RUMOR: Warriors could select Jordan Hill and trade Brandan Wright or swap to get Terrence Williams
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 16, 2009 2:45 PM PDT
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This certainly isn't as juicy as our earlier rumor (RUMOR: Warriors promised Monta Ellis they will not draft a play-making guard to appease him), but it's still interesting.
The past two years we haven't seen the Wright stuff.
Jump for the 411.
From Chad Ford's 2009 NBA Mock Draft Version 5.0:
I'm hearing significant buzz that Jordan Hill could be the pick if the team ends up making a trade for Brandan Wright. Louisville's Terrence Williams is also high on the board at Golden State. Seven seems too high, but don't be surprised if the Warriors are willing to do a swap to get him.
This is the first I've heard of the Warriors looking to move Wright in a few months. It wouldn't surprise me the least bit if he was shipped away this offseason given his lackluster performance thus far with the Warriors. Wright was cemented to Nellie's bench his first year and didn't impress all that much when he finally got some playing time in his sophomore campaign. To his credit he was plagued by what looked like an extremely painful shoulder injury last year. He did have his moments, but again this is an 82 game season and moments aren't going to cut it. Nellie has even publicly stated that the starting power forward job is now Anthony Randolph's, not Wright's.
This would be a very unfortunate way to close the book on that disastrous Jason Richardson trade with the Bobcats that expedited the Dubs descent from WE BELIEVE. The Warriors essentially gave away a key cog in that unBELIEVEable spring run and the heart and soul of this team for basically nothing. Now I'm not saying that the last few years on J-Rich's contract aren't too expensive, but that was a terrible, terrible trade at the wrong, wrong time. It was a move loser franchises make. When you barely squeak into the playoffs and end a 13 year drought you should be focusing on immediate returns, not building for some mythical bright future dependent on several deeply flawed players.
A few interesting links from the archives:
- Player Recaps and Predictions: Brandan Wright (10/26/08)
- Draft Day Reflection (6/29/07)
- 23 Post Draft Day 2007 Warrior Thoughts (6/30/07)
- JRich or Die Flying (6/28/07)
If the Warriors do wind up selecting a non-"play-making guard" in a reportedly a point guard heavy draft when it's obvious they need passers and facilitators, a lot of folks are going to be scratching their heads wondering about the Moped Factor.
99% of rumors never happen, but 99% of them are fun to talk about!
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I don't know what I'm more upset about....
Over-reaching for T.Williams or the spin that is going to come out of the FO saying that this was the right move. Basketball Gods, WHY HAVE THOU FORSAKEN ME!!! lol
by UCdubsFan on Jun 16, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I sent in a message a week...that we are looking to trade up
and guarantee a “fit”. Think #2 or # 3. If that doesn’t work, then take our position and trade away our pick. The last move →down is a last resort and will involve trading for a vet.
by streetballer on Jun 16, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Louisville fan in the bay area......
It may be overreaching, but in this draft, to achieve greatness you need to take a gamble. It’s the truth my friend. The Warriors are my second favorite team behind the Pacers and i root for them all the time and i see a lot of games, but few of Brandan Wright. I don’t like what i see from this guy, Randolph is MUCH MUCH better. I will say this, Terrence Williams is one of the most NBA ready players in the entire draft. He has incredible strength, has amazing instincts on the court and is an incredible leader. He singlehandedly saved Louisville in the NCAA tourney and he was a point guard in highchool and a point forward in college, so he can run an offense as potent as the Warriors. Trust me, they are loded with scorers, and T-Will with his rebounding and defense and all around game can help posibly give the Warriors the spark that they’ve needed. Good luck Warriors,
GO PACERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by indikid24 on Jun 17, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only concern is Williams’ shot. He had a terrible FG% in college. But his defense, rebounding and assists are all +’s in my book.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 17, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shooting, unlike rebounding, is one of those things that guys can improve upon. I do promise a post about as much soon, but I’ll probably wait until after the draft when the discussions get slow. I’ve got cool graphs.
A teaser: there doesn’t appear to be much difference in the improvement pattern for shooting of guys who skipped most or all of college and guys who stayed in school longer.
by jae on Jun 17, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they look like electronic synthesizers again?
Or are they going to blow my mind even more?
I’m so excited already!
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 18, 2009 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My concern is while Williams wasn’t dominating the NCAA, Brandon Wright, who’s the same age as Williams, was doing good things in the NBA…
by Missing Barry on Jun 17, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would this trade look like?
Draft Jordan Hill at #7 and trade B Wright straight up for the rights to Terrence Williams? Where ever he may land in the draft…
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by JustSomeName on Jun 16, 2009 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Since Brandan was a former lottery pick, hopefully we can pick up another asset in addition to T-Will.
I’m as high on Brandan as anyone, it would sadden me to see him go, but Randolph softens that blow. I think Brandan, if he could ever get healthy, can be a solid starter and maybe sniff an All-Star selection or two.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 16, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't see a lot of people talking about this but...
Let the “PICK PATTY MILLS IN THE SECOND ROUND OF THE NBA DRAFT” MOVEMENT begin!
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by RayAlmeda on Jun 16, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
/Flushhhh./
Ah well, the movement was fun while it lasted…
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 16, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d rather have the memory of Zarko than a 2nd Patrick Mills.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 16, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JOEY DORSEY!!
THE NEXT BEN WALLACE!!!!!!! ’NUF SAID!!!!!!
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JRUE!!!!!!!
ERIC SNOW 2.0!!!!!!!!!!
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 16, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been talking about this! We definitely should trade for a late 1st early 2nd round pick to get a backup PG – I’d love for it to be Mills.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Warriors don't have a 2nd round pick
San Antonio has it somehow from Phoenix which was from the Zarko trade.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 16, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
J'Rich
Everyone seems to forget that the Wright for J’Rich deal basically cleared money for signing Biedrins and/or Monta.
by b. "start me up" king on Jun 16, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You seem to forget
This piece was written by Atma Brother One… JRich fanboy extraordinaire. The rest of us understand this, him not so much.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 17, 2009 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t get it. So we’re going to draft Jordan Hill at #7 and trade him and Wright for Terrence Williams, even if Williams goes after the #7 pick?
Or are we keeping Hill and just trading Wright for Williams? Therefore, getting Hill and Williams? I’d like Hill over Wright, due to the fact that B Wright can’t seem to add any bulk on his frame.
by aBulldog on Jun 16, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
keeping hill, getting williams in exchange for wright.
before anyone thinks too hard about this, i’d like to see a list of teams that we are talking to about such a deal. i like williams a lot and if we think hill will be better than wright (or at least makes more sense on our team and is comparable in terms of quality), then i wouldn’t mind this deal at all. that said, i don’t know enough about hill and haven’t seen him enough times to be too excited about this deal. if we’re dealing wright, then we need to have a backup plan for the backup 4 spot. i’m confident in hill’s ability, so we’ll see how this plays out.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t watched Hill really since his sophomore year. But his rebound rate is pretty good. He’s got some bulk on him and has good measurements. It would certainly qualify as Larry Riley’s’ definition of “beef”.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 16, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of this depends on many things, like Hill lasting until #7.
by jae on Jun 16, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if we did this, I wouldn’t be too sad about not drafting a PG, with this, we’d be a pretty deep team in both guards and forwards.
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by JustSomeName on Jun 16, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“that was a terrible, terrible trade at the wrong, wrong time. It was a move loser franchises make.”
Even in hindsight I don’t agree with this. It was a move to free up some money, and it was going to be successful. Then we traded an expiring contract for Jamal Crawford, signed Corey Maggette, and extended Jack. Without any of those moves we’d have a nice amount of cap space right now (can you say Turkoglu!), and the J-Rich deal would have been a nice part of that. So I think it was really the subsequent moves that made the J-RIch deal bad.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd!
Atma will never compute this
by 123707THIZZ on Jun 16, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i seriously thought that j-rich trade was one step closer to getting KG.
=/
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 16, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also.
Just the fact that the Warriors did bad moves after the J-Rich trades, makes the J-Rich trade stupid.
Think about it. It was a gamble, either that move leads us into doing good or bad; it lead us to screwing up the team. Therefore the J-Rich trade is bad.
Had we done the J-Rich trade and then made great moves after, then the J-Rich trade would have been good. It was the move that sparked everything to go wrong afterwards.
So I think it was really the subsequent moves that made the J-RIch deal bad.
So yes. You just candy coated the trade to make it look awesome, but you and ATMA still have the same conclusion:
The Jason Richardson trade was a bad move to make.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 16, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you bold it it must be true. ;-P
Let’s set aside the fact that JRich is an average player who has never made his teams better. And let’s set aside the fact that Brandan Wright, when healthy, is a more efficient player than JRich, with much more upside, for much cheaper, a much more valuable position. And let’s aside the fact that if we don’t trade JRich, we lose either Biedrins or Monta this offseason.
Here’s my calculus:
We don’t trade JRich = we improve by a couple games in ‘07/08 = we slip a couple slots in the ’08 draft order = we don’t get Anthony Randolph.
Randolph = the only player worth a crap the Warriors have had since Webber left.
Based on that calculus alone: The Jason Richardson trade was a fantastic move to make.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 16, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At one point in his career, JRich was much more than an average player. I say we all remember those good times. I loved me some JRich back then.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
He was (and is) a good rebounder and a reasonably efficient scorer for his position. He was (and is) a poor ballhandler, passer and defender. On average … average for a starter. The Warriors got a bit better when they got rid of him, and the Cats got a bit worse after acquiring him. The Cats got a bit better when they got rid of him, and the Suns got a bit worse after acquiring him.
My personal most valuable Warriors since the Webber trade…
1. Randolph
2, Baron
3. Monta
4. Biedrins
5. Jamison
6. JRich
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 16, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no love for Jackson? I can’t stand Jack’s extension, but on a most valuable list I’d put him ahead of JRich. And I’m down with the love for Randolph, but putting him ahead of Baron seems a little premature.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think JRich edges out Jack at his Warriors peak.
On AR v. BD: it’s not totally logical, but Randolph is the only player since Webber whose departure from GS would devastate me. There’s not even a close #2.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 16, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph is the only player since Webber whose departure from GS would devastate me
thats fair, I take it back. Though the only reason Baron’s departure didn’t devastate me was because of the money. If someone gave Randolph 65 million to leave right now I’m not sure I’d be devastated.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Now that I think of it, #2 on the devastation scale (if not the overall rankings) was Arenas. He could and did devastate me. But part of that the ridiculous and unfair circumstances that allowed him to walk. I think even then, pre-jae-school, I had a basic understanding that a 6’3" chucker, no matter how exciting he was, wasn’t the centerpiece of a championship contending puzzle.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 16, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
p.s. obviously I loved JRich back then, too — he worked hard, was a joy to watch, and seemed like a very likeable guy. He was the Warriors for a couple seasons. I just get a bit tired of adding the disclaimer “much as I loved JRich” every time this discussion comes up…
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 16, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, this is what kills me. Warriors fans too often just remember the post-injury JRich. He scored, he rebounded, he didn’t turn it over too often, and his D, while not great, wasn’t terrible. Probably around average. This was before waving your hand at your guy as he went by you was an acceptable practice for the Warriors. He was miscast as a #1 option, but he was a good player.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. But the guy they foisted on Charlotte for the #8 pick in a deep draft (and potentially a shot at KG) was the post-injury version, with the burdensome contract. Total no-brainer trade, imo.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 16, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah, but I choose to remember the pre-injury version that I loved. And I think you should, too. That was my original point.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, but that shouldn’t affect your view of the trade
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade was post-injury
And… even pre-injury, he wasn’t going to be worth $13M to us this year and $14M next year… it was way too much money for a good but not great player. It was indeed sad to see him leave, but it was a move that had to be made because of the mistake of signing him to waaaaayyyyy too much money in the first place. The fact that we got a #8 draft pick out of it and a shot at KG was just icing on the cake.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 17, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it doesn’t. I’ve made the case for why it’s a good trade.
by Missing Barry on Jun 17, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how would there be cap space right now?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty simple math. We’re $8.6 mil over the cap according to ESPN’s NBA trade machine. Take away Crawford’s $8.6 mil, Jackson’s $7.1 mil, and Maggette’s $8.3 mil, and that’s cap space. Honestly I can’t remember if Jack would have had one more year on his deal without the extension, if he did, he’d be a valuable expiring contract.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrington would have another year left too, right?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrington has a player option for next year.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 16, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really? same thing as Crawford? I assume he’s even more likely to exercise his than Crawford though, so I’m still not clear how we would have the cap room to go after Turkoglu
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford’s option is for 2 years so trading them for each other actually cost the Wairrors 1 year @ approximately $10mil plus they lost Harrington’s expiring as a chip.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 16, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
duh. I don’t know why that slipped my mind, I knew Crawford’s was 2 more years…. I didn’t know Harrington’s last year was a player option though
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So 2 expiring contracts, perfect for any team gearing up for a run at the Lebron/Wade/Bosh FA offseason. And one useful player to go along with those contracts. Would have given us a lot of flexibility and options…sigh.
by Missing Barry on Jun 17, 2009 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is this vote even close!?!?!?!?!?!
I watched a lot of AZ games this year. Jordan Hill as a junior was not as good as BWright as a freshman, and they both played in equally challenging conferences.
If Jordan Hill (at his current size, experience, talent) was drafted in the same draft class as BWright, he would be a late first round to 2nd round pick.
I can’t believe how many people are buying into the hype of this weak ass draft. Ridiculous.
by myk on Jun 16, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But what has B Wright done in his last two years that shows that he’ll be anything more than a role player? And MAYBE a starter on a weak team….
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by JustSomeName on Jun 16, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what has B Wright done in his last two years that shows that he’ll be anything more than a role player?
I don’t think that the term “role player” means all that much. Almost all players are “role players” though if that role is “being a leading scorer” they are more highly regarded by media and fans whether or not they’re actually that important or valuable.
But what has Brandan Wright done to show that he might be a valuable player? He’s shown that he scores points at a more than respectable rate on a rather impressive FG% and well above average scoring efficiency. He gets to the line a reasonable amount for his shooting volume and hit at a reasonable (more or less average) rate when he got there. If it’s just garbage points, somehow there seems to be a whole lot more garbage points to score when he’s in than when he sits. He is an above average shot blocker and he doesn’t turn the ball over. He gets much strife for his rebounding here, but it’s not by any stretch terrible. It’s below average for a PF, but not so far as to counter the good things he does at the offensive end.
When he’s played, he’s been a valuable player. His biggest problems have been that Nellie doesn’t like him (and occasionally Nellie has been straight up stubbornly wrong about productive players) and hasn’t given him consistent minutes, he got hurt at an inopportune time, and Randolph has shown more promise as the season went on by virtue of being a vastly superior rebounder. He does have a more productive game on offense than Randolph though, so it’s still not entirely a given that he won’t wind up being the more valuable player though if I had to wager at this point, I’d bet on Randolph.
by jae on Jun 16, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
myk
I do agree that Brandan is more talented than Hill. But if Hill can stay healthy and be a guy that can defend opposing big men (something Brandan can’t, and hasn’t been asked to do), grab defensive rebounds, and run the floor in transition, he’d be a great back up. I’m down with that with the 7th pick in this draft full of question marks.
Plus we already have Randolph who can do a lot of the same things that Wright brings to the table. A change of pace big may be what we need. Believe me I agree with you, I like Wright just as much as the next Wright-Homer. But I can see why the Warriors have interest in Hill.
From ESPN Insider per Chad Ford.
In addition to Jennings, the Knicks are also legitimately interested in Arizona’s Jordan Hill, as reported in the New York Post. A rival GM claims Hill is one of the rare players in this draft whose second contract will be a big one. He adds: “Bigs that can run is a requisite for [D’Antoni’s] system.” Hill has a workout Tuesday with the Knicks.
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by kenntoe on Jun 16, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to agree with this a lot. I like Wright, and I think we’re more down on him than we should be because he’s been hurt. He’s got some skills. But he also is a Randolph duplicate, and we’re committed to Randolph, so at least Hill brings something to the table we don’t necessarily have already.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, at least this is a better and more plasaible rummor then the “Monta pouttin” nonsense.
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by qin on Jun 16, 2009 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: disastrous Jason Richardson trade with the Bobcats that expedited the Dubs descent from WE BELIEVE.
In what universe does IMPROVING from 42-40 to 48-34 considered a disaster? That makes less than no sense.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 16, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Come on man
You’re sharp enough to realize why it’s incredibly misleading to draw conclusions purely on those 2 total records.
Spring WE BELIEVE team > 07-08 9th seed team any day
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 16, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: You’re sharp enough to realize why it’s incredibly misleading to draw conclusions purely on those 2 total records.
I don’t think I’m “sharp enough” to completely distort reality to conform to my baseless assertions.
If that were the case I would be referring to this place as “Golden State of Free Money for bloodsweatndonuts”.
it’s incredibly misleading to draw conclusions purely on those 2 total records.
It’s not the complete analysis of why that was a good trade, but the 6 game record improvement is more than sufficient to demonstrate that it wasn’t a disaster by any reasonable definition of the word “disaster”.
Monta’s moped accident combined with Baron leaving is a “disaster” in the context of a sports franchise. Improving your team’s record while getting younger and clearing room to sign your young core is not a “disaster”.
If you want to go point by point with me as to why you think it was a bad trade, I’d be more than happy to try and understand your point-of-view and maybe other people will too.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 16, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very fair points
I call it disaster because it cost the Warriors the playoffs in 2008 and I doubt this team would be this bad right now if they kept JR. Again, trading Richardson was fine. However, that trade was a bad one. They shipped out a guy who fit great in Nellieball and was the team’s leading scorer during that crazy 16-4 run for basically zero return for 2 years.
If you want to go point by point with me as to why you think it was a bad trade, I’d be more than happy to try and understand your point-of-view and maybe other people will too.
Definitely. Let’s save it for another piece I’ve been working on though.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 16, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Let’s save it for another piece I’ve been working on though.
Works for me. It’s one of those topics that needs to be put to rest. I still like the trade. J-Rich was my favorite player, not because of his ability to generate wins, but because he was fun to watch, played hard, made spectacular plays and seemed like he really gave a crap about a franchise and fanbase that nobody else did. That’s why he was my favorite, not be cause he was a volume shooter at an easily replaceable position.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 16, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Sprewell choking incident up until the trade for Jackson/Harrington, J-Rich was pretty much the only good thing to happen to the Warriors.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Him and Jamison’s 51 point games back-to-back. Arenas too. Terry Cummings was fascinating to watch as well. Bob Sura’s hair and that 10-day contract dude who body-slammed Shawn Bradley were the lows.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 16, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Jamison’s games were entertaining, but overall Jamison was a disappointment. Gil was arguably the worst thing to happen to the Warriors, one good year and he’s gone via a loophole in the CBA. That kind of thing only seems to happen to us.
I mean, I can’t say I didn’t enjoy some other things, Brian Cardinal for instance, but JRich was the only thing in that time period that actually made me happy to be a Warriors fan.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean signing Derek Fisher didn’t make you happy to be a Warriors fan? That might be the low point of my Warriors fandom
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to lie. I was juiced when we got him. His wife is hot.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 17, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we kept j rich monta never would have brokeout into a premier scorer
it was j rich or ellis
by gsw.raiders on Jun 18, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
The Warriors were already going to improve their record from 06-07 to 07-08 no matter what. It was a given.
- Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington came late to the Warriors in 06-07.
- Jason Richardson was out for 2 months in 06-07
- Baron Davis was out for 3 weeks in 06-07
- Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy were playing a lot of minutes for the Warriors in 06-07
etc. etc. etc.
The Warriors overall record in 06-07 does not represent how good they really were. The WE BELIEVE team only played 21 games together in the regular season and played 2 series in the Playoffs. Even though the Warriors improved their record the next season, it does not completely mean that the 07-08 team is better than WE BELIEVE team.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 16, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: LOL
I’m glad that people making sensible statements make you laugh. I must be the equivalent of Chris Rock Dane Cook for you. You’re welcome.
The Warriors were already going to improve their record from 06-07 to 07-08 no matter what. It was a given.
Right, because it took a 15-5 and 7-1 finish to get to 42 wins. You can’t just plug-in an 8 or 21-game stretch and extrapolate it over 82 games. Does your entire point rest on that insanely hot streak would just go over 82 games? A streak where they were sneaking up on teams, some teams that weren’t even playing for anything?
Even though the Warriors improved their record the next season, it does not completely mean that the 07-08 team is better than WE BELIEVE team.
Would you call it a disaster?
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 16, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Imagine the rockets’ recent win streak extrapolated over a full season! Undefeated!
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, I would call it a disaster.
I’m glad that people making sensible statements make you laugh. I must be the equivalent of Chris Rock Dane Cook for you. You’re welcome.
No, because you’re comparing the two seasons as if it proves something about the Warriors becoming better after the trade. The Warriors were never AT THEIR BEST in the 2006-2007 season, and they were riddled with injuries. In 2007-2008, they were basically a healthy team the whole year and had a full roster except for their 1-6 start without Stephen Jackson to start the year.
OMGAWDZ! HOW DARE I LAUGH AT SOMEONE MAKING SENSIBLE SENSE!
Bitch please, i’m laughing at your opinion. Don’t act like you’re opinion is the greatest opinion of all time and that people shouldn’t laugh at you. I go on and on with my points yet I don’t get all mad and butthurt when people disagree with me, at the same time I don’t get a big head and act like what I say is important and 100% fact instead of just my belief.
Right, because it took a 15-5 and 7-1 finish to get to 42 wins. You can’t just plug-in an 8 or 21-game stretch and extrapolate it over 82 games. Does your entire point rest on that insanely hot streak would just go over 82 games? A streak where they were sneaking up on teams, some teams that weren’t even playing for anything?
Wow, first of all it was 16-5 and 9-1. And I never used it as a microcosm to say that the We Believe’s 16-5 record would equal into an 82-0 record had they played a full season together.
Did you not see where I took into account the fact that the Warriors barely were at full strength that season? Jason Richardson was out for 2 months with a hand injury, Baron was out for 3 weeks from knee surgery, Mickael Pietrus and Troy Murphy both had broken noses, Ike Diogu was out for a whole month, we had no depth due to inexperience and guys like Foyle not getting any run, Dajuan Wagner was not even healthy enough to play etc. etc. etc.
It’s not like the Warriors were at their very best during that whole 2006-2007 season, so don’t act like that year showed the best they could do. That’s why I don’t consider their 48 wins the next season an improvement. I bet you if Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington was with the Warriors from the beginning of the 06-07 season, and Jason Richardson didn’t miss 2 months along with Baron’s 3 week absence, then the Warriors easily would have won more than 42 games.
Would you call it a disaster?
Yes, I would. Sure, record wise they improved but they did nothing at all to improve their roster. All they did was progressively make it worse from the We Believe team. I didn’t mind the Jason Richardson trade, I thought it was a step closer to finally getting some help down low for the team. Instead, we invested the money in an undersized drama queen shooting guard who’s turnover prone, a quick big man that has no post game, a bench player who gets payed more than most starters etc. etc. etc. We gave Jackson that extension, traded Harrington for Crawford, let the 10 million trade exception expire blah blah blah.
So yes, it was a disaster. The team was the youngest team in the NBA Playoffs and had a chance to get even better, but they never tried improving their weaknesses and ended up breaking the team apart. Now we’re left rebuilding again when Golden State was a top 8 team in the NBA only 2 years ago. The only reason I still look forward to the team is that they at least have some promising players left over after the dust settled, and that they were lucky to be able to land Anthony Randolph on the team.
BTW, didn’t mean to call you a ‘bitch’. lol, just felt like saying it. I’m super weird.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 16, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: lol, just felt like saying it. I’m super weird.
It’s not super weird to be dumb. Statistically speaking, it’s actually quite common. I actually appreciate that you have little regard for the rules of engagement as they are arbitrary and fairly useless to me.
No, because you’re comparing the two seasons as if it proves something about the Warriors becoming better after the trade. The Warriors were never AT THEIR BEST in the 2006-2007 season, and they were riddled with injuries. In 2007-2008, they were basically a healthy team the whole year and had a full roster except for their 1-6 start without Stephen Jackson to start the year.
Wouldn’t it be more valid to take that 1-6 start and say say “with Stephen Jackson they would have at least gone 3-4 over that stretch which would have given them a 51-31” than it would be to take a strong finish of 21 games and just assume that’s how the season would go? Look at 2004-2005 when the Warriors finished18-8 because they got Baron Davis. Thank god they didn’t break up that core, because they took that 18-8 momentum and trurned it into the identical 34 win season the next year.
Did you not see where I took into account the fact that the Warriors barely were at full strength that season? Jason Richardson was out for 2 months with a hand injury, Baron was out for 3 weeks from knee surgery, Mickael Pietrus and Troy Murphy both had broken noses, Ike Diogu was out for a whole month, we had no depth due to inexperience and guys like Foyle not getting any run, Dajuan Wagner was not even healthy enough to play etc. etc. etc.
You’re just making a baseless assumption. You have no way of knowing or projecting what would happen based on all of those variables. Just because you say something over and over again doesn’t make it valid. I’m not even saying it’s a dumb theory, I’m just saying it’s dumb to be so certain and dogmatic about something you have no proof of.
Yes, I would. Sure, record wise they improved but they did nothing at all to improve their roster. All they did was progressively make it worse from the We Believe team. I didn’t mind the Jason Richardson trade, I thought it was a step closer to finally getting some help down low for the team. Instead, we invested the money in an undersized drama queen shooting guard who’s turnover prone, a quick big man that has no post game, a bench player who gets payed more than most starters etc. etc. etc. We gave Jackson that extension, traded Harrington for Crawford, let the 10 million trade exception expire blah blah blah.
If you think having an improved team is a disaster then you need to spend some quality time, like 30 seconds, with a dictionary. The Jackson extension and Harrington trade had nothing to do with the Richardson deal. But “blah blah blah” is a really solid point.
Also, since you’re throwing every random possible influence into your theory, make sure you include how much better the Western Conference playoff teams were in 07-08 than in 06-07.
I understand that thinking things out and making a coherent point is of little value to most people so I don’t begrudge you your way-of-life. It’s an easier way to live, to just throw incomplete ideas and theories out there and rely on your blind belief that you’re right rather than actually understanding what your own point-of-view. This is why you are most certainly not weird. In fact, you are painfully average.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 16, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
etc. etc. etc.
FIRST OF ALL YOU CAN’T SAY “etc. etc. etc.” OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN THERE ISN’T ACTUALLY ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN ADD TO YOUR CASE. UNLESS THERE ARE MORE THINGS, WHICH I DON"T THINK THAT THERE ARE (unless you look really hard for something) THEN DON’T ACT LIKE YOUR ARGUMENT IS STRONGER THEN IT IS!!
Sorry if that was a bit harsh… :)
And while I agree with you on your basic premise that the Warriors probably would have improved their record, that does not necessarily mean it was a good trade. Because of everything that has happened since the trade (crawford, harrington, wright, ellis injury, baron leaving, maggette, and draft positioning to name some major Warriors related events) it is impossible to know how keeping JRich would have affected all those things.
In my opinion I cannot see how the JRich trade would be anything but good. The best thing that might have come of keeping him would be us not signing Magette, but JRich is Magette in that he is an overpaid wing player, that is at about the same skill level (although a very different player). But even so, that means we would have JR Monta Jack who would all need to play.
Well, anyway this subject has already been beaten to death and I don’t want to spend any more time on it. I think it was a good trade, and if we could have kept JR for 7 Mil a year I would have LOVED to have him.
by freerandolph on Jun 17, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
off topic but.....
does anybody know if it’s possible to get Warriors games on Comcast Sports Bay Area when living in Manteca, CA? Warriors games get blacked here and instead we get the Sacramento Queens, so I called Comcast Sports BA and they said an NBA territory rule exists where all cities within 75 miles of the Team’s hometown are considered that Team’s “protected territory.” Here’s my complaint: Google maps shows that Manteca is about 60 miles from BOTH Sacramento AND Oakland. Here’s my question: Does anybody know someone I can talk to that might be able to accommodate me? Yes, I know I can get Warrior games by ordering NBA league pass, but who wants to pay $200 PER SEASON for something that should be free since I live within 75 miles of Oakland.
by warriantinerks on Jun 16, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Comcast answered your question
It depends on who has the rights to what area if the 75 mile territory crosses over into each others area, I had that problem with the A’s blocking out Giants games until they switched networks.
Where I’m at I have to get League pass and if you can afford it, it is worth it if you like basketball and want to catch a few games you normally would not be able to see.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 16, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get a free preview of league pass for almost a month at the start of the year after that keep calling and saying you’re considering getting league pass and see if they’ll give you another free trial….you won’t always get it and about 3/4 of the way through the season theyll cut you off completely, but if you’re lucky you’ll get a hoops fan/college student/cool dude helping you. I watched A LOT of free basketball this year.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if that works
about 3/4 of the way through the season League Pass starts offering cut rates so maybe then you can get it on the cheep.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 16, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know that, good to know
by that time I had convinced a houseful of friends that were more NBA friendly than my own roommates that they really needed to shell out the money and then basically lived at their place the rest of the season.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I can’t wait for draft day.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 16, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I WANT TO BELIEVE
but, why do I get the feeling every year that any draft pick or draft move by the Warriors ends up to be lame or debilitating? Terrence Williams? Big wow.
by yobo on Jun 16, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
whats up with all this hype around jordan hill?
he sucks…if we’re not going to draft a PG id much rather have derozan.
Gerald Madkins
by gorillas on Jun 16, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but by drafting Hill, we can also go out and grab Williams since trading Wright becomes reasonable because we would have replaced Wright with Hill.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 16, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when was it not reasonable?
wright is very tradeable jordan hill or no jordan hill. plus if we pick hill were just getting another backup on our team cause randolph is our power forward. not hill
by gsw.raiders on Jun 19, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s apparent that the player we draft, regardless of who it is, will not start immediately.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 19, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so sick of seeing TERRENCE WILLIAMS name
UGH, he’s not an upgrade over Morrow or Azubuike, or even Belinelli so why bother.
by Bob on Jun 16, 2009 4:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That would create a huge logjam at the wing positions on the bench.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 16, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Logjams are only logjams if everyone can play. Honestly, Williams is far, far, FAR from a sure thing, so he only figures to be part of the “logjam” if he can actually play the damn game. The other parts of the “logjam” include some guys I’d rather see much less of and some guys who figure to be hurt and some guys who are at an age where it’s likely their minutes will begin to decline sooner rather than later.
by jae on Jun 16, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
defense and passing from the 3…..that sounds turrible!!
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention rebounding, court vision and leadership. all things we don’t need.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention senior, Pitino, and character red flags. (Seniors and Pitino products have a poor history of success in the NBA).
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or he gives nothing that our other wings can't do
and better.
by KeepdaCore on Jun 16, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not going to bail on the guy because pitino coached him, that one seems like a really weak criticism to me.
he’s nba ready pretty much right now (there are disadvantages to being a senior, but that’s a nice perk), and i don’t know what his character red flags are, nor have i heard much about them. he’s young for his class (21) and contrary to what keepdacore says, our wings are not really known for defense, rebounding and passing skills. he’s not the 7 pick, but he’s not that far off.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you and sam23 the same person
or brothers perhaps, you two are like echoes
by 123707THIZZ on Jun 16, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really don’t have a good way to dispute that…
wait! i don’t like thabeet as a pro and sam was a big fan of his (if memory serves)! does that count for anything?
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats only true 99% of the time. We disagree on Thabeet
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are not helping…
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the best part of that is when i was typing, i knew it was going to happen. i hit post and was waiting for sam to chime in with something about thabeet.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we differ again
I wasn’t expecting that, I was actually confused when I scrolled down because I read your post quickly and for a minute thought it was mine and I couldn’t figure out why it was orang-ish and formatted a little differently.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
glad we settled that. sam and i: totally different people with radical disagreements sometimes.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i almost forgot, that that’s only before we start talking politics and (probably) other non-basketball stuff. we must have a bunch of points of dispute once we leave basketball topics; there’s just so much to talk about and disagree on!
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
want to have a set of fanposts where we try to disagree on things? we could start with basketball (and after we fail), move on to trying to debate music, the worth of soccer, movies, books, how fast everyone else would get irritated with this idea, etc. this can’t miss.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea soccer would likely be a good place to start. A couple of my roommates are huge fans and I really have tried to like it but I just can’t. Perhaps because I stopped playing when I was 12 or perhaps because I am a product of what ESPN fed me as a child, but while I recognize the incredible skill and endurance it takes to play the game, I just can’t watch a whole game without thinking about the baseball/basketball game on the other channel.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You probably realize that our lineage acquired opposable thumbs many millions of years ago, allowing us to do things like pick things up making a game where the principle rule is “you can’t use your hands” more than a bit silly.
by jae on Jun 16, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about the part of human nature that never requires me to throw a round object into a tiny hoop? or the part that allows me to kick things? basketball has the same set of flaws (as far as what is useful to human beings goes) and less awesome celebrations.
but it’s still better than soccer, and this is coming from someone who lived in england and got to see how people react to games in bars. the obsession with the game over there is very impressive and what pushed the boulder down the hill into making me a fan.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 17, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The superior nature of basketball over soccer is evidenced by so many things, but we really need not look beyond two critical issues. “Ties” and “shootouts”.
(See, we’re done and we haven’t even gotten to the soccer flopping that would embarrass Vlade Divac.)
by jae on Jun 17, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there’s plenty to be said about a game that has so much riding on a single event that it becomes incredibly tense in working toward that end. scoring a single goal in soccer is an aesthetic experience not just for the players but for the dedicated fans involved. it’s beautiful.
this is before we go into the artistry that makes the building tension all the more amazing. it’s a slow paced, creative force that is made significantly more impressive by the fact that no one is guaranteed anything. you might win, you might lose, you might not. there are some nice life lessons in the game of soccer.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 17, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You see aesthetic experience, I see Brownian motion moving the ball around in a more or less haphazard fashion until in rare, rare instances the random walk across the field happens to get it into the goal.
by jae on Jun 17, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and now we have reached our unbridgeable chasm.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 17, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maestros jae & hack
you’ve just performed a dialectical equivalent of a nice tennis rally between contrasting styles (rafter/hewitt if you fancy the aussies)—i salute you. tennis, now there’s a confined improvisation that can go between distant extremes.
by the.monk on Jun 17, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you two guys were pimping POB and IKE back in the day
I remember seeing people on this board on the POB, and Ike bandwagon back in those years. I couldn’t believe my eyes, I said stay far FAR away from those guys but all I can say now is I told you so.
This year, stay away from Jordan Hill and Terrence Williams, that is all.
by Bob on Jun 16, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its easy to say that now, but do you have proof that you didn’t like those guys? I could tell you I was all about picking KG or Kobe back in the day, but I’d be lying. Yea I liked the Diogu pick, but that experience also changed the way I consider potential draft picks. I wasn’t real big on the P.O’B pick.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of people were on the same page
Red flags sprang up with me when POB said what he really wanted to do was be a chef. Ike I wasn’t sure of but was hoping for the best in yet another under sized PF.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 16, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that about how similar he was to Brand in measurement and, potentially, in style of play and I immediately lost any rational ability to assess his actual game. (that was back when Brand was really, really, really good and not overpaid and busted up)
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they said that he wanted to be a chef.
They just said that he enjoys making cheesecakes in his spare time.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 16, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
POB said that him self.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 16, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The POB was a need pick when no one honestly believed he could fill the need.
by jae on Jun 16, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mullin did. Such a shame he’s gone.
Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 16, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
POB and Kosta P were picks to placate Montgomery
and, yes thankfully he’s returned to his appropriate level
by hardcore on Jun 18, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i officially HATE management.
another GREAT MOVE FOR SUCK.
by KeepdaCore on Jun 16, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the more i think about this whole idea, the more i hate it
Gerald Madkins
by gorillas on Jun 16, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to start the Josh Smith Movement
by rtgunn on Jun 16, 2009 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it could be a lot like the terrance williams movement, but with less passing and effort.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Ball movement, rebounds, and defense? No, we don’t need that right?
Realistically T will is the only guy i see playing next to ellis in this draft. Jack could go back to 3.
I like Wright but Randolph projects to be better and we don’t really need to really tall skinny guys. Hill will have more size than both and will be able to play 4 or 5 if we get injuries. I’d make this happen if it available.
Why so many people shout opinions without back up? If your going to say you don’t like Hill or Williams you would sound more reasonable with an explainaiton. I’ve watched Hill a bunch this year, and williams for the last few years. He’s stepped up his game every year and at worst I see him as a great glue guy like Ariza or Battie or Bowen, again at worst. He didn’t get to the free throw line because he never forced it. He’s a team first guy, was the best player on his team, and was on one of the best teams this year. So if you can’t figure hype out of that math your plan retarded. Will had more hype before, now that he’s older and has improved in every catagory possible he’s lost some, wierd.
I don’t mind drafting a PG if that is what we do but to me it’s an insurance pick in case Ellis doesn’t work out at PG. It’s got to be, cause any pg we draft isn’t going to play (exception Curry). So it has to be insurance, and I’m completely against an insurance pick at 7. Damn if we had a good team and we were worried about someone getting hurt or old but otherwise and inusrance pick is lame and doesn’t fix our biggest issues. If we do draft a PG there better be some trades that solve our Defense and rebounding issues.
by Balance on Jun 16, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrence Williams is the most overrated player on this board.
He is not a shooting guard, he CAN’T SHOOT. He doesn’t get to the line and when he does he can’t make FTs. You can find guys like this in summer league. The draft is about potential, and Williams has NONE.
by Bob on Jun 16, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Will had more hype before, now that he’s older and has improved in every catagory possible he’s lost some, wierd.”
That’s because he was improving in the NCAA. Most players that end up being productive in the NBA leave college long before their senior year – they’re simply above the competition and college guys simply don’t offer the level of competition needed to really improve.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is he a FA?
I assume you were joking, but seriously, if we were to trade Wright and not pick Hill, Smith is a guy I’d love to have splitting time with Randolph at the 4. He’d likely want to go to another contender though.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw Joe Smith. I would be happy never seeing his face again.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
yea I can understand that, but he was never a completely useless player. I have less of a problem with Smith than most, I was firmly in the Antonio McDyess camp before that draft and they’ve had similarly productive, yet fairly disappointing careers (McDyess can attribute his more to injuries than to just not being a great player) I never saw Kevin Garnett becoming….Kevin Garnett, but I can totally understand others having some bad feelings about that pick.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello Riley, Nelson, or Rowell! Draft a friggin point guard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sharunas Marchulenis on Jun 16, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Simple as that, really.
You go for BPA. But the players from 3 to 12 are on the same level, draft the best PG available. So easy, a caveman can do it.
by Bob on Jun 16, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless 3 to 12 aren’t really exactly even
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they are exactly even, i wonder what these teams in that range are doing trying to swap picks. seems silly.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jennings, Curry, Holiday,
Clark, Hill, Flynn, DeRozan, Evans are all on the same level. DeRozan, Curry could go #3 to OKC, but could also be available at #12. I haven’t seen any swapping yet, more fantasy world stuff from Sam/CapNhack, I see.
by Bob on Jun 16, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
difference in opinion from different teams does not equal exactly the same in terms of talent.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, you left off harden and thabeet. those guys seem to be pretty consensus top six picks. and i hear no mention of clark much higher than 11. are you trying to say that you wouldn’t have been happy to get the 3 in this draft because the 7 will have an equally good player available? sorry if i don’t see the 10 guys in that range as having equally good pro careers ahead of them. there are differences in the quality of those players; that’s why scouts and gms are still working on their big boards right now.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffin/Rubio/Thabeet/Harden so say 4-12
Jennings could go 4 to SAC, but all the mocks have him going 11. I’ve read quotes from scouts/gms saying 4-12 is a crapshoot. You and sam are basically the only people on the planet who don’t think so. lol
by Bob on Jun 16, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just because it’s hard to figure out, doesn’t mean those guys are equally talented. i’m not arguing that the order isn’t very murky; i’m saying that there will certainly be a difference in quality of those players. if you think that players 5-12 (not 4-12, if you want count both harden and thabeet) will be equally good pros, you might be the only person on the planet who thinks that is the case. you don’t have an opinion on flynn v jennings v holiday v evans? if you do, then not even you think those guys are identical. it won’t be easy to guess, but you always draft the bpa and there will always be a difference in choosing between two players.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 16, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just because there is some confusion about how those guys are rated doesn’t mean they are rated evenly. I’m guessing most teams have given dramatically different grades/scores/values to the guy at number 4 on their board than they have to the guy at number 12 on their board. Would you say Rubio and Thabeet or Harden grade out evenly? Doubtful, but some teams probably have one or both of those guys ahead of Rubio. The only true consensus in this draft is Griffin at #1, you could say that everyone after that is graded evenly because their projected selection spot varies quite a bit depending on who you talk to, but that assessment would be wrong. I strongly doubt that the Warriors, or any other team, like Evans, Curry, DeRozan, Holiday, Jennings, Hill, etc even close to the exact same amount. If that were the case, wouldn’t the 12th pick be one of the most valuable picks in this draft? And wouldn’t the Warriors be doing just about anything they could to get it, including offering the #7 pick in a straight up swap so they could land I guy they like exactly as much and save a little bit of money at the same time?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what an awesome counter argument.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, almost 400 votes and the poll is dead even.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
189-189 at last check...
Despite the fact that while Jordan Hill was going to keggers and banging co-eds in Tucson, BWright, at the same age, was putting up 16.0 pts (on 54% fg) / 8.7 reb / 2.0 blk / 1.2 to per 36 minutes in the NBA.
The only reasonable argument for Hill over Wright is that he’s got two more cheap years — but that wasn’t part of the poll question (“who will have the better NBA career?”).
The fact that this is close makes about as much sense to me as the fact that Obama-Biden v. McCain-Palin was close.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 16, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Obama has more cheap years than McCain because Obama’s 2 years in the Senate before he started campaigning are pretty similar to two years of keggers and banging co-eds when compared to McCain’s production in 20+ years in the Senate not to mention his military leadership experience. ; )
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for what its worth
Palin has done nothing but make me feel embarrassed and wish she would just take Rush and go away since election day. But I’m guessing most of you hippies feel the same way about this guy-
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that guy.
come on, we need some comic relief in the cabinet.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 16, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh I agree
he keeps me laughing….but when you start thinking about that “heartbeat away” argument that lefties were tossing around in the fall…..
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um... better then that gal from Alaska
truly frightening.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 16, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forreal
How can people who voted for Palin EVER make fun of Biden.
by 123707THIZZ on Jun 16, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well becuse hes pretty easy to make fun of,
Grant it not as easy as Palin but he does have his fair share of goofs. And for the record I actually liked Biden better then Obama when they were debating so I’m pretty Okay with him as VP.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 16, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i think those of us who voted for him should be allowed to have at him
but the people who voted for Palin…..nuh uh
by 123707THIZZ on Jun 16, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there’s a difference between making some political gaffs and being who Palin was…. Biden is not the most inspiring of political figureheads, but Palin with any more power than she has now absolutely scares me.
by gobsta on Jun 16, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on now,
You make fun of Palin don’t you? When you’re in the public eye as much as these folks are AND you’re a clown, (intentional or not) people get to call you out and “have at” them.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 17, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's the Beef?
It’s on Hill and most other PFs in the league.
by JSML on Jun 16, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sam23 and captainhack are the same person
Props to 123707THIZZ for figuring this out. Get an IP check on those two, I bet it tracks back to Warriors HC.
by Bob on Jun 16, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, my.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 16, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say it ain’t so
We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 16, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob=Kawakami? Both love a good conspiracy theory and avoiding all logic and reasoning.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 16, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT!?!?!?!
Kawakami!!! You had me thinking the Warriors were going to actually get KG.
We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 16, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, we are both rowell. this is evidenced by pretty much every post that the “two” of us make. you sir, are a fantastic detective.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 17, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BWright for TWilliams no thanks
First off we have no idea if hill will work out and then were left with a hole at backup pf. Then the actual pick up of williams as a third string sf for at the least a rotation player is not appealing.
by Warriorfan on Jun 16, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just amazing how people are so ready
to give up on a kid, who under any statistical category given his limited pt, ranks very well. oh and he’s 21 years old. i hadn’t heard hills name around here before, why the sudden change.
by KeepdaCore on Jun 16, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Wright is the same age as Terrence Williams…but has actually had some success in the NBA.
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was expected to go 4th a month ago...but his stock slipped , now hes going 5-9?
We USED to Believe...
WE DEMAND IMPROVEMENT!
by RunNdGun on Jun 16, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JORDAN HILL WILL NOT BE BETTER THAN WRIGHT
Your a Jerk.
Your a Jerk.
Your a Jerk.
I know.
by Sinigang on Jun 16, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
dude I keep on saying this
T WILL LOOKS LIKE FRICKIN’ C MAGGS
We USED to Believe...
WE DEMAND IMPROVEMENT!
by RunNdGun on Jun 16, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean a Maggette minus the FTAs and without the great FT%
which = a pile of crap
by Bob on Jun 16, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but with defense, passing ability and impressive rebounding skills, which= a pretty good basketball player.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 17, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his passing ability is SO overrated, he turns it over just as much
if you don’t think he’s less of a passer than Jackson or Belinelli you are overrating him. And the defense won’t translate, people thought Kyle Weaver would be a lock down guy in NBA, what happened with that? He’s so overrated, SO overrated on this board. If he’s so good why is he #20 on the ESPN top 100? Why does DraftExpress have him going #18? Nbadraftnet #22? Damn, enough Terrence Williams talk, we have the #7 pick not the #17 pick.
by Bob on Jun 17, 2009 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his passing ability is SO overrated, he turns it over just as much
Not true. His asst:TO ratio was better than 2:1. Thats pretty damn good for a wing player.
if you don’t think he’s less of a passer than Jackson or Belinelli you are overrating him.
Marco put up about 3.6 assists per 36 mins last season. Considering that he split his time between both guard positions thats not very good. It appears you are overrating Maggette.
And the defense won’t translate, people thought Kyle Weaver would be a lock down guy in NBA, what happened with that?
Thats really a very curious example you chose…..because its flat wrong. Weaver is/was a pretty good defensive player, especially for a rookie. A rookie guard picked in the 2nd round pick who puts up under 10 points and right around 3 assists per 36 minutes and shoots under 35% from 3 pt range doesn’t earn 20 minutes of floor time per game by being a poor defensive player. You’re right, the defense may not translate right away Williams, it rarely does for rookies, but there certainly is no reason to think it won’t ever translate.
He’s so overrated, SO overrated on this board. If he’s so good why is he #20 on the ESPN top 100? Why does DraftExpress have him going #18? Nbadraftnet #22?
Yes he’s not the best prospect in this class, but he’s a wing player who plays defense, rebounds his position well, and passes well and that is, understandably, a pretty attractive package to a lot of us. In ‘06 Monta Ellis was #16 on ESPN’s top 100, while Ike Diogu, Channing Frye and Martell Webster were all in the top 10. All those sites had Adam Morrison at least 5 spots higher than Brandon Roy in ‘07. Please don’t use those boards as your primary argument for or against a players actual ability.
Damn, enough Terrence Williams talk, we have the #7 pick not the #17 pick.
And I don’t think ANYONE is clamoring for him to be the pick at 7. If you had read this post you’d know that the discussion centers on a draft day deal where we trade back to select Williams. Most of us who like Williams (and, honestly, I don’t really even love him, I just think you’re being totally ridiculous with your anti-Williams tirades) have been saying all along that he wouldn’t be a great pick at 7, but if we could trade back and dump a contract, or get a player upgrade it wouldn’t be bad at all. Maybe if you calmed down and listened/read instead of focusing all your energy on being angry that Williams’ name was mentioned we wouldn’t have to have this discussion.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 17, 2009 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The historical success rates for guys picked in the Top 10 compared to guys picked outside the top 10 are night and day. Players picked outside the top 10 have long odds to becoming a successful player. Obviously there are plenty of instances where scouts are wrong, but the fact that Williams is ranked down around ~20 IS a valid point, especially since it’s not a strong draft. NBA scouts don’t think his chances of becoming a contributor are very high.
by Missing Barry on Jun 17, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, wait, wait…are you trying to tell me that rookies picked later have a lower success rate than those picked higher? Thats totally shocking. So I guess maybe we should just go ahead and pick Williams at 7 instead of trading back to get him.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 17, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“So I guess maybe we should just go ahead and pick Williams at 7 instead of trading back to get him.”
Ha good point. What I’m really trying to say is the difference between the top 10 guys (and that means the end of the Top 10, not just the first 5), and the rest of the guys picked is huge. Being regarded as the 7th-10th best prospect in a year, on average, means NBA scouts think you’re much, much more likely to be a successful NBA player than a guy regarded around 20 or so.
For this particular draft you could make the argument that a weak draft class means those guys available around 7, if they were available in most other years, would be more like the 15-20 range and aren’t great bets. But that would also mean Terrence Williams is a really, really bad bet. I’m just really not a big fan of Williams and he’d probably be the one pick we could make that I’d be unhappy with. Well that and trading up for Thabeet.
by Missing Barry on Jun 17, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a pick outside the Top 10 then you’d better hit with that pick. There’s always going to be a Courtney Lee, Manu or Tony Parker in every draft. We just better hope that if our team does trade down, they did their due dilligence in researching said prospect and concluded he could be a steady contributor. I think the fact that Williams is a senior also gives him a certain advantage. He’s got more experience and should now have a good work ethic to get better. I don’t see Williams as ever being a guy that’s going to score 20 pts/per on 50% shooting, but if he can play solid defense, help create for our big men, and knock down open outside shots, i’d be happy.
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by kenntoe on Jun 17, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
scratch that...All he needs to do is be better than Marco/Kelenna/Watson, and I'll be happy.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 17, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
Formally known as PFortyy.
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by Xero on Jun 17, 2009 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Kamakazi + Atma =
2 men who depend on the loyal, numerous and insanely dedicated WARRIORS fans for “hits” on their publications. I like how all of these RUMORS are spread during times when fans find themselves bored and disinterested.
Although I fully believe that Wright may be traded, it seems like Rowell and Riley would have to admit a failure to move Wright draft night, (which I do not thnk Wright is), and which is something they seem incapable of doing.
Whatever you guys say, Wright was a decent sophmore until the injury. How Atma talks about Wright pre injury makes me want to question his opinion. Wright was becoming a player who could really cause an impact on offense and defense, and rumors about trading him for an untested rookie should not be given this much attention.
Wonder what Option Zero's new screen name is....
by danielholl on Jun 16, 2009 10:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
especially when Nelson's factored into it
He’s going to trade his now 3rd year player for a rookie? Affter all that “tough love” he’s already invested in BWright? I dont thank so
by 123707THIZZ on Jun 16, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why in the friggen hell are they giving Ellis leverage?!
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 17, 2009 1:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This has to be the tightest poll in history.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 17, 2009 1:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very off topic
but I was wondering if anyone could link me up with a video of mark davis body slamming shawn bradley hahahah would definitely brighten up my day, thanks for the help!
by Essential on Jun 17, 2009 7:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Found a good compilation
Bradley just getting owned, including mark davis slamming him hahahah…man this was funny, couldnt stop laughing
by Essential on Jun 17, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill regains lead up 7
REPRESENTING THE BAY TO THE FULLEST!!!
by California KID on Jun 17, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jordan Hill
watched Jordan Hill play in maybe 5 games this season at UA- flat out punked Aldrich- kin of like a tougher Camby
OG Hoops addict
by Butchertown1 on Jun 17, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We might not be able to trade down if we want T-Will
He’s now officially the most underrated player in the lottery!
by bleep on Jun 17, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want him if he’s going to be called “T Will”. It’s really, really, REALLY time to come up with more interesting monikers than “first initial/first syllable of last name”.
by jae on Jun 17, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Point taken. How about:
Tere-will
That’s gotta stick!
by bleep on Jun 18, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill you've got to be kidding me
Hill has nothing but a little jumper, he has no inside game. He’s a decent rebounder, but Wright with his athleticism and his little lefty jump hook will get him much further then what Hill can offer.
Anyone who believes that Hill will have a better career than Wright is just fooling themselves. In anyother year Hill is a second rounder at best, but most likely a free agent.
by Rocky632 on Jun 18, 2009 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Your absolutely right
Bay Area Stand up!!!
by W$P Fo Life on Jun 18, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In anyother year Hill is a second rounder at best, but most likely a free agent.
That may be the dumbest thing you’ll ever say in your life.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 18, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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