Polling GSoM: Which "hoops quad" will be the kings of Northern California in 2k9-2k10?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 10, 2009 9:30 AM PDT
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There's a new coach in Northern California. He's an oldie, but goodie. 5-time All-Star Paul Westphal will be named the head coach of the Sacramento Kings later today. [Basketball Reference: coaching record | playing record]
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Jump for some linkage and a look the the Warriors and Kings' hoops quads.
From Sactown Royalty:
- Kings to Hire Paul Westphal
- How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the WESTPHAL
- Spinning Kurt Rambis
Westphal is expected to hire Dallas Mavericks assistant Mario Elie, and strongly consider ex-Phoenix and Milwaukee Bucks coach Terry Porter and veteran NBA assistant Brian James. Bryan Gates, a rising star in the NBA's D-League for the Idaho Stampede, is expected to be a strong candidate for a spot on the staff.
- Coach Don Nelson- Undoubtedly a coaching legend and hoops genius, but does he have the patience and will to right this sinking ship?
- Shooting Guard Monta Ellis- His immaturity was the #1 reason the Warriors couldn't even reach 30 wins in 2008-2009. Can his resurgence be the #1 reason for the team's improvement in 2009-2010?
- Power Forward Anthony Randolph- An enigma in all senses of the word. A breakout season looks to be on the horizon for this young man.
- Center Andris Biedrins- Guaranteed double-double without much defense. Troy Murphy without a jumpshot?
- Coach: Paul Westphal- He might not be the most exciting coaching hire right now, but he does have a proven track record in this league.
- Shooting Guard Kevin Martin- His defense this past season was Monta Ellis bad (see what happens when these guys square off), but he is a top notch shooter and scorer.
- Power Forward Jason Thompson- This guy's a beast. If he cuts down on the fouls, he's going to have a break out season next year.
- Center Spencer Hawes- Easily the smallest name of out these 6 players, but take a look at these numbers he put up post All-Star break: 13.8 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2.5 ast : 2.3 to, 0.7 blocks, and 0.6 steals in 33:42 minutes. Will he make a name for himself next year?
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Always gotta vote the Kings
But, that’s me.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This poll might be more challenging if it weren’t for the suckitude that is Spencer Hawes.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm too busy obsessing about Paul Westphal
I’m going to ignore his opinion.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh
Here we go again.
Man, AB1, you weren’t kidding…
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 10, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly
I still think it’s a clean sweep for Oakland:
Nellie > Westphal
Monta > KMart
Randolph > Thompson
Biedrins > Hawes
Also: Wright, Buike, Morrow, Turiaf, CJ >>>>> Salmons, Garcia, Jackson, Miller, Udrih
Plus: the Bay Area >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sacramento.
On the plus side for them, the #4 pick might end up better than the #7. (Especially Rubio slips to #4).
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Given that Salmons and Miller aren’t on their squad anymore, we really get more production from our guys than Sac gets from Salmons or MIller.
At their best, I think Monta and Martin are a pretty even pair. Randolph and Thompson? Too early to tell. Randolph owns him on the boards, but Thompson will probably get more recognition for scoring points.
It comes down to Biedrins/Hawes
And that isn’t even close.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ Salmons & Miller
You don’t watch the Kings at all if you think their exodus puts the roster at a loss.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn’t say that it would make the team worse. he said that our roster will produce more for the warriors than salmons and miller will produce for the kings. how can you argue with that?
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't
The better question is why would I want either on my roster at this point.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really, so you think their rtrade value is the same? hardly? The rest of the league would line up
for Randolph. Not so much for Thompson. That speaks as to what the experts think. Randolph has star wrtten all over him. Thompson = a decent player.
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ Randolph is a star
Who is a homer and who isn’t here. Ha.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I think that Randolph was more productive (the much better rebounding speaks loudly IMHO), I think the larger perceived value is that Randolph is a few years younger and thus is seen as having more “upside”. Whether or not this is true remains to be seen, but that reasoning is not foreign to NBA GMs.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'oh.
That’ll learn me to flap my gums on GSoM when I’m at work. Given that I watched every game of the Celtics/Bulls epic series, you’d think the Salmons/Miller—Gooden/Nocioni semi-blockbuster would have stuck in my head. Senior moment.
Also, jae … thanks for pointing out KMart’s impressive TS%. At a cursory glance at this season’s numbers, I had gotten it into my head that he had regressed this season. He had, but only slightly. The drops in fg% (.420) and reb/36 (3.4), and rise in to/36 (2.7) are concerning; but as you say, the TS% was still stellar — .601, fueled partly by his ridiculously good 9.7 fta/36. I had forgotten how good he is at getting himself to the line. 9.7 fta is Wade-esque — nay, better than Wade-esque, as Mr. Charity Stripe himself only mustered a paltry 9.2. Basically, given that KMart doesn’t miss FTs, you can count on 8-9 points a game from him before he takes a single (official) shot. Impressive. Maybe the most important hoops truism you’ve taught me since I’ve been posting here is that a player’s fta/36, reb/36 and TS% covary amazingly tightly with his contribution to wins. (I also learned that “covary” sounds way cooler than “correlate.”)
Still … if you switch in the two ex-Bulls, and replace the “>” than in the Monta equation with a “=”, I stand by my overall assessment in the Sac v GS smackdown. I guess the tiebreaking x-factor in Monta v. KMart would be if Monta can make a Devin Harris-type move from combo-guard to legit PG. As our friend the pookey-man likes to say … “we shall see.”
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 11, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sleepy
TZ had a post that showed Kevin’ 2pt% declining while his 3 pt% increased with his FT’s being nearly the same rate (or slightly higher I can’t remember).
It was pretty interesting. Unfortunately I’m unable to find the link. Sorry.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
two things
the Bay sucks, and Martin is a better asset than Ellis, if not the hands-down better player.
Randolph/Thompson way too early to tell at this point, call it a draw.
Biedrins is good for your team, Hawes is just as good for ours. Hawes=Biedrins.
Nellie vs Westphal? Nellie>Westphal, there is your advantage.
by VenomySnicket on Jun 10, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bay doesn’t suck.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 10, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bay has one purpose
A cheaper alternative for me to fly into than Sacramento.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man that central valley is sure awesome, so close to….cows?
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah just like Pleasanton
And half the East Bay.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If by close to cows you mean, close to the central valley which has lots of cows, then sure.
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That works real well for Sacramento seeing as their isn't any cows there
But, you would actually have to go within the city limits rather than running your mouth to know that.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which would mean driving through the central valley to get there. No thanks.
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawes is just as good for ours.
True, but only if your goal is to be terrible. Centers who neither rebound nor score efficiently are not good if your goal is to win. Hawes misses far too many shots, rarely gets to the line and is a terrible rebounder for a big man. It’s nice that fans have hope, but by objective measures, he has not helped win games. There is not a rational argument that he’s played well. He hasn’t.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly
have you ever actually watched Spencer? jeez.
by VenomySnicket on Jun 10, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so does he rebound well, get to the line or score efficiently? or do you think that those things don’t matter for a good center? which of the points do you disagree with?
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have I watched Spencer? Yeah. I have. If I was depending on hope against reason for him to make a team I cared about better, I’d say from what I saw that he has a nice jump shot and seems to move fluidly and seems to see the court well and makes good passes.
But memory and observation are selective and it’s tough to really see the subtle differences that on average make the difference in a couple of rebounds over the course of a game, though it makes a difference in terms of how much he’ll help a team win. Similarly, it’s tough, just from watching, to see the difference between a 45% shooter and a 50% shooter. It might be an extra missed shot per game, but it adds up. It’s also generally tough, just by watching, to see the difference between a guy who gets to the line once or twice a game vs. someone who gets to the line every quarter, but again, that difference adds up.
No matter how good you think he looks, he’s a below average rebounder and is below average in scoring efficiency for a guy at his position and he doesn’t get to the line enough. There aren’t style points awarded in basketball. Those rebounds he doesn’t get, those shots he misses, those trips to the line he’s not getting really do matter. If you’re depending on what you see to say he’s a good player, that what he’s done helps win more often than not, you’re seeing an illusion.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec’d not for the comments on hawes (which i agree with), but for the general commentary on the difference between being a fan and being a scout. watching games for entertainment is much different than taking it all in and fully understanding what happened. statistics and scouting go a long way in adding to our knowledge of the game.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
biedrens is a million times better than hawes. besides shooting hawes has nothind on andris
by alexortman on Jun 10, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Shooting” implies “making shots”. Hawes has “range” enough to make him take shots he keeps on missing. That kind of range I can do without.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a good thing that Kings fans don't want Randolph either
Or Ellis, or for that matter, anybody else on the Dubs roster.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you really want to argue with the rate ellis hits shots? that seems foolish.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
never mind, misunderstood what you were getting at.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I don't want to argue with Monta Ellis rate of hitting shots
I’d rather have Kevin Martin. Case closed.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
case closed about your preference? ok, but i don’t see why that matters.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok you made your point. Good bye!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Goodbye?
Nah. I’m bored.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bay sucks?
The Anthony Randolph and Jason Thompson thing is not even close. AR is waayyy better than Thompson. He’s more versatile offensively and a much better defender than JT. The only thing the Kings got on us is….. um…… give me a minute. Monta >>>>>> Kevin Martin
We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 10, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
AR is not a better defender than JT. He blocks more shots, but I’m pretty sure my dog could post him up. Versatility? JT can play 3 positions effectively. Randolph, 2, in Nellie’s system no less.
by VenomySnicket on Jun 10, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8-UzMjWPAM
JT is overrated…randolph will be an all star within 5 seasons
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Biedrins is = to Hawes? What are you smokin? Randolph is way better than that Chris Paul lookin wannabe. and I think if both players are playing at their top level, Monta is better than Martin.
P.S. The Bay is the place to be!!!
The Bay is the place to be!!
by Mashed Potatoes on Jun 10, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s wrong with Hawes? You mean beyond the two most important things for a big man? Scoring efficiently and rebounding?
(Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?)
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 points
1. He was only 20 last season, a full 2 years younger than jason thompson (for ex). And The youngest starting nba center
2. He plays alot of high post and outside. Falls a little too in-love with his outside shot, which BTW is very good. Over time it should improve. Should his shot become even better and he’s another memhet okur, you’re telling me that makes him a bad player because he isnt stereotypical back to basket center?
3. His rebounding rate is 10 per 40mins. Not good but not awful. It should improve as he matures..
by tafkasam on Jun 10, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. he might get better, but right now, is not good. he rebounds terribly and scores inefficiently.
2. falling in love with his outside shot is a much bigger problem than you seem to be arguing. the long 2 is the worst shot in basketball. it doesn’t get you to the line and only gets you 2 points. stereotypical back to the basket centers don’t have that problem, though if you don’t want a back to the basket type center, make sure he can hit the 3 really well and drive to the hoop for contact and trips to the line.
3. 10 rebounds per 40 is really bad for a center.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
biedrens is also young, and a lot better. hawes will improve, but so will biedrens. early in the season, when biedrens was getting 15 boards per game, he was considered an allstar. not to say that he is that good, but thats at least his potential
by alexortman on Jun 10, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was only 20 last season, a full 2 years younger than jason thompson (for ex). And The youngest starting nba center
This suggests that maybe he can get better at some aspects of his game. It doesn’t make anything he did (past tense) better. He could improve. It’s not a given, especially in rebounding, an area where he wasn’t good in college, wasn’t good his first two years, and didn’t show any real improvement from year one to year two.
He plays alot of high post and outside. Falls a little too in-love with his outside shot, which BTW is very good. Over time it should improve. Should his shot become even better and he’s another memhet okur, you’re telling me that makes him a bad player because he isnt stereotypical back to basket center?
It makes him a bad player if he falls in love with a shot that he doesn’t make that often, that is neither a high percentage shot, nor a three pointer nor one that is likely to get him to the foul line. Unless you’re deadly accurate, the long 2 is a terrible shot, especially for a big man as it is a shot often missed and he’s not in a position to rebound either. Should his shot become better, he could become a productive scorer, but this isn’t a given. Okur is both a more efficient shooter and he gets fouled more often. I think you have a rather liberal definition of “very good” to describe Hawes’s outside shot. Are you basing it on style points? What it looks like? The accuracy isn’t very good. It’s ok but nothing more than that.
3. His rebounding rate is 10 per 40mins. Not good but not awful. It should improve as he matures..
I could improve, but there’s no reason that it should. Most players do not significantly improve their rebound rates as they mature. It happens. Some guys get better, but they’re the exception. The general trend is that a player’s rebound rate early in his career is a pretty good indicator of the kind of rebounder he’ll be later in his career.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well then all that potential stuff said about AR applies here
he could get better, but you never know
by luckybastard on Jun 11, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph doesn’t need to get better at rebounding to be successful. If he rebounds like he did last year, he’ll continue to be elite. For the year, Randolph was one of the more productive rookies per minute on the court because of his rebounding. Rebounding is about the toughest thing for a player to improve upon. It almost never happens. Shooting efficiency seems to be something players can improve. It’s not a given at all that it will improve for Randolph, but in contrast to Hawes, it’s not something that Randolph needs to improve to not be a detriment on the court as Hawes is when he checks into games.
by jae on Jun 11, 2009 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't vote on the poll
I was confused as to why Monta is listed as a SG. Is Jamal starting at pg? Nellie made it pretty clear last night that Monta is our PG, regardless of who we draft. Did you get the inside scoop on a trade that we dont know about AB1?
by myk on Jun 10, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You give me too much credit my friend. Feel free to just count Monta as a Combo/ PG Guard.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 10, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No invasion from the sactown royalty?
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jun 10, 2009 11:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
21 votes so far...
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 10, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe....
I kinda think both sets are going to suck next season…
by yobo on Jun 10, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, there’s that, but that doesn’t mean that they’re going to suck equally.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
myk when did nelson say that
cause i think that Monta should be giving a whole season at PG
by GSW9 on Jun 10, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WARRIORS
the warriors were only two spots out of the playoffs last year. i know they were a ways back in terms of games behind, but i dont seem them doing worse than they did last year considering all of the the injuries they suffered last year.
plus they have a lot of oppertunities in the off season, when they deal away magette and crawford (also hearing some rumors of belinelli and wright going away), and they got the 7th pick which will give them a quality player. they are really going to have to screw up bad not to improve.
but i think k mart is the best player on the two teams. hes a baller! but besides that, kings dont have much working in their favor. they were supposed to get the first pick, but got the worst they could have hoped for with the 4th. and the potential for their players are nothing compared to that of the warriors.
GSW for life
by alexortman on Jun 10, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Paul Westphal = Reggie Theus
(i.e. player turned coaches who aren’t really all that good at coaching.)
by yobo on Jun 10, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well except that Westphal has won 63% of his games at the pro level
But, yeah, you’re right.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pook, these guys don't really seem like they've even watched a Kings game outside of the ones we've played with the Dubs
so we should just leave it at that. I kind of feel like we are the pony trying to convince the zebra that we are the only horse around.
Why don’t we just agree that we all hate the Lakers and have the dubs fans save their ignorance for game days.
by VenomySnicket on Jun 10, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds fair Venomy
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know...
…it’s not too attractive to be picking fights, man. That goes for us on this board, too, but I’m not sitting here calling (or typing) about you being ignorant. That sort of blunt, ad hominem (owing to the very limited contexts we understand each other) attack might be better suited to… well, I was gonna make a joke about Westphal and Rush Limbaugh, but apparently Don Nelson has at least once eaten dinner with both of theml. Then again, I don’t particularly admire Don Nelson, but at this juncture, the joke’s potential moment has come and gone, and to try to go back would be suicide.
by Zack Vank on Jun 10, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that's right
Because Paul Westphal and Rush Limbaugh are so incredibly linked to each other.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess...
…I’d agree that a friendship constitutes an incredible link between two people, when you consider you probably bump into countless thousands in life that you never talk to again. I’m not even arguing that this makes him a bad coach or is of any particular consequence, beyond the fact that if he wins a championship maybe I’ll get to see him and Rush sucking stogies on the cover of Cigar Afficionado.
by Zack Vank on Jun 10, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
You’re going to have to explain this. Because, among other things, I don’t get it.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah...
….couple years ago I saw a picture in that magazine of Rush Limbaugh puffing a big cigar with a very satisfied smirk. That’s sort of the default thing I think of, now, when I think of him. I think the NY Times did a profile on him that involved some artsy black and white cigar smokin’ glamour shots, too. Granted, they weren’t as good as the magazine cover Westphal’s already got under his belt, as this thread’s header proves… still cleaner than Don Nelson ever looked in a uniform, though.
by Zack Vank on Jun 10, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Well, I’m hoping that your statement proves how much you like (or like in my case dislike) Limbaugh.
It’s funny you mention the Westphal cover because I’ve seen that a couple times other than TZ and his first time posting it on StR a few weeks ago.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to be a lot of Kings optimism around here. Kind of surprising how much for a 17 win team…
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
those 17 wins speak volumes.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike the Dubs
We have Geoff Petrie. What do the Dubs have? Robert Rowell? Yeah, we can afford to be a bit more optimistic. And at least our team has made the playoffs the majority of this decade. You can have your “We Believe” team.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way with regards to the teams we have now, your team was terrible last year, and ours was significantly better despite missing our best player most of the season. Yet somehow you wouldn’t want any of our players. That sure makes sense….
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
I want a crappy poorly built Warriors team to replace my crappy less poorly built Kings team. Logic my child: You’re missing it.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
arrogance my child: you’re full of it
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And proud of it
However I’m not wrong.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a foundation of kevin martin, jason thompson, and spencer hawes is reason to be arrogant? when you’ve got that foundation, lots of cash tied up in beno udrih and nothing else but hope that you’ll land a big time free agent, there’s really not much to be arrogant about.
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by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes indeedy
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he's praying
the grizz go for a bad offer and the kings land rubio
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would they want rubio? they’ve already got beno udrih!
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
beno!!! ya thats a nice signing!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this isn't in defense of why the Dubs signed Maggette
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can have Maggette
I’d rather have Martin warts & all.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know... funny thing. Magette is our 6th man and
Martin is as good as you have. Pretty funny huh?
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Which tells you how delusional I am. Which means what when you keep arguing with me about how valuable Maggette is again?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really hope that no warriors fan would dispute that martin is better than maggette…
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one is
but maggs is our 6th man, not our #1 man
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet he's more overpaid than Beno Udrih is
Isn’t that a problem when allocating resources in the future? It makes little sense to pay a 6th man 10 million a year for a guy who plays 60 games, if that.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never said it was a good deal
but…for a 6th man he is one of the best in the league
kmart for a #1 man…bad
JT for #2 man…bad
??? for #x man….bad
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well who is the Warriors best player?
Who is the #2 player? the 3rd?
This argument goes both ways.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ellis randolph andris jackson maggs buki turiaf morrow
in that order
o and btw…our backup center > ur center
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can have your team
I can have mine.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought beno was for getting rid of farts?
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always wondered what use it had
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I'm hoping for Jennings
But, sure, whatever floats your boat.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your team floats if you know what I mean.
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes
My team sucks. But, at least I know why.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well here’s something we can agree on.
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i pray u guys take jennings
i dont want another bad defender on a bad defensive team
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There ya go
I hope we get Jennings because I think he has the talent to be the best player in the draft. Why waste him on the Dubs?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope u guys take him
i really really really do
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See we agree
I knew Stevie Wonder was up to something.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If sacto drafts jennings i bet he stays in Italy or holds out and demands a trade like Stevie Francis did
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah even though he didn't participate in the Eurocamp because he was tired of being Italy and couldn't wait to get him to LA
Un huh, sure. Way to show actual knowledge of the situation there bud. We are so proud you show how well the Californian education system works. Or, in this case, how well it doesn’t.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
home to LA^
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.hoopsdaily.com/vb-rankings-report
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does that have to do with this?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An unbiased opinion of talent. Not your opinion, not mine
Looks like the experts like the W’s talent a lot better.
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes
The “experts”.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care actually
Think it’s rather funny truthfully.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahah
ya probably….who would wanna play for sac….let alone live in sac
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Webber
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
chris webber
couldnt handle nellie….nellie was the problem….
only few young players that are talent can handle dealin with nellie…
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And so the Warriors traded him
For less value than he was worth. So it goes.
But, that harks back to your original question: Who would want to play in Sac? Vlade Divac, Chris Webber, Peja Stojakovic, Mike Bibby to name 4.
It’s a rather easy question.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Pookeyguru
I bet everyone on the Sacramento queens roster was praying that they did not get drafted or signed with the queens
The Bay is the place to be!!
by Mashed Potatoes on Jun 10, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Who are the Sacramento Queens again?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll...
…concur that that’s not the most clever barb. Not one of Shaq’s finest, not that he has many.
by Zack Vank on Jun 10, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're saying Shaq's an idiot
Than I can wholeheartedly agree with that.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
However there is only one problem
I have no interest in signing a big time FA as it’s entirely pointless given how the current system works. Also, the Kings being in a small market does not help them in this area.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you’re excited about your current roster that doesn’t actually win games?
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited about the potential this roster has
Whether they will win games or not is to be determined.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are quite wrong if you think that Hawes has played well. He has not. You are also very likely fooling yourself if you think he’ll develop into an efficient scoring center who can rebound his position. History does not suggest that these things often develop. It could, but the safe money says that it won’t.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given the circumstances of Hawes first 2 years
I’ll be willing to bet against history.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had he demonstrated that he was an adequate rebounder in college, I might too, but there’s nothing to suggest that he’s improving and he wasn’t good in college either. Nothing suggests that he’ll turn into a good rebounder. Nothing at all.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He played 1 year Jae
Players don’t improve at things as they get older/stronger etc etc?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players don’t improve at things as they get older/stronger etc etc?
At some things, yes. At rebounding? Not that often.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man you guys are arrogant for a 17 win team.
Can osmeone tell me when the last time was the W’s won as few as 17 games?
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn skippy I'm arrogant
I’ll take the postiion where the Kings are at over the Warriors are at right now every time.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good players, my child. You’re missing them. Our players may not be the best but they’re sure as hell better than yours.
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are the Dubs
But hey, who cares right?
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the dubs clearly have more good players than the kings, as evidenced by our injury riddled team winning 12 more games than the kings.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes
Whatever led me to believe that a roster built around Monta Ellis, Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Andris Biedrins, Anthony Randolph, Kelenna Azuibuike, and Branden Wright is going to be aces.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey you got it down! Thats good for something. I couldn;t name 4 guys on Sacto!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which only shows what you don't know
Not what you do know.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do people say kmart > ellis?
ellis is more efficient
ellis is a better finisher around the rim
ellis is a better rebounder
ellis is better in the passing lanes (better stealing)
they both suck at defense horribly
ellis is a better distributor
the only thing martin’s got better than ellis is a 3 pnt shot and freethrower….which ellis is improving quickly
ellis >>>> kmart….its not even close
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 6:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so based on this (this is all base don career stats)
nellie >> other guy
ellis >> kmart
randolph == JT (but imo randolph >> JT…but since we dont have enough evidence)
andris >> hawes (this isnt even close…)
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For once
I agree with you LostHawk
The Bay is the place to be!!
by Mashed Potatoes on Jun 10, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's close, and probably in Martin's favor.
Ellis has not, for the most part, been more efficient than Martin. Martin is a much, much better long range shooter and takes more 3s. Ironically, he’s also significantly better at getting to the FT line than Ellis (who is reasonably good at that) which usually does not go hand in hand with taking 3 pointers. Getting to the line is huge and Martin’s in elite company there. Being a ‘better finisher’ really doesn’t matter if you’re not a more efficient scorer, and Monta is not more efficient than Martin.
Ellis is the better passer and rebounder. He’s also flashier, but on balance, I think Martin is the more valuable player. (It’s not enough to offset the Hawes suckitude though).
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhhh??
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2394
vs
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2394
id say ellis is more efficient…his fg% is better….he basically never takes 3s, so his low 3pnt% should not be a factor….i agree his FT % is worse…but he is still a relatively good FT shooter
id rather have ellis if simply because he passes far more and better….and rebounds significantly better
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta look at the proportions they shoot the shots in. Martin’s TS% is >60%.
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk
id rather have ellis any day
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fine, just making sure you don’t underestimate how efficiently Martin scores when making that decision.
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ellis
is almost as efficient….more willing to distribute….better ‘defense’ (steals)…and a better rebounder
id take ellis any day
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis is not really almost as efficient. In his best season, Ellis was significantly worse than Martin has been for his entire career. Save his first year in the league, Martin has had a TS% over 60%. That’s not good, that phenomenal. It’s damn near the tops for guards. It may be the only thing that give Martin value, but it’s good enough that it certainly makes him very, very valuable.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
That is the single most accurate statement made about the Kings here
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rec'd you for the truth
"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas
by submison on Jun 10, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis’s low 3 pt percentage doesn’t drag him down, but the high percentage of Martin’s shots from beyond the arc bring him up. So do the many trips to the line. FT attempts is far, far more important than FT percentage for player value.
As a factor of points scored per shots taken including shots that don’t get recorded as FGAs because of a foul, Martin makes more points per shot. (Those shots not recorded count since they’re generally the conclusion of a possession, and scoring efficiency is all about points per possession.) TS% is the estimate of this, and it’s a really, really good estimate. This isn’t a debatable point. He really is a more efficient scorer than Ellis.
by jae on Jun 10, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a lot more efficient than a lot of players
It’s not just Monta Ellis he ranks ahead of.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
…about Martin, although knowing as I (and GSoM at large) do that jae is a statistical wonder and a great writer, I would urge you to look at his views on Spencer Hawes. Seeing as he’s come to your defense in what is in essence a cross-blog scrum, I think it’s earned, no?
by Zack Vank on Jun 10, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that's right
I just ignored everything he wrote because I felt like he was a biased completely illogical Warriors homer.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness...
…ths is the sort of thing that sounds snarky, especially over the internet, but I can’t tell if your preceding comment was sarcasm or not, and I’d like to know, Again, I’m not being an asshole, just an honest question.
by Zack Vank on Jun 10, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he has statistical bent
The point I’m making is that I feel it’s a bit difficult to justify, just with numbers, what a 29 win team did over a 17 win team. Neither were very good last season.
Were the Warriors better? Sure. So much better than it matters to me? No.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
…Martin is the more valuable player, although with our team as it’s currently constituted you wouldn’t see much difference if they swapped. We’re a mess, as are the Kings. I suspect Westphal is a better investment at this stage in his career than Nelson is, previous acumen aside,.
by Zack Vank on Jun 10, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quite honestly
I don’t care who is more valuable between Martin & Ellis, even though I think the stats (in this case reasonable to use) would point toward Martin being more valuable. Moving on.
I don’t like the Warriors, and that starts with Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell. I don’t know much about their power structure lower than that, but quite honestly, I don’t need to. Those two are bad enough.
I don’t like the Warriors salary cap situation. The Kings have had a messy cap due to when they were an elite team in the West 5 years ago. The Kings signed a lot of their players (or brought players they traded away for players on the roster) that were built to continue that winning structure that was in place.
Thankfully, Eric Musselman proved how valuable Rick Adelman was. Reggie Theus only reinforced this fact.
Do I like where the Warriors are at? Not realy no. I don’t like Ellis as a PG because I think it’s not very natural with him and his preferred style. We will see though. Players have changed their careers in mid-stream (Mike Bibby did it in fact) from what they did earlier in their career. Maybe Monta can do it. We will see.
As far as Jackson, Maggette, and Azubuike, the Warriors can have them. As far as I’m concerned they have a bunch of overpaid talent (other than Jackson) who have done little when it’s really mattered (especially Maggette). You can add Crawford to the list with Maggette.
I don’t like how the Warriors are built unless Randolph becomes a strong secondary ball handler ala Lamar Odom, and Ellis develops this area of his game as well. I don’t like Don Nelson at all (never have starting with his first go around in the Bay), and I don’t like the mix of players that the Dubs have.
Can it work? Sure, it can. Will it? Only time, and player devevelopment, will answer this.
But, if the question is, would I rather be in the King situation versus the Warriors situation, there is no question i would rather have the Kings situation right now.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
…a lot of our disagreements have more to due with how we’re framing the question than our feelings about the Warriors situation. I don’t like Nelson either (although I’d take ten of him before another Rowell or Cohan), and you’re right to cite that as a legitimate point to be considered. If the ownership group and staffs were to be traded, I’d be thrilled, because I’d rather have the Kings management, too.
We obviously diverge about the merits of the players on the court. I’d like to have Jackson at his original contract value and then shop him or try to sort out a more sensible deal. I also wish we hadn’t signed Maggette, although he had stretches last year of admirable competence. I think our main disagreement is about the young guys both teams have coming up, with both of us being somewhat lukewarm on what the other’s got.
by Zack Vank on Jun 10, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well stated and thought out
Because that’s exactly what it is.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should check Martin’s stats. Dude scores a lot more efficiently than you think (and more efficiently than Ellis).
by Missing Barry on Jun 10, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly.... Moanta last full season he shot over 53%! Martin has not come close to 50%. Plus Monta
averages more assists per game and more rebounds. This dicussion is over!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TS% is a better indicator of how efficiently a player scores and per game numbers aren’t a useful stat when it comes to determining what a player can do. rate numbers work much better.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In which case
Martin’s TS% for the last 3 seasons are: ,601 (09), ,618 (08), and .614.
Monta’s TS% for the last 3 seasons are: ,503, ,580, and .545.
Martin is far better in TS% than Monta. I win! I win!
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was defending martin on that one. you didn’t win, you agreed. settle down, cowboy.
martin is the better scorer and considering how little else martin and monta do on the court, probably even a slightly better player. that said, we’ll see what happens next year with monta at the point; that could change a lot.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could change with Martin being healthy for the first time in several years too
His defense especially was hampered by his ankle.
The “I win” thing was snarky. I understand you were making the point that TS% is a far better indicator of efficiency.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the martin/monta argument in general is silly. they are very close in terms of quality and considering monta and martin’s health and monta’s move to the point guard spot, there’s a lot that’s up in the air with those two.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree it is silly
I don’t like having it, and usually, I won’t even bother.
But, I definitely agree there is a lot up in the air for each starting with their health.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
while we’re on the subject of silly arguments, the comparitve merits of a 17 win team and a 29 win team, both of whom are at least one and possibly two very good players away from being contenders certainly qualifies, no? i think the warriors are quite a bit closer, but the cap tie ups certainly hinder them in the years to come. once again, way too much up in the air to make real arguments about. especially if you guys land rubio (i am intentionally ignoring your remarks that you’d prefer jennings; there’s no comparison between the two. rubio looks much better).
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Jennings more
which if you asked me that a month ago, I would have told you to go, umm, you know, yourself.
I dont’ think the KIngs have a real shot at Rubio because the Grizzlies will be doing everything in their power to leverage him for something more valuable than the Kings can, or should, give up.
As far as the Warriors/Kings being closer, we shall see.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, ok, so it’s not a comparison of them as players, so much as what you’d need to give up to get rubio. that makes sense; i’d imagine the asking price is high.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 10, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Memphis
wants the #4 pick and Jason Thompson for the #2 pick. That’s too much for us.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
by Aykis16 on Jun 10, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if only you could trade hawes and the 4; that’d be a steal for you.
sorry, couldn’t resist.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 11, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL MOANTA
LOL!!
The Bay is the place to be!!
by Mashed Potatoes on Jun 10, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok lets see what the experts say.....
http://www.hoopsdaily.com/vb-rankings-report
Three warriors rated higher than Martin. Case closed!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ya!
ellis at 33, randolph at 35, andris 39….clean sweep of the queens
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawk on Jun 10, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What cha got now pookeyguru??!!?
The Bay is the place to be!!
by Mashed Potatoes on Jun 10, 2009 8:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What I got now?
Watermelon Bubble Gum. Whatcha got?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh & mashed
Those pictures you posted in the fanpost on StR are real cute.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only redeeming value of this pissing contest between fans of the worst of the west
… is no one has commented on how, um, unflattering that picture of the new Sac coach is (and props for that) but …
the rest is really one shade short of pathetic – really, my shi**y defending guard is better than yours, my limited C is better than yours, my potential PF has more upside than yours, my crappy owner is better than yours …
is this the level we’ve fallen to?
by hardcore on Jun 10, 2009 9:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn lighten up. After listen to you guys hammer the team
the coach, and management post after post, day after day, there is no need for us to sit back and take it form a freakin Kings fan. Now go kick your dog and if you wan,t find a team you like better. While it may be a peice of crap, it is OUR piece of crap and I will defend it to the end angainst some farmer from foreclosure land!
by dungeness crabdribble on Jun 10, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a farmer
My land hasn’t been disclosed on because I don’t own any, and consider YOUR dog kicked.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the headlining post
good stuff.
"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas
by submison on Jun 10, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well
enjoy your team sac fans before they move to san jose….
my code name is "kelenna bahongpuki"
by VonteegoCummings on Jun 10, 2009 11:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Kings fan
Joining the argument a little late.
Here’s my two sense. As per your little poll, I think the Warriors are going to have a better record than the Kings next year, I really do. But it won’t be by a lot.
And the year after that, I think the Kings will have the better record.
I think the Kings are in a better situation for shaping the next decade. Our core is really young (yours is pretty young as well), and we have a lot less money tied up in players over a long period of time. We also are going to be able to draft 3 players in this draft, the 4th, 23, and 31st picks. That’s pretty much 3 first rounders, with a great drafter in Petrie at the helm. I like our front office better than yours, they’ve proven they can build a winning team as well.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
by Aykis16 on Jun 10, 2009 11:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sidenote
Always found it amusing how the same people up North that have negative things to say about the Bay Area and the Warriors are usually sporting a Raiders (49ers) bumper sticker on their car pickup truck or an A’s (Giants) hat on their heads….
But i guess you don’t necessarily have to think too highly of the people here to root for our teams…..especially when you don’t have any other option proximity-wise….
errr…Go Rivercats?
by Blue and Yellow on Jun 11, 2009 8:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's funny you mention that
When the AAA club comes close to outdrawing the ML club over a several years span, as it has this decade, than that might suggest how much actual interest fans in the Bay Area generally have in supporting the A’s. That is, unless, they’re being front-runners.
I’m an A’s fan because the first game I saw had Walt Weiss, Carney Lansford, Dave Henderson among others.
I’ve stayed in part because there was never any real reason to change a baseball team. But, that had nothing to do with proximity. I’ve always liked the basetball teams. It had nothing to do with the Coliseum being 90 miles from where I grew up.
I imagine there are alot of A’s/Giants fans who feel the same way. One could argue that the A’s are ignoring a large market in Sacramento to take the red-headed stepchild of which the A’s currently have being located in the East Bay.
But, hey, keep believing the Bay is the place to be for all season’s. I’m sure everyone else there will gladly agree with you.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never said it was the place for all seasons...
But while you’ve mentioned it, the weather in Sacramento is less appealing if you ask me. The summer extremes are way too hot, and the winters extremes are just too cold.
It’s interesting how you originally became a fan of the Athletics, but I have to respectfully say my statement will still hold true for most people in your area.
Did you watch the game on TV or did you actually go to the game? If you watched it on TV…what are the odds of you turning on an Athletics game versus…oh I don’t know…a Cleveland Indians game? How old were you when you turned the game on? Was it you or your father/uncle/grandpa that turned the game on for you? If you WENT to the game…even better. If either of those hold true, proximity did have an effect on your choice of team…if not, then you have proved me wrong on this point and you’re an exception to the rule…but now were just getting nit-picky.
.I imagine there are alot of A’s/Giants fans who feel the same way. One could argue that the A’s are ignoring a large market in Sacramento to take the red-headed stepchild of which the A’s currently have being located in the East Bay.
I’m sorry, I read that over and over and I’m still not sure what you meant to say?
Are you trying to say that the A’s should move North instead of having to compete with the Giants for fans? Or that they simply don’t market to the greater Northern California schmoe of which they can capitalize on?
That was another small perk I saw about the Warriors. Not only did they bring the entire Bay together instead of split them into factions, they were also the only major league team we didn’t have to share with the rest of Norcal since you guys have the Kings.
Speaking of Front Runners – I’m ashamed of all the people in Oakland who aren’t supporting their team whole-hearte-….Hey! Wait a minute…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance
Don’t even get us started on how disgustingly loyal Warrior fans have been over the past decade….(I am disappointed in 49er fans though…I mean…we can’t even sell a single damn ticket?! One?!)
by Blue and Yellow on Jun 11, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trust me
I know Sacramento weather. It’s why I moved. I got tired of the heat.
I don’t care why people became A’s fans in MY area. Leave my area out of it, and I won’t criticize the Bay. The fact remains that most people in Sac don’t give too much a good goddamn about the Bay, but yet, you seem to bring us back into the conversation. If Sac “folks” don’t matter, don’t bring us up!
My father watches the World Series every year. (The playoffs really. Yes, it was 1988. Yes, Gibson’s HR still pisses me off. And, umm, eff the Dodgers. And Angels.) It just so happened the A’s were on that year. The fact they were in Oakland didn’t hurt anything, I admit, but at the same time, trading for Rickey didn’t hurt either. Once Rickey was on the A’s I was hooked. (Maybe you get where I’m going with this.)
Unlike ANYONE ELSE in my family, I’m a sports fan. I used to like the Raiders unil Bo Jackson hurt his hip. (Well, had to get it replaced, but what are details right?) I don’t like Al Davis and that’s why I won’t root for the Raiders.
My affiliation with the Kings is quite simple: I’m from Sac. Also proud of it.
There is a level where you can be proud of the Bay without demeaning other area’s including Sac. But, the fact remains that Sacramento sports fans are extremely, integral even, to how well any team in the Bay draws. The fact that Sac is so close to the Bay, and vice versa, has created a natural rivalry.
The truth is that as a Kings fan, I’ll take your We Believe team against any of the 5 teams that won 50+ games under Adelman. Every time. 100 out of 100. Does it matter? No.
I’m proud of my Kings affiliation despite the frustration, and general crappiness, that the franchise has endured. I imagine Dubs fans feel the same way.
I’ve said many times, when I lived in Sacramento, or not, that many fans in the Bay are Front Runners. You might not be, or you might, I don’t know, nor do I care. Whether you are or not is not the point. The best way to judge a fanbase is how well they will support a team when it is down. The Kings have had their support.
If the Maloof’s hadn’t priced the real fans out so the bandwagon babies would buy tickets at those prices, they would still have sold alot of tickets despite how low the team has sunk.
As far as the A’s, Lew Wolff is a moron. The man has no idea how to get a stadium completed, and if you judge him by these remarks, he shows some ineptitude.
One favorite:
Blez: Well you say Northern California that can include a lot of places, places like Sacramento…
Wolff: I heard they have a pretty nice new ballpark in Omaha but I don’t want to have to fly to Omaha to see our games. The one thing we haven’t done no matter what anyone will tell you is that I have never threatened to go to another city outside the state. Every ballpark effort that I’ve seen the owner has always threatened to take the team elsewhere if he didn’t get this or that. We haven’t done any of that.
That statement shows nothing but snottery. All it shows is that Lew Wolff is a jerkoff, and nothing more. He chose to call Omaha small (which it’s not), and he chose to make the comparison of inconsequence, which Sacramento is not. Is it ideal for a 2nd pro franchise like the A’s? Maybe not, and especially not now.
However, Wolff is a moron. He used the wrong words and in the wrong way. The A’s have always done a terrible job of marketing the A’s in the Central Valley (not that you would know anything about that) and that’s one reason the Giants are far more popular. People there simply get more access to the Giants. Also, the Giants have been in NorCal longer. (1958 > 1968)
That’s my spiel. I don’t care how people in the Bay feel about Sac, and quite honestly, vice versa. But, to say that Sac doesn’t matter is stupid, and say that Bay fans don’t matter is stupid too. I was just pointing out that Bay fans don’t support the A’s the way they do EVERY OTHER franchise.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...
I read your stuff all the time at Sactown Royalty, so I know you have a tendency to go on tangents. Lets just set some things clear…
I keep having to go back up and check where the hell you’re getting these quotes from me at….
“But, to say that Sac doesn’t matter is stupid, and say that Bay fans don’t matter is stupid too.”
I never ever said Sac doesn’t matter…..I even said their support definitely helps Bay Area teams.
My original post was just an observation (from being a Warrior’s fan currently living and going to school in Davis) how poorly Warrior fans are sometimes treated (Boo Warriors!) but A’s or Raiders fans are bought a beer in Sacramento when they step into a bar…..and yet all three teams play 5 inches from one another and are representing the same city and fan base!
Yes, I know it’s because Sac has the Kings. I know Laker and Clipper fans don’t hold hands though they both represent the same city, but I still scratch my head when I go to Warriors @ Kings in Arco and get told to “Go back to Oakland”….and then turn around to see the same people high-fiving me at an A’s game. Back to the original base of this post…
1) Martin slightly > Ellis (But damn I love Monta)
2) Randolph > JT (I yelled “Anthony was the better draft pick!” at Arco when the Warriors visited and some guy said
“Are you Fn kidding me? You need to stop smoking crack!”
Everyone laughed….then, almost on cue, AR pancakes JT’s layup attempt to the backboard (JT did play an overall better game though…..)
Side note #2: I made Noc miss 2 straight free throws by yelling.. “DUHHHH BULLLZ” – Tons of fun!
3) I wanted to root for Hawes..he had some good games now and then and I tried to be optimistic since he was on my fantasy team…but I gotta agree with everyone else that Beans >>>> Hawes
4) And Nellie and Westphal? Hmmm…really don’t care to be honest…
by Blue and Yellow on Jun 11, 2009 10:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know Laker and Clipper fans don’t hold hands though they both represent the same city,
Are there really such things as Clippers fans? I guess there must be some, but everyone I know from LA who follows basketball follows the Lakers.
by jae on Jun 11, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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