NBA Combine Measurables Released
by mcwalter44 on May 29, 2009 10:12 AM PDT
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PrintThis morning the various NBA draft website will be reporting on the release of the measurables from the 2009 NBA Combine. Here are the numbers that Draft Express is reporting.
| Name | No Shoes | Shoes | Weight | Wingspan | Reach |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dejuan Blair | 6'5.25 | 6'6.5 | 277 | 7'2 | 8'10.5 |
| Chase Budinger | 6'6.25 | 6'7 | 206 | 6'7 | 8'5 |
| Omri Casspi | 6'7.75 | 6'9.25 | 211 | 6'9.25 | 8'10.5 |
| Earl Clark | 6'8.5 | 6'10.25 | 228 | 7'2.5 | 9'1.5 |
| Darren Collison | 6'0.25 | 6'1.5 | 166 | 6'3 | 8'0.5 |
| Stephen Curry | 6'2 | 6'3.25 | 181 | 6'3.5 | 8'1 |
| Austin Daye | 6'9.75 | 6'10.75 | 192 | 7'2.75 | 9'2 |
| Demar Derozan | 6'5.5 | 6'6.5 | 211 | 6'9 | 8'6.5 |
| Wayne Ellington | 6'4.25 | 6'5.25 | 202 | 6'6.5 | 8'4 |
| Tyreke Evans | 6'4 | 6'5.25 | 221 | 6'11.25 | 8'8 |
| Jonny Flynn | 5'11.25 | 6'0.75 | 196 | 6'4 | 7'11.5 |
| Blake Griffin | 6'8.5 | 6'10 | 248 | 6'11.25 | 8'9 |
| Tyler Hansbrough | 6'8.25 | 6'9.5 | 234 | 6'11.5 | 8'10 |
| James Harden | 6'4 | 6'5.25 | 222 | 6'10.75 | 8'7.5 |
| Gerald Henderson | 6'4 | 6'5 | 215 | 6'10.25 | 8'6.5 |
| Jordan Hill | 6'9.25 | 6'10.25 | 232 | 7'1.5 | 9 |
| Jrue Holiday | 6'3.25 | 6'4.25 | 199 | 6'7 | 8'4.5 |
| James Johnson | 6'7 | 6'7.75 | 257 | 7'0.75 | 8'9.5 |
| Gani Lawal | 6'7.75 | 6'9 | 229 | 7 | 8'10 |
| Ty Lawson | 5'11.25 | 6'0.5 | 197 | 6'0.75 | 7'10.5 |
| Eric Maynor | 6'2.25 | 6'3.25 | 164 | 6'2.5 | 8'1 |
| Patrick Mills | 5'11.25 | 6'0.5 | 175 | 6'2 | 7'11 |
| B.J. Mullens | 6'11.75 | 7'1.25 | 258 | 7'1.5 | 9'3 |
| DaJuan Summers | 6'7.25 | 6'8.5 | 243 | 7'0.75 | 8'10.5 |
| Jeff Teague | 6'0.25 | 6'1.5 | 175 | 6'7.5 | 8'2.5 |
| Hasheem Thabeet | 7'1.25 | 7'2.5 | 267 | 7'6.25 | 9'5 |
| Marcus Thornton | 6'2.75 | 6'3.75 | 194 | 6'5 | 8'3 |
| Terrence Williams | 6'5 | 6'6.25 | 213 | 6'9 | 8'7.5 |
| Sam Young | 6'5.25 | 6'6.75 | 223 | 6'10.75 | 8'9.5 |
| Jermaine Taylor | 6'3.5 | 6'4.75 | 207 | 6'8.75 | 8'5 |
Seeing that Jonny Flynn, Ty Lawson, Patty Mills are all about 5'11" is interesting. Flynn has a 6'4" wingspan, Mills 6'2" wingspan and Lawson a essentially an average personal with a wingspan the same length as his height.
Blake Griffin meassures out the same as Tyler Hansbourgh? What gives with that? Two other interesting measurements: Blair is 6'5" with a 7'2" wingspan... that getting close to Barkley esque and GSoM fan favorite Jrue Holiday with a legit 6'3" with a 6'7" wingspan.
Cannot wait for the drill times (though Griffin is pussying out of those).
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The basic measurements you’ve come to know all of your favorite NBA players by are in shoes, I believe. So it’d be better to comment about their height in shoes, rather than no shoes. Reach is becoming a more looked at measureable these days, but you didn’t comment on anyones reach.
Reach is becoming a more looked at measurable these days, but you didn’t comment on anyones reach.
Good point. Standing Reach is definitely a solid stat, however, I’d only be concerned with it in term of post defense (whether it’s a guard, forward or center). Where as for perimeter defense I tend to think that wingspan plays a bigger role.
All that said, I can’t wait for more of the drill times and other numbers to be reported.
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
pretty much spot on as usual.
only thing is wingspan takes into account those with broad shoulders.
t-will has 1 inch on tyreke height wise.
tyreke has 2.25 inches on t-will wingspan wise.
but their standing reach only differs by 0.5 inches (instead of 1.25 inches).
this would lead me to believe that tyreke probably has broader shoulders than t-will. though it could just be that t-will has a longer neck, head combination which inflates his height.
by the evil monkey on May 29, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
it could just be that t-will has a longer neck, head combination which inflates his height.
Nothing personal, EM, but this is one of those great sentences that reminds me what complete and total nutjobs we all are…
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on May 29, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
The funny thing
is that I was watching some Louisville game tape the other night for my Earl Clark scouting report, and was thinking, “Terrance Williams kinda has a long neck”.
also...
you forgot to take into acount that wingspan includes both arms while reach just uses one. So your 1.25 inch difference turns into a .625 inch difference. Broad shoalders can account for that easy.
to add to what you already pointed out, standing reach is helpful in terms of things like “closing out on shooters”.
by the evil monkey on May 29, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
“Good point. Standing Reach is definitely a solid stat, however, I’d only be concerned with it in term of post defense (whether it’s a guard, forward or center). Where as for perimeter defense I tend to think that wingspan plays a bigger role.”
Yeah, in the end I don’t think it really matters which you look at the results are going to be almost the exact same every time. Maybe someone has a wide frame, or a long neck or something and it makes a couple of inches difference but even in extreme cases it won’t be that big of a deal.
Holiday had better size than I was expecting, but Evans is ridiculous! Early Clark and Daye are also pretty impressively big. Maybe we can acquire both of them and play AR, BW, AB and them all at the same time. That’d be entertaining if nothing else…
by Missing Barry on May 29, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d really like to see if there’s a correlation, even a loose one, between standing reach and/or wingspan and performance. I do not doubt it, but I wonder if it’s more untested conventional wisdom that it’s a clear advantage on the court for players who are otherwise about the same size. I do worry that some of the combine measurements could make basketball go the way of football, where too much reliance on times in the 40, etc. have generated some peculiar picks of great athletes who can’t actually play the damn game. I worry about someone like Diogu, who performed reasonably well in the agility and speed, showed himself to be spectacularly strong and had a long wingspan and standing reach that was in the range of some centers.
Also just a caution about the drills: Monta, who is quite clearly one of the quicker players in the game, did rather poorly at the combine, especially in the “agility drill”. Chris Taft, David Lee, and Ronny Turiaf were clocked much faster than Ellis by both measures.
wow
didnt know about how poorly ellis did in the combine
definitely helped us get him!
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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Is there an easy place to access combine-like standard data for the NBA dating back a decent amount of time? It’d be really easy to do just a basic regression with height, wingspan/standing reach, and numbers of years a player played in the NBA. It obviously wouldn’t be the best study ever, but as long as the players measurements were standardized each year and you had enough data, it should at least give you enough to answer your question.
by Missing Barry on May 29, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Do a Google search on “draft express measurements”. They have a sortable database going back several years. Note though: some of the older entries are not actual measurements but listed heights. It’s not always clear which is which at first glance, though they do actually mark the differences if you look closely.
Draft Express has it dating back to 2000
They also have combine/draft camp heights dating back to 1989 but they note that was based off of newspaper reports.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
Well then maybe I’ll get around to doing that this weekend. I’ll probably just use all the data and if I don’t get the results I’m expecting, actually put a couple minutes into figuring out what data is best to use.
by Missing Barry on May 29, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh…maybe not. We’ll see. It depends on if I can find an easy to use database to matchup with draftexpress to give me a measure of player performance – like years in the league.
by Missing Barry on May 29, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd recommend...
Scrapping the info off of Draft express. However, since the data is pretty static you could just as easily copy and paste into something low level like Excel or Access. Then again if you really want to cruch some numbers I’d recommend using R.
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
I have SAS so I’m set as long as I can find data that’s easy enough to use…
by Missing Barry on May 30, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
You can cut and paste the table with not too much ‘debugging’ on your end in a basic spreadsheet. I suspect that the data from DraftExpress is the most reliable you’re likely to find. You can display all years at once
If you can program, the initial programming takes time, but a good html parser that can strip data from a table on-line and port it into R directly can really help things out. I’ve liberated data from several sources that way and find it rather easy to work with. I suspect that the NBA (or actually, Turner Broadcasting, since they operate the NBA’s web service) don’t want people to do that as they have a buggy HTML line in all their code. It contains a ‘fix’ (some sort of javascript in most cases) later in the code so it displays correctly, but a basic algorithm to parse directly doesn’t work as the ‘bug’ is in a different place each time and results in gibberish tables. I suspect if I had the slightest idea how to use Java I could work around it, but I don’t.
Draftexpress’ data will work well. I’ll get something done early next week, shouldn’t take me very long. Not saying it’ll be the highest quality work, but I suspect it’ll be enough to confirm what we think (length has a positive impact on a player).
by Missing Barry on May 30, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
im pretty surpised by
evans stats…pretty impressive….
holidays not bad either
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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I’m a little surprised at how short Evans measured out to be. I don’t think it means much, if anything, but everyone seemed to be saying he was a legit 6’6". That wingspan is pretty crazy though.
Thing A
.75'' of an inch doesn't really bother me anyhow.
What’s the difference. He plays bigger than 6’5.75’’ anyway with that ridiculous wingspan.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
his weight was really suprising too
221 means he shouldn’t get posted up on too much
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on May 29, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
They’ll get them during individual workouts.
by Missing Barry on May 29, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe at the Reebok Eurocamp?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Well it looks like were getting Austin Daye
6’ 10" at a 192lbs, yep, thats our guy.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
Nope, right handed. That just won’t do.
by Missing Barry on May 29, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
How about Gerald Henderson and Tyreke Evens....
having essentially the same measurements, and being complete freaks of nature.
Harden, too. But I think you underestimate how many NBA players have that kind of ridiculous length. They’re all freaks, to some degree…
by Missing Barry on May 29, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy
Evans got a HUGE wingspan
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
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I totally missed this, but IcemanCometh didn't
That Gerald Henderson is just as freakish as Evans… but he’s not being billed as PG so there isn’t as much hype around him.
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Thanks for the love....
Evans isn’t really a pure PG just like Henderson is not really a pure SG. Both guys are really “wings” deep down. I’d really consider both of these guys to be similar players, Evans has a better handle and Henderson has a better mid-range game.
He's from Duke
Do not want
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Conductor of the We're Back Warrior Movement!
Wealready have inspector gadget, hell with wingspan, measure the heart!
by dungeness crabdribble on May 29, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Someone I remember having ridiculus size out of HS...
… to keep an eye on would be BC freshman Reggie Jackson. If my memory serves me, he had a 7’ wingspan at 6’3. Could be fun to see how he grows in coming years.
Evan's measurements really make a good case for
the warriors pick. With his measurements and constantly reading about his point guard skills both make me think that Evans is the best fit to start alongside ellis. He looked good running things for Memphis torwards the end of the college season in the few games I saw.
I’ve said this before, but I’m 99% sure I would love Evans if we hadn’t just had Crawford show us just how bad a long 6’5" guy with a PG skill could be. JAE pointed out that Evans was a much, much better rebounder and that that goes often translates into success at the next level, but I still can’t quite get past my Crawfordaphobia. I know its not fair, I’m kinda hoping the GSoM group project scouting report on him will sell me because I don’t particularly like being one of the few who still feels a “reach” for a guy like Curry, Lawson, Clark, or Williams is a better option than any of the 3 19 year old huge upside PGs.
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