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Holiday vs Jennings

This has been a well talked about discussion here. In my recent mock draft I had the Warriors selecting Brandon Jennings. I'm not so sure about that anymore. I have been looking at Jrue Holiday and everyday I grow more interested in him. So everybody, kick back relax and enjoy this post. I put a lot of hardwork into this. We begin with Brandon Jennings.

 

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Brandon Jennings.............. where do I start. I mean he is real athletic he is quick he has the ability to create plays for his teammates. Look how he just blows by his defenders so easily. Look from 1:29 to 1:33 . That was amazing!!

-- Another thing, his offensive creativity. Look how he just tricks the defenders and does a no look pass to his teammate. Look from :38 to :40.

--  Brandon Jennings has a killer crossover. This time watch the full clip.  He has the ability to go anywhere he wants. I wouldn't be mad seeing him and Monta in the back court. A little undersized but its ok.

--  Again showing is explosiveness and creativity. Look at this play. Its ridiculous!!!!!! Only look from  :34 to :38.

--  This is the final clip for Jennings. This clip shows the way he plays in a real game. Brandon Jennings is the white team just to let you guys know. Check out the full clip.

 

Now it's Jrue Holiday

 

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Where shall I start with Holiday. He is unselfish, all around defensive player,  he has a high basketball IQ, and he has the ability to finish around the basket.

-- Holiday can be lock down defender. Here are is a clip dedicated to his defense and effort. Watch the full clip.

-- I like his ability to finish. He could of easily dunked it here but I guess he didn't want to. Only look from 4:09 to 4:15. The next play was a dunk so look at it.

-- Look at this nasty crossover. I mean it is disgusting. The clip is really short so watch the full thing.

-- This clip shows how he can finish easy. He dunks on not 1 but 2 people. It is real good check it out.

-- This is the final clip for Jrue Holiday. This clip shows how he can shoot the ball, dunk it, pass, etc. Here it is

 

 

Well there it is. I hope you guys liked it. Right now I still can't choose who I want. Its a hard choice. So we will let the poll decide.

 

Oh yeah I would like to thank  draftexpress.com for helping me out with this. I would also  like to thank youtube for these videos.

 

Poll
With the 7th pick of the 2009 NBA Draft the Golden State Warriors select?????
Brandon Jennings
79 votes
Jrue Holiday
113 votes

192 votes | Poll has closed

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Who i would get in the draft with #7

1- Brandon Jennings
2- Tyreke Evans
3- Jrue Holiday

by Sinigang on May 31, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would take Brandon Jennings with the seventh pick. I know some people are skeptical about his defense and would rather have Jrue Holiday because of defensive purposes, but Brandon Jennings is a true point guard and Jrue Holiday is not. Jennings receives high marks on his quickness and athleticism. He has a good jump shot that he can create on his own and is excellent at handling the ball. He does not lack confidence and has unlimited potential. His defense may not be as good as Holiday’s, but Jennings does stay in front of his man and get steals.

Overall, I’d take Jennings because he is a true point guard that displays basically all of the tools necessary to be a true point guard.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jrue is true point guard as well

He didn’t play the 1 much because UCLA had a very solid and experienced Collison there. If he wanted more time on the floor, he had to play the 2.

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by misterjennings on May 31, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the end of the day, he’s a combo guard. He doesn’t bring the skills that Jennings brings to the table. Jennings is quicker, faster, has more vision in the open court, a better passer, plays with more confidence and has more potential. I know what people are going to say and that’s the “you’ve never seen him play” comment. Every scout, after evaluating Jennings, will say all of those things that I just said. Call me silly, but I trust those scouts.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I back everything you’ve said about Jennings, and I have seen him play.

by Missing Barry on May 31, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every scout, after evaluating Jennings, will say all of those things that I just said. Call me silly, but I trust those scouts.

Thats just not true. I’m not really big on Holiday or Jennings right now, but reports on Jennings have been pretty mixed.

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by sam23 on May 31, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering no one watches Jennings in Europe (Utube clips so not count)

and only a UCLA hoops fan watched much of Holiday, no one on this board can make an informed decision. It is simply do you prefer blondes or brunettes, vanilla or chocolate. Since I prefer Blondes and Chocolate I would go with Holiday. Seems as more time goes by so do the so called experts.

by dungeness crabdribble on May 31, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

your statement kind of totally discounts statistics though. and history has shown that guys who were unproductive in college (whatever the reason), have not had a history of NBA success.

If we could, i’d give up this year’s pick to someone who is likely to be in the lower realms of the lottery again next year (like the Kings or Twolves). then hope John Wall or Derrick Favors lives up to his hype. or one of the promising college freshmen like Aminu or Monroe has a big jump his sophomore yr like Griffin.

by the evil monkey on May 31, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holiday is a Combo guard

He was being recruited as a combo guard out of Campbell Hall. He is not a pure PG, the only pure PG’s in the lottery are Rubio, Jennings, Lawson, and Flynn. I’ve mentioned it earlier, that regardless if he was played as a 2 or 1 with the Bruins, he never showed glimpses of stardom in him, he was playing just adequate in a mediocre Pac-10 division.
Both are boom or bust picks, but I’d rather go with the one who was the better HS recruit, who’s a real PG, and has that star/superstar flair to him.

Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
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by ejdacanay on May 31, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

why do u make up stuff?

Holiday was recruited as a PG for UCLA….UCLA didnt expect collison to stay…they said multiple times when they recruited him he was recruited to be PG…he played ONLY pg in high school…

get your info strait.

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by LostHawk on May 31, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holiday is a combo guard. He didn’t make it up. Holiday has the ability to play point guard at the next level and more than likely will, but he’s listed as a combo guard everywhere.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's listed as a combo guard

b/c he can play both….not because he is a scoring point or a passing SG…

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by LostHawk on May 31, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think he’s a scoring point guard or a passing shooting guard.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

then why call him a combo guard?

thats whats being implied when someone says combo guard…at least in my book

call him a point guard, call him a shooting guard…and btw…he clearly has stated that he wants to play the point. “FLOOR GENERAL”

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by LostHawk on May 31, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I call him a combo guard because he’s listed as a combo guard, but when I’ve dished out my mock drafts and big boards, I only list one position by the player and his school and I always have “PG” next to it.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

people keep saying

“I see him more as a combo guard”…thats implying that he is not a true PG when he plays the PG position…

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by LostHawk on May 31, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

why cant people just call him a point…thats what he will be playing in the NBA.

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by LostHawk on May 31, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol?

how bout go look at what every scout is saying about what position he’ll be playin based on the combines and workouts?

how bout u ask him what position he plays now?

how bout u ask him what position he wants to play?

how bout u ask him if he’s a leader?

o and about high school….yes he’s gunna say he can play any position to make himself look better, but he primarily played PG his senior year (his prime) and was picked up by UCLA TO BE THEIR PG FOR WHEN COLLISON WAS GONE

hes a PG.

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by LostHawk on May 31, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

point guard!

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by LostHawk on May 31, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha


how bout u ask him what position he plays now?

how bout u ask him what position he wants to play?
since he’s 6’2" or 6’3" I doubt many NBA GMs would be real happy to hear him say: “I’m a shooting guard!”

how bout u ask him if he’s a leader?

I’m sure NBA execs would be even more thrilled to hear him say: “no I’m not really a leader”

Its pretty misleading to say that UCLA envisioned him as their PG of the future when they were recruiting him. When they began the recruitment it looked like Collison MIGHT leave, but it also didn’t really look like Westbrook would leave. They had to know the odds that one might be back were pretty good. Holiday was pegged as a probable 1 and done guy from the start. Holiday was right in their backyard, it would have been ridiculous for them NOT to pursue him hard regardless of what position they envisioned him playing.

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by sam23 on May 31, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes i agree

it would have been bad for them not to pursue him.

but, it is also true that he was projected to be their PG when they recruited him (one of the top rated PG’s available) and it is also true that most thought that collision was going to be going to the NBA…so i think its pretty fair to say that UCLA was looking at him primarily thinking he would be their PG…and also thinking that he could be their SG if collison ended up staying….obviously it didnt work out as they expected (collison stayed…holiday didnt adapt as well as expected at the SG position nor the teams offensive pace)

either way im just tryin to say it is plainly wrong for people to be saying “I see him more as a combo guard” implying that he cannot play as a true PG just because he was forced to play SG at UCLA

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by LostHawk on May 31, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that as wrong as saying “I see him as a point guard because I think, based on NO actual evidence, that he was recruited to play PG”?

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

im going based off

what he has been saying…what scouts have been sayin at the combine…and also what UCLA was saying when the recruited him…i guess i should be more clear?

but still…saying “i see him more as a combo guard” based on draft websites position being pg/sg…i think thats totally wrong…basically when someone says it like that i look at it as he can play both positions…not that he is a scoring point or a passing sg…

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by LostHawk on May 31, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but the only evidence you’ve provided is what he’s been saying. Nowhere have you shown where UCLA said that and the fact that it was extremely reasonable to think that at least one of Westbrook and Collison would be staying at UCLA and Holiday was almost certainly a one and done guy seems to contradict what you keep saying without any real support. Scouts seem to be saying he’s a combo guard at least as much as they say he’s a PG. So you’re left with what he says. He’s under 6’4", he would be crazy to say he’s not a PG at this point.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

show me where scouts r saying he's a combo guard

all the reports i have seen say that hes a PG

also…from him commin into UCLA…everything i find says he is a PG
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/luke_winn/04/24/ucla/
http://www.insidesocal.com/ucla/2009/03/howland-on-holiday-the-nba.html

anyways…i think the main thing im trying to say is that he may be able to play both positions….itd oesnt mean he cannot play as a true PG…people are just assuming based on sites saying that he can play both positions that he wouldn’t be a true PG

every scouting report of the first two days of the combine i have seen have said that he will be an excellent PG…they dont even talk about him as a SG at all

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by LostHawk on May 31, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

From YOUR linked article

Holiday, a 6-foot-3 combo guard from North Hollywood who’s the prize of the class, said Howland called him from San Antonio in March;

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they don’t talk about him as a SG, but they don’t talk about Curry as a SG either. They talk about them as combo guards because they don’t appear to be true PGs yet, but are probably a little too small to be successful playing primarily SG.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind, guys, that these types of players (Holiday, Curry, etc.) are PROJECTED PG’s. Even if they do develop into true PG’s, they’ll need some to grow into the role. One of the reasons for calling them combo guards is because when they first start playing they’re going to have some growing pains playing more of a combo guard role.

by Missing Barry on May 31, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jennings doesn't excite me

Holiday doesn’t appear to be a true PG as many have stated. However I believe he has had the opportunity to demonstrate that he is not. Jennings is clearly a PG but I don’t don’t see him as a future starter. Holliday has much more potential and a high ceiling.

with that being said the Warriors have way too many unresolve issues; What to do with Crawford and what do we receive for him?, Marco B trade?, what to do with Wright?, Does who we draft affect Morrow’s PT?, Maggette status?…..

Cap Jack, Maggs, and Monta swallow at least 90 minutes…….I don’t think maggs and Jack can co-exsist on this team to be successful.

by sonny parker on May 31, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

“Jennings is clearly a PG but I don’t don’t see him as a future starter. Holliday has much more potential and a high ceiling.”

What makes you say this stuff? It’s one thing if you think Jennings will be a bust, but this makes it sound like you don’t think he has a lot of potential, which I assure you he does. Jenning’s ceiling is as high as anyone else in this draft, even if he may be farther from reaching it than others…

by Missing Barry on May 31, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Both Holiday and Jennings have a high ceiling.

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by kenntoe on May 31, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

more confused than ever about the best point for us in the draft........roll the dice

…….anyway Rubio’s the wet dream…future star…Jennings wont fall to 7….I love Ty Lawson but everone says he’s too short along with Flynn…….at least it will be interesting to see who ends up as the next best thing to Rubio——5 Years from now—-

by Only In Fairfax on May 31, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

there’s also the very real chance that both these guys are role players in the NBA (some would even extend this to “anyone outside of blake griffin” http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=katz_andy&entryID=4142213 )

outside of their high school highlights, it doesn’t seem like either of these guys really stood out in the college or european game.

by the evil monkey on May 31, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think...

It’s because they weren’t put into the best situation. Putting it in context, both guys played out of posession.

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by kenntoe on May 31, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*position*

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by kenntoe on May 31, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my concern is that even in the college game good NBA players thrive no matter what their situation is.

i’m not a fan of drafting Stephen Curry, but he did perfectly fine “out of position” at the PG spot this year after excelling for 2 yrs as a SG. Tyreke Evans didn’t play great as a SG, but he still was scoring around the 20s & picked it up after moving to the PG.

unlike the NBA where being out of position can mean you’re physically or athletically over matched, good NBA level players in college usually over match their college opponents and have no troubles based on position.

i’m pretty sure Jennings played PG in Italy. so i don’t think position had to do with it. my concerns with him are that if he can’t finish inside against clogs in Europe, how is he going to finish with all the athletic big men in the NBA? if he has no jumper either, he’ll end up being Mike Conley (whose main problems are that he has no jumper and can’t finish).

by the evil monkey on May 31, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never watched a Jennings' game.

But from reports on ESPN and DX they both say he went into a poor situation. One being he had to play with a more experienced team and two he wasn’t the only facilitator. From DX:


Something that must be pointed out is the fact that Jennings doesn’t even really run the point for Rome that much, as he’s often slated next to either of Rome’s dominant ball-handling guards Ibrahim Jaaber or Sani Becirovic. Clearly there wasn’t a great deal of thought put into how these players complement each other on the part of the club or Jennings’ camp when the roster was assembled last summer. There is no doubt that in another situation, Jennings may have been able to better put his playmaking talent on display, as he was obviously on a very short leash here in Rome.

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by kenntoe on May 31, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no doubt that in another situation, Jennings may have been able to better put his playmaking talent on display, as he was obviously on a very short leash here in Rome.

thing is, i don’t think anyone doubts his playmaking.

problem is if you can’t finish inside and have no jump shot, defenders in the NBA will be able to limit your playmaking b/c they don’t have to honor your offense. this is the problem guy’s like Telfair & Conley have faced.

i’m not against drafting either guy. i just have my concerns.

from what i have in fact seen, this draft looks really weak and full of guys that could use 2 more years of school. obviously, if we draft him, i’m hoping he’s closer to TJ Ford than Telfair.

by the evil monkey on Jun 1, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It looks more and more like Holiday will be gone by the time we pick...

I could see him going anywhere from 4 to 6. At that point I say we just pick BPA. Jennings, Harden, or Hill may still be on the board so it should be interesting…

by Sharunas Marchulenis on May 31, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see James Harden or Jordan Hill getting past the fifth pick and I think the Timberwolves will steer away from taking a point guard. I think they want to play Randy Foye there and are more likely to go with someone like a DeMar DeRozan to compliment him. I definitely think Brandon Jennings could still be there when we pick. I’m trying to be a little optimistic here, though, but it’s not a stretch.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

hopefully Jennings falls to us. I forgot to mention Tyreke Evans, although the more I watch Evans the more I see Jamal Crawford…

by Sharunas Marchulenis on May 31, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either way, between Jennings and Holiday, one of them should fall to the seventh pick. Both of them could fall to us, in fact. It may even be better if only one of them did so we didn’t have to choose.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha...

Knowing the Warriors management, we would be sure to mess things up if faced with that decision.

by Sharunas Marchulenis on May 31, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both Jennings and Holiday will be available, but the Warriors will instead take Curry.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

if he truly will be David Lee 2.0 like he compares himself, then I’d do it.

too bad he’s got the athleticism of Kevin Love in David Lee’s body…

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by misterjennings on May 31, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I think the perfect comparison for hansbrough is Luis Scola

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by i love sports101 on May 31, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but Luis Scola isn’t a white american born player. comparison fail.

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by sam23 on May 31, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curry is probably going to be more

productive right away than the other 2 because of his shooting range.

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by misterjennings on May 31, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mabey...

having 3 years college experience will help him initially…A Ellis and Curry backcourt just doesn’t look promising in the long run

by Sharunas Marchulenis on May 31, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

trade Monta

for Dwade?

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by misterjennings on May 31, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm down...

now all we have to do is convince Miami!

by Sharunas Marchulenis on May 31, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can say that about a lot of teams when their fans talk about their decision making.

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by kenntoe on May 31, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NBA Draft Big Board 2009
Update: First
Last updated: Sunday; May 31, 2009
1.) Blake Griffin — PF, Oklahoma
2.) Ricky Rubio — PG, Spain
3.) James Harden — SG, Arizona State
4.) Jordan Hill — PF, Arizona
5.) Brandon Jennings — PG, United States of America
6.) Jrue Holiday — PG, UCLA
7.) DeMar DeRozan — SG, USC
8.) Hasheem Thabeet — C, Connecticut
9.) Tyreke Evans — PG, Memphis
10.) Earl Clarke — SF, Louisville
11.) Stephen Curry — PG, Davidson
12.) Ty Lawson — PG, North Carolina
13.) Eric Maynor — PG, VCU
14.) James Johnson — SF, Georgia Tech
15.) Jonny Flynn — PG, Syracuse
16.) Chase Budinger — SG, Arizona
17.) Gerald Henderson — SG, Duke
18.) Jeff Teague — PG, Wake Forest
19.) Wayne Ellington — SG, North Carolina
20.) B.J. Mullens — C, Ohio State
21.) Gani Lawal — PF, Georgia Tech
22.) DeJaun Blair — PF, Pittsburgh
23.) Derrick Brown — SF, Xavier
24.) Terrence Williams — SF, Louisville
25.) DaJuan Summers — SF, Georgetown
26.) Patrick Mills — PG, St. Mary’s
27.) Omri Casspi — SF, Isreal
28.) Taj Gibson — PF, USC
29.) Sam Young — SF, Pittsburgh
30.) Tyler Hansbrough — PF, North Carolina

NBA Mock Draft 2009
Update: Fourth
Last updated: Sunday; May 31, 2009
1.) Los Angeles Clippers — Blake Griffin, PF/Oklahoma
2.) Memphis Grizzlies — Ricky Rubio, PG/Spain
3.) Oklahoma City Thunder — Hasheem Thabeet, C/Connecticut
4.) Sacramento Kings — Jordan Hill, PF/Arizona
5.) Washington Wizards — James Harden, SG/Arizona State
6.) Minnesota Timberwolves — DeMar DeRozan, SG/USC
7.) Golden State Warriors — Brandon Jennings, PG/United States of America
8.) New York Knicks — Stephen Curry, PG/Davidson
9.) Toronto Raptors — Earl Clark, SF/Louisville
10.) Milwaukee Bucks — Ty Lawson, PG/North Carolina
11.) New Jersey Nets — Jrue Holiday, PG/UCLA
12.) Charlotte Bobcats — James Johnson, SF/Georgia Tech
13.) Indiana Pacers — Gerald Henderson, SG/Duke
14.) Phoenix Suns — Jonny Flynn, PG/Syracuse
15.) Detroit Pistons — Wayne Ellington, SG/North Carolina
16.) Chicago Bulls — Chase Budinger, SG/Arizona
17.) Philadelphia 76ers — Tyreke Evans, PG/Memphis
18.) Minnesota Timberwolves — Eric Maynor, PG/VCU
19.) Atlanta Hawks — B.J. Mullens, C/Ohio State
20.) Utah Jazz — Jeff Teague, PG/Wake Forest
21.) New Orleans Hornets — Terrence Williams, SG/Louisville
22.) Dallas Mavericks — DeJuan Blair, PF/Pittsburgh
23.) Sacramento Kings — Omri Casspi, SF/Israel
24.) Portland Trailblazers — Gani Lawal, PF/Georgia Tech
25.) Oklahoma City Thunder — Patrick Mills, PG/St. Mary’s
26.) Chicago Bulls — Derrick Brown, SF/Xavier
27.) Memphis Grizzlies — Tyler Hansbrough, PF/North Carolina
28.) Minnesota Timberwolves — DaJuan Summers, SF/Georgetown
29.) Los Angeles Lakers — Taj Gibson, PF/USC
30.) Cleveland Cavaliers — Sam Young, SF/Pittsburgh

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

with hawes and thompson

I can’t see how the Queens would take Hill when they start Beno

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by misterjennings on May 31, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what I’ve been hung up on. Hill has more potential than the both of them, but the logical thing for them to do is to take Jennings. For now, I have them taking Hill.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd see them taking Hill and then trading down for Jennings/Holiday with a team that could use Hill.

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by kenntoe on May 31, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

Sac is definitely taking a point guard.

by Sharunas Marchulenis on May 31, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that is the case, Hill may end up falling down to the Raptors who could then strike a deal to trade Bosh since they could take Hill. It’s just a thought, I guess.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

to us for Beans and pork?

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by misterjennings on May 31, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We want BPA….why wouldn’t the Kings want the same thing. Maybe I’m biased because I’ve been looking at Hill a lot for the GSoM group scouting report project, but if Hill somehow falls to 7 I hope we don’t hesitate to snatch him up even if Jennings and Holiday are both still on the board too.

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by sam23 on May 31, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

who would you compare Hill to?

I haven’t seen that much of the guy, other than youtube highlight videos. I’ve heard mixed reviews on him. Some think he can be a star and others think he will be an average NBA big man. Outside of Rubio and Griffin, most other prospects in this draft will be boom or bust picks.

by Sharunas Marchulenis on May 31, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you didn’t ask for it, but in my personal opinion, Hill has a lot of upside and could become a star. He can step out and hit the jumper and is very athletic. He is not only limited to that, but he’s strong as well. He’ll block shots and rebound on both sides. He reminds me of Jermaine O’Neal.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

his frame and his "motor"

reminds me of Mikki Moore…

oh and his hair too

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by misterjennings on May 31, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he’d be a great fit for the Grizzlies. They have Conley, Mayo, Gay and Gasol, so they’re missing a power forward. Hill is a perfect fit there in my opinion. If they want to run and up down the floor, Hill can do that. He can settle in and play in a half-court set as well. He’ll defend the rim for them and be their best rebounder right off the bat. I think it’s a great fit. With a guy like Rubio on the board, though, it will make you rethink it all.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hill could be had at #7

flip flop picks with us please!!!!

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by misterjennings on May 31, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there's a possibility of

Memphis trading down for him, Kings, Wizards, could take him. If he falls all the way down, I’m fine with taking him. He’s got some muscle on him, has good length, and has a decent rebound rate for me.

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by kenntoe on May 31, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually

I’ll hit on this a little more in my actual fanpost on him, but I think if Hill is available at 7 (very unlikely, but not entirely impossible) making him a part of a Bosh trade might be the best way for us to maximize his value. I don’t love him, but I think he’s a must take at 7.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Hill gets by the Kings, it becomes likely that he’ll be there with the seventh pick. Harden and DeRozan could be available for the Wizards and Timberwolves respectively at picks five and six.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t say likely. A lot of teams picking later are rumored to have interest in HIll….I don’t think the TWolves or Wizards are so enamored with Harden or DeRozan that they wouldn’t trade back

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by sam23 on May 31, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and thats assuming neither of those teams like HIll, which is a pretty big assumption.

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by sam23 on May 31, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Wizards already have Jamison, Blatche, McGee and Haywood as far as their big men go. The Timberwolves only have Jefferson and Love, but I think they have other needs to address instead of taking a third big man. Then again, they do also pick 18th overall, but I think both teams will pick wing players.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you think the Warriors should draft for need?

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so if Hill or Thabeet are available we shouldn’t take them? If Griffin were available? He doesn’t fill a need like a PG does.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be honest, no, I’d pass on all three of them unless I could strike a deal with someone. That way, I could get a point guard and something else. I am not really all that high on anyone to the point where I would steer away from my current position and that would be to draft for need.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok I just want to get this clear

You would take Jennings over Blake Griffin?

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm… Did you watch Blake Griffin at all this year?

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

often?

more than just some highlights? what do you not like about his game?

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t think at the next level he can just catch, turn and dunk like that every single time down the floor. He’s not a good shot blocker and he can’t step out to hit the jumper.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s stupid, first of all. Drafting for need when you’re trying to build a competetive core like the Warriors are doing is a bad strategy. And yes, we are still trying to get that core in place. Second, Blake Griffin fills a glaring need. Rebounding, post scorer, post defender, future All-star. We need all those things, and he provides them.

by Missing Barry on May 31, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Griffin is the best player in the draft, but I am just not as high on him as the rest of the world is. I think our post scoring and rebounding will come into form once Randolph gets more playing time and as he develops with the other young ones, Biedrins and Wright.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, we clearly do not want to have too much post scoring and rebounding when we could have a largely unproven PG who has some pretty serious maturity questions surrounding him.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m big on drafting for need and I’m fine moving forward with our current big men. Instead, I want to improve elsewhere. There’s a gaping hole at point guard and there’s one good enough available, so take it. We shouldn’t be debating Griffin or Jennings, anyway. It’s a waste of time in my opinion.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we’re not debating the players as much as we are philosophies. Drafting for need is not a good philosophy for a team that isn’t very good. Our team isn’t very good.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it could be good quicker than some people may think if we take a point guard now to play with our young and talented big men so that they can grow and develop together into a good unit.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we should draft for need.

Our primary need: the best player we can get.

by jae on May 31, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL??

grifff is in a class of his own this draft….

any team that would NOT want him….would be INSANE

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by LostHawk on May 31, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am insane, then.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

or hope he can’t considering he’s probably not going to be playing for us.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mock Draft 1-10

1- Blake Griffin
2- Hasheem Thabeet
3. Ricky Rubio
4. Jrue Holiday
5. Jordan Hill
6. James Harden
7. Brandon Jennings
8. Stephen Curry
9. DeMar Derozen
10: Jonny Flynn

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by Sinigang on May 31, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see the Wizards taking Hill over Harden. If they take Harden, they can play Jamison inside with Haywood and then have Arenas, Harden and Butler on the perimeter. Plus, I’m sure they have Harden over Hill on their big board. Harden is ranked higher pretty much everywhere else.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harden is ranked higher pretty much everywhere else.

Not really. 3-10 is pretty murky, but most rankings (and mock drafts) that I’ve seen in my Hill research have Hill slightly above Harden.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the mock draft board, yes, Hill is ranked higher than Harden and he is on mine as well, but on the big board, I think Harden is ranked higher.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know what you meant, but Hill is usually higher on most big boards too….which makes sense with the mocks as few teams draft for need in the top 5-7.

Thing A

by sam23 on May 31, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Evans going at 17?

by belilaugh on Jun 2, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

too bad Rubio and Jennings

weren’t at the combine to compare to the rest of the field

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by misterjennings on May 31, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How about

we trade Beans Rocky and Maggs (wow thats a lot of nicknames lol) for Amare stoudamire. it worked on nba trade machine so what u guys think.

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by i love sports101 on May 31, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They're also within the division

But I’m sure Kerr would be interested in a trade.

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by ejdacanay on May 31, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If i were Kerr...

I would be more interested in a trade with the W’s. I guess I just don’t see Amare or Bosh wanting to sign an extension with us.

by Sharunas Marchulenis on May 31, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

amare and monta

would be so fun to watch…

but then we’d still need a floor general point guard and a defensive player of the year candidate bigman next to them in order to compete for a championship

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by misterjennings on May 31, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were not even close to be a championship team

we are in rebuilding mode again. We got nice pieces with AR4 Beans and monta. Select Jrue or BJ and bada boom!!! we got a nice core of young players. Once Jack starts to struggle move Randolph to starting small forward and trade Maggs and Crawford for a good power forward. I hope our future starting line up looks like this

PG Jrue Holiday/Brandon Jennings
SG Monta Ellis
SF Anthony Randolph
PF Tyrus Thomas
C Andris Biedrins

Bench C.J. Watson Kellena Azuibuike Anthony morrow Brandan Wright Marco Bellinelli Ronny Turiaf Bulls 2nd round pick

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by i love sports101 on May 31, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A guys

do you think that this is a good deal?? Brandan wright and Jamareo Davidson for Tyrus Thomas

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by i love sports101 on May 31, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What does Thomas bring to the table that Wright doesn’t already?

by Missing Barry on May 31, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One could argue that Wright even has more potential than Thomas, at least at the offensive end.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 31, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyrus

is a lot angrier. Actually caught many of the bulls games this season and I find that he’s a much more assertive and intimidating post defender than Wright at this point. Someone needs to light a fire under Wright.

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by misterjennings on May 31, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas is stronger than Wright

Thomas pulls down more rebounds and scored more than Wright. not to mention he is a better defensive player than Wright

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by i love sports101 on May 31, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas scored more than Wright because he played more minutes. Wright scored more both per shot attempt and per minute played. He was a more efficient and effective scorer than Tyrus. Per minute and by rebounding percentage. Thomas was marginally better on the boards than Wright. The difference was not great.

I do not know if Thomas is a better defensive player. I tend to discount blanket claims like that though as I have found that one of the easiest, least often supported charges on fan boards is to say that a particular player is a better defender than some other player.

by jae on May 31, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their rebound rates are actually almost the exact same. Last year Wright averaged 10.5 rebounds per 40 minutes while Thomas averaged 10.3. This year Wright averaged 9.1 while Thomas averaged 9.3. Wright also had a much higher FG% than Thomas, who frankly, is pretty terrible for a forward. As long as Wright is, he should become at least as good defensively as Thomas – he needs to add some more bulk, but his length makes up for some of that.

by Missing Barry on May 31, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

I have made my decision now. I want the Warriors to take Brandon Jennings. He said that he improved a lot on his defense and after I listened to his interview, he seems to be a young mature kid

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by i love sports101 on May 31, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Our best move

My sense is that we’ve destroyed our national image as a front office and franchise in the last couple years (losing BD, Monta’s moped, Mullin getting tossed) to the point that getting Bosh or any other big free agent is a fantasy.

So this is our best move with a young and contractually locked in core (Ellis, Biedrins, Maggette, Randolph, etc.) We still have a talented team that still lacks a true young leader and superstar, and we have a lot of tradable pieces. We should trying to move up to Oklahoma’s spot. I’ve read that they’re interested in Curry and may want to trade down. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24099667/

My guess is that Memphis will take Thabeet. Conley is a lot better than we all think and Memphis is high on him. Check out the last month of his game log:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4246/

If we offer Azubuike, Wright and our pick at 7 for Oklahoma’s pick at 3, we’ll be able to grab Rubio, really the only true point guard that we know is going to be a stud. The Thunder would love this trade if they want Curry. They’d walk away with Curry, Azubuike, and Wright. Here would be their deeper eight man rotation moving forward:

 Westbrook, Curry, Durant, Green, Krstic, Azubuike, Wright, Sefolosha

Most importantly, we’d get our young point guard to lock in now, which should be a huge priority this offseason. Lets be honest, Ellis is not a point. He has proven to not have the personality, and he’s most suited to do what he did in 07-08, slash and score. By getting Rubio we could lock this core of eight together for the next 3-4 years. They could gel and become something special:

Rubio, Ellis, Jackson, Randolph, Biedrins, Maggette, Turiaf, Morrow

What do you guys think?
 

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by eastbayglory on May 31, 2009 8:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not yet buying into the talk that Memphis will pass on Rubio. I think they may still be fairly high on Conley but that last month isn’t all that impressive. I didn’t do any of the math, but his %s didn’t look great, nor did his ast/to ratio. He put up some decent scoring and ast numbers but he was also logging a lot of minutes.
  If they are going to pass on Rubio, then I think Buike, Wright and the 7 is a fairly reasonable offer to OKC. I’d see if we couldn’t squeeze Kyle Weaver out of them too, but I think Sac and Washington would also make offers for Rubio.

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by sam23 on May 31, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Missing Barry

look at this

another one

you still think Brandan Wright is better??

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by i love sports101 on May 31, 2009 8:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whh9ZCFoYLQ

What’s your point? Highlight video’s don’t mean a whole lot. The point is they’re essentially the same player. Neither of them has much offensive game to speak of. Thomas is more explosive but Wright is longer. They’re both too skinny to be effective on ball post defenders right now. They rebound the same, they can both block shots off the ball. They both have a lot of potential, but haven’t really tapped into much of it yet. What point is there in trading Wright to try to get Thomas? If anything, Wright is younger and cheaper and under control longer.

by Missing Barry on May 31, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wright is younger and cheaper and under control longer.

+1

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by sam23 on May 31, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your right

but if I had a choice it has to be Thomas

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by i love sports101 on May 31, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barring injuries

I’d still take Wright. He’s been statistically better in his very, very short career. Plus watching Thomas the past few seasons he really hasn’t been impressive outside of dunking and blocks. Not much different than Wright. If there was a hypothetical trade, it would be sideways at best.

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by kenntoe on May 31, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Everybody

By far this has been my most successful post ever. Thank you guys for commenting keep em comin!!!

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by i love sports101 on May 31, 2009 9:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i look at it as who's the best defensive pg in the draft.

and holiday is that guy. non of the others will improve our defense. remember that is our main problem. He has enough skill on the offensive end that you can say he can be at least a rondo type but bigger with better shot. we don’t need more points. we need to stop people from scoring.

by KeepdaCore on Jun 1, 2009 9:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i totally agree with this

other than him being like rondo…that we will have to wait to see!

but ya…defense is our main issue…we can already score with the best of them…and that was with bad cj/belli/crawford runnin the point

we just need to be able to have a good perimiter defense in our backcourt and a decent/improving man to man defender like holiday to help us actually win….and everything in the combines points to him being a willing passer and having a much improved jump shot.

none of the other points in the draft have been said to have good defense other than holiday…combines with his size and willingness to pass….he would be ideal to have either along side monta or as a backup to monta (if monta becomes our PG in the long run, which i doubt)

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by LostHawk on Jun 1, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, Jrue seems like the logical pick...

But when’s the last time the Warriors made a logical decision?

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by kenntoe on Jun 1, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Randolph at #14 was pretty damn logical, no?

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 1, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well yah,

it was him or thompson. we got lucky. hopefully wolves will help this year

by KeepdaCore on Jun 1, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm...

Kings picked Thompson 2 picks before us. So, um no, it was him or:

Robin Lopez, Mareese Speights, JaVale McGee, Nick Batum, Kosta Kofus, Roy Hibbert, JJ Hickson.

Yeah, there weren’t really any other logical choices.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 1, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

first 4 of those are centers, so.....no.

unless we were moving AB. leading up to the draft only AR and Thompson were mentioned.

by KeepdaCore on Jun 1, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You missed the entire point

Thompson was off the board. The only logical option was Randolph, as the rest of the folks were not so good. Thus, they made the logical pick.

Leading up to the draft, Speights, McGee, Lopez, and Hickson were being discussed on this board.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 2, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speights showed a of potential last year, you might not have gotten exposed to it outside of Philly (where I currently reside). That said, I still agree that he isn’t quite up to Randolph’s level.

by Missing Barry on Jun 2, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is definitely true

But between Randolph and Speights, even at the time, Randolph was the logical choice. Especially given our “up and down the court” style of play.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 2, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

right now i dont even want jennings or holiday i think theyre both overrated

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by gorillas on Jun 1, 2009 8:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

right now apart of me is thinking that the second half of the first round is more promising than the first half (aside from blake griffin)…it wouldnt hurt to trade down the pick for a late first rounder and then get another solid player as well. we could pick up a guy like terrence williams, eric maynor, marcus thornton, or sam young etc

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by gorillas on Jun 1, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

clark would be worthy to trade down to get...even williams/maynor

other than that it seems bleak….unless we just want a backup PG like collison

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