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Warriors (seem like they're) down to Jrue Holiday, Jonny Flynn, Brandon Jennings, Terrence Williams, and Tyreke Evans

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From Chad Ford's excellent Mock Draft v4.0 on ESPN:

Analysis: The Warriors don't have a traditional point guard and while Don Nelson would prefer a veteran I think it will be hard for them to pass on Jrue Holiday if he's still on the board. Holiday isn't nearly as polished as Flynn, but he gives them some much-needed size and defense in the backcourt next to Monta Ellis. I also expect that the Warriors will take a long look at Brandon Jennings here. But his lack of size hurts him a bit.

And while were at it, I'm hearing significant buzz that Louisville's Terrence Williams is also high on the board at Golden State. Seven seems too high, but don't be surprised if the Warriors are willing to do a swap to get him.

Tim Kawakami thinks it's down to 3 players [Talking Points]:

I’d say, all outside issues being equal, Holiday and Memphis’ Tyreke Evans and Louisville’s Terrence Williams are the most likely options for the Warriors at 7, given their needs and Don Nelson’s interests.

There's that little workout scheduling quirk that Tim describes which makes you wonder about the interest in Holiday. But who really knows if that means anything come draft day. The Warriors worked out Patrick O'Bryant right before the 2006 NBA Draft (turned out great didn't it?). They also never brought Brandan Wright in for a workout and they were willing to expedite the destruction of WE BELIEVE to make that trade for him.

Any of these 5 interest you?

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Who interests you the most out of this 5?
Jrue Holiday
217 votes
Jonny Flynn
187 votes
Brandon Jennings
433 votes
Terrence Williams
69 votes
Tyreke Evans
246 votes
None of them do much for me right now
132 votes

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Out of those 5

I’d go

Jennings > Holiday > Evans > Flynn >>>>>>>>>>>>Williams

And out of those who’d be there at 7 I’d go:

Jennings > Hill > DeRozen > Holiday > Evans > Flynn > Lawson >>>>>>>>>>>>>Williams

Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 11, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Foreal

If we do reach I rather reach for Lawson then Williams. No offense to the guy though, he did very well under Pitino, but that would be a true reach for him.

Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.

Conductor of the We're Back Warrior Movement!

by ejdacanay on Jun 11, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWill

I really would not be upset if we did get Wiliams, its just that we would be wasting our draft pick if we did. I think our best option at this point would be to make some sort of trade allowing us to pick at around 15. In doing so we could unload a contract (crawford/ maggette) and get back a veteran point guard in return. Doesn’t matter who we get, since Monta is going to be starting anyway. We just need someone better than CJ(sorry bud). If this organization is actually set on taking Williams, all i ask is that they trade picks to do so, and better us financially in the process.

That said, i think that Holiday or Jennings is the way to go. Holiday, simply because he is the only one who could be that defender next to monta we talk about so much. And Jennings, because i know if we don’t, we’re going to regret it, like we always manage to do. Jennings is a star, dont let the euro numbers fool you. The kid can pass, and he actually enjoys doing so! I think Jennings could probably come in and start dishing 5-8 assists a night if given regular minutes. He’s toned down the flashy this past year, but still has that knack for making incredible passes, which is what we need. We have more than enough scorers, now lets get them the ball.

by BLWarrior on Jun 11, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Jennings won't be the player you guys think he will

He just seems more and more destined to be a bust. I give him five years before he’s back in Europe.

by Aisander D on Jun 11, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

“He just seems more and more destined to be a bust.”

The more time goes on, the more I read positive things about him from people that were around him in Europe. The Warriors work him out today, if I’m not mistaken, so hopefully we’ll be hearing some additional things about him shortly.

by Missing Barry on Jun 11, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’s a classic mystery box pick. he could be great, could be terrible and i don’t really see which is more likely.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 11, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

There was a Kings/Warriors diary last night that I posted in about BJ but it got deleted.

I mentioned that the only real thing that’s amazing with Brandon Jennings is his handles and dunks. He’s basically an athletic version of Sebastian Telfair. Even though he has crazy handles, it wouldn’t help him at all if he can’t shoot and score at the NBA level. Jamal Crawford and Rafer Alston have the best handles in the league yet they’re both not even in the top 5 of their positions. Also, Brandon Jennings is a little short at 6’1" and is a little skinny. He’d get overpowered in the NBA unless he has some type of Nash/Paul/Iverson type of magic.

But even with his flaws, I wouldn’t mind if the Warriors would take him. I don’t see any of the other point guards in the draft making an impact on the Warriors, so they might as well just pick the guy who has hella swagger and entertainment value. At least with Jennings, his flashy play will keep our mind away from our losses. Kind of like what Jason Richardson did for us when we were in our playoff drought.

by Precise Films Productions on Jun 11, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s not a single player in this draft whose going to be a “top 5 of their position”. so…

by 123707THIZZ on Jun 11, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a pretty bold statement to make. No to Griffin? No to Rubio? No to Jennings? No to Holiday? No to Hill? No the Thabeet? No to Harden? Griffin looks like he has a pretty good chance, and as for the rest of them…no individual one has a great chance but to write them all off collectively is very…strong.

by Missing Barry on Jun 11, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I meant

I said that I don’t see any of the potential available players making an impact on the Warriors now or in the future, so we might as well go for the guy who can at least make the team entertaining to watch.

by Precise Films Productions on Jun 11, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the number 7 pick, the Warriors select: Dave Chappelle.

by jae on Jun 11, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

i mean if we select a ‘joke’ we might as well select a funny ‘joke’…
terrence williams would be a depressing joke (is that possible)—at least at #7

by calling dave chappelle a ‘joke’ i mean a “guy who can at least make the team entertaining to watch”

by gogoldenbears on Jun 12, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on. You really think nobody drafted from 7 on will become an nba player that can make an impact? It’s one thing to say you don’t think the individual we pick will, but saying the entire collective group isnt going to produce any good players is a little ridiculous.

by Missing Barry on Jun 11, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure I love the "hell it's all a crapshoot anyways" approach...

maybe trade down or select someone you really hope pans out to at least a valuable rotation guy?

by Aisander D on Jun 12, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the deal with Hill, Finals had me in another world.

I heard he dropped, but don’t know why.

Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!

by Nuck Chorris on Jun 11, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Many teams looking at guards.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

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by kenntoe on Jun 11, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we do get a wing,

i’d rather have earl clark than T will.

by meximocha on Jun 11, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think Earl Clark is the best small forward in this draft.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 11, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m torn between Tatanka and the million dollar man Ted Dibaese

=/

by insanenthemembrane on Jun 11, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

DiBiase?

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 11, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah Jennings . . . I mean thanks for the spell check. I knew I should have googled his name. DiBiase!

by insanenthemembrane on Jun 11, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’ll take flynn out of those 5 without much hestiation. he’s the only one who produced well in college (aside from williams who i wouldn’t hate here, but i’d like to see us either move down or trade into the middle of the draft to get him, and either one of those things seems unlikely). i also like everything i’ve heard about his leadership skills and he’s a pretty impressive athlete. he’s the guy for me out of those 5 (before jae asks: lawson wasn’t an option and i just don’t know why scouts are so down on him).

all the upside talk about holiday and jennings doesn’t do much for me. holiday was a great high school player, did well at the combines, can defend pretty well and is big. so, basically, we know we’re getting a tall point guard who defends. we don’t know how good of a point guard he is because the last competition we saw him go up against at that position was in high school. what if he picked up some bad habits playing the 2 or just wasn’t that good to begin with? we just don’t know.

jennings was a great high school player who’s shown that he can be a very good passer and almost nothing else. he’s supposedly a great athlete, but he can’t shoot and while he’s progressing as a defender, has a long way to go to become really good defensively. the european game makes it hard to say that he can’t play in the pros just because he didn’t produce well. the game is very different, and playing point guard in europe was practically playing out of position for jennings; there’s a lot to relearn in that system. once again, it comes down to us taking the risk and saying “this guy was a great high school player, but mediocre at the next level; i think he’ll be a very good pro”. that’s a lot of faith to put in high school results and combine measures.

also, a slasher who can’t shoot, is a mediocre passer and wants to play the point? i’ll pass on evans. he doesn’t even look top ten caliber to me.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 11, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

how???

that comparison makes no sense

size wise…shooting wise…defensively???

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by LostHawk on Jun 11, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew that would get you riled up, lol!

I guess I just think Holiday is a “unimpressive” player destined for mediocrity. I know you love Holiday, so if he turns out to be a stud, I’ll be the first to admit you were right.

by Sharunas Marchulenis on Jun 11, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

im down with holiday or BJ...

both are a gamble….BJ is a bigger gamble since he really doesnt accomplish helping with all of our needs…

regardless, everyone in this draft is much more of a gamble than most drafts at the #7

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by LostHawk on Jun 12, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flynn is good.

But I don’t really think he’ll get any better in the NBA. While he was consistent in the NCAA I have a feeling that he won’t be expanding his game any further. In this case i’d rather go with someone who has more upside or else it would be like trading Vince Carter for the “better college player” Antwan Jamison again. I’d be happy with either player, though.

by Precise Films Productions on Jun 11, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why doesn’t flynn have upside? because he was a good college player?

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 11, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

I didn’t mean it like that. I said I have a feeling that it’s a “what you see is what you get” thing from him, like he won’t get any better. I wouldn’t be surprised if he turns out great in the NBA, though. Also, just because some players are good in college doesn’t mean they’ll be great in the NBA, take a look at Dunleavy for example, or Christian Laettner. Sometimes picking someone with more upside over someone who was consistent in college can pay off really well, and sometimes it can be the worst mistake.

by Precise Films Productions on Jun 11, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but what is it about flynn that makes you think he has less upside than holiday? flynn is stronger and a better leaper, holiday has a better wingspan and reach, and they have very similar times in the speed and agility drills.

if jennings had gone to the combine, it would have been interesting to compare his numbers to flynn’s and holiday’s, but he skipped out for some reason. that makes it hard to say exactly how he stacks up athleticism wise with the other guys in the field.

i don’t want to put too much stock in combine drills, because they have been shaky in terms of actually measuring athleticism, but they’re a useful quick comparison.

and for what it’s worth, vc was an awesome college player. no one would have passed on him for not producing at that level. he shot almost 60% from the floor during his last season; that’s crazy.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 11, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

forgot to mention that jamison was a great college player too, with similar numbers; my point was that vc was very good in college, not that his numbers were clearly superior to jamison’s.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 11, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both Ford & TK cite need ...
Holiday isn’t nearly as polished as Flynn, but he gives them some much-needed size and defense in the backcourt next to Monta Ellis
… the most likely options for the Warriors at 7, given their needs and Don Nelson’s interests.

However GSW has them ranked, they will pick the bpa and they won’t have much choice at that point because most of the fab five will already have been chosen – this will come down to a choice between two, at most three guys none of whom factor to play much next year for Nelson. Don’t know about you guys, but am reaching draft burn-out already … we’re like addicts wanting to get that We Believe! high again, but constantly disappointed with every subsequent effort yet we continue trying to talk ourselves into it …

by hardcore on Jun 11, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Flynn alot

I like his swagger, and his hardness, athletisism. He seems to have what it takes to run a team, I just dont like his height :(

But, then again, jennings is only 1"taller so….

by meximocha on Jun 11, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was looking at the combine measurements. A few players who pulled out of last year’s draft have now been measured twice. Ellington and Lawson both measured taller. OK, that’s possible. Gain less than an inch a year in in their early 20s? Sure. Both showed themselves to be a bit quicker too in both speed tests and jumped higher. Ellington was stronger in the bench press as well.

But more surprising is what happened to their arms. Both lost some ‘wingspan’ over the course of the year. Yeah. Right.

Me thinks that the accuracy of these measurements, while probably better than other ones reported, shouldn’t be taken as dogma.

by jae on Jun 11, 2009 12:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

arms get shorter all the time, jae. i can’t believe you haven’t heard of the t-rex phenomenon.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 11, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they made them trim their fingernails this year.

by ffgolden on Jun 11, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can tell you guys this

If we do draft Jennings, I believe Monta will hit the block for sure.

Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 11, 2009 12:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe.

If we draft Jennings, then the worst that could happen would probably be Monta playing SG again. I wouldn’t look at that as a bad thing either. I have a feeling that Nellie would play BJ mostly for his playmaking and ballhandling ability, it would help the other guys on the team put in work when it comes to scoring.

by Precise Films Productions on Jun 11, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

unless it turns out jennings isn’t that good. he’ll need to prove that he’s worth shipping out monta for if we’re actually going to do anything.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 11, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?>

monta is the best player on our team….jennings is a draft pick that has proven nothing…why would we build around a draft pick that has proven nothing? especially when nellie is our coach?

keep dreamin.

ellis is here for the long haul….so is randolph

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by LostHawk on Jun 11, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we trade monta...

he’ll be an all-star on whatever team he goes to

by Sharunas Marchulenis on Jun 11, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve stuck with Holiday since the season ended. Although now I’m getting more intrigued by Tyreke Evans. If you watch him play, He’s NOTHING like Jamal Crawford (people should slap themselves for that comparison). Yes, his shot is inconsistent, but he doesn’t rely on it like Jamal does. Tyreke is a slasher /finisher more in the Dwade mold as a relentless penetrator. While he is definitely not as explosive as Wade, he is athletic. He contorts his body and changes directions very well. He’s a good ballhandler with an effective spin move. I think he could stand to get his dribble a little lower, as I always think he’s going to get it picked. And it doesn’t hurt that he already has an NBA body.

Both Tyreke and Jrue have the ability to play the PG position next to Monta, that’s a +1. Both Tyreke and Jrue have the ability to guard multiple positions (while i’ve heard that Tyreke could even guard some SF’s), that’s a +1. Tyreke is also a very, very good rebounder from the PG position. That’s a +1.

In the end, both have a high likelihood of being gone before we draft, but if somehow one does drop, I would take either one of these guys before Jennings, Lawson, Williams and reluctantly, Johnny Flynn.

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by kenntoe on Jun 11, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

i like evans

but he isnt a PG…he has some PG skills….prob same lvl as monta was last season at best

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by LostHawk on Jun 11, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

If Tyreke Evans is still on the board when we pick, I don’t see Nelson passing on him.

by Sharunas Marchulenis on Jun 11, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

meh

Tyreke Evans does the same spin move all the time. Yeah he’s consistent in college but he better expand his game or else he won’t succeed in the NBA level. I want to see some versatility from him when it comes to ballhandling and post scoring.

by Precise Films Productions on Jun 11, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'ed

my thoughts on Evans exactly. But it sucks because those exact reasons about Evans that make him so intriguing almost ensure he won’t be available to us at #7.

In my mind, the top 6 are Griffin, Rubio, Hill, Thabeet, Harden, and Evans.. in no particular order. It’ll come down to mainly Holiday and Jennings for us.

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by YaHeard on Jun 11, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Evans’ offensive skils, but not defensive, and I don’t think the Warriors really have much of a need for another perimeter shooter. He also likes to drive to the basket, and when you get these smaller guards willing to penetrate and get inside, it leaves them open for injuries.

I like Jennings, even though he’s small, he can at least be a good distributor.

All these guys are pretty, meh. Trade your next five 1st round picks and trade up for Blake Griffin or something… i don’t know.

by aBulldog on Jun 11, 2009 1:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is all just a smoke screen so we can land Hill.

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by qin on Jun 11, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you work for the warriors too?

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

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by kenntoe on Jun 11, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I cringe at the name Terrene Williams

LOL, why is his name still out there?? We have the 7th pick, I barely have Terrence Williams in my top 15.

by Bob on Jun 11, 2009 2:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think this top 5 is a big assumption

We have no idea where the team is looking. The sources you left us aren’t anything close to conclusive. Most people thing they should go for a true point guard, and while I agree, I haven’t seen anything from the team that shows that they’re definitely going in that direction. If you look at the depth chart, indications are that Ellis will be the point with Jackson as the two guard. With that as your future backcourt for the next four years (contractually), and with Randolph and Biedrins at the 4 and 5, my guess is that they’re looking for the 3 of the future. In this case, DeRozan is a strong possibility. Plus, if Jordan Hill is there, it’d be hard for them to pass up on him. Though we have nice talent up front, we are by no means all set up front.

by eastbayglory on Jun 11, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think we’re even set in the frontcourt either…

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by JustSomeName on Jun 11, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ill narrow it down to 3

Tyreke, Jrue, Brandon

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by California KID on Jun 11, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What happened to all the talk about Curry?

I remember there were numerous mocks that had the dubs picking him(although I would HATE that pick). What about Derozan? He thought Nellie saying to him “see you soon” would mean he’s a Warrior for sure. I honestly wouldn’t count anyone out.

Who knows if the front office has some kind of offer on the table that lands them a veteran PG so we draft (another) wing instead? If Hill falls, you don’t think they’d take him? Everyone needs a PG in this draft so I wouldn’t doubt seeing teams trying to trade up to get our 7, where there will be probably 2 or 3 legit PG’s on the board.

by Captain Jack on Jun 11, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nellie said see you soon to BJ too

i think he says it to everyone….for the smoke screen!

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by LostHawk on Jun 12, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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