Do you believe in Monta's ability to be our PG?
by myk on Jun 19, 2009 4:23 PM PDT
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Many of us perceive the PG position as our biggest problem. Nellie has been saying for the last 2+ seasons that Monta needs to be a PG in this league in order to be successful, I agree. He is too small to be a great 2 guard. Many of us feel that Monta should be traded because he doesn't fit well in our backcourt. Others suggest trading back for BD, while others see no problem with Monta being our PG. Here's what I think.
Since BD seems to be everybody's preferred example for a great Dubs PG in Nellie's system, I will attempt to explain how easily Monta can "change" his game into one that is similar, if not identical to Baron's.
Many of us seem to think that Monta needs to become a "Pass First" player to be our PG. I'll submit that this idea is not true. First of all, I would not describe BD as a pass first PG, in fact, the only 2 active PG's I would describe in that manner are Nash and JKidd. Baron looked to get his shot more often than he looked to make a pass.
This is just true. Considering all the offensive threats we had on our team, including Monta, Jack, Al, MB, J-Rich, etc., Baron should have easily averaged 10+ assists in at least one season with us. Nash would have. Baron just simply preferred to score. Which was not (is not) a problem. If you can put up 20 points a game in the NBA, you should do that, especially playing for Nellie. BD was a perfect fit for this team because he wasn't a pass first PG, I don't think we would have won anymore games with Nash as our point. In fact the season where we won the most games with Baron, 48, he had his lowest assist average out of any year with the Warriors at 7.6.
Monta is a more efficient scorer than Baron, and more importantly he is a better shot selector. To me that is one of the main things a PG needs to know how to do to make his team better, when to look for a shot, when to pass. Monta is not one of our Dubs that makes us cringe when he pulls up to shoot, ala BD and Jack, so that is already an improvement. Monta will score more efficiently and more intelligently that BD. Part of the reason Monta does this is because he understands the limits to his game, he is not going to shoot off of one foot falling backwards from 23 ft out, he probably won't even shoot form 23 ft out very much. As stated, he understands the limits of his own game. Even though he is younger, I'd say he does that better than Jack or BD, that makes him a very valuable ball handler.
What else makes him valuable as the primary ballhandler? His quickness. BD may have better handles than Monta, Jamal certainly does, but Monta's quickness makes it just as difficult for a defender to steal the ball from him. Can Monta pass? Yes, he can pass well, that's why he is in the NBA as a guard. Can he pass better than Jack? I don't think so, Jack drops some pretty spectacular dimes, but as I said, Monta is a better decision maker than Jack. He doesn't force as many stupid passes as Jack, sure he has forced stupid passes, so has BD, so has Nash, so has CP3. BD was just coming out of UCLA at this age, Monta has already had 3 years of NBA defense to get used to passing around. If not next season, sometime in the near future, we'll see Monta average Baron's Dubs average of 8.2 assists.
Another point of this post, other than comparing Monta to BD, is to show that as a team, we don't need a prototypical PG. We simply need a solid passer and ball handler at the point. Being that we'll have Dre, AR, Buike, and Jack in our starting lineup it is even more crucial that we have a lethal scorer at the point. That's what Monta is. He is the best out right scorer I have ever seen in a Warriors uniform. I was only born in '88, and I blaze a lot, so my basketball memory doesn't really start til about '96. Since I was so young I paid most of my attention to Michael Jordan. So maybe others of you feel differently, but I still stand pat, Monta is the best scorer I have seen in a Warriors uniform.
So it would be criminal to take that out of his game and out of our team's game. We need Monta to score, we need him to do what he does best. Sure, as our PG he does need to ensure that ball movement is consistent, but I would say that it's more crucial for Jack and Corey to work on that. In order for the Dub's to be most successful as a team they need to have ball movement. Everyone needs to get touches. We have to stop letting Jack and Corey become black holes on offense. Monta does need to set that tone in some regard, but since he's had people telling him he needs to be a PG for almost 3 seasons, and he has had a large number of fans and the media questioning his ability, I believe Monta understands what he has to do; he's also motivated to prove he can do it. We have scorers in almost every position, we're the Warriors, that should make it easier for Monta to become a solid PG.
We are not a typical NBA squad, we don't need a typical PG, Monta is the perfect fit for our squad. The only thing BD does better than Monta is post people up, but now that we have AR, BWright, and Ronny, we don't need Monta to do that. Monta just needs to score when he can, but learn not to force it.
All of this aside, our biggest problem was perimeter D last year. Monta playing the point allows us to play Jack and Azubuike with a legitimate PF, thus greatly improving our defense from last year. Everyone says we need a superstar, Monta is our best shot, and our team is at its best when he is playing PG.
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people need to relax.
monta is a growing talent. he has proven that he can increase his skill by leaps and bounds more than once.
only thing i’d do is draft a PG just in case! worst thing that would happen is they would be a great backup for monta (ie, jennings or holiday)
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by LostHawk on Jun 19, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this year will be montas test
But I think as long as he is healthy and has a training camp under his belt he will be good…. possibly an all star if our record is good enough. I don’t think we are going to draft a point guard and I hope we don’t because it’s either Monta’s our point guard or not. I like the idea of drafting Hill and trading bwright for terrance williams. Thats if Hill is still available. What is Williams deficiencies?? 3 pt shooting?? Most guards have that problem entering the NBA anyways. What do we need to improve on as a team? rebounding, passing, and most importanlty DEFENSE. He is a really good defender( there saying the best perimeter defender in the draft) so it sounds like he adds to our needs.
by FeartheBeard4 on Jun 19, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
**What are Williams deficiencies?
by FeartheBeard4 on Jun 19, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here Here!
This is the monta PG test for sure! Last year he started netting 3-pointers from the curve/tip of the arc; not only that his court vision seemed to improve and that was in just 20 games or so. I think he can definitely assume the position (of a quality PG that is) .
Also, sign me up for T. Will! I’ve liked him the most because of what he can bring us. Defense on a Nellie team . . .? Did, I just say Defense?
by insanenthemembrane on Jun 19, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
22 year old rookie who can’t shoot? and he’s suppose to be a shooting guard. I’m sorry i’ll pass.
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by Sinigang on Jun 19, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a great defender, rebounder and passer, and he can play either wing position. that’s a solid prospect.
this draft is loaded with poor shooters in our range, so if you want to criticize williams’ lack of a jumper, you better not want jennings, evans, holiday, derozan or flynn. while those guys are all younger than williams, aside from shooting, williams really does it all. he’s going to be a good nba player (but probably not for us, if i had to throw a guess to it).
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by cap'n hack on Jun 19, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopia with ube
Gotta love that $hit. Sorry. I know it has nothing to do with what you said. But your name/food made me think that.
by Golden Boy on Jun 20, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you referring to Monta?
I’m not sure if 8 (his number!) made basket counts as at lot. (Not that you’re referring that he made a lot of 3 point baskets…but “started netting 3-pointers from the curve/tip of the arc…”)
by Shells on Jun 20, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also......
When he said he needed a week off to make a full recovery thats when he bounced back to finish of the season averaging 23 points 4 rebounds 4 assists
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by i love sports101 on Jun 20, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad we are drafting Jennings!
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by Sinigang on Jun 19, 2009 5:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Ellis doesn’t have that natural floor general instinct.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 19, 2009 5:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
would you have said that Chauncey Billups had that “natural floor general instinct” after his first few years?
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by sam23 on Jun 19, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember correctly, Chauncey was being recruited as a PG and was a top recruit. and Roy Williams really wanted him So yes, you definitely can say he had some of those PG skills in his first few years.
But if you argue that way, you can argue “would you have said that Michael Jordan would’ve become the best player in the NBA if after going 3rd” or even "wouldd 15 teams have said that John Stockton had that “natural floor general instinct” after being drafted 16th?"
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by ejdacanay on Jun 20, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Those aren’t the same kinds of examples at all. My point is that not all guys who have “great floor general instincts” show them in their first few years in the NBA. Considering that Monta is even younger than Billups was at this point in his career, and Billups certainly didn’t show any of those “instincts” immediately, i don’t think its safe to write Monta off as a PG yet.
Thing A
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by sam23 on Jun 20, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird
Your timestamp says you posted this way before I did, but it popped up at the same time as mine on my computer. I know there is a delay sometimes but I’ve never seen a comment take seven minutes to show up…
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by olympicmike on Jun 20, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta was being scouted as a combo guard, Chauncey a PG
There’s a big difference in that as well. Chauncey and Monta’s skillets were different when they were drafted. Chauncey’s case is uncommon, if not rare, but he it now appears he did warrant that 3 spot. Monta came into the league with a SG skillset, with a minimal if not an inadequate PG skillset, while Chauncey was the opposite of that, but with an adequate scoring guard skillset.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 20, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scouting, draft vs actual NBA performance...
Chauncey was also selected 3rd overall and Monta was selected 40th. I think that how they were scouted or where they were drafted tells you much less than their actual NBA performance. Whether he was scouted as a PG, scoring PG, or a combo guard, Chauncey’s learning curve was still what it was. This doesn’t really say anything definitive about Monta at all, but it’s a nice reminder that the position takes some time to learn for some players, and that there is still hope for Monta.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 20, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
when Chauncey was the same age Monta is now he was coming off his first year of his first (and much less successful) run in Denver, with per 36 averages of 4.2 assists, 2.3 rebs, and 15.1 points on 38% shooting from the floor, and 36% from 3 pt range. The next season he was even worse. What the scouts thought about him coming out of high school seems pretty irrelevant, but I’m guessing they sure didn’t think he would be a successful NBA PG in ‘01/’02
Thing A
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by sam23 on Jun 20, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
though the thing about Chauncey was his Assist% even in his 1st 4 years was at bare minimum PG level (in the 20% range) – his problem was his TO% was ridiculously high ranging from the mid 14%s to a little over 18%.
his real problem during those 1st 4 years was that he couldn’t shoot. he shot in the mid to high 30s overall and in the low 30s from 3… if you don’t have to respect a slower player’s jump shot, it’s going to be difficult for that player to drive around you – but a guy who shoots 85%, 92% & 84% (twice) from the line certainly should have the tools to become a good shooter.
what catapulted Chauncey was his 3 point % went from the low 30ish range to low 40ish range & his FG% going up from mid to high 30s to low 40s which altered him from a TS% in the low 50s to around 60.
once defenders had to respect his shot & play up, he had a much easier time getting around guys and making plays, leading to more assists. (i’m just going to assume what Hollinger says about most players with high TO rates early on reduce them over the years is true.)
Monta is a little different. his highest season was 18.8%, he’s already cut his higher TO rate from the 1st 2 seasons down to 11-12% (it’s not much likely to get any lower). i tried looking for successful shoot 1st PG’s with an assist% that low, but Parker was in the mid to high 20s his 1st 3 seasons, even tunnel vision Iverson has never had a season under 23%.
imo, the biggest problem is something that can’t be measured, i don’t think Monta has PG level handles. and ball-handling seems like something that doesn’t improve much over age (unlike shooting, decision-making & defense).
judging by his FT% & Assist%, it’s hard to see Monta ever being the shooter or passer that Chauncey is, but he should be fine in Nellie’s system as long as he keeps his TO rate low and we have a swing player who is also a good distributor.
The next season he was even worse.
this sentence is a little unfair since he only played 13 games the next season (injury?). he shot only 17% from 3 in those 13 games, but had he played more, i’m willing to bet he’d eventually get over 30% from distance.
by the evil monkey on Jun 21, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing the court vs. seeing the score
The best point guards take about 3 seconds to see the play. They beat the initial defender and get to the place on the floor where they envisioned the winning play would become available. If the play isn’t there, they either backout, or if they’re good turn it into gold. I would have a hard time convincing anybody that Monta has that ability to see the play three moves ahead, know exactly where he needs to beat his man and get to on the floor to make the scoring pass.
That is a gift. Some players have it, and some don’t. Just because you have a good passing touch does not necessarily mean you’re a good passer or have the potential to be a good point guard. It’s your genius of the game and how quickly you can break down the game off the fly.
Monta sees the opponent and maybe might predict which way the strong side center is going to shift, or when he’s going to turn his head, and that’s a whole other story. Beating your man and then improvising based on what the shotblocker does is not that difficult to do. Ellis just looks good doing it because he’s probably the most athletic player in the league. I’m not even saying he can’t be a point guard, but he’s got a lot to learn obviously, and just because you’ve shown a little finesse as a passer doesn’t mean you can run a team.
by lilboots on Jul 2, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if you argue that way, you can argue "would you have said that Michael Jordan would’ve become the best player in the NBA if after going 3rd" or even “wouldd 15 teams have said that John Stockton had that "natural floor general instinct" after being drafted 16th?”
That’s not really the same thing. I think the point is that you can’t write him off based on his first few seasons that he spent most of his time playing off guard. While it doesn’t make Monta more likely to become a reliable point guard, Chauncey is a good reminder that it can take PG’s more time to develop than a lot of other positions. He didn’t really come into his own until about age 24 or 25.
As much as people throw around the “big men take longer to develop” line, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if when you really looked at it you’d find that PG is the position that takes the longest to develop. Maybe it would be a good subject for one of JAE’s Mythbusters articles.
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by olympicmike on Jun 20, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that guards tend to take longer to develop than big men. An 82games article looked at the data a few years ago and stated that big men took longer to develop, but their data said exactly the opposite. They charted players over their first 5 years and showed that the average guard had a slow but steady increase, while over that time, the average big man didn’t show much increase at all. The good ones were good early on, the bad ones flatlined at “suck”. Their conclusion was that it took bigs longer than their study period to develop, but couldn’t actually find a point where the bigs who weren’t that good to start with ever got good. Saying that they take longer to develop implied that it will happen, but that wasn’t demonstrated at all. A more accurate statement that fits better with a larger data sample is that bigs who aren’t good early on tend to suck forever. Guards don’t necessarily follow this trend.
It’s not really surprising to me based on the components that we see in good/bad players. The important things that bigs do is more dominated by rebounding and that rarely improves. Scoring efficiency seems to be something that does improve for players and relative to the bigs, scoring plays a more predominant role in the contributions of a guard. I haven’t looked at PG vs other guards, in large part because my dataset doesn’t really make that distinction. (Position distinctions themselves are somewhat arbitrary to begin with, so I’d want a way that separates them automatically to avoid a classification bias.)
by jae on Jun 20, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely agree with you, and would also add that decision making and reading defenses both take some time for young players to develop and that these two components are vital for point guards but not as essential for bigs (who can still rebound, defend, and generally bang) to be productive.
by rjnarayen on Jun 21, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why couldn’t he have Marco’s passing/court vison/ creativeness abilty. And why couldn’t Marco have Ellis driving ability?
God sure bless Monta with scoring ability and hops but not with Court Vision.
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by Sinigang on Jun 19, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Monta can drive anytime!
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by RunNdGun on Jun 19, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Hit the nail on the head.
The Warriors don’t need a PG per say, but to borrow a term from Phil Jackson an Offensive Initiator. There are very few pass-first PGs. The pure PGs that are starters in my eyes are Kidd, Paul, Deron, and Calderon. With that said, while Monta will probably be never a pass first PG he can mature into an Offensive Initiator.
Anyone who has played any organized basketball knows there are two staple plays for getting assists with the ball in your hands…. 1) Pick and roll and 2) drive and dish. Luckily for us Monta does both of these tasks very well. We know he has great chemistry with Biedrins on the pick n roll and luckily Monta can penetrate at will. In order to take advantage of his penetration skills and make it easier for him to stack dimes we need to surround him with shooters and the Warriors have some great catch and shoot wing players ins Morrow, Bukie, and Jackson.
The reason Monta at the PG spot will work is because it adds another shooter for him to pass to when he drives into the lane. He can drive and if the defense sags from the wings he can dish to Sjax/Bukie/Morrow. If the opposing team’s big is forced to step up to clog the lane Monta has two great finishers in Biedrins and Randolph. If he’s left one on one… well the only thing stopping Monta from scoring is a moped accident.
Basketball is simple. We’ll be fine on the offensive end next season. Where the Warriors MUST improve to becoming anything but a 7th or 8th seed will be on the defensive end. With Biedrins, Randolph, and Turiaf the Warriors interior should be able to rebound and defend most teams it will be the wingmen that need to step it up.
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by FLAxwless on Jun 19, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Anyone who has played any organized basketball knows there are two staple plays for getting assists with the ball in your hands…. 1) Pick and roll and 2) drive and dish. Luckily for us Monta does both of these tasks very well.
Yeah, that will have to be his bread and butter at PG. He has shown some ability to do those things effectively already, which is promising. What he hasn’t yet shown is an ability to limit his turnovers while doing the basics like bringing the ball up with pressure, or making a post entry pass (luckily on this team he won’t be making many of those, outside of Jackson on a mismatch or your one or two token plays for Andris every game).
He still looks a little overwhelmed playing PG, like there is too much going on for him to keep track of. He doesn’t seem to anticipate his teammates well when trying to work within a set play. He is much more comfortable creating off of iso drives and P&R. I’m not too worried about it though, he’s got this offseason to get ready and try to get more comfortable with the role. I’m hopeful that a full training camp at PG will go a long way towards doing this.
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by olympicmike on Jun 20, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. He'll never be able to run sets like Nash or Deron but...
do we really need him to?
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by FLAxwless on Jun 21, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No we don't
That was one of the biggest points of this post, to show that our team doesn’t need someone like Nash.
by myk on Jun 21, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
All Monta needs to do in the half court is run pick and rolls and drive and dish.
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by FLAxwless on Jun 21, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for now, that is ...
… under Nelson, that’s all we’d need. Under the next coach that could very well change, but that’s probably getting ahead of ourselves and there really isn’t a better option now anyway …
by hardcore on Jun 23, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have either Nash or Deron won a championship?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 23, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally
i thought i was the only GSW fan that though Monta can be a great PG for us. I think Ellis can become a Tony Parker, Devin Harris type PG for us our even better. At 6’3 he has pretty good size and elite athleticm. Next year if he is 100% healthy he will probably get 20 to 23 points a game with about 5 rebounds and 5 to 7 assists which would be All Star if our team is winning which they will be if everyone comes back improved and healthy. Bottom line is Monta proves everyone wrong when they say he Can’t and i have no reason to believe he won’t again about him at PG.
by GSW9 on Jun 19, 2009 7:13 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i think he could be to but the draft is just loaded with points
If hill came here he would just be randolph’s backup, derozan wouldnt see the floor much, evans is another jackson in the making. flynn, holiday, jennings, rubio, curry etc. by the time we pick we could have 5 to 8 differnt options and alot just happen to be a point guard
by gsw.raiders on Jun 19, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
aye but ever since that moped accident
warriors fans have really lost hope,not because of the accident but because of the way he reacted.
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by RunNdGun on Jun 19, 2009 7:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone that age
reacts the same way…just because hes rich as hell and has responsibilities doesnt make him different mentally than any other 20 year old
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by LostHawk on Jun 19, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ellis' bad choice of recreation
and initially lying about it are rationalized under the heading ‘immaturity’. when he rejoined the practices, what then is the rationalization for his trash talking and pressuring the team to let him play ahead of their more conservative schedule? he’s shown tendencies of mental and emotional laziness, which isn’t the same as immaturity—or it might be a hoops variant of attention deficit disorder, which i suspect, that explains the virtual absence of improvement in his defense. this summer and coming season will be his best opportunity to disprove his critics, and i’m 50-50 expecting to have my skepticism verified vs. hoping i’m wrong so there’s a winning team on the court.
riley himself said they do not expect him to become the classic double-digit assist point guard. but there are aspects i like to see in any quality lead guard that really are highlighted in the fourth quarter of close games, which of course make all the difference between strongly competing for the playoffs and mediocrity. clutch shooting, including free throws, and increased intensity on defense rank very high. ‘me’ has just been o.k. on offense in that context, and a liability on defense. if he fails to change that, there’s no reason for the team not to seek other candidates for lead guard.
by the.monk on Jun 20, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lost a lot of respect for Monta not because of his game
but because of his attitude. I don’t know if anyone went to the last home game of the season (fan appreciation night), but there were only 3 players that didn’t attend because they were “excused” from the game-Maggette, Jackson and Ellis. Even Crawford, who we all know won’t be here next year (and I’m sure he does too) attended and didn’t play either.
It just feels like Ellis and Jackson think they’re untouchable and think they’re the sh!t which is stupid because you’re the best players on a freakin 29 win team. I hope he proves everyone wrong and shows that he can be a good point and I’m sure he’d win a lot of his fans back. If you talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk.
by Captain Jack on Jun 19, 2009 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wasnt he in mississipi visiting his mom?
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by LostHawk on Jun 19, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I remember Steinmetz saying on his blog that all three of them were here and even went to practice the day before, where Cohan or Rowell told them they were excused.
by Captain Jack on Jun 20, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HELL NO
I don’t believe in Monta being a pg one iota.
by Golden Boy on Jun 20, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd.
Us fans just need to be patient.
AR, Monta, & Morrow should be our future triple threat studs.
Keep Monta Ellis.
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jun 20, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they say “great point guards are born, not made,” but something tells me that a training camp at the position and putting in the effort to learn how to run an offense would help out, too. even “born point guards” do have to spend some time learning the ins and outs of the position, something that monta hasn’t really had the benefit of doing as of yet.
we aren’t asking him to be a ‘pure’ point who never looks for his own shot, just to be able to set up the offense. there’s no reason to think that he can’t do that. it’s not as if monta is naturally wired to immediately go to the basket as soon as he touches the ball. with a little bit of work and effort and if he buys into whatever system we run next year, he should be just fine.
i voted for “not sure” because, well, i’m not sure that this will happen, but to write him off so quickly because he’s never going to be steve nash seems silly. there’s plenty of guys who run the point and score their fair share of points. nothing wrong with it and let’s see if monta can do it.
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by cap'n hack on Jun 20, 2009 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
+1
they say "great point guards are born, not made,"
That’s another one of those sayings that gets thrown around, like “big men take longer to develop”, that I’m not sure have any basis in reality. Even if it is true, I’d happily settle for “effective PG, who is a very talented scorer” instead of “great PG”.
BTW I also voted “not sure”, but I can say I’m hopeful, maybe even cautiously optimistic, about his chances to succeed at the PG spot. It’s been my personal experience that Monta has shown me that he is better than I think he is time and time again through his early career. Last season was the first year he didn’t surpass my expectations, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
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by olympicmike on Jun 20, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you -i m converted to this MPG thing again
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PS -i voted ‘wait and see’ though
but when i look back (sorry -sound disabled) i don’t even have to wait to see
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by Lat We N Trash on Jun 20, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
LOOK AT THE VIDEO ABOVE, MONTA IS THE MAN!!! Plus you get to watch the Warriors...
Damn. I am obviously a huge believer in Monta, but that video just made me 100% certain that Monta will be able to take this team to the playoffs!!!
about 5:45 into the video, basically the end of the game, Monta shows off what he can do. He has an amazing drive and finish at the rim, he hits an outside jumper with the shot clock going down, than he lays a sweet dish to Dre, all in succession. CLUTCH!!! Against the Celtics in the year they won the chamionship too, HELL YEAH!!!
Thanks for the vid Latty. You just helped to further my point. I’m soooo stoked for next season.
Thanks for the tickets to the gun show at the end too, that was hella funny.
by myk on Jun 21, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be easier to draft a PG?
Of last season PGs, the only guy that I thought was/is/whatever a PG is CJ. (This may or may not have to do with waiving of both DeMarcus and Marcus [what is up with the Marcusssss?] causing us to have a PG deficit) But it’s said that he’s our back up PG.
But…he’s better than Monta. (in PG skills alright) Has vastly improved (you can’t deny that he’s way better on them fastbreak – he makes them now [don’t be including that missed dunk now]) And appears to be better that Monta during clutch time. They don’t call him Clutch Jumper for nuthin.’
In fact, I think Marco (how did I forget about him? Sorry Marco!) is better than Monta…in PGing.
Then again, there’s always room for improvement. 2010 playoff, here we come! (I can’t wait to see the Anthonies next season)
by Shells on Jun 20, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry
none of our guards are better than monta at the point
ull see next season…you didnt see all of monta’s other seasons. monta hasnt had to play the point b/c of baron….but now that he’ll have to…he’s way more talented in every way than any of our other guards (other than morrow at shooting).
monta realistically NEEDS to become a PG unless we get a PG like baron who can guard 2 guards….but either way, if monta wants to become an elite player he must become a PG.
that being said…we should still draft a PG….our backup PGs arent very good, jennings/holiday/curry will end up better than watson or belli imo.
next seasons lineup:
ellis
jackson
buki/maggs
randolph
andris
unless of course we make some moves….ideally we NEED to make a move for a legit SF…we are weakest at that position (sorry but neither buki or maggs are legit 3’s for a good team)
if we can make a move for prince/odom/wallace/artest/hedo….without losing ellis/randolph/andris…we need to pull the trigger
also, if we can make a move for bosh with andris, we need to pull the trigger on that as well….as proved in a previous post, you need a star to become a legit team….and bosh is a rising star.
so….if we could somehow do the miraculous trades/moves to get a legit 3 and bosh and draft a PG…we could be a WC contending team
ellis
jackson
odom/prince/wallace/artest/hedo
randolph
bosh
bench: morrow/turiaf/jennings/buki
now THAT would be a legit team. idk how we could pull this off, im probably just dreaming…but damn that would be gangster (esp if we get wallace, since he’s the youngest out of the SF’s)
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by LostHawk on Jun 20, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at Monta's career highs on NBA.com
i saw that Monta’s career high in assists is 13 which was the year we made the playoffs against the Clippers. Now i know it’s just 1 game but that shows that Ellis does have the ability and vision to pass. I think that if Monta is our PG and i doing a great job at it, than we will be at our best cause that position would no longer be a weakness and he’s only 23 and will be here for the next couple years.
by GSW9 on Jun 20, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1 more thing
Devin Harris could do it why can’t Ellis do it???
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by i love sports101 on Jun 21, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is a difference.
Devin Harris has always been above 2:1 in Assist to Turnover ratio. Monta has been under 1.5:1 for 3 of 4 seasons and has never been 2:1.
by the evil monkey on Jun 21, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's never had to be a PG.
he’s always been an off the ball slasher. maybe if he actually takes the role of a ball handler things will be different, no?
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by LostHawk on Jun 21, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our future Allstar
Monta “Mississippi Bullet” Ellis and yes he is the quickest player in the nba. Seems alot of people have been taking their Haterade and aiming it at Monta. In the last 5 years there has been only 2 guards to average 20+ points a game and shoot at 50%+in a season and they are Tony Parker and Monta Ellis. It’s hard to deny his talent and if he’s able to get a consistant core around him the playmaking abilities will come with time as he gets to know his teammates play.
by Warriorfan on Jun 20, 2009 10:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
and Ellis did that without defenses centering their attention on a low block All Star
by hardcore on Jun 23, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw on WarriorsWorld that Ric Bucher said
according to a team source that Randolph, Monta, Andris, and Morrow are our untouchables and that they are building our team around this young core
by GSW9 on Jun 21, 2009 7:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Bucher is right
I would be pissed if any of those players got traded
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by i love sports101 on Jun 21, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope so
not only is that a very strong core, it is also very young and growing…altho i wouldnt put andris as untouchable myself….everyone else tho ya!
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by LostHawk on Jun 21, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have pretty much agreed with everything you've been saying Hawk
Except for the Dre thing, he’s untouchable to me. That is a boss core.
Did you look at Lat We N Trash’s video he posted a ways up the page, I think you’d like it. Got me pumped for next season, and convinced me Monta is the Man to take this team to the playoffs next year.
by myk on Jun 21, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes awesome
but if i could do belli + dre for bosh, id do it in an instant….bosh at center for nellie system would be insane
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by LostHawk on Jun 21, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto wouldn't do that
They need Bosh’s offense down low. We don’t. We have plenty of scorers, what we need is rebounding and defense. Dre does both of those better than Bosh, and he’s younger. There’s just no need to get Bosh, he doesn’t improve us on defense or in rebounding, that’s what we need.
by myk on Jun 21, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES
I see it the exact same way. The drive and kick is the staple of nellie ball. It takes the place of a post scorer by creating spacing and drawing defenders inside. Monta is one os the premier finishers at the rim in the entire NBA. If I remember correctly, in the 07-08 season Monta’s inside scoring percentage was only bettered by Lebron and DWade. He might not have the passing ability of Baron on the fast break, but he has better driving ability and that is more effective in the halfcourt.
by gobigg415 on Jun 21, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Answer is a straight up NO<NO
Moped will never be a true point guard, he’s just another experiment gone wrong, does anyone remember Larry the human tattoo Hughes ?
We’re not asking Monte to just run the point, were asking him to be the team leader, that’s not in his make up: a true point guard is the floor leader, that’s what made Timmy H so good, he was a leader and took command of the game and controlled the tempo: that’s not Monte’s game:
Were trying to make a silk ear out of a pigs snout, we need to draft Rubio and get with the program that will make this team a winner for once:
by ForestGrump on Jun 21, 2009 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW, you just compared Monta Ellis to Larry Hughes.
Monta is way better. Dude you should seriously take a look at the video Lat We N Trash posted up the page, it shows that Monta can be a leader, a great passer, and it reminds us that he’s the quickest player in the NBA; also a terrific finisher.
I watched that video of Monta and then read your comments within like 5 minutes of each other, makes me think you’ve never even seen Monta play.
by myk on Jun 21, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
possibly. Guys, monta played all 3 years of his career getting facilitated by baron and so. He has been our elite scorer. He didnt have to be that “Point Guard.” Now im not saying he is for sure, but we have to give him some time to be that “PG” we all want him to be. He cannot turn into a whole different style (or in some points of his game) of game in a half a season, especially when he was just recovering. Give the man some time fellas.So i say monta will be that point guard, and as far as comparing Larry Hughes to Monta…lol man come on now.
by Dubz50 on Jun 21, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Monte & Larry
Your going by hype not by reality, you need to smell the coffee before you wake up and find out that Monte is unhappy again and wants out:
He was as in past tense the fastest player, that injury has slowed him down some: secondly he has never been able to run the point, he’s turn over prone and is not a floor leader:
If you put the ball in his hands and ask him to lead the team he will cave in under the pressure, I seen it over and over, he’s not a point guard, he don’t have the mentality to be one, he’s a two guard with exceptional speed: but mark my words, he will crumble under the pressure and want out before the end of next year:
BTW= stats don’t lie, Larry Hughes and Monte are very close in both of their point guard abilities, to continue to hype Monte at point guard and pass up a possible chance at getting a true point guard like Rubio will only prolong the inevitable, that Monte can’t handle the pressure and he will implode next year: mark it down, it’s sure to come to pass:
Ps- I was one the first ones to see his 2 guard potential, and had a good talk with Rod Higgins in his first pre-season about him, and Rod assured me they seen his upside also and he would make the team: now I’m telling you he is very close to giving up with this team for many reasons one of which is the pressure they are putting on him to be the team leader: he don’t have the mental ability to run this team:
by ForestGrump on Jun 21, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the job will be custom-tailored to suit 'me'
riley/nelson have no alternative at this point to going ahead with me’s make-over. once the draft and roster shuffling/trades are resolved by oct. or thereabouts, it might be different, but for now they will be putting together “point guard for dummies”. for the most i part agree w. you, forestgrump, but the spin will be based on riley’s comments (paraphrasing here), we don’t expect ‘me’ to be the nash/stockton type of point guard, but we’ll take advantage of his strengths. what he left out, they’ll try to obscure/minimize the effects of his weaknesses. if they do not get another point guard, at the very least i hope to see a combo guard or wing who passes and moves and makes good decisions to provide an alternative to jackson in relieving ellis.
considering ‘me’ as a team leader can’t really be taken seriously because he doesn’t extend anything on defense, which depends on sacrificing for the team. the three captains last season were the guys who most consistently maintained defensive effort.
by the.monk on Jun 21, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He do have the mentality.
Dude watch that video that I told you about and say he can’t be a PG. What is a PG? Do all PG’s play the same way? No they don’t. We don’t need Monta to be Steve Nash, we want Monta to be PG so he has the ball in his hands as much as possible. He is the best offensive player, by far, on our team. Just like any team, you want your best offensive player to have the ball as much as possible. So whether Monta is playing SG or PG, he’s going have the ball in his hands more than anyone else.
Playing him at PG just makes us better defensively becasue we can play Jack and Buike. Some of you fools are seriously ridiculous for tripping so hard about this. Can Monta pass the ball well? Yes. Can he hadle the ball well? Yes. Can he score? Does it better than anyone to wear a Dubs uni in the last decade. All Monta Ellis has to do is drive and dish, or run the pick and roll, that’s really all BD did, Monta can do it too.
by myk on Jun 21, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta is a poorman A.I.
Let face it, he will never pan out as a pg. I rather have him play give me the damn ball roles then watch him trying to be the pg. lol
by warriorfan4life on Jun 21, 2009 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t the PG get “the damn ball” the majority of the time? Monta is not going to be a typical PG, we don’t need him to be.
by myk on Jun 21, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A.I & Monte
That’s the best analogy I’ve heard yet, very astute, and that says it all, look what happened when Denver got a true point guard in MR Big Shot, it changed the whole chemistry of the team, this is the kind of experimenting that only ruins the chemistry of a team and in the end causes it to implode:
It’s time to make the right decision, we need a true point guard or were going to see another season of chaos, if we can get Rubio without giving up Monte then it would allow Monte to play his natural position and do what he did when he got his most improved man award: if it takes trading Monte to get Rubio, then that’s what we need to do, I just don’t see him lasting here under any of these conditions:, the only way he stays is if you take the presure off of him and get a true point:
by ForestGrump on Jun 21, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
aside from being combo guards and gifted offensive players, there’s really not much that AI and monta have in common. monta is an incredibly efficient scorer, AI is a creative force who fires up too many shots.
of course, AI was a fantastic player and led a fairly weak philly team to the nba finals. if you want to compare the two (and ignore the way they score points, and focus on the fact that they score points), you could at least give monta the courtesy of comparing him to a younger AI, instead of the older, less effective version that got shipped out for a great point guard.
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by cap'n hack on Jun 21, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AI & Mont-A
Read my lips, No one ever said he compared straight up to AI, we know that’s not the truth, the man said he was a POOR MAN’S AI ;=
Think about this, if he couldn’t drive a Moped how’s he going to get us to the big game? With Mont-A at the helm we don’t sniff the playoffs ever: with Rubio and Moped we can get to the big dance; +
by ForestGrump on Jun 21, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i’m saying that the comparison is weak, without much merit. saying that both are combo guards who are known for scoring points is not a useful indicator of what they do on the court.
monta’s moped driving abilities have absolutely nothing to do with his ability to play basketball. he made a dumb decision that hurt us terribly this year. that’s over; it’s done; let’s move on.
monta will never be the best player on a contender, but he could be a better player at the point guard spot than he is at the two and take the team a little bit closer to being a contender. your grudge against him doesn’t change that. he’s a very good player, cut out to be the second best player on a contender; unless you can turn monta ellis into a best player on a contender type (and try as you might, you won’t be successful), there’s no reason to ship him out.
i’m a pretty diehard rubio supporter, and wouldn’t hate a deal centered around monta for rubio, but i don’t think memphis pulls the trigger unless we take a bad contract too. anything that would sweeten that deal probably pushes it out of the realm of good ideas and i don’t think memphis takes monta for the number two straight up and even if they do, rubio probably won’t be a superstar (though i can see him making a couple all-star teams) and we don’t know if he’ll reach his ceiling in the nba. it’s a very risky move for us.
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by cap'n hack on Jun 21, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about a rich man's Tony Parker? CAN SOMEONE SAY FINALS MVP?????
comparisons are lazy and stupid
by antihero on Jun 22, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what you mean by ''true PG''?
Nash is a PG, he’s not like Baron, completely different games, are they both true PG’s? What makes Chauncey a true PG? Does San Antonio need to dump Parker because he’s not a “true PG”? What makes Rubio a true PG? How many Joventud games have you watched? Our problem isn’t offense its defense and rebounding, does a Monta/Rubio backcourt improve us in those areas?
I’m not trying to be an a—hole, I just want some clarification and reasoning behind the things your saying.
by myk on Jun 21, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No such think as a true point guard???????
If you don’t know that by now you never will: tell you what for the sake of argument, nothing makes a true point guard, so we might as well put AB at the point and Monta at center:
by ForestGrump on Jun 21, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah I do know that
I was wondering why you used the term “true PG.” Dre can drive to the hoop pretty well from the arc, ask Nene. He also has a great pair of hands for a big man. Too bad his ballhandling is suspect. He’d be Nellie’s dream, point center.
In all seriousness though, I don’t really see how Rubio makes us better this year, or next year, or the year after that. He doesn’t start for his team in Spain. He plays 20 minutes a night. He didn’t even shoot 40% from 2pt fg’s. He doesn’t rebound nearly as well as Monta, I’m pretty sure his defense isn’t better. Sure he’s only 18, but that’s my point. Monta will help us win now, Rubio takes us a few steps back. We’d have to wait at least 3 years before he started really showing what he can do. Id be down to draft him if he’s available, but I’m not trading anyone from the starting 5 to get Memphis’ pick.
by myk on Jun 21, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure his defense isn’t better
this is not true. rubio was a great perimeter defender in spain. i’ve heard people call him the best perimeter defender in the league. that’s probably an exaggeration, but the kid can play d. he’s a fantastic passer and his shooting percentages were hurt by playing with a broken wrist most of the year. rubio is a great prospect, with a higher ceiling than monta. i’d seriously consider trading monta for him and i think monta is a very good player.
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by cap'n hack on Jun 21, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be hesitant to pull that trade.
Simply because Monta increases our chances of winning for the next few years more so than Rubio. We need Monta for his speed and his scoring efficiency. In his last healthy season he was one of th most efficient guards in the league, he’s 2 years older now, hopefully that equals nothing but improvement.
Rubio may be the better player when it’s all said and done, but we would have to wait a good 2-3 years before we see Rubio start to really come into his own. Monta just makes us a better team for the next few years and maybe beyond that. He still has the potential to be one of the best guards in the league. With Monta we have a really strong chance of making the playoffs this year and years to come. Rubio wouldn’t get us there for a few more years. Plus if we traded Monta for Rubio, Jamal doesn’t opt out, and he is our PG this year. That would be awful.
I just feel Monta is going to do some very special things in his career, he already has a few impressive moments under his belt. Losing a potential superstar for a kid who is still (despite what he’s done in spain) a quetion mark doesn’t seem to be the right move
by myk on Jun 22, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the move is definitely not a short term upgrade, but if you think that rubio will be better than monta in a few years (and i think he could be), you make the trade. we aren’t a contender this year, we won’t be a contender next year without some serious free agency/lotto luck and the same is true for the year after. we aren’t knocking on the door of a title. we’ve got a lot of interesting pieces, but we’re still building and if rubio’s a better building block, it’s a trade that would be tough to turn down. it’s close, but i wouldn’t hate the deal if it happened.
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by cap'n hack on Jun 22, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not inconceivable that Rubio would be an instant upgrade on D. Monta’s own defense at 19 was better than his own defense is now.
by jae on Jun 21, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what happens
when nellie is ur coach
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by LostHawk on Jun 21, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea Monta will be great next year as our PG
by GSW9 on Jun 21, 2009 7:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah i agree
Monta was a good defender his 1st couple seasons, no i seems like he doesn’t try. Imagine if Ellis became a great PG for us and he put effort on D we would have a Superstar. He can do it, it’s if he wants to.
by GSW9 on Jun 23, 2009 8:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Poll,
Only should have 2 options,
Either you believe he can or can’t,
Anyone can say wait and see, but that option is to vague.
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by AlbinoWhale on Jun 23, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll be fine
I don’t like the idea of throwing him into the fire as a PG, but ultimately, he’ll be fine. Growing into the point position will take a while because Monta has never been the player that can play the floor general job – most of that went to Barnes and Jack (if not BD). He hasn’t had the opportunity to really grasp the position, but he is athletic and smart enough of a player to get there eventually.
by pree on Jun 25, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
totally agree
his athletic ability and his occasional signs of having excellent vision makes me believe that with some time he can be an excellent PG. he has never had to be the floor general, but when given the opportunity to be he will succeed. monta has proven over and over that he can add some major facets to his game every season (other than the injury one).
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely disagree .....
As I mentioned in another post, Monta (even though he is a great talent) is not a floor general. Never has been, never will be. Thus is highly likely NOT to be an excellent PG.
Why?
Personality, character and court sense/leadership. We all know his character has a few question marks over it due to past behaviour. Most importantly…he simply does not have the communication skills, presence or authority to become a floor general. FOTD likened him to Tony Parker and he has an enormous way to go, before he touches that mans skills as a true PG.
Ellis has a great deal to learn about leading a team, he thinks he knows how to do this, but he truly doesnt. If you watch CP3, Parker, Billups during timeouts, going onto court etc… they pull teammates around them…give advice, generate plays and establish quick fast rotation. I have to say even watching Jamal Crawford for us this year, he would often bring the youngsters together after a timeout and get them set and ready for next period of play with good leadership skills, even if his (JC’s) defensive skills were a little lacking..
I have no NO doubt Ellis will be a great Combo guard but IMHO he will never be one of the great PG’s of the NBA or a natural leader of the team, no matter what he thinks personally.
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jun 26, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll just have to see
you’re basing everything on intangibles.
look at billups. did he look like a floor general his first few years? was his character an issue?
ellis has never had to try to be the floor general. he has always had someone else running the show for him (baron). now we will see how he does on his own, it is a gamble i’m willing to take.
btw and about the point taking people to the side and being a leader, look at rondo. he has other people that do that. we have people that do that (turiaf/jackson).
arguing with intangibles is impossible. only time will tell. he has the physical tools required to be a great PG. he has shown flashes of great vision. now he will have the ball in his hands and forced to see what can be done for a year.
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who mentioned any intangibles?
Monta has a questionable attitude/character – FACT
Monta was given the role of floor general during the games he played thi year ad did not do a very good job – FACT
I dont see how these observations are intangibles. I think its fair to say that you have possibly been the most “in love” fan of Monta all year and can see know wrong inhim, but others do… and he has MANY reasons why he will never be a natural leader. Again comparing him to Rondo??? I would take Rondo over Ellis in a heartbeat.
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jun 27, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its too early on a saturday... I need my coffee
proof read proof read proof read……idiot
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jun 27, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Rondo over Ellis in a heartbeat.
Why so indecisive?
by jae on Jun 27, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brit's a hummingbird
So he’s not being nearly as indecisive as you think.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 27, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lololol never been called a hummingbird before...
:) a 230lb one at that!
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jun 27, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many stones is that? :)
Thing C
by markdash on Jun 27, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
16.4! :)
Which is really rather pleasing to know, although I need to get down to probably 15-15.5 to be back in lean shape. 14 lbs to a stone!
So 220lbs and 6’4 is probably just about right! If I had that at College I would have been a much better player rather than the barely 180lb lanky small forward for UK ball….lol
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jun 27, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ride that moped into the Suns' set
Maybe he’ll learn a bit or two from Steve Nash?
Most likely not. As fast as he may be, and as electrifying a finisher as he may be, the issue with the man with “ME” tattooed on his arms is that he lacks the ability to make smart decisions, on and off the court.
I say we put in Curry in a hurry, and show Monte the door way, because the role of PG is about making smart decisions, and the young man from the backwoods of Mississippi hasn’t shown me that he has the ability to do that.
Exciting and “entertaining” basketball is an important component in marketing your team and selling tickets, but I want the Warriors to just win baby.
Curry is to Ellis as Randolph is to Wright, a placeholder.
by olhone_warrior on Jun 27, 2009 1:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ooo bold
Curry hasn’t proven anything yet. Monta on the other hand looked like he had the potential to be one of the greatest players to ever wear a dubs uniform before the injury. I remember that Monta, that’s why I have faith. Eventually Curry may move Monta over to the SG position, but this year Monta is our man and I expect him to do well
by myk on Jun 27, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis is...
a 2nd round pick that avg 20, can shoot from up to long 2pt range & get to the rim…4 years out of high school…what’s the problem again? Yes that’s right coaching. From h.s. to Nelson what do you expect? Compare Iverson, who had comparable hops at such an age. Iverson- #1 pick went to crap team after 2 years of John Thompson, then had Larry Brown, that’s why he developed as a playmaker and played defense. Coaching. Ellis is the closest thing the league now has to him, he is his state’s all-time leading scorer. Just Iverson has a lil more handles and shorter. For now, if concerned about guard D, play Azebuike heavy at the 2. And remember Ginobili didn’t become the guy we know today for about 4 years. If Bellinelli gets some damn playing time he would be on similar track he avg 9-10 ppg in the min he got last year.
by polar on Jun 29, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lineup and Bellinelli
This year: Ellis Buike Jax AR Bied. Belli Curry and Morrow heavy off the bench. We need a combo forward that can shoot and defend inside like Prince or who’s unhappy in Portland? Should be talking to them ya dig they’re overloaded at the 3 and 4. 2s in the league more effective overall than Belli: Roy, Bryant, JR Smith, (when’s the last time T-Mac played lol), Wade, (Carter’s a 3 these days, so is J Howard and Stojakovic), Salmons, Allen that’s about it. Hamilton is toast he has about 2 good years left, to be divided and apportioned. Don’t trade Bellinelli. Play him he’s not behind any curve besides that big white hairdo pacing the sideline.
by polar on Jun 29, 2009 8:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Monta has the ability to be an allstar if we start to build around him he’s still young, if the dubs can coach him right and get players that fit the system(stoudemire, bosh)any high energy player that fit nellies system and can play at a high level then i think the skies the limit
by Ignacio A on Jun 30, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW, myk!
I seriously applaud this post. I never knew there were other people that thought logically about how Monta would be a good point guard for our system. I never even opened this diary until NOW, and i’m happy from what I just read.
When I saw the title of this diary the past weeks, I never bothered opening it and reading because I thought it was another lame attempt at convincing people that Monta can’t play the point. I didn’t want to go in here and have to argue with a ton of people as to why I think Monta can work well as a point guard for the Warriors. Now that i’ve finally opened this diary, i’m surprised that your opinion is the same as mine. You said everything I would have said, and more.
I’ve always told people, no one is expecting Monta to be the next Steve Nash. With all of the offensive options in Golden State, Monta doesn’t have to worry about setting people up all of the time. Especially when it comes to non-Warriors fans, I have to talk about how the Warriors aren’t the traditional NBA team and how that has to do with Monta being able to excel at the point guard position. Even when the Suns were the highest scoring team in the NBA with Mike D’antoni, they still were not as crazy on offense as the Warriors. The Suns always relied on Steve Nash to make all the plays, whereas on the Warriors anyone in Golden State has the green light to do whatever. Guys like Al Harrington would get the rebound and run the break, there was no need for looking for the point guard in a play like that since everyone can create their own offense. That’s why there’s less pressure on Monta here since he doesn’t need the ball in his hands for Golden State to initiate their high scoring offense.
by Precise Films Productions on Jul 1, 2009 3:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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