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RUMOR: Atlanta Hawks shopping Josh Smith

NBA Draft days are always fun. It isn't just about the young ballas getting called up from the NCAA and elsewhere in the world; it's also the time when some major names change places.

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ESPN.com's Chad Ford has the scoop in his draft buzz from earlier today:

The big trade rumor flying around (if you're already tired of the Shaq-to-Cleveland talk) centers on the Hawks' Josh Smith. Several league sources told ESPN.com that the Hawks have been working hard the past few weeks to see whether they can find a taker for Smith.

The Hawks have some financial issues coming into the summer. Two key players, Mike Bibby and Marvin Williams, are free agents. So are a few others on the roster -- Josh Childress, Zaza Pachulia and Ronald Murray. Although the Hawks would like to keep those players, they can't afford to pay all of them. That has opened the door to the possibility of trading Smith, who, although talented, has a reputation as a difficult player to coach.

There is one BIG catch of course:

The Hawks have had no problem finding teams interested in Smith. The issue is the whopping $6 million trade kicker attached to his contract. The trade kicker essentially would require the team that trades for Smith to pay him the $6 million immediately. In this economic climate, many owners will balk at the payment.

That translates to 6 million reasons why Chris Cohan will negate any deal for J-Smoove.

Based on my view from the Left Coast and nightly box scores I can't but love Josh Smith's game. This 23 year old has proven that he can drop 17.5 ppg, 8.4 rpg, and 3.4 apg, plus 1.5 steals and about 3 blocks a game. I don't care you how slice it, this guy is quite an intriguing basketball talent. Smith is exactly the type of ball player that Nellie can work wonders with too. I doubt for a second that Nellie would try to run him at the 5 and go super fast. Come to think of it think how much better the Warriors would have been in the We Believe spring if they had Josh Smith instead of Al Harrington at the 5. The shooting at the 5 wouldn't be there, but imagine how many more fast breaks there would be resulting from Smith's thievery and swatage. That's just scary.

But that's just a view from afar. The reviews aren't entirely positive over in Hot-lanta. Our friends over at Peachtree Hoops break it down in State of the Hawks power forward:

Of course, Josh gives us plenty of reasons not to idolize him. No one backs Josh Smith 100 percent. I don't even think Josh Smith likes how Josh Smith plays all the time. That sour puss face is not just reserved for refs...

Blind loyalty and adoration for Josh Smith is dumb. You do not see many players with the attitude of a middle schooler win NBA championships. But like any good enigma, sooner or later, you are going to look foolish if you downplay Smith's skill and importance to the team.

The results of their poll Where do the Hawks need to improve the most? are also very telling.

Still I'd be up for any of trades for Smith involving any combination of Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Kelenna Azubuike,  Marco Belinelli, and Brandan Wright. I doubt the Hawks are that dumb though. I wouldn't mind breaking up the defensive disastrous duo that is Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins for him either. (Blowing up an exciting playoff team to build around two franchise cornerstones who can't defend... your Golden State Warriors).


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Would Josh Smith be a good addition to the 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors and a good fit for Nellieball?
YES: Plus he's a fantasy hoops delight!
1270 votes
NO: I'll pass.
378 votes

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i would take him. Let me know what you guys think of this trade. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l4vfsf

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by California KID on Jun 15, 2009 7:09 PM PDT reply actions  

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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by RunNdGun on Jun 15, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that’s pushing it a little bit.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

They would not benefit from that trade unless we threw in a 1st rounder. Acie Law still might be pretty good

by bushido on Jun 15, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahah -6 wins for them!

yeah…i dont think they would give up their best player for those three guys

by Butt Secks on Jun 15, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

joe johnson isn’t in that trade.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much they’d be looking for in return. Any deal that includes, Monta, Biedrins or Randolph I wouldn’t do and I can’t imagine Atlanta liking a Maggette/Wright offer that much.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah, i don’t see a josh smith to the warriors deal going down unless one side makes a stupid mistake, but considering the track records of the two parties involved, i couldn’t rule it out.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Morrow seems like a guy they’d have interest in but even Maggette/Wright/Morrow doesn’t seem like an offer they’d like a whole lot, I would assume they would also want us to take back Speedy’s contract and throw in Turiaf or something…..and then we’re starting to get into a situation where its not looking like a very good deal for us at all.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

i was messing around with the trade machine (always a bad idea), trying to find a deal that works for me that would involve one of your “absolutely not” guys listed above. i don’t think i’d do it, but this would at least intrigue me:

monta and jack for smith, claxton and evans’ expiring deals, this year’s first and a future conditional pick.

it basically works out to monta for smith; jack for expirings and picks. we’d be woefully bad on the perimeter and would desperately help at the guards next year, but we’d probably land an immediate contributor in the draft who could step in and fill some of the void at the guard spots. morrow would need to get lots of pt and we’d need to use the mle on someone who could handle the rock, but getting jack’s deal off the books might make it easier to build a contender in the future. like i said, i don’t think i’d do it, but that’s worth considering.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually, nevermind, base year comps on monta and smith make that trade impossible anyway.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Smith is an exciting player, capable of helping a team, but is not and probably never will be the superstar that I think he thinks he is. He’s in that “if he’s your best player, you’re in trouble” class of good players. A plus is that he apparently has the chip on his shoulder that can make a player into a very good defender. A negative is that he doesn’t really have a position. He’s not the rebounder you need as a 4 and isn’t the shooter you want at the 3 (though he’s not a mad gunner putting up 20 shots a night and improved last year substantially).

by jae on Jun 15, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s in that "if he’s your best player, you’re in trouble" class of good players

he might even be in the “if he’s your second best player, you’re in trouble” class. i don’t know, i like the guy, but the attitude issues, the lack of a position, the poor shooting and mediocre rebounding make it seem like he’s a number 3 guy at best. he’s interesting and does a lot of things well, but it’d be hard to really build a great team if he’s your second best player

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

what scares me is...

he has potential to be a chucker and wasup till last year…. in nellies system, players like him become very trigger happy, especially from outside when he should cut to hoop everytime cause hes so explosive

by tafkasam on Jun 15, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we can get rid of Mags, Beli and Wright for Smith

Our lineups pretty decent

Biedrins/Turiaf
Randolph/Davidson(?)
Smith/Buike
Jackson/Morrow
Ellis/Jennings(100% sure we’re drafting him lol)

Loving our starting front court. Lefties ftw!

too bad the hawks wouldnt even think about saying yes to that trade lol.

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by Xero on Jun 15, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I’d rather have Randolph and Smith both getting the bulk of their playing time at PF and limiting the time either one of them is on the wing.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’d say that if you split smith’s time pretty evenly at the 3 and 4, depending on the matchup, that would be his ideal situation. start randolph and buike and bring smith off the bench to take minutes at both positions.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea I was just gonna say it would probably depend a lot on the matchup, obviously we could really use his defense against really good 3’s

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Randolph at the 4 and J Smooth at the 3 and Andris at the center spot, thats a very good front court

We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jun 15, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

And also leaves us very lacking on the perimeter offensively…

by Missing Barry on Jun 15, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

offensively someone would need to really improve on their ability to score from beyond 8 feet

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

it would be a ton of fun to watch though

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Randolph and J Smooth would be gettin hella dunks

We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jun 15, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, we’d be having a nightly block party.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 15, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

+ 10000

We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jun 15, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m picturing a Smith/Randolph/Turiaf fronline with nobody actually playing defense, all of them just waiting on the weakside waiting to try to block a shot.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 15, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can see Josh Smith getting pissed when Randolph or Turiaf beats him to a block and he doesn’t get credit for it…

by Missing Barry on Jun 15, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Josh Smith: “Man!! that was my block”
Randolph: “Naw, that was my block”
Turiaf: “We all know who gets the blocks around here”

We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jun 15, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

nah, ronny would just have a big smile on his face when smith was complaining and say “come on, guys! there’s enough blocks to go around!” and then everyone would be happy and go out for ice cream after the game. i assume that most interactions with ronny turiaf result in everyone getting ice cream or having a dance party.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 15, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOLOLOL

i can so picture this

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Jun 15, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahaha

"If you can make 10 things happen during the 10 minutes you play tonight, we will quadruple your salary and you will start for the rest of the season" ... and then he does just that, but the coach reneges on the promise so Anthony has a near-crying meltdown on the bench. That's every Anthony Randolph game.

by gsw1 on Jun 15, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions  

That poll was wack

Does Josh Smith fit in with Nellie ball?
Of course, half of the league does
Would I make a trade for him?
No we have AR and BWright

Plus AR is making me gitty, hella workin out, check out this article
http://www.contracostatimes.com/sports/ci_12596651?source=rss

by myk on Jun 15, 2009 9:15 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

damn

hes grown an inch!

AR is gunna be a beast….def my fav player atm in the whole nba

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawk on Jun 15, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is all good news (for a change)

He often works out with his shirt off now, showing off his defined torso. The Warriors have focused on developing his core strength and not bulking him up. Still, Randolph, who has grown an inch and is just shy of 7 feet, has added some 20 pounds of muscle since the Warriors drafted him and is now up to about 215. He can curl 100-pound dumbbells several times, no problem.

Real good article.

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And I wish that I was there.

by qin on Jun 16, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he’s grown an inch and has gained 20 pounds, he hasn’t gained 20 pounds of muscle.

by jae on Jun 16, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

5-10 pounds

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 16, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

which would still leave him with 10-15 pounds of added muscle and the offseason has barely even started. not bad at all.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which, overall, would give him 10-15 pounds of muscle!

by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha, nice.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Though...

Your body weight also fluctuates +/-5 pounds depending on how much water you’ve recently consumed, how recently you pissed and shat, how heavy of clothing you’re wearing…

And it’s much easier to gain fat weight than muscle weight. If he’s bulking up, he’s eating more, and some of that could easily be converted into fat instead of muscle.

I’m no saying one way or the other, but it’s highly unlikely that every ounce of weight he’s gained is muscle.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 17, 2009 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

probably got me more excited than anything ive ever read alll offseason

by tafkasam on Jun 15, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

"He can curl 100-pound dumbbells several times, no problem"

That’s really impressive for someone with arms as long as his. I can do that, but I’m 6’1 230#.

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by Supafishal on Jun 16, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

atlanta would probably want....

maggette + turiaf….. if we could do magette + bwright i’d be all for… they desperately need a wing who is not a jump shooter…. and my guess is moving j-smoov would be mainly to put horford back at 4, and zaza at 5. Turiaf would be ideal for them… for us though, thats a bad deal….. if we could do mag +BW i’d jump it

by tafkasam on Jun 15, 2009 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

YES GET JOSH SMITH NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

josh smith can dunk, run, block, rebound, and can most likely play uptempo… he is too athletic….

i added josh smith to my warriors team on NBA 2k8 and i won the championship in the first season…… so GET HIM NOW!!!!

PG: jennings,evans, or curry/watson
SG: monta/buike
SF: jack/maggette
PF: josh smith/randolph <<< cant beat that right there……
C: beans/turiaf

YEEE YEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by baydestrian_415 on Jun 17, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

PF: josh smith/randolph <<< cant beat that right there

That’s not even the best PF combo in the state.

josh smith can dunk, run, block, rebound

So can Nate Robinson.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 17, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s not even the best PF combo in the state.

Indeed, it’s probably not even better than what we have now. I’d rather run Randolph 32 / Wright 16 than bury AR on the bench behind JSmooth.

On the other hand, the NBA 2K8 argument is quite persuasive.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 17, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, the NBA 2K8 argument is quite persuasive.

While that may be true, anything that can get a GSoM blogger to write “YEEE YEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!” must be a good idea.

Riley! Make it happen so we can hook up some more YEEEEEEEEE!!!

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 18, 2009 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

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