Nellie Knows NBA Draft: The Warriors and Mavericks Years
What can I say? I'm a real sucka for NBA Draft history. My friend and fellow Dubs fanatic Adam Lauridsen has researched and put together a thought-provoking piece Nelson on Draft Day: An Appreciation over on Fast Break, which examines the 14 drafts Don Nelson has been the head honcho in the front office of the Golden State Warriors and Dallas Mavericks. Unlike Chris Mullin's spotty draft history, it's hard to argue with Nellie's draft and scouting acumen. This is one sharp and shrewd hoops mind.
Nellie and Lucky know NBA Draft. via farm2.static.flickr.com
Make the jump for some foto fun and player highlights.
1988 #5 pick Mitch Richmond (SG) [Basketball-Reference.com]
It's the rock! via www.beckett.com
- 14 year NBA career
- 21.0 career ppg
- 1988-1989 NBA Rookie of the Year: 22ppg, 5.9 rpg, 4.2 apg. 1 steal
- 6 time NBA All-Star
- 5 time All-NBA Team
1989 #14 pick Tim Hardaway (PG) [Basketball-Reference.com]
Killer Crossover. Killer Rookie. via www.checkoutmycards.com
- 13 year NBA career
- Career: 17.7 ppg, 8.2 apg, 1.6 stl
- 1989-1990 All NBA Rookie 1st Team
- 5 time NBA All-Star
- 5 time All-NBA Team
Mini Manute? via www.checkoutmycards.com
- 14 year NBA career
- Career: 9.4 ppg and 8.6 rpg
- 14th highest career total rebounding percentage in league history
- Named to 1995 NBA All-Star Team
Who can forget good ol' Gatty? via www.beckett.com
- 11 year NBA career
- Led league in field goal percentage/ effective field goal percentage in 1994-1995 and finished 2nd and 3rd respectively in 1995-1996
- Named to 1997 NBA All-Star Team
RARE. via farm4.static.flickr.com
- 5 year NBA career
- Averaged double digits scoring twice for the Warriors
A different type of European pick. via media.rockymountainnews.com
- Never played in league- see Wikipedia
- BUST
Little did we know he'd have so much trouble feeding his family. via www.checkoutmycards.com
- 13 year NBA career
- Career: 18.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.0 apg
- 1992-1993 All NBA Rookie 2nd Team
- 1993-1994 All NBA Defensive 2nd Team
- 4 time NBA All-Star
- 1993-1994 All-NBA 1st Team
- 1996-1996 5th in lead points per game at 24.2
1993 #1 pick Chris Webber (PF/C) (via trade for Anfernee Hardaway) [Basketball-Reference.com]
I remember ripping Fantasy Junkie off for one of these back in the day! via www.checkoutmycards.com
- 15 year NBA career
- Career: 20.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.4 blk, 1.4 stl
- 1993-1994 Rookie of the Year: 17.5 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 3.6 apg, 2.2 blk (career high), 1.2 stl
- Led league in rebounding at 13.0 rpg in 1998-1999
- 5 time NBA All-Star
- 5 time All-NBA Team
He sure did make it easier for CWebb to play power forward... on the Bullets, Wizards, Kings, and Sixers. via www.checkoutmycards.com
- 4 year NBA career
- BUST
- 11 year NBA career (thus far)
- Career: 22.7 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 2.7 apg,
- 8 time NBA All-Star
- 9 time All-NBA Team
- 2006-2007 NBA MVP
- Lead league in assists per game 3 times: 2004-2005 (11.5 apg), 2005-2006 (10.5 apg), 2006-2007 (11.6 apg)
- 2 time NBA MVP
- 6 time NBA All-Star
- 6 time All-NBA Team
- Career: 15.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 1.1 stl
- 2003-2004 NBA All-Rookie 2nd Team
- 2007 NBA All-Star
- Another interesting trade.
Quite possibly the tackiest NBA jerseys ever made. via images.usatoday.com
MYTHS
- Don Nelson does not play rookies. See Richmond, Hardaway, Hill, Gatling, Alexander, Sprewell, Webber, Rozier, Nowitzski, Alexander, and Howard.
- Chris Mullin has a better draft record than Don Nelson and his associates. (Nellie draft day All-Star count in Warriors and Mavs years: 9; Mullin draft day All-Star count: ZERO)
- Don Nelson does not draft/ like big men. See Hill, Gatty, Big Vic, CWebb, Rozier, and Dirk.
I can only guarantee you that there's more draft day reflection in store on GSoM. (This is like our playoffs!)
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I'd probably...
…say Richmond. It’s a shame for all Nellie’s draft genius he had such a jones for Billy Owens, though.
In seriousness...
…I’d say it’s hard to argue that Nowitzki is the crown jewel, since he wasn’t traded away/didn’t grow to quickly loathe Nelson (Richmond/Webber respectively). That said, I’ve long been of the mind that the Mitch Richmond trade was the real stroke of the pen that torpedoed the Warriors, if only because he was such an absolute prototype. He would’ve held down the SG position til the late nineties, and looked damn good doing it. I
I realize popular analysis is that Webber was more valuable, but if I could’ve gone back in time and changed one, I probably would’ve kept Richmond and tried to build from there, see if thing shook out differently. I’ve never been a huge Webber guy, though.
My vote: Latrell Sprewell
People might not remember, but this guy was a SUPERSTAR before Choke-Gate. He was (arguably) only behind Michael Jordan in 2-guard rankings back then.
Spree remains the last Warrior to be named to the All-Star and All-NBA 1st Teams. See The Last Warrior
Getting someone like that with the 24th pick is simply stunning.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 19, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
did not know about the all nba 1st team
quite impressive, I do remember him as a great player on both ends of the floor (loved his D). If only he had better players around him… sigh…
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
his defense gets me
i still remember him getting i nthe stance. Beast.
He was very inspiring on D. And that stance- man, that stance was nasty.
It’s really such a shame he didn’t have it all together upstairs. He lost a year of his prime because of that “incident” too.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 19, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
to be honest.
he’s ALOT like Ron Artest…. just @ SG instead of forward
Both of violent outbreaks?
Sorry sorry, had to go there. Haha.
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hahaha pretty much
both where very good offensive players but better known for being great defenders and clinically insane. Both rocked the same stance and stair too
Actually
I’d say he was a faster, hyper-athletic, more skilled, and efficient Stephen Jackson.
Latrell Sprewell in All-NBA season (1996-1997)
24.2 ppg (44.9% FG, 35.4% 3pt, 84.3% FT), 4.6 rpg, 6.3 apg : 4.0 to, 1.7 stl, 0.6 blk
Stephen Jackson (2008-2009)
20.7 ppg (41.4% FG, 33.8% 3pt, 82.6%), 5.1 rpg, 6.5 apg : 3.9 to, 1.5 stl, 0.5 blk
A little eerie. I think everyone remembers what happened AFTER Spree’s All-NBA 1st team selection. Uh-oh…
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 19, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Two hands for safety please!
How come nobody mentions his monstrous dunks with two hands? I mean the guy always dunks with two hands. He does with style too. With the ball behind the head and both legs curl behind him, he throw the rock down with brute force and authority. Try to block that Mutumbo.
If Spree was 2nd best behind Jordan
… There was a HUGE gap.
I remember going to the game in 96-97 season when the W’s were playing in San Jose for a year. The Bulls wiped the floor with the W’s and Jordan pretty much punked Sprewell all game. The box score doesn’t tell the full story, but if you look at the score at the end of the first quarter, you get the point: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199701310GSW.html
If you have ESPN Insider, you can see this article show that the Warriors problem isn’t drafting talent, it’s holding on to it: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/news/story?id=4266076
I think Spree is a pretty clear 2nd, but dude…..Drik Nowitzki for Tractor Traylor
Thing A
"Well I seriously thought he was just tanned." -Nuck Chorris
i had to check on the nash trade before i chose dirk. it was really close until i saw that the pick they traded to get nash turned into shawn marion, who is just a little bit better than tractor traylor. thanks to giving up (a pick that became) marion, i’d have to give the edge to spree for second place in the nellie draft pick rankings.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Kind of sloppy, a couple of errors
Kevin Garnett was rumored to be on his way to the Warriors, but reports indicated that it was vetoed by President Robert Rowell because the team would be over the salary cap
but Agent Zero walked free because the Warriors didn’t want to pay the man.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 19, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think we’ll ever really know what went on with the Garnett trade. I still believe that the deal that Boston put together was better than anything we could have offered since they had the expiring contracts, but it’s possible that there was a deal earlier that got vetoed for salary reasons, though it was the tax, and not the cap which would have been the issue. That’s a common, though still lazy journalistic blunder.
But that Arenas left because the Warriors didn’t want to pay him? Just plain wrong. The Warriors offered everything they could at the time. The problem? The rules at the time allowed Washington to offer more. Much more.
I’m not sure what he means by the Warriors getting Rozier and “missing out” on Kidd and Grant Hill among others. They “missed out” in the sense that they picked well after those guys were picked, not exactly a draft blunder.
It’s also hard to say that Joe Smith was a “mistake”. It didn’t work out as well as guys drafted afterwards, but it wasn’t a questionable pick at the time at all, and even after his first year in the league he looked more promising than Garnett and Wallace.
(And I still feel like it must be said: Warriors improved substantially the year Richmond was traded away. This doesn’t make Owens a better player, but the move didn’t lead to the team’s immediate demise, unless winning 50 or more games twice in three years after maxing out in the low to mid 40s before is somehow ‘failure’.)
The Warriors have made mistakes. Plenty of them. There’s no need to stretch it with revisionist history.
You’re wasting your time breaking that article down man. It’s awful and poorly researched.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 19, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
That’s why I didn’t even bother . . .and you know me, I’ll break down a ham sandwich if someone wants to argue about it.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 20, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
haha, as opposed to everything posted here! was just trying to give you another lead after the AL article AB1, sorry if it didn’t meet your journalistic standards ;-]
All good man. Not hating on the messenger!
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 20, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
BRANDON JENNINGS!!!
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
Too bad Riley is Nellie's puppet eh?
Great post.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 19, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions
Re: Quite possibly the tackiest NBA jerseys ever made
Big Country respectfully disagrees.

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 19, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions
Bryant Reeves!
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 19, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the combination of the player in the jersey
That makes that pic tacky.
Big Country..what a joke. At least he went on to have a dope rap career with Timbaland!
Uuuugggllyyyy! Up in here, up in here!
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That run of 6 drafts starting in 88 where he picked players who would later play in all-star games was unreal. Sure, Gatling and Hill were one-time contestants when the LEastern conference was short on forwards, but it’s still quite an accomplishment. Has anyone else ever taken future All-Stars in as many consecutive drafts?
(Noticed that both the poll and the description list Richmond as being drafted in 19*98* rather than 88. Nellie’s so good at the draft that he can actually bend the space time continuum!)
Haha 1988, 1998… it’s all the same when you get to my age!
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 19, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha Ha
(Noticed that both the poll and the description list Richmond as being drafted in 19*98* rather than 88. Nellie’s so good at the draft that he can actually bend the space time continuum!)
lmao, reminds me of an episode of StarGate :-p
Gotta love the Bay Area drama ;)
a healthy history reminder
among the many blessings of the team’s failure to rise above the cohan ownership’s lifetime winning percentage (≤38, i think) was the coming out party for the nelson bashers. ‘twas kind of atma to have a whole section on myths. in fairness to the coach’s kritiks, some myths have a basis in truth. he’s less likely to give extended play to rookies, ‘bigs’, or rookie bigs if they’re just on his roster intended for another coach or fit a generic need, rather than the requirements of his specific vision for a team. i’ve seen the mantra ‘b-p-a’ repeated plenty on this site, but how nelson defines ‘best’ has a big dose of his want/need. for the present, the best player for him might be the one he can use in a deal to accomplish multiple goals instead of filling a spot on the bench.
Dirk!!
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by i love sports101 on Jun 19, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions
Latrell Sprewell
was an awesome player. had a problem with authority though, but can’t really fault a guy for that…
Commenting on chokegate, then SF mayor Willie Brown was quoted as saying, “He may very well have deserved to be choked…” Despite conventional wisdom, I have to agree with the mayor on this one.
nice pix
and (again) Adam provided a nice appraisal of Nelson’s drafting & interesting analysis of what we might expect this week … curious if anyone has second thoughts about “BPA” now after reading about Nelson’s drafts?
My Favorite Nelson Transaction Ever
February 7, 1997 Nelson is hired as the Dallas GM
February 7, 1997 Released Oliver Miller.
He couldn’t even wait a day to get rid of the league’s fattest player.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 19, 2009 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
+1
They have some pretty interesting personal articles….
GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens
by The Dedication on Jun 19, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Spree For Three!!!
Well I consider myself Sprewell’s biggest fan but I have to say Dirk was Nellies best pick. Now Back to Sprewell. Whatever team he played for was my favorite. When he stopped playing I became a warrior fan all over again, where it all started. He obviously had the PJ situation and then his comments about feeding his family he regrets. (he hasnt spoken publicly since and I read where his agent said he knew he was wrong and felt ashamed).
I’ve had two close friends meet Spree in person and both have had only good things to say.
His intensity was below none. He always had energy it was amazing and like some of you said he was a really good defender that usually got overlooked. He played sf in New york so Houston could play sg and he never complained. He usually defended the other teams best offensive player. I know with the warriors spree was more of a gunner but to me it sure seemed like after that year of not playing his game changed. I always thought New York under utilized his skills and open court ability. They played beat the shot clock under Van gundy. By the time he made it to the T wolves he didnt drive/slash as much but he was a deadly 3 pint shooter. The t wolves should have won it in 03-04(damn Fakers!)
"Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk"
by sprewelllatrell on Jun 19, 2009 9:06 PM PDT reply actions
Nelson will bring his A game after all of last years shenanigans.
I hope.
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
You gotta be kidding me...?!?!?
TIM HARDAWAY was the best of them all – by far
please… hadn’t he injuried his knee in 93-94 pre-season, he would be a 20/10 PG for 10+ years.
Well, nevermind, most of kids today don’t have memory and believe TJ Ford / Baron Davis / other pussies are quick PGs….
=Gaucho=
I picked Dirk but
you’re right gaucho. Hardaway is what got me hooked on Warriors; the playing with his opponent then the killer crossover, the “in yo face” to Barkley…
Hardaway reminds me of what's frustrating about Jamal Crawford . . .
Hardaway used his crossover to set up a basketball play more often than Crawford. He was so quick and coordinated he could use it almost like triple-threat. He could use it to get space for a shot, a pass or drive to the basket for a layup or a dish. It’s not like he didn’t take a lot of ill-advised 3s early in the shot clock, but that’s the latitude star players get under Nelson.
Crawford doesn’t try and make basketball plays nearly as often as his ability would allow him to. He primarily (85%+ of the time?) uses his handles to crate separation for his jumper, which, IMO, is such a waste of what could be a killer tool. I mean, he can cross someone over so bad that they just fall over. Why would you pull up for a 21-footer? If you have one guy down drive toward the basket, people have to rotate and someone is bound to be open for a lay-up or a catch-and-shoot jump shot.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 20, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
*Don Tinker Bell Nelson*
One of the biggest weaknesses of MR Nellie is he over tinkers, this is why he traded Mitch the second coming for Billy O, and is why he was in on the JRich for BW fiasco, it had Nelsons fingerprints all over it:
I like the fact that he is looking to improve but he has a history of ruining the chemistry of the team with some of these bone head moves, this is where a wise owner or GM can help, but the sad part is we have neither, were struck with an inept owner who everyone hates, and a Nelly flunky who owes his career to one, Don, I’m da man
Grump O
Ray Ratto didn't read Adam's article ...
On Draft Day alone, [Riley] has two avenues available to him in that he can either pick the right guy (we’d say Arizona power forward Jordan Hill, but that would mean addressing a need, and the Warriors try never to do that) and have someone else get the credit.
Apparently Ratto’s not paticularly enamored with the PGs available to us either:
Either that, or he can pick the wrong guy (most of the point guards available) and be the one who has to explain it later.
Over the past several weeks, the Warriors have been connected to Hill, but more to any number of point guards – UCLA’s Jrue Holiday, Memphis’ Tyreke Evans, Syracuse’s Jonny Flynn, ersatz Italian Brandon Jennings, North Carolina’s Ty Lawson, even Davidson’s Stephen Curry.
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Ray Ratto didn’t read Adam’s article …
That would require him having at least some small fraction of the hoops insight or intelligence of Lauridsen.
The Warriors have tried to address “needs” before — and ended up with Fullers, Foyles, Diogus, and POBs.
Then again, since Randolph/Wright at PF is less of a question mark at than Monta/CJ at PG, wouldn’t Jordan Hill actually be a BPA pick, rather than a “need” pick?
Meh, it doesn’t matter in the end, ‘cos whoever we pick, Riley will be blamed if he sucks and someone else will be praised if he’s good. This doesn’t have to make sense — Ratto has decreed it thus. And really, it’s a self fulfilling prophecy, since Ratto’s the one who’s going to be doing the praising and blaming.
Super Genius.

Thing 1
what, no Sarunas Marciulionis?
I think Nellie should get a little credit for one of the first good european imports, waaay before the rest of the league, and during the cold war to boot. Nellie lobbied the USSR for years and pretty much had to trade his son to the USSR to get Sarunas to play here. “Rooney” was a great 6th man until his knee blew out, and entertaining as hell. I think he won the 6th man award one of those years. How deep were the Warriors at guard back then? To make roster space for Sarunas we ended up cutting a guy named John Starks.
by TTolbert4eva on Jun 24, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Very true. Thanks for bringing that up. Sarunas was the 127th pick overall (yes you read that correctly).
Here’s his numbers via Basketball Reference. During his last 2 years with the Dubs he put up 18.9 ppg (53.8% FG) and 17.4 ppg (54.3% FG). It was a different era, but compare that to the current guard/ wing crop of the Warriors and there’s no comparison really in terms of efficiency. (Kelenna might be close with his hot 3pt shooting though.)
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 24, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions

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