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The Stack Jack Conundrum

This is my first post, but this is something that as a long-time Warrior fan has bothered me all of this season and off-season. Most Warrior fans and pundits love Stephen Jackson. As Captain Jack, he has been the emotional spark-plug for the team, as well as its best perimeter defender. But there is an important question that needs to be asked: Has Jackson's perceived value and the Warriors' emotional attachment to him out-weighed his actual value? 

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Warrior Nation, in general, has nothing but good memories about Jackson. He was a large component of the deal that made the team relevant again. But even in that magical year with Baron Davis still on the team, the Warriors lived and died by Stack Jack. I remember his awful play in the Jazz series that year, including a 1-12 game I believe the Warriors lost by 2. He also played terribly at the end of the '07-'08 season, shooting 33.9 percent from the floor over the final month, essentially handing the 8th seed to the Nuggets. Watching the games, for every highlight play he makes, there seems to always be a bad decision to go along with it. It boggles the mind how many times I've seen him do something like make a brilliant no-look pass for a dunk, then on the next possession pull up for an off-balance trey four seconds into the shot clock. His Player Efficiency Rating was atrocious this year, ranking 100th in the league, as a result of his turnovers per game, FG and 3PT percentages. I understand that he was asked to play outside of his role last year, but his 4 TO per game, 41% FG, and 34% 3PT are all completely unacceptable. His holy triumvirate statistics are completely inflated by Nellie-ball, as his 20-5-6.5 line from last year would very likely look more like 15-5-3.5 on any other team.

On top of his negative impact on the court, the team's handling of his contract extension was a perfect example of how screwy the Warrior's front office was this past year. Mullin told him they'd talk about the extension in the off-season. Stack Jack went to Robert Rowell, over Mullin's head, and got his extension. Why even bother having a GM at that point? Not to mention that with that three year, 28 million dollar extension, Jackson became virtually untradeable, as every front office executive not named Rowell considers him a middle-tier talent. The Warriors need a coach who can rein him in, but instead they have a coach and front office that have turned the keys of the franchise over to him. If the Warriors continue to live and die by Stack Jack, they will be a consistent disappointment. But because of his contract situation and the franchise's unequivocal and irrational loyalty to him, he's not going anywhere. So what's to be done?

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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So what’s to be done?

Hope that he plays his way into some trade value

Thing A

by sam23 on May 29, 2009 9:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey, didn't you hear?

Larry Riley said that contract was moveable! Everything is fine!

Obviously, the answer to this is as follows:
SJax is a perfectly fine player for your team if he’s your 3rd or 4th option on offense, doesn’t have to bring the ball up or initiate the offense, etc. He’s a good, versatile defender, so I would leave that part alone.

He’s the kind of guy who should be making about the MLE for 2 more years (considering his age), instead he’s making $35m over the next 4. That’s the real crux of the problem.

What is to be done? Hope to get a couple options better than Jackson so he doesn’t have to be top banana, hope the economy turns around so his contract is moveable in a year or two, and hope a contending team gets desperate/stupid and makes a deal for him.

by markdash on May 30, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

hope the Lakers look “soft” in the Finals and get pounded, making them desperate to add the type of “toughness” Jack brings.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

hope the Lakers look "soft" in the Finals and get pounded, making them desperate to add the type of "toughness" Jack brings.

…or hope that Kobe get’s into a scuffle outside a strip club, causing them to bring in somebody to look after him?

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 30, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

We can only hope, can’t we.

by the guy on May 29, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

shut up with the rob kurz. it’s getting annoying.

by vinchenzy on May 31, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

add an all-around guard

who can plug the perimeter, subtract m’gette, let Jackson go back to the three or take the sixth man role, depending on the off season additions. there’s a fair number of 2’s and forwards who can play the 3 in this year’s draft.

by the.monk on May 29, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

recc'd

I feel the exact same way about Jackson. While he can get hot and make some marvelous plays at times, it is my feeling that he is really hurting this team more than he is helping. Not only was he very inefficient scoring this past season, there are a lot of other negatives he brings to the table. 1. He is dubbed our “team captain” and yet makes some of the stupidest plays on our team. I can only imagine what this does to the psyche of our young players, looking at their “leader” take dumb fouls, mouth off to the refs constantly, not get back on d after a play which he thinks he is fouled, take ill-timed and rushed 3 point attempts, and dribble the ball for 10 seconds standing in one place and then fire up a fade-away. Not to mention his 1 on 5 iso’s when he attempts to spin into the lane with 3 guys swiping at the ball and gets repeatedly stripped.

Thats why, since he is signed for another couple of years, we need to draft someone (or develop/bring in someone) who can reign him in and make sure he doesn’t get as many touches/ doesn’t so as much damage to our team.

by randolphforpresident on May 30, 2009 1:08 AM PDT reply actions  

So what's to be done?

enjoy the good plays until the contract is up and ignore the rest!

you’ve summarized the situation well, he’s overpaid – he’s gonna be tough to trade, tougher than Maggette imo, but he’s one of the few guards who might work very well in a lineup w/ Monta at PG …

by hardcore on May 30, 2009 7:20 AM PDT reply actions  

+1
So what’s to be done?

enjoy the good plays until the contract is up and ignore the rest!

I like your attitude. We are stuck with him for a while so let’s try to enjoy it.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on May 30, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

yea he’s really not a hard player to root for either. HIs contract is probably just as bad as Maggette’s in terms of value, but it just doesn’t seem nearly as bad.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think jackson is 1 of the top SF In the league when he is playing his role and not trying to do to much

but he needs to be like everyone says the 3rd or 4th option on the team or he is not gonna be at his best. If Monta can become an All Star type player at PG and Randolph develops into a night mare for opponents at 3 while Dre improves and gets more looks and the rest of the roster grows we could have something special out in Golden State in a few years.

by GSW9 on May 30, 2009 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Haha

Dude, that’s a lot of IFs. I would guess pretty much every team in the NBA is at least that many IFs from being special, and most teams are significantly fewer.

Jack is nowhere near “one of the top SF in the league,” whether trying to do too much or not.

LeBron
Melo
GWallace
AK-47
Pierce
Durant
Marion
Carter
Butler
Turkoglu
’Shard

There’s 11 obvious ones; I’m sure there are a bunch more. Heck, Jack might only be the third-best SF on our team after Buki and Maggs…

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on May 30, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

he’s not better than Wallace or AK47, though it may be close. You might be right on Marion though, he seems like a shell of his former self.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is MILES better than wallace

jack you can run the offense through. Wallace you cannot. Wallace is a much better version of maggette but jack is a more all around player

by tafkasam on May 30, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

wallace gets to the line more, is a much better defender and rebounder, is a slightly better shot blocker, is slightly better at getting steals, and shoots a higher percentage. jack scores more, gets more assists and has a better assist/turnover ratio. when they’re both healthy, i’ll take wallace. factor in wallace’s nasty injury habits and maybe you could argue for jack, but he’s certainly not MILES better, because when wallace is healthy, he’s the better player.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 30, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is MILES better than wallace

Haha. As JAE would say, this is false. Had you just said “Jackson is better than Wallace” it would have been false, by almost any metric you choose to consider. Just to pick one: by Dave Berri’s winshares and WS per 48 metrics, Wallace was the best SF in the NBA not named by LeBron, and by a wide margin. Jackson, not surprisingly, doesn’t even crack the Top 15. That you felt compelled to add the word “MILES” to your comparison (in all caps) seriously calls into your question your critical thinking skills, or at least your objectivity. I’m a little disappointed in you, tafkasam. :,-(

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on May 30, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

danny granger

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Iguodala

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Give the man a break

He was thrust into the playmaking role by Moped Gate and Baron’s departure. Limit his ballhandling, and reduce minutes to about 35-38 and he will be very good for us next year. Let’s not forget he along with Turiaf are our heart and soul. He also really needs to cut down his damn technicals.

by warriorsnut on May 30, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Give the man a break

If only Nellie would heed this advice. I agree: if Jack plays 30 minutes a game, ideally mostly at SG (where his rebounding becomes average rather than poor), and if he stops trying to force things on O and focuses on crisp ball movement and tough D (which he can play effectively, when he puts his mind to it), he could be a useful player for us. I think he and Monta as the starting backcourt could develop a nice synergy; he and AB already seem to have one.

Still, the statement “Jackson is one of the top SF in the league” is false, unless you mean “one of the top 25 or 30 or so.”

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on May 30, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh man he did great things

but his ball movement was the one that killed me. Him posting up on double teams was just awful to see.

by bojangles408 on May 30, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

If only Nellie would heed this advice. I agree: if Jack plays 30 minutes a game...

yeah -i agree -but fact that Jax is forced to play almost 40MPG + to be PG SG SF in same time shows pretty much what we got
-it’s really not so much his fault -at least i can’t say ‘he didn’t tried’

30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ

by Lat We N Trash on May 30, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

jackson is definatly a top 10 sf in the league

i mean he has some weaknesses but jackson is still a pretty good player and deserves more credit for the good things he does instead of always looking at the negative things

by GSW9 on May 30, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions  

.....

when you factor in a players negatives with a players positives, if they are good, the positives will outweigh the negatives. with Jackson, this is a tossup on any given night.

by randolphforpresident on May 30, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Jack, but

He’s just NOT a top 10 SF. You can’t just make a statement like that without considering who the actual top 10 SFs in the league are.

The first tier:1.LeBron
The second tier: 2.Carmelo 3.Pierce
The third tier: 4. Durant 5.Granger 6.Iguodala 7. Butler 8.Carter

You can’t really make any kind of reasonable argument that Jackson is better than any of those guys

He MIGHT be somewhere in the next tier of guys along with some combination of Lewis, Turkoglu, Artest, AK47, Wallace, Howard, Prince, AK47, Miller, Jefferson, Salmons, and Marion…..but you definitely can’t say there aren’t at least two guys in there better than him.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

the problem is

offensively he should be a 3rd option not a first. But last year we had no monta and maggette cant stay healthy….i mean seriously, last season jack impressed me more than every because of his ability to step up

Once monta comes back and maggette is on floor or we add someone he plays MUCH more efficiently…. his other skills (defense) are simply too important to trade…. its not like we have bruce bowen hanging around.

by tafkasam on May 30, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions  

this thread is a joke

without jack this past season were worse then the kings and clippers. We would have no half decent playmakers i mean none it would be
cj
morrow
buike
maggs
ab
not only was he our best outside defender he also was the only player who could command a double team on offense. Hes worth 10mil a year easy lay off cap jack id take him over
carter, butler, wallace, ak47, marion even though his true position is a SG.

by Warriorfan on May 30, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

You mean without Jack we’d be looking at a top 3 pick? Hmmmmm….Jack and the 10/4 left on his contract plus the #7 pick for Rubio or Griffin? I bet thats a trade 90% of Warrior fans would make.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

uggh

I like Jack, I really do. And I think he’s a pretty solid defender. But the fact that he’s the best defender on our team (by a lot) seems to make everyone give him a little too much credit for his defensive efforts. I definitely wouldn’t call him lock down. I’d much rather have a guy with the potential to be a dominant PF or a PG who projects to be very good on both ends of the floor and about 6 million in salary difference than Jack, adding a “lockdown defender to replace him” would be one of the last things on my mind.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

calling jack a “lockdown defender” is definitely a stretch. how man so called “lock down” defenders do you see not getting back on d after a missed shot (he is complaining to the refs, give him a break), grabbing the opponents jersey on the perimeter when the opponent blows by him and they are over the limit… Jack plays defense when he feels like it and when he is not too tired from is 1 on 5 iso’s.. but i guess thats a “lockdown defender” in your book

by randolphforpresident on May 30, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jackson is a lockdown defender?

Quite frankly, he played as much matador defends as anybody this last year.

He’s CAPABLE of being a lockdown defender, but whether he tries or not, well, you’d have better luck putting your money on the roulette wheel in vegas.

by Ronaldinho on May 31, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

your logic is wonderful

if we keep our team crappy every year we’ll always get the best players lets keep that strategy up

by Warriorfan on May 30, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’d rather have a crappy team and net a top draft pick than a mediocre team, saddled with terrible contracts that severely limit any chances for real improvement.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 30, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, my logic obviously sucks. Crappy team that leads to a top draft pick sure hasn’t worked out well for those two teams playing tonight has it? Clearly better to commit to overpaying vets so we can remain mired in mediocrity.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

your comparing

Lebron James and Dwight Howard to Blake Griffin and Ricky Rubio?
I’ll let you make that case.
As far as teams keeping their core and improving with trades ill go with last years championship contenders in LA Lakers(pau gasol) and Boston Celtics(KG and Ray Allen)
For the post question on what we should do with jackson is simple we keep him because is one of our best players and excels as the 2 or 3 man on offense. With our team healthy were at least 10 w’s better then this past season record. We need to try and move maggs, crawford with some young potential to improve our team. if we keep monta,ab,jackson,buike,turiaf,ar,bwright thats what 40-45 million a year we should keep. Everyone else should be on the market.

by Warriorfan on May 30, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tell you what. Find me a successful team in the NBA whose success is not predicated upon a player they themselves drafted. Probably in the first round, at that.

Also, you do not understand the trade market at all. If we’re going to move those salaries, we’re going to have to take back salaries. The only way to get rid of them without taking on salary is to also send along the #7 pick. This makes no sense since this team isn’t a playoff team on the cusp of the tax trying like the Suns were, the Warriors need to draft players with these first rounders and turn them into productive players.

by markdash on May 30, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe i wasnt clear

boston was horrible then kg and ray allen came
lakers were ok before pau gasol came
warriors sucked before b davis came
heat were crappy before oneil came

those players i mentioned are players we should keep and not trade while everyone else should be shopped for potential trades that could improve our team. I’m not saying cut the rest and get free agents it doesnt work that way im aware. We have enough youth on this team i would be more then happy to try and trade our pick or package it with players for an impact player if possible if not then go ahead and draft someone who may or may not be good 5 years from now.

by Warriorfan on May 30, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

you can’t improve the team by trading the junk that you want to trade. without giving a team something of value, you are not getting a kg, ray allen, pau gasol, boom, or shaq. even in the deals that were ridiculously lopsided (pau in particular), the team making the trade got cap space in return, something we can’t manage without expiring contracts. if the best assets you’re willing to trade is jamal crawford’s 2011 expiring contract and the number 7 pick in a weak draft, you aren’t getting much of value in return.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 30, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

jack is overpaid and extended beyond when he’ll be a particularly productive player. saying that stephen jackson’s extension helped this team would be an incredibly difficult argument to make. it was senseless and happened well before it should have. if jack was playing well after next year, then you talk about resigning him at a discounted rate. standing pat and paying boatloads of money to guys who can’t bring you a championship instead trying to bring in better players is a great way to keep your mediocre core together and keep bringing in the mediocre win totals.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 30, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lebron James and Dwight Howard to Blake Griffin and Ricky Rubio?
I’ll let you make that case.

I didn’t compare them as players, I only compared philosophies. You said we should lay off Jackson because of what he brought us last year. I said that while he is a good player, without him we would not only have one less bad contract that will be very difficult to move, but we may also be in position to add a major franchise-outlook-changing type of rookie. I think both Griffin and Rubio will be excellent NBA players. I don’t think either will come close to being as good as LeBron or Howard, but that doesn’t change the fact that Jack’s contributions didn’t do us much good last year at all.

as far as teams keeping their core and improving with trades ill go with last years championship contenders in LA Lakers(pau gasol) and Boston Celtics(KG and Ray Allen)

Congratulations you proved that a couple contending teams have added key pieces via trade. I’m not really sure what your point is. Every team has at least one key contributor they’ve acquired via trade. I mentioned that we shouldn’t be handing out big contracts to veterans. Are you comparing Jackson and Maggette to KG, Allen and Gasol? You’re at least coming as close to doing that as I was to comparing LeBron to Rubio. Both the Celtics and the Lakers had veterans who were legitimate franchise players before they went out and traded for those other guys. If we had a Paul Pierce or Kobe Bryant I’d have no problem with us committing a little bit too much money for a couple too many years for a legitimate title run. We are nowhere close, nor were we when Maggette was signed or Jack was extended.
For the post question on what we should do with jackson is simple we keep him because is one of our best players and excels as the 2 or 3 man on offense.

Well we probably have no other choice but to keep him or trade him for an even worse contract, so technically I agree with you. But you fail to realize that the team isn’t very good. Brad Miller was one of the best players on the Kings up until the deadline last year. But he was old and overpriced and didn’t fit with their youth movement and the team stunk. Should they have been determined to not deal him simply because he was one of their best players and he could be a good 2nd or 3rd option? Similarly, most who didn’t have some crazy delusional view of the team after Baron left saw a roster that probably wasn’t going to be very good even if Monta had been healthy? So should we have committed a bunch of long term money to a couple injury prone wings about to turn 30 because they could be nice 2nd or 3rd options this year?

We need to try and move maggs, crawford with some young potential to improve our team.

Great, yea we do need to try that. Realistically, its never ever ever ever ever gonna happen like that.
Everyone else should be on the market.

Correction: Everyone else should be on the market.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Everyone should be on the market."

Seeing as that statement qualifies as one of the more foolish things I’ve ever read on this website, I’m willing to bet you’d like to retract it, so all is forgiven.

I don’t see any logic in breaking up a team that hasn’t played one full game together with everyone healthy. Actually we didn’t see Jack, Corey, AB, Jamal, Monta, and Buike play one game all together. Those are our best players, so its safe to say we didn’t get a fair assessment of this team. I’m willing to give it a try.

If a team that has two similar players under 6’5" in their starting backcourt, and has Varejao as their starting PF can win 66 games, I don’t see why are squad is at least not playoff bound next year.

Monta/Jamal/Belli
Jack/Morrow/Belli
Buike/Maggs/AR
AR or Bwright
AB/Ronny

If the majority of them play a minimum of 60 games each, I can see this team getting 40+ wins easy. I mean think about that squad, tell me Cleveland couldn’t use two 20 point scorers coming off their bench. We have a good enough team to have Corey Maggette and Jamal Crawford on our bench. Almost every contender, including Boston and LA would love to see that fire power on their bench.

Also our bench features Turiaf, the leader in NBA 3pt fg%, and either Wright or Randolph, that means that we don’t have to run Monta and Jack 38+ mins a game, thats awesome. Sure PF may be a little weak, but that lineup means that Don Nelson can go small and use Maggette at the PF or Buike. This a perfect lineup for Nellie. Fast, athletic, and everyone has a legit offensive game, maybe not Biens. Our perimeter D was horrible last year, but having Buike and Jack starting and taking the majority of minutes at the 2/3 greatly improves that.

Yeah we could make improvements, every single team in the league can make improvements. There’s no use in blowing something up just to rebuild if you’re not sure if there’s even anything wrong. Give em a chance first.

No need to panic, pray for health.

by myk on May 30, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

you said it nicely

this team healthy no one wants to play. This team with a Bosh or Amare is a nightmare. Can you imagine a monta/amare pick and roll OH MY!

by Warriorfan on May 30, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Health is something you usually can’t count on. The Rockets took the Lakers to 7 games without their 2nd, then their best player. The Magic are going to the Finals without their starting PG who was also their 4th leading scorer. The Celtics took the finals-bound Magic to 7 games without their best player.

If your team needs good health to win 45 games, you’re probably screwed, especially when one of your key players is COREY MAGGETTE.

by markdash on May 30, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry those stats got pushed together making them difficult to read. But you get the point-they are fairly similar, with Wright holding an edge in points (but not FG%) and Verejao, even in his worst rebounding year, having a considerable advantage on the boards.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

one thing that doesn’t show up on that stat sheet is that varejao is an excellent post defender. you can’t say that about wright.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on May 31, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea thats why I added Berri’s analysis, I didn’t feel the stat comparison between Wright and Varejao accurately showed just how good Varejao is, especially to someone who may not be a big on Wright.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1. People who say, “oh, if only we had every single one of our players healthy at the same time, we would be unstoppable” don’t seem to get it. If you have a good team, you should be able to play solid basketball despite losing one of your starters.

by randolphforpresident on May 31, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

you really need to make something like this into a fanpost.

it’s just mind-boggling to me how so many people can watch NBA basketball and not understand this concept.

sure, it’s nice to be deep, but being deeper than those championship Celtics or Spurs or Bulls, etc. doesn’t mean crap w/o that player who is elite among the elite.

another thing that boggles my mind is how fans can watch the NBA and put stock in stuff like “he’s a top 50 player” don’t they realize the difference between the #1 player and the #5 is effing humongous?

breaking it down by position is even worse. Dwight at #1 >>>>>>>>>> Ming at #2.

by the evil monkey on May 31, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

sure, it’s nice to be deep, but being deeper than those championship Celtics or Spurs or Bulls, etc. doesn’t mean crap w/o that player who is elite among the elite.

+1, and most of the championship teams of the past have shown that “depth” can be found on the cheap. Very few championship teams spend much money at all on their bench. Having an very efficient scoring SF and an explosive scoring combo guard coming off the bench are nice luxuries to have, but when they come with a 20 million dollar price tag and your team lacks a go-to player they aren’t really luxuries….they’re more of a debilitating waste of money.

you really need to make something like this into a fanpost.

maybe, it’s just kinda stating the obvious, but a lot of fans don’t really seem to get it. I’m a bit too lazy to do a good job with it, and I’m slowly trying to put together this (probably useless) Jordan Hill scouting report, so you can go ahead and go for it.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also like how

in your Jacksonless scenario we are forced to start Maggette at the 4 and guys like Monta, Randolph, and Wright mysteriously disappear.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 30, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by i love sports101 on May 31, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with original post

With a record as poor as ours,everyone is TRADEABLE !

Dr. Jeff

by JEFFSJAZZ on May 31, 2009 2:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Jackson will be easier to move than Crawford or Mags

As long as he is considered a premier defender, there’s a market for him. If his reputation is that he is one of the top Kobe and Dirk stoppers, there will be interest.

But I think Jackson is not going anywhere. He is one of the few vets the Warriors want to keep.

by JSML on Jun 1, 2009 3:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Kobe stopping and his role

I’m really enjoying all this discussion, thanks for all your comments and the 2 recs! I would like to say that while he may have a reputation as a stopper of those types of players, anyone who looks at the splits will see that Kobe averaged 25.8 per game on 44% shooting against us last year, while Dirk averaged 24.3 on 51%, ’Melo averaged 28.7 on 51%, Kevin Martin 33.3 PPG on 46%, and so on. In fact, while he was usually charged with guarding the best perimeter players on the opposing teams, they tended to light us up, so his reputation is really undeserved.

by the guy on Jun 1, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions  

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