Thabeet dropping, and a second NYK-GSW trade?

by hardcore on Jun 20, 2009 2:20 PM PDT

First - One of the players I'd hoped we might snag LAST year was Thabeet, but he opted not to enter the draft. Early on this year he was projected to be the 2nd or 3rd player picked, but he's fallen on many boards.

Draftexpress:

# 01. Clippers - Blake Griffin
# 02. Grizzlies - Ricky Rubio
# 03. Thunder - James Harden
# 04. Kings - Jrue Holiday
# 05. Wizards - Hasheem Thabeet
# 06. Timberwolves - Tyreke Evans
# 07. Warriors - Brandon Jennings
# 08. Knicks - Stephen Curry
# 09. Raptors - Jordan Hill
# 10. Bucks - Jonny Flynn
# 11. Nets - DeMar DeRozan
# 12. Bobcats - Earl Clark
# 13. Pacers - Ty Lawson
# 14. Suns - DeJuan Blair

Why does this matter?

The Washington Post reported that the Wizards are re-evaluating whether to take Hill at 5:

# 05. Wizards - Hasheem Thabeet or Jordan Hill?

If Washington snagged Hill, Thabeet could fall further. Would Minn. pass on him for Evans, or Curry?

Could Thabeet fall to #7?

Last year we had no backup C and Thabeet would have been a more perfect fit to our need for a shot-blocking big man, while now we have Turiaf. But if Thabeet were to fall to #7 would you pass on that?

Second - NYK is pretty high on Curry, Jennings, and is thinking about Hill as well. If Hill and Thabeet were gone at #7, and we were sitting there with a choice of the rest, we could swap picks with NYK and gain something small in return - say a another pick in this draft or the future and still end up with Jennings or Curry, or we could think bigger.

Would any of you consider trading our #7 to NYK?! From NY's point of view, they'd have back-to-back picks #7-8 and might be able to reshape their backcourt in one fell swoop. I think they'd have to at least consider it.

What would you want from the Knicks? Considering all their moves in the past year have been about manuevering for cap space next summer, I doubt that they'd take on one of our big contracts. But this is an example when we might be able to take advantage of another team's desire to clear capspace and pick off a quality player.

So, would you make a deal trading the #7 for their young PF David Lee? Some one else? Or is the chance to gamble on Jennings too tempting to pass on for an established player?

Poll

What is the BEST use of our #7 pick, if given the choice -

Jennings

149 votes

Curry

73 votes

Thabeet

153 votes

Knicks Trade (define in comments)

57 votes

432 votes | Poll has closed

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Im still going with Jennings...unless one of our useful bigs go

this trade would not be necessary

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by RunNdGun on Jun 20, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions

If Hasheem is there we definately should snag him

I have him rated in the top 3.

Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 20, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions

if tabeeth is there, we basically HAVE to take him

BPA.

we can prob use him in a trade to get rid of maggs or crawfish…or even go for bosh with andris

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by LostHawk on Jun 20, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions

… or even go for bosh with andris

Ellis
Jackson
Maggette
Randolph
Bosh

regardless of who was packaged with Andris to make it work, that’d be a roster to be reckoned with in the WC, providing we can re-sign Bosh

by hardcore on Jun 20, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions

ya....

not with mags at the 3.

if we can somehow get odom or prince we’d be way better off!

idk how we could do this…but if our lineup was:

ellis
jackson
prince or odom
randolph
bosh

wow…now THATS a team…and still have turiaf/morrow/buki/jennings….damn….

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by LostHawk on Jun 20, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions

No

by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 20, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions

good answer

NOT

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by LostHawk on Jun 20, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions

maggs cant be on a playoff team!

unless he was only the 6th man!

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by LostHawk on Jun 20, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions

It's happened before.

by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 20, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions

If we draft Thabeet then it would work.

Ellis
Jackson
Randolph
Bosh
Thabeet

That lineup would give a LOT of mismatches.

by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 20, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions

putting AR at the SF will draw all kinds of ire on this board!

by hardcore on Jun 20, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions

Wait, how’d we get Bosh?

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 20, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions

traded Biedrins

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by sam23 on Jun 20, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions

Wow, that’s it?

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 20, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions

I’m assuming Biedrins was only the main piece…with some combination of Maggette, Wright, Belinelli, Crawford, or Azubuike

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by sam23 on Jun 20, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions

it was belli

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by LostHawk on Jun 20, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions

Biedrins + Wright + Bellinelli

by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 21, 2009 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions

Thabeet will

not be available at #7

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by i love sports101 on Jun 20, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions

I’d’ve never imagined it either, but maybe teams are realizing Hill really is a top 5 talent in this draft …

by hardcore on Jun 20, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions

if he really did drop to 7

he must be really disappointing…

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by RunNdGun on Jun 20, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions

he wont drop to 7

if he does we gotta take him tho. but there is NO chance that will happen. hes top 5 for sure

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by LostHawk on Jun 20, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions

Anthony Randolph dropped to 14 last year….he must have been really disappointing.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions

I think there’s a slight chance that Thabeet falls to the seventh pick:

2.) Memphis Grizzlies — Ricky Rubio, PG/Spain
3.) Oklahoma City Thunder — James Harden, SG/Arizona State
4.) Sacramento Kings — Jrue Holiday, PG/UCLA
5.) Washington Wizards — Stephen Curry, PG/Davidson
6.) Minnesota Timberwolves — Tyreke Evans, PG/Memphis

If that scenario were to occur, which is basically highly doubtful, Thabeet could slip.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 20, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions

1 thing

at number 5, Jordan hill should go

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by i love sports101 on Jun 20, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions

If that’s the case:

2.) Memphis Grizzlies — Ricky Rubio, PG/Spain
3.) Oklahoma City Thunder — James Harden, SG/Arizona State
4.) Sacramento Kings — Jrue Holiday, PG/UCLA
5.) Washington Wizards — Jordan Hill, PF/Arizona
6.) Minnesota Timberwolves — Stephen Curry, PG/Davidson

Still, I expect Thabeet to get drafted by the Grizzlies.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 20, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions

that would be hilarious if Holiday and Curry get drafted before Thabeet. That would be hilarious on Heyward-Bey-before-Crabtree level proportions.

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by YaHeard on Jun 20, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Well, no, because Curry and Holiday play different positions compared to Thabeet while Heyward-Bey and Crabtee both play wide receiver.

Secondly, the Raiders chose the player they felt was best for their system. Heyward-Bey fits the new vertical passing game that will be implemented this season taking advantage of the speed of Heyward-Bey and Johnnie Lee Higgins and the height of Chaz Schilens. Heyward-Bey played in a pro style offense at Maryland where he faced more than one defender. Crabtree played in a spread offense. He dealt with single coverage and played in a conference in which they throw the ball 60 times a day. Heyward-Bey didn’t have the luxury of all that great talent around him.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 20, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Your first line was going to earn you a rec…….. and then I saw that you got into Al Davis’ Kook-Aid stash. So are they going to take advantage of Heyward-Bey’s speed the same way they took advantage of James Jett’s speed? or Rocket Ismail’s speed? or Randy Moss’ speed? The Raiders have been running that offense where they try to take advantage of speed on the edges for decades now and countless speedy receivers have passed through Oakland, and some of them could even catch footballs, but none of those guys really did very much. I don’t anticipate Darius Heyward-Bey breaking that trend.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions

Well, I have to have a little hope. Heyward-Bey isn’t going to start this year, though, but I think he can become something special.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 20, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions

maybe he can….on the 2012 olympic track and field team.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Jun 20, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions

your second paragraph is what I meant. Curry/Holiday/Heyward-Bey picks would be based on things like “fit”, while picks like Crabtree and Thabeet are clear BPA.

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by YaHeard on Jun 20, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions

he going to Grizzz.

1.Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Flynn 5. Harden 6. Tyreke 7. Curry 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10. Jordan Hill (that is how the top 10 will play out)

by Sinigang on Jun 20, 2009 4:00 PM PDT reply actions

asdf

Thabeet is way overrated, if you want a bust, pick Thabeet.

by JRich4MVP on Jun 20, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions

Thabeet is not slipping past 3

by Golden Boy on Jun 20, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions

Hill and if he's gone Jennings

if their both gone pick Curry just to piss everyone else off

by Warriorfan on Jun 20, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions

Yeah but...

Curry is kinda garbage in my opinion…

by Adobo Ranger on Jun 20, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions

Thabeet is #2 on Minny's board

I could see OKC passing on him for Harden, and then the Kings/Wizards passing on him. But he doesn’t fall passed #6.

by Bob on Jun 20, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions

since you know, can you tell us what the rest of Minny’s board looks like? ; )

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 20, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions

all you got to do is read the Pioneer Press

or StarTribune. The new GM has made no secret of his desires for a shotblocking center to move AL to PF. If Thabeet falls to #6 they take him with 4mins:50 secs left on the timer. A Minny/Memphis swap is more likely.

by Bob on Jun 20, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Then their current regime is as dumb as their previous one.

Kevin Love is already one of the best rebounders in the NBA. He had a sub-par (by his standards, anyway) shooting year last year, but I expect him to improve on his FG% drastically in the future. He’s already one of the best FT shooting bigs in the NBA. He’s the real reason I still feel that the Wolves got the best of that trade, despite the love-fest for OJ Mayo after his rookie season.

by markdash on Jun 20, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions

The latest article says...

“He has pointedly told season-ticket holders and media members alike that Al Jefferson — the prized centerpiece of McHale’s rebuilding attempt — is the second-best player on an NBA title contender and Kevin Love is a fourth piece as well as a young talent unlikely to reach All-Star level.”

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/48644212.html

It doesn’t sound like he’s too high on Kevin Love. Is he stupid? Probably.

by Bob on Jun 20, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions

I don’t necessarily disagree with that. I think he’s selling Love a bit short, but I also don’t think Al Jefferson is the kind of player who will typically lead a team to a title. I don’t know what their new GM sees in Thabeet (aside from “prototypical center,” AKA “tall guy”) but they certainly don’t need to improve inside. Maybe another piece with size would be good, but they really need help on the wings/backcourt.

by markdash on Jun 20, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions

You think people in Minny get an accurate idea of what our draft board is by reading Kawakami?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 20, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions

Kawakami is a columnist

what the beat writers say is different. They are taught to report facts and give as little opinion as possible.

by Bob on Jun 20, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions

so you think a team in the middle of the lottery is gonna make their big board well known? come on man

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 20, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions

Last year Nellie announced to the world they would take Randolph

if he’s still there.. Minny will take Hasheem Thabeet if he’s still there. It’s common knowledge. I’m sorry you’re not up to date on their situation, why don’t you go read up on old articles or something before you try to argue.

by Bob on Jun 21, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions

why don’t you go read up on old articles or something before you try to argue

because that takes effort, and reading comprehension …

by hardcore on Jun 21, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions

et tu, hardcore?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 21, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions

ahhh, general statement – applies to all of us, not intended for you personally poor placement on my part, sorry for the inference

by hardcore on Jun 21, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions

I’m not really trying to argue with you, and I actually do THINK Minny would take Thabeet if he were to fall to them……but it seems totally ridiculous to me that any of us assume to KNOW what any team besides the Clippers will do in this draft, much less KNOW what a teams “big board” looks like.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 21, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions

He announced this? I don’t remember as much. Could you find a reference? I do remember that at the time, it wasn’t clear who was calling the shots in the Warriors draft.

by jae on Jun 21, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions

here

“As Golden State’s Nelson said, if Randolph is still on the board at No. 14, the team picking 15th, Phoenix, can start looking elsewhere.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/062508dnsporandolph.23e17ad.html

by Bob on Jun 21, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Hmm...

That article is from after the draft and does not contain that quote. Mistake? Did I miss something? Making stuff up? Help me out here.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 23, 2009 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions

No cause Nelson won't play him anyway

and we have Dre and Ronny at C

by GSW9 on Jun 20, 2009 6:10 PM PDT reply actions

Thabeet is a beat

and the warriors could seriously use a presence in the paint.

by bizz 192 on Jun 20, 2009 8:40 PM PDT reply actions

*thabeet is a beast

and we need him.

by bizz 192 on Jun 20, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions

back up C

um….turiaf was the best back up C in the league – so i think we had one.

W’s need the return of BD (maggette or Jack+ pick) and a Boozer type 4.

by joegiant on Jun 20, 2009 8:58 PM PDT reply actions

Turiaf plays more like a jumpshooting, weakside-shotblocking power forward. I know we already have Wright and Randolph, but Turiaf is only a center under Don Nelson’s system. I don’t remember him ever playing center under Phil Jackson.

Hasheem Thabeet is a real center. And for that reason, I’m afraid Don Nelson wouldn’t give him any PT.

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by YaHeard on Jun 20, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions

Turiaf did play center under Jackson. He was the back up C before Pau came & before Bynum returned – Bynum’s return cut out any minutes for Ronny, thus why he signed with the W’s and why the Lakers didn’t match. in 07-08, he played 64.9% of his minutes at center (82games).

Nelson gave Shaq & Zo minutes for Dream Team II (& rode them to the gold medal), i’m sure if Thabeet can play, he’d get minutes.

by the evil monkey on Jun 21, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

turiaf was the best back up C in the league

Gortat was better.

by jae on Jun 21, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions

God bless you for that, I figured you would be in here to drop the Polish Hammer sooner or later. :)

by markdash on Jun 21, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions

agreed

turiaf was def one of the better backup centers tho

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by LostHawk on Jun 21, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions

I smell Curry

Why would Nellie pass up another lethal shooter. Curry’s shot is pure beauty.

PG Ellis – Curry
SG Jackson – Morrow
SF Azubuike – Maggette
PF Randolph – Wright
C Biedrins – Turiaf

by gambinofam on Jun 20, 2009 10:37 PM PDT reply actions

You can't pass on Curry.

He is going to be ruthless. If the Warriors can share pg/sg between Monta, Curry, Morrow and Jackson, there will be playoffs.

He is on top of my list of players that may be available at #7.

I like Curry’s smarts better than Jennings’ flash, Evans’ size, Darozen’s freakishness, and Flynn’s toughness. But I think all these guys would be good. This SHOULD be hard to screw up.

by Gringosaan on Jun 21, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions

I can

we have Morrow we don’t need Curry

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by i love sports101 on Jun 21, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions

too many good shooters is not a problem

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 21, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Hahahahahahaha

Thabeet, you must be smoking. Thabeet stinks! We have no backup center? Then what is Ronny Turiaf? Thabeet will never amount too anything, but maybe a bench player that gets 10-15 minutes a night.

by Rocky632 on Jun 21, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions

Last year we had no backup C and Thabeet would have been a more perfect fit to our need for a shot-blocking big man, while now we have Turiaf.

by hardcore on Jun 21, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions

is this that reading comprehension stuff you were talking about?

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by sam23 on Jun 21, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions

;-]

by hardcore on Jun 21, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions

are you a Knick fan?

why would we give NY our pick when we need more inexpensive talent?

gimmick lineups & strategies can be entertaining but won't win championships

by playthegametherightway on Jun 21, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions

how about we

trade wright and our pick to NY for their pick next season. i want Rubio, not thabeet…

by warriorfan4life on Jun 21, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions

NY doesn’t have a pick next season. They traded it away to Utah and it’s unprotected to boot.

by the evil monkey on Jun 21, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions

Technically they traded it to Phoenix, who then traded it to the Jazz.

The Stephon Marbury Trade: The Gift that Keeps on Giving.

by markdash on Jun 21, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Isn’t Thabeet supposed to be a project guy, since he doesn’t have that much experience playing? If we draft him, we have to make sure we keep Biedrins for a couple years, till Thabeet learns the game.

And if we traded for Bosh, well, he’s better suited for PF than at C. And I know everyone thinks Randolph would be great as a PF, but I think he’s still too thin to bang with the bigger PF’s in the league, and could end up getting hurt playing every day like that. I think he’s quick enough to play SF in this league.

I could see this lineup being pretty effective if we traded for Bosh or not, and drafted Thabeet:

Monta
Jackson
Randolph
Bosh
Thabeet/Turiaf

Or if there was no trade:
Monta
Jackson
Randolph
Biedrins
Thabeet/Turiaf

With this lineup, could Charles Barkley still call them a team of Midgets?

Also, if we don’t draft Thabeet, I’m perfectly fine with having this lineup:

Monta
Jackson
Randolph
Biedrins
Turiaf
- I really like how the team played last year when both Turiaf and Biedrins were playing together.

by aBulldog on Jun 22, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions