With some exceptions
Baron

Even Mike Dunleavy played better after he got traded to the Pacers.

He’s the biggest reason upon many that I’m cheering for the Magic. Him and Foyle definitly deserve playoff success. More so Foyle though.

Pietrus’ game did not seem to fit the Warriors style, he seemed to need a more disciplined system so he could focus on controlling himself.

Pietrus needs to play with a disciplined team in order to have his defense mean something. This holds true for all teams & players that, you know, actually try to play defense. This is the biggest problem with Nellie’s system. There is no accountability, there is no “strategy” other than “find the mismatch and exploit it. Oh, and Jax, just throw the ball at the basket if you feel like it.” There is no strategy, no team mind set, just pass the ball around, take advantage of mismatches, and do cool stuff on offense, and the defense is left to blow in the wind. This is one big reason the Warriors will not be able to make any huge steps forward… the other being a lack of “superstar” talent. Notice I did not say All Star, we need more than that and the award is a crock of ish.

It just seems like the Warriors are never the right situation to succeed for most players.

Yep, in the past it was an extreme lack of talent coupled with an owner that runs the organization like a business instead of a toy. Now it’s a minor lack of talent coupled with an owner that runs the organization like a buisness instead of a toy AND a “don’t worry about defense or organization” coaching policy.

Hopefully this will change. I have every confidence that Nellie can turn this team into a playoff contender next season. Getting past that will require an offense like none ever seen on an NBA court or a significant change of mindset towards actually caring about defense.

meh. Pietrus is basically the same type of player that he’s been since Nellie came in and told him to become a corner 3 pt shooter/defender. it’s the same old cliche of “not appreciating what you have until it’s gone.” the majority of fans here (and you’re right, there was a lot of MP as well as Barnes hate and clamoring for more Belli & KAz) only saw the flaws.

but there is a reason we went from being around 19 to 22 in defensive efficiency vs 28th last season even though we picked up a huge upgrade in Ronny Turiaf at the back up center position and Monta, our 2nd worst defender, was out for much of the yr. as bad as Crawford is defensively the loss of 2 of our better perimeter defenders as well as a 3rd who at times could be our worst defender, but at other times are best really hurt our perimeter d.

I never hated though

I hate France.

Then he would have done so much, much sooner. Or he would have just taken less money to play in Orlando or Miami in the 07 off season.

He grew tired of Nellie treating him like crap, giving him the “dirty jobs”, and telling him to do boring stuff on offense.

In Orlando, he’s got some glamour jobs, like often guarding the opponents best player, and has some defensive back up (from the DPOY), and his team is winning. So he’s perfectly fine with being the “6th man/defensive stopper” and camping out and hitting 3s.

no he wanted a new contract. follow the NBA long enough and you learn that is almost every players ultimate goal (the exception tends to come in aging superstars who have already earned a gazillion dollars and want to try to win a championship).

NICE!!!

but i clearly remember, there was 1 thread a week about how MP would step out of bounds or travel consistently. If he would have done that at the crunch time in these Finals, we would definitely see a thread here about how good we did by getting rid of him.

boxscore watcher. and (sheesh), it’s not like MP guards him all game.

maybe you’re right. it’s not like there writing articles on this or anything…

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=pietrus-090526

Deal with it. Kobe and LeBron travel occasionally, is that so much better than stepping out of bounds?

he has not morphed into a superstar player just because he’s no longer a Warrior.

Who has claimed this? Certainly not I. Everybody is a “role player” except for a select few players in the NBA. Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu, and Rafer Alston are all role players. You use that term like it’s a bad thing. I think it’s a GREAT thing that Mikey knows his role and does his job without trying to do things outside his abilities. If everybody knows their role, does their job, defers to teammates that are better at what needs to be done, and the team is talented enough, you’ve got a great successful team. Championship teams need role players.

Jason Caffey

honestly? players don’t get better just by leaving the warriors. they get “better” by going to crappy teams, getting more minutes and seeing their per game numbers go up, while not being any more productive. guys who leave when they are still young get better because they’re still young and getting better. it doesn’t have anything to do with nelson screwing over young players; there is next to nothing to suggest that nellie makes players worse and when they leave they get better.