Polling GSoM: Do You Still Believe?
by R Dizzle on May 27, 2009 11:14 AM PDT
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This is straight up sad...
Warriors "We Believe" fan no longer believes [Mercury News]
As if things couldn't get more shady for this organization, now even one of the most hardcore fans is finding his way out. Yes, the famous Paul Wong (didn't he do a song with Nelly?) is done with the Warriors. Just a few tidbits from the article,
Wong says he barely broke even on We Believe, and the Warriors had no interest in teaming up for 2007-08. He also says, though, that the Warriors promised not to use the slogan but went ahead anyway. He asked for some reimbursement; failing that, he wanted a thank-you from team president Robert Rowell, who sat a few feet away from where Wong paid $5,800 for two season tickets. No thank-you came. To top it off, Wong said, the Warriors told him he would be the fan of the night at the season finale in April 2008, then switched to another fan with no notice.
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Yes, I do agree that this is a weird time for this article to be surfacing the scandal involving Raymond Ridder posting on many blogs, but this is still important. Paul Wong was the HEART of "We Believe" and the fact that this man didn't get the credit or respect he deserved from the organization is straight up shady.
He also says, though, that the Warriors promised not to use the slogan but went ahead anyway.
They promised not to use the slogan again? I'm pretty sure those two words ran rampant amongst the Roaracle, the fans, T-Shirts, and the national media. True GSW fans give the man credit, but I bet if we go ask Charles Barkely where it started, he wouldn't have a clue.
To be honest, if he's about to give up...I'm having second thoughts on it all myself.
Just to continue on with some reading...
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The NBA’s Best Fans — and the Franchise that Takes Them for Granted [Fast Break]
- Polling GSoM: Are you really that surprised that PR director Raymond Ridder and the Golden State Warriors got caught "astroturfing"?
- The Death of "We Believe"
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We Got Suck x13: Previewing Your 2k8-2k9 Golden State Warriors
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Oakland Magazine Interview: We Still Believe in the East Bay
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OPEN THREAD: Game #82 - Warriors @ Trailblazers - 1 Dub. 1 Luv.
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The W Column: Unbelievable, Unforgettable, and Unstoppable Baby!
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something NEW will come next season….something BETTER….
randolph/ellis are the FUTURE!!!
WE BELIEVE IS DEAD
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawk on May 27, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FROM HERE ON OUT...
I’m drawing nothing but “Warrriors Front Office Propaganda” LOL… we are the resistance like in Terminator Salvation! Look out for shirts! Signs! Blog Posts! LOL… We’ve got nothing 2 lose!
Beyond Golden State of Design... and than some!
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by Tony.psd on May 27, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salvation was awesome
Do it dude! Imagine a shirt with Thunder or Mully going, “We are DEAD….We are ALL DEAD!”
Awesome “i’m just doing my job” shirts by the way…need to get up on that.
by DubCurse on May 27, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the infamous Paul Wong is done with the Warriors.
Haha, Sorry to hear this but Paul shouldn’t have been so naive. The Warriors are like dirt, they will still be here after Wong, Rowell ,Nellie Montay and Rudolf and whether they win or lose doesn’t matter, what matters is playin the game.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on May 27, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
he’s alive! he’s alivee! (i know it’s a missquote)
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on May 27, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thank-you came. To top it off, Wong said, the Warriors told him he would be the fan of the night at the season finale in April 2008, then switched to another fan with no notice.
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on May 27, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Woops
No thank-you came. To top it off, Wong said, the Warriors told him he would be the fan of the night at the season finale in April 2008, then switched to another fan with no notice.
Yea that part is really messed up.
However, “We Believe/I Believe” has been used for along time, way before Paul Wong and we used it. I always saw em at Giant, Shark, Athletic, Raider, and 9er games. As well as out of state teams. A ‘patent’ of 2 words seems kinda silly, but regardless the Warriors seemed like d-bag corporates and didn’t give him no recognition.
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on May 27, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of thoughts on this one....
First of all, the Warriors have been a shady organization nearly my entire life (I was born in 1991). And, if you’re just realising this now and cite that as the reason for jumping off of the bandwagon, than you’ve been horribly misconstrued. Now, I mean no disrespect towards Paul Wong, and I if I was personally snubbed as much as he was by the organization, I would probably quit being a fan too. But I somehow knew that we believe would die, and I know that we were never really going to be a championship contender. In fact, I think it would take an incredible stroke of luck for the Warriors to ever scratch the conference finals (I’m talking once every 30 years) if the current ownership group continues being who they are: money grubbing bastards.
But, have I ever been cheering for the money grubbing bastards in the office? Have I ever even cared about the people who rip off fans, year after year? No, and if I did, I wouldn’t be a fan anymore. What I like is the great fan base that this team has, the the adorable players who all seem incredibly human (from Adonal to aZubuike), the constant roster turmoil…..just, everything about it. Maybe it’s somegthing about rooting for the underdog, I don’t know. I’m sure almost everyone else cheers for it because it’s bay area basketball, but I actually have chosen this fate. I mean, I almost got a godsend when the Thunder came into my city. I’ve been to the front office several times, and I’ve talked to several of their higher ups, all very nice people. There’s fan promotions in the arena every night, and ticket prices haven’t been raised for the much anticipated next season. Now, I’m not here to praise the Thunder all day, and I know some of you even still refuse to mention the name, but I’m just trying to demonstrate that it’s basically night and day compared to the Warriors.
But I still choose to remain loyal to the Warriors. I cheer for them loud and proud at risk of injury, and I would always rather see them win. I still like everybody there more, and I just wouldn’t feel right anywhere else.
The long and short of it is, yes, “We Believe is dead.” But “Unstoppable Baby!”, man, that, that lives forever. That says it all.
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by Zorgon on May 27, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Y-E- to the S!
Amen Brother, what are you an 18 year old Reverend out of OKC?
by VERY VERY BUSY on May 27, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
saying a person has “been horribly misconstrued” is wrong. i am pretty sure you meant “been horrible misled”, “horribly deceived”, “horribly fooled”….saying a person has been misconstrued pretty much means that the person has been misinterpreted
by Rob Kurz blocks Yao Ming on May 27, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There I go
using vocabulary beyond my means. Yeah, I meant all of those other things, but I’m sure any person knows that the Warriors are shady, so if indeed they do cite that reason for jumping off of the bandwagon, then they must have been misinterpreted, because that couldn’t possibly be their reason! :-D
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by Zorgon on May 27, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok i guess it can work both ways lol
by Rob Kurz blocks Yao Ming on May 27, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost got a godsend when the Thunder came into my city.
“I’m not here to praise the Thunder all day, and I know some of you even still refuse to mention the name, but I’m just trying to demonstrate that it’s basically night and day compared to the Warriors”
Hi Z, Enjoy that show and try to teach those Thunder fans how to be “Warriors fans” in there dedication.
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on May 27, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, they'll never be Warriors fans....
they’re just a bunch of loud and “rowdy” OU fans. Warriors fans are much more loyal. When the Thunder start truly sucking, the OKC fans will just go back to football. Warriors fans are much better, and I look forward to the day I actually get to live among them.
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by Zorgon on May 27, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respect your stance and you have a healthy attitude...
but being born in 1991, the wounds are a little less painful…you were 3 years old during the C-Webb heartbreak,…4 during the Joe Smith botched draft…..5 during Fuller over Kobe…7 during Foyle over Mcgrady, and I’m pretty sure you were more concerned with pogs and snap bracelets than Dave Twardzik.
We put up with over a decade of suck from this ownership. We came out in droves every year. We gave Cohan and his henchman the benefit of doubt every year and blamed other things such as bad luck before calling for their heads. There was an underlying feeling that this franchise was horrible and making pitiful mistakes yet once we catch a string of luck, a good trade here, a good draft pick there and make the playoffs, Warriors management would value a playoff team and hold onto it for dear life.
With Baron Davis, Biedrins, and Monta we had the string of luck/good trades/good draft picks that we had waited for for so long, but we were wrong about management caring and holding onto a promising/winning squad for dear life.
I’m sorry, but I am not content with being the lovable losers or wacky warriors. I want a winning franchise. I want to have reason to party/drink/hang out at the Oracle for a few weeks every April/May. I want to see the dubs on ESPN. I want to hear Marv Albert screaming “YES”, after an Anthony Randolph coast to coast Block/Windmill. I want to read about Monta’s P.E.R during the playoffs. I want to be excited to watch a playoff game for a reason other than I have a bet riding on it.
I have never been the one to look for negativity or be more concerned with management more than the ball team I love, but when ownership is making it hard to root for your home team, the team you grew up as a kid loving, the team you decided to stay home and not go out for Halloween because you were excited about watching newly acquired Jim Jackson suit up for your last place squad, a line must be drawn. Enough is Enough. We should not settle. We deserve better. The movement must begin.
by www.FireBobby.com on May 27, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also resepct your opinion
and do believe that, hey, maybe I’ll be in the same place as you in 5 years. I never really started following the Warriors until Foyles first year (97-98), and then only very lightly. I never started hardcore following them until 05-06. And, I do agree that I’d prefer championship contending Warriors to 20-30 win Warriors any day. But, I’m not paying the Warriors any money, so I’m not in the same position as everybody else. I’ll continue watching them on league pass and occasionally buying a jersey, but that’s about it. I think that if this year doesn’t turn out well, it might finally be the year where people rise up and the Warriors cease to be profitable. But, not all fans are that smart. Some will come just to see someone like Jason Richardson or Monta Ellis dunk the ball. So…it’s an unsure bridge. No matter what the hard core fans do, there might always be the bandwagoners who come to the games and keep the current ownership group in power….
In any case, I’m all for it. Let’s rise up!
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by Zorgon on May 28, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m in the minority. I still believe. Call me optomistic, but I love our young core.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on May 27, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm optimistic as well
But the “We Believe” era is truly dead. We’re in a new one and it needs a new name.
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on May 27, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
How about:
We’re Back!
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on May 27, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cant see the image, is it the dinosaur book?
Thing A
by sam23 on May 27, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea LOL
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on May 27, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good stuff, thats a great book
Thing A
by sam23 on May 27, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was
we suck…
credit tony.psd
by gogoldenbears on May 27, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
'we believe' is so 2007
‘we believe’ will forever be associated with the 2007 post-indiana trade team (the most memorable and perhaps best team of my lifetime). trying to extend the ‘we believe’ sensation beyond that is really shortchanging how special that team was to the bay area. i’m 50-50 on if ‘we believe’ even applied to the post j-rich team. maybe its a tribute to how great that team was… perhaps its a reminder of how poor our other teams of the last 15-20 years have been. regardless, to do that postseason team and the movement justice, ‘we believe’ should only apply to that team.
re: paul wong. that’s just sad. i’ve read conflicting reports on whether he actually wanted reimbursement for his little operation. some say that he flip-flopped and changed his mind afterward. regardless of the money issue, paul wong was a true warrior diehard—like many of us. he was a season ticket holder who started something great—something amazing—back in the spring of 2007. unfortunately, i was on the east coast for school so i didn’t get to see the full effect. still, even over there i could sense the magnitude of ‘we believe’. when i came back in time for the utah series, i could definitely feel it. the entire bay area was caught up in the team—they were a genuine underdog you couldn’t help but root for. it captured the imagination of a region, a state and even the nation. that’s something you almost never see in something as ‘trivial’ as sports and i’ll remember that for the rest of my life. while paul wong is definitely not the sole reason for that phenomenon, he was perhaps the most visible visionary. while others may have thought it, he took the initiative and made shirts and signs. he was there long before the “tipping point” (Malcolm Gladwell’s famed term). for that, at the very least, paul wong deserves some recognition from the organization. sure, he got his 15 minutes through the media, who hyped his restaurant, etc. still, for something so powerful that had so many people buzzing about the team that spring and also the following season, the organization owes him some respect.
i can get over the reimbursement/money issue, as should he. however, the fact that he was strong armed by the warriors after sending a letter to rowell (they acknowledged receipt of the letter but still haven’t responded???) and not receiving a thank you is shameful. being replaced as fan of the night—just one inconsequential night—is downright ridiculous, disrespectful and cold.
how an unbelievably poorly managed franchise has such a loyal fanbase is crazy. i don’t think any other franchise in all sports is as dedicated to a team. i’m willing to go out on a limb and say even european soccer fans would not be as dedicated to their clubs if they had 2 winning seasons and 1 playoff season in over 15 years. it is no secret at all that warrior fans deserve more. if the treatment of pall wong is any indicator, management is doing anything and everything imaginable to defeat its (so far) unwavering fanbase. i am truly sickened and saddened…
by gogoldenbears on May 27, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
that said
i’ll never stop being a fan… i don’t think its possible not to be a fan. who wants to be a fan of a perennial winner anyway… overrated. plus i’m not really a fan of reality tv so i guess the warriors fill that void too…
by gogoldenbears on May 27, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who wants to be a fan of a perennial winner? Umm… i do.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou. "He has some bat speed and the ball comes off the bat pretty well" - K.Law.
by BrianBokake on May 27, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon my trip into the sarchasm but it seems like people genuinely have that attitude around here. It’s completely beyond me how there hasn’t been more direct action by the fans against warriors ownership.
Rafael Rodriguez: Your number 8 organizational prospect before stepping a foot on American soil and has "looked just super so far," according to Felipe Alou. "He has some bat speed and the ball comes off the bat pretty well" - K.Law.
by BrianBokake on May 28, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could say that I’m am sick of the BS of how management treats us fans, I could say how I’m going to swear off the Warriors, I could say I will not support them financially in anyway possible, but alas, I am weak willed and I know that I love this team too much to pull away from them just like that and I know even though I tell myself not to go to any games next season, I will probably end up going to 10-15 games next season and buy hella food/merchandise…sometimes, I hate how I irrationally love this team…
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on May 27, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Not that I’m supporting management or anything because they certainly screwed him over when they should have been embracing him. But if I recall correctly, didn’t they send him to Utah with his We Believe stuff for one of the games in that series? Seems like a nice gesture.
by Fantasy Junkie on May 27, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I knew it!
You’re Rowell!
We still believe!!
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by R Dizzle on May 27, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSoM has made it!...
at least now we know that this blog’s importance is up there with warriorworld. perhaps even more so if FJ managed to infiltrate the GSoM crew ; )
by gogoldenbears on May 27, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
does it make me less of a fan if I had never heard of warriorworld until that silly excuse for a controversy broke out?
Thing A
by sam23 on May 27, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk i'd heard of it
but it never appealed to me. fans of the warriors facebook page are hating on GSoM in favor of warriorworld…
by gogoldenbears on May 28, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
@ Zorgon
Yo Zorg…I’ve read your posts through the years and I like your energy. I understand your POV on this, and it’s fine….
BUT
The OKC Thunder ownership group manipulated their way into getting the team out of Seattle where it rightfully belongs, and for that they are as bad if not worse than the Warriors brass.
Would rather that you not say it’s night and day between the two franchises…you give the Thunder too much props for the crooked twerps they really are.
Just ask a former Sonics fan what they think….
I’m not from Seattle, and not a Sonics fan, but right is right and what Clay Bennett did to Seattle was just wrong!
by GeeEssDub on May 27, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Haha
“Crooked twerps.” Love it.
Actually, that’s about the nicest thing you can call the “Thunder” management group. (I can’t write that ridiculous team name without quotes).
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on May 27, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I guess I should explain myself....
Yes, what Clay Bennett did to Seattle is wrong. It’s wrong, wrong, wrong.
But do you obviously believe that he bought the team to Oklahoma City solely for profit? If he wanted to just make money, he could have easily just kept the team in Seattle, or moved it elsewhere. He moved the team to Oklahoma City because he wants the city to have professional sports. He wants to see the team and the city succeed. I know this because he’s been at the forefront of the Oklahoma City sports scene for years….including getting the junior Olympics here in ‘89 or so. Now, would I hang out with this guy? Would I like him personally? No, he’s just like any other rich guy, who is in a old boys group of horrible Oklahoma City Republicans, and probably a bigot.
But, the main difference here is that the team isn’t created for the express purpose of screwing the people out of their money while putting out a mediocre product. I mean, Warriors tickets are expensive, and I think I had to pay like 4.50 for a 20oz Dr.Pepper. That’s highway robbery! Sure, it’s 3.00 at the Thunder games, but you could buy a refillable fountain drink for less. Say what you want, but the Thunder are actually committed to making a winning team. On top of that, the players are there, out in the open for everyone to see at season ticket holder parties, going to schools with read to achieve, and the like. Sure, the team may boast about itself a little too much (see Brian Davis). But at the end of the day, all Chris Cohan cares about are dollars in his pocket. The Thunder, and probably Clay Bennett, actually care about giving a great fan experience and winning. They take fan suggestions and actually implement them into the product.
But, that being said, if I lived in Seattle, I’d be pretty pissed. I completely understand where MCWalter is coming from, and where I would be in the same situation. And I’d probably be saying, “Yeah, when the fans stop coming in a few years and Clay Bennett moves the team to Kansas City, you’ll know how I feel.” But the team is here, and I’m here to enjoy it for as long as I can. The whole city is behind it, and the whole organization has impressed me with what they’ve done at every single corner. I can even say that it’s a very significant improvement over what the Hornets did. And then when the team is gone, I can put a curse on them as well.
Anyway, bottom line is that the Thunder organization, at least to the people in Oklahoma City, is a lot, lot nicer than the Warriors organization is. I can say that with full confidence having followed both teams. If I had to make an analogy, I’d think of the Thunder as a honest town doctor who left a run down town, leaving them with no doctor and lots of sick people, but helping out another town which also had no doctor. Think of the Warriors as the doctor who stayed in the bad town, but charged them up the ass because they were the only doctor in town. Wait, that was a horrible analogy. Just forget it.
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by Zorgon on May 27, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better Anology
It’s like a family. Mom’s the city, Dad’s the owner, the kids are the fans.
In Seattle/OKC mess, Dad decides he’s had enough of mom files for divorce, wins the court ball only owing alimony to mom (that would be Bennet’s 45 million moving fee).
In Golden State mess, Dad decides to hoard money from the family, the kids know he’s doing it, but because Mom is to afraid or oblivious to what’s going on around her. In the end the kids suffer and Dad reeks the rewards of horrid his finances.
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
by mcwalter44 on May 27, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They are nice to…Oklahoma City…who they feel it is important to be nice to? And that makes them better?
The Warriors are nice to…the people that invest in them, and the people that influence their profits….in other words…who they feel it is important to be nice to.
I can’t objectively say that one line of thinking is more moral, can you?
by belilaugh on May 27, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point.
And, I’ll admit, I don’t have a good response to it. But, my basketball following doesn’t really follow philosophy….I have enough sectors of my life governed by philosophy and logic. Basketball is a good place for me to be illogical. And, on a personal level, I’ve felt a whole lot more love from the Thunder to their fans than from the Warriors to their fans (management wise). It’s hard to prove this point, since there’s only a handful of people (Golden Boy being one of them) who are duel Warriors/Thunder fans. But I guarantee if you came down here, once you got over the smell of cow dung and bible bashers (it’s a joke, a joke….), you’d feel the love and energy that the Thunder are putting out that I certainly haven’t felt from the Warriors while I’ve followed them or felt when I visited Oakland. But, I was only there once and a lot of my Warriors following comes from the TV, internet, and hearsay, so it could just be due to the fact that I haven’t seen enough of the Warriors. Or it could be due to the that basketball is the only show in town here, so people are a lot more in tune to it, while in the Bay Area, there’s lots of other sports to follow.
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by Zorgon on May 28, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He moved the team to Oklahoma City because he wants the city to have professional sports. He wants to see the team and the city succeed.
Haha, Hey Z, I wouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth, but I seriously would like to know what’s wrong with Bennett. Who in their right mind would choose living in Oklahoma over living in Seattle if they had his bucks? I mean this guy could afford to move all his family and all his friends and anything else he liked about Oklahoma to Seattle with him :>) He must not understand the fundamentals of weather?
Now wheres the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers?
I noticed there's so many of them
and there's really not that many of us.
by Skeptic con Urquell on May 27, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly have no idea
probably due to the fact that he’s a big honcho in the energy corporations down here, and his wife is part of the Gaylord empire which owns all of the newspapers. He doesn’t have that kind of stake in Seattle.
Believe me…once I can, I’m hightailing it out of here.
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by Zorgon on May 28, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mcwalter44's response
is a prime example of my point….it’s just messed up what happened in Seattle.
BTW – David Stern is also to blame for that situation
by GeeEssDub on May 27, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We Don't Believe
In the people who run the warriors. As for the players, there is plenty to believe in.
It’s time for the organization to stand up.
Perhaps by starting with buying out nellie and getting a new coach.
by mosdl on May 27, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if I lived in OKC
I would root for the Thunder too…any chance to see Durant on a regular basis. He’s awesome. But don’t get too warm and fuzzy about the ownership group, that’s all….
by GeeEssDub on May 27, 2009 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But at the same time, we don’t know if he’s telling the truth. Or maybe the Warriors did one of those things to him and he added the rest to make it sound worse than it was.
Right now it’s all he said she said talk, I need something more concrete.
by belilaugh on May 27, 2009 3:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
i am sure Paul Wong is an season ticket holder.
Seriously belilaugh? what exactly does Paul seek to gain from this? It’s not like he became a fan during 2007… hes been buying season tickets for years. What has he gotten in return? a snub from the organazation and a inferior product.
All season ticket holder should feel like him.
by saintdee on May 27, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying it is likely he is lying, but I haven’t seen enough proof to decide that he is telling the truth. This is the first I’ve heard about any of this, so if I was keeping score, that would be one source reporting this, and their source is the guy who feels he did not get enough credit.
Like I said, I’m not ruling out anything, I am more inclined to believe him based on his stature in the Warriors community, but that doesn’t mean he has nothing to gain or anything like that.
Among other reasons…
Maybe he is fed up with the sustained terrible quality of the Warriors product, so in order to generate some negative publicity he is making up a lot of this to show other fans the Warriors management does not care about them. And in that case, it becomes a means justifies ends debate. Does it even matter if he’s telling the truth, or does it only matter that he is doing it for what he believes is a good cause. So that is a reason he could be blatantly lying, because he loves the Warriors.
Or maybe, yes, he was never compensated. But he made up the rest of it to get bad publicity for the Warriors so he could get paid, or he made up the rest of it just for vengeful purposes.
I don’t know what is going on, so I reserve the right to learn more before passing judgement on the organization. Because personally, I do not think the ends justifies the means in most cases, so while I am not a fan of management, I feel all criticism of management should be grounded in truth.
God, I love GSoM but I should not be on here, I am supposed to be studying right now.
by belilaugh on May 27, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
conspiracy theory much?
i don’t think he would put in that much effort to do something negative publicly. i’m assuming that paul wong is a logical human being. a logical human being/fan would not make up stories about his personal treatment in order to make a point about the on court product. it doesn’t make any sense to do.
there is no official confirmation about the fan of the night thing, but why would he lie about it. as for the other stuff—rowell confirmed receipt of his letter yet never wrote back. furthermore the team hasn’t said anything to the contrary against paul wong and what he has been saying. based on the track record of the front office and logical actions of a human being—i am lead to believe paul wong more than the front office at this point.
even if the whole thing is BS (which it is likely not)—if nothing else, this shows the distrust and negativity that the front office and management has stirred up around itself. no front office, i don’t believe you or in you…
by gogoldenbears on May 27, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are asking me “why would he lie about it” like I am supposed to come up with answers. That is not my point at all. My entire point is, I don’t know why he would lie about it, but that does not mean he wouldn’t lie about it. I already stated I was more inclined to believe Paul Wong more than the front office, but I am not going to believe anybody until I get more information.
Besides, while your conjectures are more grounded in common sense and therefore would be accepted while mine would be dismissed, saying you are"assuming paul wong is a logical human being" is a conjecture just like what I put out. I’m not saying it is wrong, and I am not saying that common sense is always wrong, but there is no proof of him being a logical human being that I have come across, just like there is no proof of him not being a logical human being.
And please don’t write that I am making conspiracy theories. It disappoints me, because it shows me that you did not read what I wrote, and that you are coming to a conclusion about what I wrote based on stuff I did not write. I never said my theory was true, or even likely, so unless you can show me where I did, tell me where my conspiracy theory is.
by belilaugh on May 27, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha chill
‘why would he lie about it’ was a rhetorical question. i was trying to echo much of what you said…
the part i was questioning (made a reference to conspiracy theory) was when you were thinking aloud of reasons that paul wong could possibly be making his story up. i don’t think its necessary to read that much into it. i guess i got caught up trying to defend the guy cause most of what he said doesn’t sound like it is something you can make up—especially since at least one of the things has been verified.
my point was even based on what we know for sure (that is verified) he still got screwed. that’s my point. perhaps the usage of ‘conspiracy’ was misplaced. still, just like you don’t want to second guess management, i don’t think its necessary to question the fan.
by gogoldenbears on May 28, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad, I usually overreact if I see the words “conspiracy theory” tied to anything I write because of the connotations those words contain not only about what I write but about who I am.
It’s not that I don’t want to second guess management, because if more information comes up that gives me reason to I will second guess management. I just don’t think it is there yet. But as you said, more stuff is coming out that is supporting Wong, so I am slowly gravitating more towards his side.
Don’t get me wrong though, I am not a fan of management at all.
by belilaugh on May 28, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus
I dont have any trouble routing for the players and believing in the players, but the more i hear about the front office the harder it makes for me to route for the organization, if that makes any sense…
"Maybe I need somebody that can save me from the parts of myself that keep making me crazy" -Slug-
by drizztismoneybaby on May 27, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You are not alone...
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on May 27, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't the warriors
offer to help him out with the costs of his “we believe” merchandise? didn’t he refuse the offer?
not saying management is right here, but i don’t think his request for a reimbursement is valid if he had initially refused financial help from the warriors for “we believe” in the first place. they offered, but you didn’t take it. your loss.
by jchao204 on May 27, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont think its that
i think he wanted some money for the warriors adopting his slogan for 2 years in a row
by saintdee on May 27, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the money issue is irrelevant
the other ways that he got shafted—a formal or personal thank you, the letter that he sent that never got a response and the fan of the night thing…. those were all things that would have been SOOO easy for the warriors to do for the guy. those things would have had much higher value to paul wong than it would have inconvenienced the organization. instead they strong armed him.
i don’t think he is in any position to ask for money—but the other stuff is just horrible PR and pretty unforgivable
by gogoldenbears on May 27, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its time for the "We Suck" movement
But I do still wear my We Believe, when I go to bed.
We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!
by LighTz707OuT on May 27, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll always believe
No matter how good or bad we are. GO WARRIORS!
by Golden Boy on May 27, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I Still Believe
The time will come .. eventually
by GSW_fan on May 27, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I still believe,but We Believe is dead.
it’s “I BELIEVE” now!
We Believe
by RunNdGun on May 27, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe!
We have a lot of talent! Just a piece or two away. I think not resigning BD was the right move he chose to go to the Clippers hello the Clippers! He doesn’t even want to play basketball. He lacks the desire he’s great when its good and poor when it’s bad it makes him a lil like Randy Moss.
Who knew what a moped could do to a franchise. Monta made a huge error. The thing nobody talks about is his suspension if he was just fined he would have had to pay taxes on top of his fine.
I love Chris Mullen for what he has meant to this franchise as a player! As a GM he was hit and miss. Almost more miss. It was real close! Mullen was rumored to go to the Knicks 2 years ago… He’s a New York guy.
Larry Riley deserves a chance he’s been a lifer he know gets a chance to sink or swim.
Nellie gets a bad wrap for being too honest… He did handle Randolph the right way! Are injuries his fault?
People gave him a bad rap for turning the team over to his successor Keith Smart is that not maybe another way to build for the future.
This is our biggest off-season in years!
We once believed we can believe again! Don’t let the media dictate our future… They crap on everything to get reactions…
by samiam2112 on May 27, 2009 11:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think the media is driving us to these conclusions
these are facts of how they treated Mr. Wong, and the fact is the front office showed once again that they have no sense of tact or common courtesy. I hope the fact that not as many people are renewing their season tickets as Rowell hoped will be a wake up call. As I see it, we are the best fans in the nba, willing to stand by their team no matter what, but if its better for us in the long run to send a message to the front office by not renewing and not going to as many games, then maybe thats what needs to be done. Obviously their actions are driving by a need to further fatten their wallets, so lets hit em where it hurts and force them to act like a professional organization. Hopefully warriors PR can respond to this as I would like to see how we can be optimistic about our organization giving fans the shaft.
"Maybe I need somebody that can save me from the parts of myself that keep making me crazy" -Slug-
by drizztismoneybaby on May 28, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“We have a lot of talent! Just a piece or two away.”
That’s what I’ve been telling myself since ’94. We have one playoff appearance to show for it…
by Missing Barry on May 28, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
good
get all the damn fake ass bandwagons fan out of here. I sick of that we believe shyt!!!! As long all the true die hard warriors fan is around, it’s all good.
by warriorfan4life on May 28, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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