on your toes, I was just gonna say I’m sure cap will link your analysis of Jennings which was very thorough. And please do take Maynor.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's cool...

I was just wonder what it took to get a mention considering I did two write ups that I Atma been plugging in a couple of his pieces.

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on May 26, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea I get it, gogolden and ejdacanny have both done really good posts with looks at most or all the prospects too, I suggest everyone take at look at both of those while doing their individual player reports.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

actually I already told ffgolden to double up and take Maynor….. maybe you can work it out with him, hopefully one of you will do Flynn instead

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd do Flynn...

Turn’s out a friend of a friend is one of this professors. She teaches some child behavior course and as she states “it’s the underwater basket weaving course taken by most Syracuse’s athletes.”

A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.

by mcwalter44 on May 26, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's an awesome tidbit, McW

And I haven’t started on my Maynor piece yet, so you’re welcome to take him if you’d prefer. Or we could touch base after we each do our first and see who wants to do a second.

by ffgolden on May 26, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

side note

it seems like Maynor’s draft stock may be the toughest to gauge of any player in this year’s draft, I don’t know much at all about him, but I did see him going to us in at least one early mock but in a more recent one I saw him falling into the second round. I’m pretty curious to hear what you guys put together on him and Flynn.

Also that is pretty funny about Flynn in that class, here at Davis (also at UCLA from I gathered in a couple quarters there, so probably universal to all UCs) our “underwater basket weaving” for athletes is Nutrition 10… can’t wait to finally take it next fall : )

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another note

For all you scouts: Tomorrow is the first day of the Combine. I seem to remember most of the measurements and such being released on the first or second day, so you may want to hold off on sending in your report until you get those figures (or not).

by ffgolden on May 26, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Draft This!

Trade all the bottom feeders and our draft pick for a bonified NBA player that brings us points, plays defense and aids in team chemistry. Adios to CJ, Crawful, Belinelli and Davidson.

by gabezgsw on May 26, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

  1. pick, Crawford, and Belinelli probably won’t get you much

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

weird I don’t know why it put the 1 in there

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot Jermareo and CJ.

That’s gotta fetch LeBron, at least…

Seriously, gabez, I don’t disagree with the basic premise, but it’s hard to know how to respond unless you propose someone specific. Of course the guy who first pops to mind who fits all your criteria, to a tee, is the oft-discussed AK-47. He just seems like the perfect Nellieballer: set loose in the open court and the beautiful Bay Area, you wonder if he couldn’t regain his Top-15 NBA player level. Say we offer Craw, Beli, Maggs, and the #7 pick? Not a horrible haul for them, if there’s someone they like at #7…

Monta
Jack
AK-47
Randolph
Biedrins
-
Buike, Morrow, Wright, Turiaf, CJ

Starts to look like a serious, fast, athletic, tough, defensive-minded team. (I mean, defensive-minded with the notable exception of Monta/CK at the point).

I’d be sad to see all of our hard scouting work go to waste, but I’d live…

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on May 26, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really, really like that team. I’d probably start Buike at the 3 with either AK or Randolph coming off the bench just to get a little bit better perimeter shooting in the starting lineup and both AK and Randolph seem like they could excel in a “Birdman” energy role off the bench. I’d also try to milk the 20th pick out of Utah. moving up 13 spots, two pretty bad contracts and Belinelli isn’t likely to make Utah want to part with Kirilenko, but having so much money tied up in AK, Williams and one of the PFs might be even less appealing to them.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes to AK

LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.

by misterjennings on May 26, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft

Dubs should trade down in the draft and take best role player available – all tops prospects come with warts including B Grffin He is only about 6 foot 9 and cannot shoot – A Randolph would be the number 1 pick in this draft

by we suc on May 26, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dubs should trade down in the draft and take best role player available

Once again, the lack of depth in this draft is not our little secret. We won’t get much, if anything, by trading back.

A Randolph would be the number 1 pick in this draft

No he wouldn’t.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 26, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

what he said.

by jae on May 26, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recommending trading down in a vacuum is somewhat meaningless. Who wants to trade up? What will they offer to do so and what will the Warriors swap back to make it all work under the cap?

Randolph would not have been the #1 pick this year if he played the same way he did as a frosh at LSU.

by jae on May 26, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

did you see him play at the beginning of the year? if he played that way at LSU for his first couple months, he’d have played his way out of any shot at the top pick this year. my guess is that while he developed very nicely here, he would not have come along so quickly in college. he might have shown enough flashes to get himself into the 7-10 range, but would unlikely have improved enough to go higher. being a year older didn’t magically make him better; the situation he was in clearly helped that. his improvement this year doesn’t “prove” anything.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 26, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is also some sort of tendency to discount guys who do not declare the year before. If he had not improved substantially, I suspect that their would have been doubts about him, GMs thinking that if he was really that good, wouldn’t he have left after his freshman year? It’s not that this thinking is right, and if you improve substantially and dominate like Blake Griffin did it’s all out the window, but I do think that some might have questioned him nonetheless.

by jae on May 26, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You use the word “prove” in a manner that is inconsistent with what the word actually means. At LSU as a rookie, he was handed the ball and shot at will, not connecting all that often. He was all over the court so he didn’t rebound as well as he clearly can. He turned the ball over a bunch because despite his “skills” he doesn’t pass well and managed to use he ‘handles’ to dribble right into trouble. That was exactly what he was during the first half of this season too.

Would he have changed at LSU? I think it depends on whether or not the coach decided he was a big man or allowed him to perpetuate the folly of him as some sort of wing player. Given LSU’s success this season, I suspect he’d have managed to get Randolph into gear, but in 30 games (less than half an NBA season), it’s not a given (and certainly not something you have “proved”) that Randolph would have blossomed. It was only after he started playing in the interior as a 4/5 that Randolph actually started playing in a way consistent with winning games. Would that have happened at LSU? That is something we do not know. It is something that one cannot “prove”.

by jae on May 26, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

all tops prospects come with warts

actually, all top players come with warts. lebron isn’t a lights out 3 point shooter. kobe’s an aging petulant whiner, that can’t get to the basket like he used to. dwight howard has one post move: dunk. looking for a perfect player in the draft is a ridiculous idea. if it comes down to taking a player that should be great, but has flaws versus a “role player” with flaws, how do you not take the better player? griffin might not be able to shoot, but his game is more impressive than any of the role players in this draft.

and you can’t call out griffin because he can’t shoot and then say that anthony randolph would be the number one pick in this draft. it just so happens that shooting is one of randolph’s “warts” too and that he likes to shoot his bad jumper a lot more than griffin does, so it’s a bigger problem.

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by cap'n hack on May 26, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

seems to me Griffin didn't need a jump shot in college

On that point isn’t it more impressive that he was able to average 20 pts or whatever he did? What happens when if he develops a jumper? So I deem is foolish to dub him a role player.

i’m not always right but i thought durant was the best college basketball player i had ever seen, and I think griffin is the second best. We’ll see how his game translates to the pro’s. Time will tell.

To others comments AK would be sick on this team if we could keep our core players (when he’s healthy) but his salary is a killer.

by Balance on May 26, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dwight howard has one post move: dunk

Now that’s not fair. He has another move, it just doesn’t connect nearly as often. It’s called “get fouled and shoot free throws.” In all seriousness, he does have that move where he sets up outside the left block (if you’re facing the board), takes one dribble to the middle and throws up a hook/layup/ugly POS.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 27, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he doesn't need another move

his dunk move is like chun li’s special move in street fighter—unstoppable. he can average 20PPG without a single viable post move…that’s pretty impressive. i think post moves are created out of necessity. once he can no longer dunk over everyone, he’ll have to figure out another way to go.

that said, i’m trying to determine how we could have known dwight howard would have been so dominant coming out of high school. have there been any ultra athletic centers who actually have enough bulk to not get pushed out of the paint that busted? i guess kwame brown? i don’t think diop had that kind of athleticism. tyson chandler is average. andrew bynum is still unknown. is the only thing that separates dwight howard his desire to dominate? man if only i were 7’0". thats definitely something that makes the nba frustrating—when you see all these guys with incredible physical tools they don’t make use of. you know that if you were in the same position you would definitely put them to use…

by gogoldenbears on May 27, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having played a lot of street fighter in my life, I have no idea which move you are talking about.

Because no matter what it is, I’ll dragon punch your dome.

Re: Howard: His other post move, beside dunking, is the one where he tries half-heartedly to back his guy down, then jumps and throws a supersonic ball against the rim. It usually does not go in.

by markdash on May 27, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d say the biggest difference between Dwight and those other guys is that he’s roughly twice as athletic as any of them and he’s just a natural rebounder and shotblocker.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 27, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sammy...

First of all I’ve been really busy so my report on Evans is still at least a couple days away. Second, I wanted to add my two cents about how these would best be posted. Personally I think that each should be presented as it’s own Fanpost. I think that way we would have a definitive place to really have it out about each particular prospect in the comments section.

I think it might even be helpful to lay down some ground rules, like each prospect’s fanpost should be used to discuss only that prospect. I think it would be far more helpful to get everyone’s opinion on each individual player without each fanpost turning into “No way! Jrue would be way better!” “Jennings! Jennings! true point FTW!!”

I think there is still plenty of time before the draft so that we could pop one up every few days without it getting crazy. By the time the draft rolls around then we can really start debating who would be the BPA once we’ve all had a chance to weigh in on each player.

To me, I think there could end up being just as much value in the comments as there will be in the actual post and I think that would be the best way to have a good organized discussion on each player. Let me know what you think. I’d be happy to email you my post if you’d rather do it that way.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that might be easier, considering that most of us will be on different fanpost writing schedules. maybe begin each title with “GSoM Group Project” for the sake of grouping them?

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by cap'n hack on May 28, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I was thinking...

I see McWalter already got one up. I think that will be the best way to do it. I think five at a time might be a bit of an information overload.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 28, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’m not sure how pages of word documents compare to a fanpost, but i was worried that mine might be too long to group with 4 others.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 28, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can always...

create a fan post and paste your document in there and preview. You can save it there and continue to work on it without publishing it if you want.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 28, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, just checked it out. that’d be a bit much if grouped with 4 other posts. i might just have to publish it solo.

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by cap'n hack on May 28, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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