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Let’s get this out of the way.  Brandon Jennings appears to have very good playmaking skills, is very quick, and an excellent athlete.  He also appears to be an inefficient scorer, who can’t hit a three to save his life, with rebounding and defense issues (though there have been conflicting reports on his defense).  We know this; we’ve heard it before, many times.  Mcwalter44 made any sort of real scouting report here almost completely unnecessary.  If you are interested in a more standard scouting report on Jennings, previous fanposts should be able to help you out.  From here on out, we are leaving any semblance of a traditional scouting report behind and moving into a “cap’n hack feels ways about stuff, particularly Brandon Jennings” extravaganza.  You’ve been warned.

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Let me start with you, Chad Ford.  I’m not pleased with you.  In the Lottery Mock Drafts you could find on espn.com, you told me that Brandon Jennings was a point guard “in the Gilbert Arenas mold”.  He was listed as the Warriors’ pick if we had the 7 and I certainly didn’t mind the idea of bringing back Gil, but with working legs and a smaller paycheck (but probably not the wackiness and blogging skills).  Then I looked at some numbers, and it turns out, Jennings doesn’t make threes.  Ever.  His percentage from deep is an atrocious 20.7% in the Italian League and a slightly less miserable 26.8% in the Euroleague (with a smaller sample size). While he did shoot 45.7% and 47.9% from inside the arc in the two leagues, respectively, and that’s not particularly impressive.  Check the video (also from mcwalter44’s fanpost), his jumper is UGLY; someone needs to work on his mechanics starting yesterday.  In spite of its ugliness, it’s less terrifying than this: I want you to imagine Gilbert Arenas with no range at all.  You’re concerned, aren’t you?  Well, so was I.  Gil is not exactly a pure point guard, and doesn’t make his money by getting other guys involved.  So when I hear about someone “in the Gilbert Arenas” mold, but can’t hit a three, I get upset.  I do not want to draft that person.  Thankfully, that comparison was a typical piece of espn draft nonsense.

 

The guy can pass, better than Gil ever could.  Don’t worry about that; he’ll find the open man when he gets to the NBA.  He finds the open man to the tune of about 5 assists per 36 in Euroleauge, which might not sound impressive, but they are stingy about handing out dimes on the stat sheet in Europe.  Not to mention that most of the offenses do not lend themselves to racking up assists as a point guard, but even there, he makes passes with style.  We’ve seen the videos of Jennings’ ridiculous passes and he’ll probably try a couple of those unnecessarily flashy passes until Nellie or whoever is coaching him sits him down for throwing the ball out of bounds on a sweet looking behind the back.  That possible scenario aside, if he keeps the Bassy Telfair in him from ruining his career, he’s going to be able to make the right play more often the not.  His playmaking instincts are undeniable.  If he does absolutely nothing but run up and down the court and pass the ball the way he’s capable of, he’s got a role on this team.  And if no one guards him because of that abysmal range, he’s quick enough to get to the cup with no real problems.  That is encouraging.

 

Less encouraging is all the talk that he’ll never be able to play alongside Monta.  Maybe that’s true, but in all honesty, it’s not particularly important.  He’s not ready to play alongside anyone right now.  He’s a couple years away from being an impact player.  In all likelihood, even though he’s not going to walk into the first game of the season as our starting point guard and remind us of Chris Paul, he’s probably going to be an improvement over CJ.  Here’s the list of things that I’m fairly certain that CJ will be better than Brandon Jennings at if we bring Jennings over: shooting.  That’s the list.  So, if we think he’s likely to work on his jumper and play respectable defense to the point where he could start in the NBA in a couple years, then he’s worth considering at the 7.  Let say that the 2011 season is about to start and our best guards are Monta, Jennings, and someone we pick up in the draft or via free agency (I’d say Jack, but by 2011, I don’t expect him to be the same player).  If Jennings looks to be a top notch pure point guard, then we can trade Monta if they can’t play together.  If Jennings looks like an average NBA starter, then we trade him for whatever pressing need we may have.  If we add a 2 guard with game, maybe we bring Monta off the bench and let him be our instant offense 6th man.  None of these things are disasters.  What we need to worry about is whether or not Brandon Jennings can play basketball, not whether or not he fits next to Monta.

 

That said, I’m very worried about whether or not Jennings can play basketball.  A flashy dominant high school point guard with no range sounds a lot like Sebastian Telfair.  I invoked that train wreck earlier for a reason.  I can’t shake that possibility.  I’m not sure how likely it is, but that mental image won’t go away for me.  I’d even guess that Jennings will come in and be better than Telfair immediately, so the comparison is probably unfair, but there it is, the unfair comparison that won’t go away.  God forbid he comes here and thinks “Well, the Warriors don’t care about defense or rebounding, and they love iso plays; I’m going to show off my skills in the bay!”  But he’s improved in Europe; he seems more mature, more collected, more self aware and more able to realize what it takes to be a good basketball player (the interviews quoted and linked to by McWalter44 seem to show this).  Maybe he’ll put it all together, and he’s gotta be better than CJ, right?  Agh, I want some video!  I want to see full games!  I want to know what to think of this kid!  Right now, I feel ways about him, but I have no idea which ways those are.  Sitting at “he might be the BPA” when we draft and Jennings is available is not a good place for me to be.  For now, I’m stuck with a thousand different conflicting opinions, concerns and hopes.  I hate the pick now as much as ever, but not because I think Brandon Jennings is going to be a surefire bust, but because I have no idea what to think of him.  That sort of nausea is not what I want out of my draft pick.  At least I know what I’m getting with Stephen Curry.

 

Links to previous fanposts: http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/5/20/881215/jennings-7-yes-according-to-chad

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/5/14/875295/draftexpress-com-features-brandon

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note to sam23

apologies for dropping this as an individual fanpost instead of waiting for the combination post; i just thought this would be way too long to be included with 3 or 4 other posts.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 28, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no problem with mcwalters post it probably makes more sense like this.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 29, 2009 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent piece man
Less encouraging is all the talk that he’ll never be able to play alongside Monta. Maybe that’s true, but in all honesty, it’s not particularly important… If Jennings looks to be a top notch pure point guard, then we can trade Monta if they can’t play together. If Jennings looks like an average NBA starter, then we trade him for whatever pressing need we may have. If we add a 2 guard with game, maybe we bring Monta off the bench and let him be our instant offense 6th man. None of these things are disasters. What we need to worry about is whether or not Brandon Jennings can play basketball, not whether or not he fits next to Monta.

+1

by Atma Brother ONE on May 28, 2009 6:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve said this in some other fanposts, but I’ll say it again. I’m optimistic about his shooting ability. I saw him in high school, and he shot the lights out the game I watched. Granted, we’re talking a high school 3 point line, but he was shooting from NBA range and hitting in anyone’s face who tried to guard him. He hit a couple of NBA range step back 3’s off the dribble in that game. What does this tell me? Well, it’s one game. Even bad shooters get hot for a game. His form definitely needs work. The fact that he was even taking the shots to begin with (and making them) makes me think it wasn’t just a fluke – if he regularly shot terribly he wouldn’t be taking those shots, especially since he could get anywhere on the floor he wanted at will. It makes me think he does have some natural shooting ability, but obviously he had problems over in Europe.

Will he improve his form, and then work hard enough to become a decent to good shooter? I don’t know, but from what I’ve seen, I think the ability is there and it’s not quite as big a liability as Europe makes it seem.

by Missing Barry on May 28, 2009 6:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

those mechanics are so bad that some time with an nba coach should make it considerably better. i don’t know if he’ll ever be a “good” shooter, but most guys show improvement and i’d expect jennings to be no exception.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 28, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that he was even taking the shots to begin with (and making them) makes me think it wasn’t just a fluke – if he regularly shot terribly he wouldn’t be taking those shots

Josh Smith would like a word with you.

by antihero on May 28, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw Josh Smith play in high school, too, and I can tell you he wasn’t taking any shots like that…

by Missing Barry on May 29, 2009 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

watson

will be better at defense than BJ

watson was actually pretty damn good defending the second half of the season (coming from someone who hated watson….still dont like him much tho, but hes a decent backup to have)

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by LostHawk on May 28, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes we all know you don't like BJ

And like Holiday and Rubio

Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.

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by ejdacanay on May 28, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

truthfully

i wouldnt mind BJ….as long as we dont pick lawson ill be fairly happy

holiday/jennings/evans for PG’s would be good with me (and obv rubio…but lets stay realistic)

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by LostHawk on May 28, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think Jennings athleticism would at least give him the potential to play good defense. Whether he puts in the effort consistently is another issue entirely, though.

by Missing Barry on May 29, 2009 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how many athletic players

are on the warriors that cant play d?

crawford….ellis…

athletisism doesnt always translate to defense

BJ has always said to be immature etc etc…he couldnt even get into Arizona cuz of his bad academics…

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by LostHawk on May 29, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True – I don’t think we know enough about his athleticism to really make any solid conclusions. From videos we can obviously see he’s quick and an explosive leaper, but does he have the lateral quickness and length to go with it? When I saw him play I didn’t see enough to make any sort of judgement. Given his athleticism in the areas we have seen, I’d say probably, but it’s definitely not a sure thing.

There are positive reports about his maturity and work ethic coming back (see the ejdacanay’s post below) – it seems some people definitely think he did a lot of growing up in Europe. How much of that do I believe? I don’t know…

by Missing Barry on May 29, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does immaturity have to do with going to Arizona?

by warriOs on May 29, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hes dumb and lazy?

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by LostHawk on May 29, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monta never

went to college, and has never done anything immature that might affect his team in a negative way.*

  • = we don’t know about Monta’s academics, just that he chose to skip college, i.e. Jackson. Its a real question of whether or not players mature in college, become more intelligent, or become humbled by the experience of playing for something greater than money.

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by danielholl on May 29, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monta never
went to college, and has never done anything immature that might affect his team in a negative way.*

ummmmmm………. I’m not entirely sure I totally disagree with you, but I’m guessing quite a few others will.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick Notes

On his jumpshot:

After every practice, Jennings works with Trajkovic on his shooting, getting up as many as 500 jumpers. He credits Trajkovic with helping him improve his mechanics significantly ("going straight up and straight down, extending my arm, not fading away too much anymore, keeping on balance, not turning my hips a lot" Jennings explains), and indeed his shot looked much better than advertised in the three practices we observed, although he still has plenty of room to continue to improve, particularly with his pull-up jumper.

Jasmin Repesa [Roma and Croatian Coach] on his Defense


Repesa said Jennings had improved significantly, especially on defense, during his first month. He led the team in scoring, averaging about 20 points through five exhibition games.

On his Flashiness and Maturity

Gone is the brash, arrogant teenager with the Kid ’N Play style flat-top who dominated the ball in absolute fashion and looked first and foremost for his own shot, his stats and the ultimate high-light play. In his place is a much more mature, respectful young man, always cheering on his teammates, showing great body language and painstakingly trying to do what his coaches ask of him, almost to a fault at times.
In the second quarter, Jennings comes up with a steal and has a three on two transition opportunity. Not seeing the angle he was looking for, he pulls the ball out, waits for his teammates to run down the floor and calls a play, to the shock of everyone in attendance who had watched him play in America. "The Brandon Jennings of old would have never passed up that opportunity" the Director of Player Personnel sitting next to us points out while nodding his head. "Gotta limit those turnovers" Jennings explains to us afterwards. "My job is to be a pass-first point guard."

A similar theme ensues for the rest of the night, as Jennings refuses to force the issue time after time, not hunting shots in the least bit, looking extremely focused on facilitating the offense, making the extra pass to the point that you may have wondered if he’s being a bit too passive even. Another transition opportunity occurs after yet another steal, and Jennings connects with Ibrahim Jaaber on a perfect give and go pass for an easy layup, as the ball doesn’t even touch the ground once.
Last year, high school basketball phenom Brandon Jennings opted to go play professionally in Europe rather than play in college. And although he may not have had the success he’s dreamed of so far in his first pro season, he’s not forgetting about those less fortunate. Jennings has been spending the last year in Rome and has grown close to his Italian neighbors and fans. So much so, that according to SLAM Online, Jennings dropped $50,000 towards helping the victims of the earthquake that shook central Italy.

“After living in Rome this year, my family has found a second home. When I heard about the devastation of the earthquake I knew I had to do something,” Jennings said. “Growing up in Southern California, I am no stranger to earthquakes and after seeing on television and on the internet how many people died and how many families lost everything, I wanted to do my part.”

The money went towards the National Italian American Foundation’s (NIAF)/Abruzzo Relief Fund (www.niaf.org/relief ) which is specifically providing support for victims of the earthquake. As far as Jennings and the NBA, the young upstart is expected to be a part of the draft this summer

I also believe he’s closer to being an NBA starter than most people think, he certainly won’t be an immediate impact player, but that Euroleague stint (With a playoff run) really did give him much needed experience. Potentially, however I think he’s the Anthony Randolph of the draft.

Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
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by ejdacanay on May 28, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

awesome stuff. thanks for the addition.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 28, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't the same thing said about

Deron Williams, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, Devin Harris, ……………Come to think of it Swayne Wade has a questionable outside shot.

by dungeness crabdribble on May 28, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

id be happy with harden, jennings, blair, t-will, holiday, maynor or james johnson

Gerald Madkins

by gorillas on May 28, 2009 9:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was knocking Jennings a lot for his attitude

but recent reports tell me he’s a whole different person. Whether he tones himself down to a post-King Jason Williams or he clicks in to be a post-Hornets Baron Davis. He’s showing the desire to be a better player and Don Nelson is better than anyone in to improve a player who’s willing to fall in line. The faster he translates to the NBA, the faster he’ll grow. Except for Flynn, I haven’t really seen any other pg show real promise.

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by GoldenBlue on May 28, 2009 9:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Have you been reading recent reports???

Jennings has matured and improved his defense.

by ZaMzAm FiRe on May 28, 2009 9:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it was never called a scouting report and i actually would not mind jennings on this team at all. i actually mention that he’s matured significantly and that there have been conflicting reports on his defense (something you could not have said a few months ago, when all reports were negative). i’m honestly not sure when i was hating on the guy at all. do you want to dispute that he has struggled as a shooter? or that he has a rep for being too flashy? i’m honestly confused by that statement.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 29, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you read it?

Seriously, did you? The whole thing?

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 29, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Earl Clark

What about Earl Clark? Many say that he is in the Shawn Marion / Lamar Odom mold, and stockpiling young talent up front will increase our assets to possibly make a trade packaging some young talent and redundancy (Jamal Crawford or Corey Maggette) for a player of the star type that might be available with a team that is trying to cut costs?

And if we don’t have any trades on the horizon he’s a definite upgrade over Rob Kurz and Jamereo Davidson, and he would at the very least push Brandan Wright. It would also upgrade the team by putting one more ball handler on the floor.

by warriorsnut on May 28, 2009 11:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

who cares

whether or not our #7 pick can play next to Monta Ellis. Ellis is not a cornerstone superstar (and shouldn’t be treated as one), and we might just be drafting a better PG than him at #7 this year, who knows how it’ll turn out.

Monta Ellis could be a pretty nice trading chip too..

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by YaHeard on May 29, 2009 12:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Monta Ellis is by miles my favourite player...

but that is the smartest thing i have heard in a while.

A lot of teams with young talent want Monta, and in order for this franchise to move forward, it needs to stop hanging on to mediocre & good “players” who are fan favourites and build a “team.”

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by DoomBizzle on May 29, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post...

I think we share a lot of the same concerns about Jennings. I think if we do end up drafting him I’ll probably be… cautiously optimistic. I can’t quite bring myself to be enthusiastic, but maybe that’s just asking too much for a guy who I’ve never really seen play.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 29, 2009 2:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

though I think I’ll be even less optimistic than you guys about him. I want to get on board with a crazy upside guy like this, but I can’t quite do it. I was very down on Marco too though, and seems to have kinda shown something this year. I never saw either one play a single game.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 29, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

Right now I’m watching Gunnin’ for that #1 Spot (doing some “homework” for my Evans write up) and I can’t help but get a little excited when they show the grainy highlights from Jennings’ high school days. I know that they don’t mean much but it would be nice to see that kind of quickness and creativity at the PG spot. Dude is fun to watch in a Rucker game… crazy passes.

BTW Randolph got almost no camera time in this movie. His big moment was when Bobbito was making fun of his orange shoes. Oh wait, he just turned the ball over trying to dribble it up the court… and then he fell on somebody.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 29, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha, that description of randolph is hitting a little too close to home right now. funny thing is, they don’t even bother to list him with the “players” on the website. i guess randolph was never really gunnin’ for that #1 spot.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 29, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Seriously, the only two times you see him with the ball in the movie is the sequence that I described above and he also throws in an inbound pass right before half-time that gets deflected, bounces around a bit and then somebody picks it up and heaves up a three-quarter court shot that goes in at the buzzer.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 30, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think my favorite part of the webpage is the nicknames they give all the players, but then just decide not to bother with evans and donte green. the only names listed on their stupid fake player cards were “blue team” and “white team”.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 30, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice start to the group project

If Jennings brought back his Kid ’N Play flattop, I would absolutely be babbling incessantly about how we should draft him. Bring it back, Brandon!

by ffgolden on May 29, 2009 4:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

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