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RUMOR: Ricky Rubio's draft stock slipping and could be available at #7 for the Warriors

Is it time to bump up the Stunning 6 to a Scintillating 7?

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Ricky Rubio is the forgotten member of Pretty Ricky.

[via evilcowtowninc.files.wordpress.com]

Jump for some details via today's draft-buzz roundup on ESPN

Star-divide

From the NBA Draft's version of Mel Kiper, ESPN.com's Chad Ford:

Speaking of Rubio, his situation looks a little more precarious Monday than it has seemed. I've assumed that Sacramento at No. 4 was his floor, and it still may be. But if he slips past Sacramento, things could get pretty interesting.

First, Rubio has been avoiding the Wizards. Apparently, his people don't think he's a good fit in the backcourt with Gilbert Arenas. If the Wizards pass on him because of that, I'm not sure where he'll land. Minnesota needs a point guard, but the Wolves seem to be leaning toward Curry and Tyreke Evans. The Warriors need Rubio badly, but they have a pretty rocky relationship with his agent, Dan Fegan.

Around these parts it has been treated as a foregone conclusion that Ricky Rubio will be off the board by the time Larry Riley gets to make his first selection as the GM of the Warriors. As always around this time of the year, the draft is getting extra-interesting. As Ford notes, there's a real possibility that Rubio could be there at #7 for the Warriors.

The Warriors do need a PG (desperately) and Rubio has been hailed as the runner-up prize in a 2 man draft. If Rubio's somehow there at #7 for the Warriors there could be a number of interesting scenarios. If Riley and Nellie are high on him, they could luck into their man. If they don't think too highly of his game, at the very least it shouldn't be too hard to find a taker.

 

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We wouldn’t pass up on Rubio and the Kings wouldn’t, either.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

and I don’t think the Wizards or Wolves would either. And I don’t think he’ll even get to 4, this seems like Ford didn’t have much else to write about. “If he falls to 4 (which is unlikely) Sacramento could pass on him (very unlikely) and then Washington might pass on him (but its unlikely) and then the Wolves might pass on him (for some reason I haven’t quite figured out yet) and then I can’t be 100% certain the Warriors would take him (though I’m pretty sure they would)” is basically what he just wrote.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, we actually agreed on something.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he really is available at #7, I’d take him over Evans, Holiday, Jennings, Flynn, Williams, and Hill.

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Jun 15, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

There’s just no way that he will be, though. He would have to get by the Kings, Wizards and Timberwolves? That’s not likely.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that’d be an absolutely massive failure on the part of their gms. if he even slips to the kings at the 4 without anyone making a deal to get into the top 3 to grab him, the gms of memphis and okc messed up. there’s no good reason for him to slide out of the top 3.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see it...

it’s easy to say that his stock is falling, but I can’t see any scenario that a guy who has been the consensus #2 for so much of the year falls that far. I think it’s an absolute lock that #4 is the lowest he goes. I’d absolutely love to be wrong about that though. Rubio at #7 would be too good to be true.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 15, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the basketball gods will smile and shine on the Warriors for once?

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Jun 15, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

You know better than to think that… ; )

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 15, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be just like the basketball gods to...

Let Rubio drop to #6, only to have Minny trade their draft spot to the Knicks.

Those a-holes.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 15, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

now that’s more like it.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 15, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“The Basketball Gods” allowed the F/Lakers to snag Gasol, and felled Garnett, thereby delivering Kobe his 4th ring, further closing the gap between him and Jordan.

“The Basketball Gods” can kiss my arse.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 15, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

its still a massive gap

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Even if that did happen, the Warriors would probably pass on him. The basketball gods can only do so much.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 15, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crabtree and Rubio both falling to Bay Area teams in one year is asking a little much

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Rubio fell to us, I would be scared. After all, there’d have to be a reason for him to fall…

by Missing Barry on Jun 15, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celtics should’ve been scared off from Paul Pierce

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the only reason I can see him dropping are questions about athleticism. If he starts dropping, my interpretation is teams saw him and were beginning to realize he really isn’t a good athlete, and that would scare me…

by Missing Barry on Jun 15, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With concerns over his strength, shooting and buyout, Ricky Rubio has gone from the consensus number two pick to one of the many wild cards.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

me?

I don’t like Evans or Jennings very much. I’m sure one of them will turn into a star and make feel very foolish, but I don’t really see why there is so much hype around those two. I’m not totally sold on Holiday or DeRozan but I’d be fine with either. I’d be fine with Lawson, Flynn, or Williams but I’d prefer to trade down if we’re gonna get one of them. I like Curry and Hill and I love Rubio, so I’m hoping there is some way we can end up with one of those 3.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 3:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t Anthony Randolph fall to us?

by belilaugh on Jun 15, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where we picked him was about where he was slotted.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

thats not true at all, for most of the time leading up to the draft Randolph was considered a top 6 or 7 prospect. Thats why there wasn’t a whole lot of discussion about him around here, nobody really thought he would be available. His stock started to fall due to questions about his work ethic, but at this point last year he was still considered a pretty sure bet for the top 10.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 3:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d think some team above us would still take him and use him as trade bait to add a chip or two. Too many If’s for this to happen imo.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."

by kenntoe on Jun 15, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yea there are a ton of ifs in that scenario and none of them seem very likely at all

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is his stock falling and other draft news

First and foremost, no way he falls to us. Secondly, he has created a real mess for himself by suing his team in Spain and is going to be very expensive to untangle this mess according to DX’s excellent pod coverage from Italy. Gary Parrish covers a lot of good information including what is up with Rubio.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/DX-Podcast-Jonathan-Givony-Interview-with-Gary-Parrish-3254/

We Believe We Were Deceived

by commish on Jun 15, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

but NBA teams can only pay about a half a mil to buy him out right? Isn’t the rest of that on Rubio?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

However, I’m still unsure about the fact if he can opt to stay over seas once he’s been drafted. If so that also may be a factor of teams being iffy on taking him.

There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.

by qin on Jun 16, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If drafted, he can remain overseas. In some regards, this could be best case scenario as it means his window on the fixed rookie scale salary doesn’t start ticking but he’s maturing physically.

The Warriors need immediate help, but it’s unlikely they’re going to get immediate help from him (or anyone else) so having someone else pay him until he’s ready to contribute ain’t terrible.

by jae on Jun 16, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn’t that what happened with Scola? I feel like he was drafted by the Spurs a couple years before his rights were dealt to the Rockets and he came over.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 17, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we get a workout please

Just one. That’s all I want is one. Youtube can make anyone look good and yes, he did ball out against USA but I just want ONE workout. It doesn’t even have to be for us, but I want to see how he goes up against the rest of the players in the draft.

by The Dedication on Jun 15, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It would be a great problem to have

to decide between rubio and jennings

"If you can make 10 things happen during the 10 minutes you play tonight, we will quadruple your salary and you will start for the rest of the season" ... and then he does just that, but the coach reneges on the promise so Anthony has a near-crying meltdown on the bench. That's every Anthony Randolph game.

by gsw1 on Jun 15, 2009 1:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yes because its not a difficult decision at all

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love watching the video’s on youtube of Ricky, but I hate calling him the runner up at #2…. remember when Darko Milicic came out? The same was said about him… but he isn’t quite as good as LeBron, now is he?

It’d be hard for 7 teams to pass on the potential that he has… but I wouldn’t mind someone like Jennings either. I like Tyreke Evans, but we don’t need another shooter with bad defense.

by aBulldog on Jun 15, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Tyreke Evans, but we don’t need another shooter with bad defense.

then you’re in luck! tyreke evans can’t shoot at all.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should have said ball hog

by aBulldog on Jun 15, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a 4 minute clip of evans knocking down uncontested jumpshots in a workout does not undo how awful he was at memphis as a shooter.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope

but it makes me not take your “at all” part as serious

by 123707THIZZ on Jun 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, you shouldn’t take any “at all” remark seriously to begin with. it’s almost always an exaggeration.

here, i’ll correct my first statement:

then you’re in luck! tyreke evans can’t shoot at all shot very poorly at memphis.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or how about Tyreke Evans has proven he can’t hit shoot very well in games?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is Fegan's worst nightmare.

Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!

by Nuck Chorris on Jun 15, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's what I'm saying.

I actually believe there should be a salary cap for agents the same way there is one for teams. It makes no sense for there to be a third party

Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!

by Nuck Chorris on Jun 15, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s bad enough that there’s a salary cap already reducing players salaries. Then you’d be forcing them to hire lower quality agents because the best ones only bother with huge clients…just not a good idea. You may think agents are scum, but they do provide necessary services. Can you imagine some of these kids trying to negotiate on their own behalfs? Agents provide legal services, negotiate for their players, help their players with PR issues, and a variety of other things along the lines of a personal assistant.

by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then you’d be forcing them to hire lower quality agents because the best ones only bother with huge clients…just not a good idea.

Umm… no. The best agents will still have 24 hours in a day. It’s not like they’re going to be getting better offers. They may be offering fewer services or whatever, but the lower quality agents are going to be the ones getting pushed out of the game. Look at the state of the job market. You’ve got PhD’s flipping burgers because they can’t get better work.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 16, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was referring to his agent salary cap idea, assuming he meant each agent can only take on a certain number of players determined by their collective salary.

by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hadn't read... we should also put a cap on how many cars Toyota can sell in America

That way our own crappy car makers who are now owned by us (YAY!!!) can do better.

Ugh… let’s restrict people’s ability to do business… that’s a great idea. We should also pay farmers to stop producing food, cuz you know, we don’t have enough starving people in the world.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 16, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t worry, we already pay farmers to not produce food.

by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know...

That was part of my point. Sigh…

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 16, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it’s not clear you’re referencing a real scenario when you start off with a hypothetical situation like putting a cap on toyota cars and next use a real situation like farmers not producing food.

by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhhhh…sorry didn’t understand again, my bad!

by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theres a reason why his stock would drop

He’s a f****** joke.. I would hope the Warriors do not draft him.. big time mistake… can u say Marco Bellineli? or Jiri Welsch??? hahaha please dont even think about drafting this fool

by warrior2thagrave on Jun 15, 2009 2:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Your eloquence and insight has persuaded me.

Until now, I hadn’t realized just how much in common he has with Welsch and Belinelli.

If he falls to #7 and the Warriors select him I will be extremely disappointed.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 15, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you didn’t realize as a white guy from Europe, Ricky Rubio is exactly the same as Marco Belinelli and Jiri Welsch. It’s an easy mistake, thinking that these guys are actually different people. Anyone could have made the same mistake.

by jae on Jun 15, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but

what about Drazen Petrovic? He was good…..now I’m so confused!!!!!

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

can u say Marco Bellineli? or Jiri Welsch???

Yeah foreign guards are worthless. Nash, Parker, Calderon, and Manu are all jokes too.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 15, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

don’t be silly OM, rubio, marco, and jiri all have longish hair on top of being european. nash was born in south africa before moving to canada, manu is from argentina, calderon has a nice, short, handsome haircut and tony parker isn’t even white.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's great...

I particularly liked the parts about Calderon and Parker.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 15, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea that “handsome” thrown in there got me laughing, its just to bad he didn’t throw in a “no homo” at the end to really clear things up

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh no! i can’t believe i forgot to add that! what must the GSoM community think of me now?

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not very high on Pretty Ricky

HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN HIS JUMPSHOT? I dont know how they play in the Euro league, but there is no WAY he’s able to get his shot off in the NBA. The guy takes literally 3-4 seconds to release the ball. Yea I know everyone is hyped, pro since 14, the olympics, blah blah blah. Bottom line, he will get destroyed by stronger and more athletic NBA point guards. Just imagine Deron Williams posting him up, the kid has no chance. I like Flynn.

by honkiehonk on Jun 15, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Literally? I do not think that word means what you think it mean.

by jae on Jun 15, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know how they play in the Euro league

And this is supposed to lend credibility to your post?

Bottom line, he will get destroyed by stronger and more athletic NBA point guards. Just imagine Deron Williams posting him up, the kid has no chance.

I don’t have to imagine him playing against the likes of Deron, and CP3 because he has already played against them at a very high level of competition and performed well.

He may not live up to all the hype, but it’s pretty clear that you don’t have any reason to think the way you do, outside of his appearance and country of origin.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 15, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

??

I guess i must hate Steve Nash too then

by honkiehonk on Jun 15, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nash is from Spain?

Seriously though, if you don’t give any us any reason’s as to why you think these things, and all of what you are saying contradicts the evidence available, and the expert opinions available, then you come off looking like you’ve got an axe to grind.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 15, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont hate him cuz he's from Spain

i hate him for the Warriors because he freakin sucks and is overrated. I listed reasons on my first post. The kid is slow, with no strength and a bad jump shot. Need I say more? I never said anything about his country of origin other than the fact that he is hailed as God in the Euroleague. Am I knocking on the Spanish? No. I’m knocking on the fact that Ricky Rubio will not be a star point guard in the NBA. Will he get drafted? Of course he will!! He will probably land in top 4 picks because that’s how the draft works, you get star players and you get busts. I’ll wait for him to prove me wrong, just like how I’m waiting for Darko Milicic to prove me wrong.

by honkiehonk on Jun 15, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yay

Sounds like you’ve learned to read the “weaknesses” section of his DraftExpress page, while ignoring the “strengths” part.

You don’t “need” to say more, but if you care about persuading anyone, rather than simply shouting your uninformed opinion loudly, it might help.

Then again, judging your posts so far, it might be the best that you keep your opinions brief. The chances of your ever posting something insightful, thoughtful, interesting, fair, or funny on this site seem pretty slim. I’m waiting for you to prove me wrong.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 16, 2009 4:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch. Don’t mess with the bull that is Thing 2 or you’ll get the horns of Thing 1.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 17, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

did he get destroyed in the olympics vrs team usa?

nope.

he’ll be fine.

if he drops to us (which wont happen) we should be very happy…

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawk on Jun 15, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he drops to us (which wont happen) we should be very happy…

It would be Christmas in June, along with the return of The Secret Life of the American Teenager!

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

do you really watch that show?

This is Kristin Kreuk, now zip it. - GTTM

by disguy on Jun 16, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pattie Mills did well at the Olympics, too. I want Mills!

by Missing Barry on Jun 15, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does he do a cartwheel, backflip then shoot the ball?

by markdash on Jun 16, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way

he is gonna fall to us

REPRESENTING THE BAY TO THE FULLEST!!!

by California KID on Jun 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ya...smells like smokescreen!

if we could get him tho it would be awesome! him + ellis backcourt would be nice….he’s a pretty good defender and has excellent vision

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Jun 15, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

mills is not that good

ive seen about 15 st mary’s games and the kid can’t pass. he is a scoring point guard

"If you can make 10 things happen during the 10 minutes you play tonight, we will quadruple your salary and you will start for the rest of the season" ... and then he does just that, but the coach reneges on the promise so Anthony has a near-crying meltdown on the bench. That's every Anthony Randolph game.

by gsw1 on Jun 15, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You might prefer a pass first guard, and obviously a guard that can both pass and score will be better, but he can be good and be a scoring point guard. I haven’t seen any St. Mary’s games in person but I would watch on tv anytime they were on late night and he’s got some skills. The one thing that worries me about him is his ballhandling needs improvement.

by Missing Barry on Jun 15, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio F*CKIN SUCKS!

I don’t want the point guard version of Mike Dunleavy Jr. on this damn team!

DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE!

=D

by Precise Films Productions on Jun 15, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what hype?

out of everyone in the draft he is the only one that has shown that he can hang with NBA players (olympics)….he would be great for the warriors….amazing vision and distributing (which we really need) and very good defender

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Jun 15, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish someone had responded that way to Jennings when he said he believes that Rubio is all hype.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want to nitpick (and you probably don’t, but I’m going to anyway), Patrick Mills showed he could hang with NBA players too.

But also, since everyone here is quick to bring up small sample sizes for various arguments throughout the season (like Morrow’s 3 point percentage or Azubuike’s defense, etc), then why exactly is one showing at the Olympics enough to validate him as a player who can hang with the NBA players? People seem to forget that the international game is very different than the NBA game, and Rubio was in his element at the Olympics. There seems to be a different type of pressure when you play for club teams and when you play nationally. Excelling in one does not mean you will excel in the other. Carlos Arroyo killed the USA too, but when he played in the NBA he was a backup point guard at best.

If I could see statistics on Rubio’s season, I think that would be a much better indicator of his play than a couple less than 40 minute performances of international basketball.

by belilaugh on Jun 15, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

draft express has rubio’s stats. they were not impressive, but i wish i knew where to find his month to month splits. his wrist injury was a big problem at the beginning of the year. either way, the 6.1 assists in 23 minutes of spanish league play are really impressive considering how hard it is to get counted with assists in europe (some weird scorekeeping difference). the 3 turnovers in the same time is less impressive, but i’d bet they aren’t quite so stingy when crediting guys with turnovers.

his shooting s are awful, but the 80 from the line is at least encouraging in that regard and you’d have to think his wrist injury was a problem for him. he’s not a terrible rebounder and by all accounts is a great defender. here’s the link to his dx profile and if anyone knows where to find his stats from the previous year and his splits from this year, i’d be interested in seeing them.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ricky-Rubio-1155/

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a reference

As a reference to compare Rubio’s stats

Calderon (last year in the ACB): 30 min, 13.26 points, 2.68 Reb, 3.13 Ast, 3.19/5.55 2Pt (58%), 1.32/2.87 3Pt (46%), 2.9/3.58 FT (81%), 1.45 Stl, 1.39 TO and 15.74 of “Valoración” (similar to PER).

Ricky (this season): 23 min, 10 points, 2.64 Reb, 6.14 Ast, 1.72/4.5 2Pt (38%), 1.05/2.41 3Pt (43%), 3.41/4.23 FT (81%), 2.18 Stl, 3 TO and 14.68 of “Valoración”.

by Bend3r on Jun 17, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting. i think calderon’s a really good player and if ricky isn’t getting trounced by calderon’s stats when he was 4 years younger than calderon during the seasons compared and had a wrist injury for much of the season, that’s a good sign. it also makes ricky’s 6.14 assists look absolutely ridiculous when you think about what a good passer calderon is and calderon could barely get to half that number (though with a slightly better assist to turnover ratio, and 7 extra minutes per game). you’d have to think his shooting will improve and he’s already a good defender. i think i like rubio a lot more now.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 17, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!

What you’re doing is hyping him up right now. lol.

by Precise Films Productions on Jun 16, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He aint falling

No way Rubio falls out of the Top 5. I’m sure every other team is just as intrigued about this guy as we are.

The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!

by ballin on Jun 15, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've written about Rubio on this site before...

I can understand why people have doubts, but I don’t get the haters.

Rubio is just like all the other 18-19 year-olds that declare for the NBA draft, in that all we can really talk about is their “potential.” Is it really possible to compare his stats in the ACB and Euroleague with the stats of a highschooler or college freshman? Hasn’t he shown as much as Jennings or Holiday for that matter? It’s hard to say. It’s also hard to compare an Olympic final vs. typical regular season NBA game. It’s just hard to say anything other than he has the “potential” to be a pretty darn good NBA point guard. Likewise, you might say he has the “potential” to be a ‘bust’ as well. It’ll all come down to the specific circumstances of where he lands, what he’s asked to do, how he’s developed, etc. One things for sure though, he knows the game better than Jennings and many other “hyped up” American players ever will. He’s already got the fundamentals down, which is more than anyone can say about the rest of the “potentially” good PGs going in this year’s draft. This is important, because he does fall (unlikely, but you never know), or if the Warriors decide they really want him, he’d be a good fit just because he has the fundamentals down and has “basketball smarts”. I remember reading or hearing that Nelson never installed a full offense last season, because his players were not prepared to do anything too complicated. That was partially because there were a lot of new players on the team and partially because the main guy who was expected to run it, Monta, missed training camp and most of the season. If the Warriors did managed to land Rubio, Nellie could count on at least one PG getting it from day one.

I still think Monta’s the starter next season. I also doubt many NBA coaches would push Rubio too hard (he’ll probably play about 20 min/game his rookie year), Don Nelson included. He’s only 19, he’s definitely got “potential” (Kobe even said so himself), and time will tell how great he will or won’t be.

by miguelito on Jun 16, 2009 12:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

'the main guy who was expected to run it'

also has questionable ‘basketball smarts’—he’s a prodigy in some areas but his fans mistake that for having a great ball-i.q., and come up with excuses like him missing preseasons with injuries to explain his lack of progress. with all the minutes he’s had on the court playing guard, if he had strong ball sense there’d be little doubt he’d make a decent lead guard, but he shows only a limited capacity to anticipate what the other team is doing on both ends of the floor.

rubio may or may not have the edge you attribute to him with respect to the college guys who had significant loads put on them by their coaches, like curry or flynn, but his potential could well exceed theirs.

by the.monk on Jun 16, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen this kid play

And more than at the Olympics last summer. I have spent the past 9 months living in Spain and I know for a fact just how good or bad Rubio is. First of all he doesn’t really play as a true number 1 point guard on his own team all game long. He plays more of a rover roll, running up and down the baseline and splits time leading the team’s offense. Also he does little to create shots for himself and when he does his percentage isn’t even that high, roughly around 40%.

I think is scoring is his biggest question mark. He will have to shoot better. Statistically his two point shooting percentage is worse than his 3 point percentage. This is because Ricky often blows by the first layer of defense only to be swarmed by the next. He gets fouled often and hard like Iverson but doesn’t have that kind of durability. He gets hurt then skitish and opts for the outside shot. And it will only be worse in the NBA.

There is however a huge plus side with Rubio. He lead the Spanish league in assists and steals at only 18 years old. He is extremely quick and his improvisation with the basketball is without equal in Europe. There may be some people out there that think that Euro basketball is nothing compared to the NBA but we all saw how Spain’s finest stood up against the NBA’s best international team in years in Beijing. Also in European basketball they play 10 minute quarters, very slow half quart offense and the three point arc is about two feet closer to the basket. He is playing in a system that doesn’t suite his still set. If you set this kid loose in a run and gun offense in NY or with the Warriors his upside is tremendous.

My choice for who the warriors should take at number 7 breaks down like this. My first choice is Hill (who is all likelihood wont be available), second Curry (a proven scorer and soldier who probably will be there) and third Rubio.

by Peter B on Jun 16, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

did you see much of Jennings? if so what did you think?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 17, 2009 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting that you seem to have a positive view of Rubio but you’d rather have Hill or Curry. I wouldn’t agree that Curry is a proven scorer – a proven shooter obviously, but scoring in a weak NCAA league isn’t the same as scoring in the NBA.

Euroball is good, by the way, better than the NCAA competition these other prospects have.

by Missing Barry on Jun 17, 2009 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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