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With A Weak Overall Draft - Gamble!!

That being said.....draft either Demar DeRozan or Brandon Jennings.

 

Here's my breakdown of our potential draftees:

 

Johnny Flynn - Will be a serviceable NBA PG for years to come, but never being anything more than serviceable (CJ Watson is serviceable enough). Role Player at best.

Jrue Holiday - Come on, he averaged 8 pts/game in college, just think of what he'll do in the NBA. He can play D, which will help, but I don't see him coming in and playing more than 10 mins/game. Upside - marginal. Role Player at best.

Jordan Hill - Upside - marginal. I see him being an upscale Mikki Moore type, maybe averaging 10 pts, 8 reb's per game in the near future, 15/10 - maxed upside. Probably, a Role Player, potential #3 option?

Tyreke Evans - I'm torn on him. I think he has the potential to be pretty decent for years to come. Nothing special, but I also didn't think Paul Pierce was anything special coming out of college, but there's something about him that makes him special. I think Evans might have that same knack for the game. Potential #2 or #3 option.

Terence Williams - I actually like this pick more than any of the above 4 with the exception of maybe Evans. I think this kid athletically is off the charts, awesome defender, great leaper, good passer and rebounder for his size. However, for the same reason I like Evans (heady player) it is exactly why I don't like Williams. I've watched a handful of his games and he just floats, gets lost, you don't hear his name for minutes, then in a flury, you hear his name all over the place. I think he'll be a solid NBA'er for years to come, but never a star. If we're going to draft for need. I've said it before, we need either a pass first PG or a shut down defender. So out of these 5, I say Williams or Flynn, neither of whom I'm that excited about.

 

Ok, on to Jennings and DeRozan:


Jennings - Hit or miss. Small, weak, not a good defender. Potential - off the charts. With the first 5 mentioned, I see their ceilings totally limited, none of those players will be a star. Jennings has an outside shot at being special. Plus, he fits the a need we have. In 5 years, Jennings might be great, but he might be out of the league, back in Europe :) My guess is Flynn and Holiday will be coming off the bench in 5 years. If they're starting they're the 4th or 5th options on their team. Add a really good Brandon Jennings with Ellis, Randolph and Biedrins and the Warriors are in Business!

DeRozan - Hit or miss. Poor handles, inconsistent shot, athletic abilitiy off the charts. Sounds like Vince Carter after 1 year at UNC. In 5 years, he might be great, and if he is, imagine that with Monta Ellis, Anthony Randolph, and Andris Biedrins. If DeRozean ends up being great, that's 4 VERY solid players on the Warriors. You add Flynn, Holiday, Evans, Williams or Hill to Ellis, Randolph and Biedrins, you know you will only have 3 very solid players.Worst case scenario, we experiment for 3 years and it doesn't pan out, but we have a glut of 2's and 3's on our roster. Azubuike, Belinelli, Maggette, Morrow can all pick up the slack.

 

My advice, since the draft overall is weak, gamble on something great, if it doesn't pan out, our bench has to be one of the deepest in the league, they will pick up the slack, we won't fall off that much.

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Who will be a better player in 5 years? Demar DeRozan or Brandon Jennings?
DeRozan
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Jennings
108 votes

158 votes | Poll has closed

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Nice observation

But its kinda hard to tell whose going to be a hit or a bust. There are alot of folks who said so and so couldn’t do what an all-star can…then a couple of years later…FACE!

by Adobo Ranger on Jun 21, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

I agree with most of your statements. If available, I would like to see the warriors take Tyreke Evans at number 7 as Jordan Hill doesn’t have the potential to be an all-star in the NBA. I would like the warriors to take Ty Lawson, but not at 7.

by DubDubs on Jun 21, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn man

u are lowballin jonny flynn Jrue Holiday and Jordan Hill.

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by i love sports101 on Jun 21, 2009 8:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Jordan Hill will only be an average player.

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by Nuck Chorris on Jun 21, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

you maybe right bout that but

Flynn and Holiday are not role players at best

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by i love sports101 on Jun 21, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jennings is overwhelmingly thumping DeRozan right now and I’m a little surprised, but then again, there have been only 22 votes.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 21, 2009 9:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Vision

Jennings has the vision. You can’t learn vision. He’s also athletic and explosive, you can’t learn that either.

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by SPREEE4THREEE on Jun 21, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Potential

This post was totally my opinion, but I was thinking a lot about who would be the best fit, then I kind of had an epiphany, this year is weak. If we pick BAP or Best Fit, in 5 years, it will probably be an irrelevant pick. There are really only 2 possible players that I see us with the option of drafting that can have a (potentially) large role with this team in 5 years. And of course I think those players are Jennings and DeRozan.

You don’t have your Rose/Beasley/Mayo/Westbrook/Love, or your Oden/Durant/Horford, or your Bogut/Marvin Williams/Deron Williams/Chris Paul, or yoru Lebron James/Carmelo Anthony/Dwayne Wade/Chris Bosh. My point is, in all those drafts, everyone knew that those players would be pretty damn good, I mean at the time. And the list of players that they knew would be good went at least 3-5 players deep. This draft is 1 player deep in who we know will be good. 2-12 is a toss up in my mind.

So pick the one with the most upside and hope. If you do anything but, you’ll probably be sitting there with a role player in a few years. Of course, someone like Holiday could emerge as a star, but do you really see that happening? After 8 pts/game in college? Doubtful. Or Flynn, mediocre everything – quickness, shot, passing, defense, plus he’s short. I’m curious why anyone would think he as the potential to be a star. He’ll be serviceable, like I said, but nothing noteworthy in 5 years.

Anyways, we’ll see. I’m excited for Thursday!

by sauceycor on Jun 21, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m really high on Evans, but in general I agree. This draft is pretty weak and, historically, we do best when we gamble in drafts.

Also, outside of the top 5, the draft is a crap shoot, so why not go for the guy with the highest ceiling. I think that is Evans, Jennings, or DeRozan.

by philthiest on Jun 21, 2009 9:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't believe it's a weak draft in terms of starters and specialists, but weak in terms of Superstars

With that being said, I think DeRozen has the highest ceiling out of all the prospects, but I believe Jennings, Thabeet, Evans and Holiday trail behind.

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by ejdacanay on Jun 21, 2009 9:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I voted Derozan

Looking at the results of the Poll…Brandon Jennings is VERY popular, maybe very overrated.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Derozan becomes a better player than Jennings because BJ seems to be big bark, small bite.

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by AlbinoWhale on Jun 21, 2009 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

i’d rather draft a role player than a failure. in a weak draft, if you go for the guy with the most “potential” (which usually just translates to “best athlete”), and ignore the likelihood of reaching that potential, you probably wind up with a bust. there are plenty of guys that won’t be the best player or second best player on a contender, but you can safely say will be servicable for their careers.

in this draft, there are plenty of players available with ceilings somewhere around “good nba starter” who are safe bets to reach their potential. if we get a safe bet to be a good nba starter, i don’t think you can complain considering that neither derozan or jennings have much more potential than that, a very very slight chance of hitting their supposed ceilings and are more likely to be struggling to find rotation minutes wherever they end up. jennings and derozan aren’t likely to lead any team to a title or even be the second best player on a great team, so why swing for the fences in hopes that they will? there’s more than a few players who are safer bets with ceilings that aren’t that much lower.

i’d prefer to take someone who’s demonstrated that they are very likely to be a good player than someone who maybe, just maybe, could be the second best player on a contender.

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by cap'n hack on Jun 21, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Who's better?

Marco Bellinelli or Ricky Rubio?

I don’t know if Marco started for Italy’s team, but IMO, I believe Marco is better than Rubio by a bit. He just rarely got playing time.

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by AlbinoWhale on Jun 21, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

If the draft is so weak then just trade the pick to a team that is hording rookie contracts.

W’s should be upgrading talent through trades (no contract dumps unless they are to sign a player) rather looking at 3-4 year projects. “Upgrading talent” may be the wrong term. If they can’t upgrade talent with just 1 or 2 players and the pick then they should make a trade to fill a need (backup PF, point guard). Monta will still be playing PG, but I guarantee that he will spend plenty of time at the two. That means the backup PG is really getting heavier minutes than most would.

I say do a 3 for 2 that clears out “some wings” and brings in one decent wing (doesn’t have to be an upgrade) and a big bodied backup PF. That could be possible considering the relatively high quality of a Nelson wing (they tend to thrive after leaving his teams). Personally I love Landry (the rockets do too), but the rockets need scoring off the bench to help much more. W’s could easily provide this, and the inclusion of someone like wright means they don’t take a big hit at the 4. Wright’s stats are nearly identical and he was very productive, but their style of play is different. I’m not saying we could get landry, but the Rocket’s wings are pretty weak (offensively at least). Scola can go back to the PF position when Yao gets back (shame about his foot).

If W’s can shave even 1 or 2 million off the salary (include the #7) then that could be enough to go over the MLE and put the Bucks in a situation where they can’t match if W’s go for Sessions. Sessions can play alongside Monta as a PG, but can also change his game to play more like a 2 if need be.

This off season plan fills two immediate needs for the Warriors (a physical backup PF and a pseudo-backup PG not named Crawford). The Rockets probably don’t want to give up Landry and can’t take on any extra salary (Damn you T-mac, fortunately W’s wings are pretty cheap), but Landry is a perfect example of the type of player the W’s need to fill that spot. That is the style of off season move the Warriors should be looking to make.

No projects, no salary protection. Just ship extra talent out to fill the team needs. Wait one season and reassess with a more reliable draft and a decently stacked roster that has less redundancy. R & R only have 3 seasons at most to get a solid playoff appearance in or they are toast. This fits with their agenda as well.

Ideally I think they want 2 new veteran faces, their pick and a crawgette contract gone (both would be absurd). Although I think they will only get 1 decent vet and the pick. They may not even be able to get rid of one contract. Still, I don’t want any trades that are only going to put money back into Cohan’s pockets, unless it is done so by winning.

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by Nuck Chorris on Jun 21, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Just saw this:
-Golden State appears to be exploring possibilities to improve on the defensive end in hopes of making a strong run to the playoffs next season. One trade that has reportedly been offered by the Charlotte Bobcats that may help on that front would involve packaging Kelenna Azubuike and Marco Belinelli in exchange for Raja Bell. The Warriors are pondering the offer, but would have to get Azubuike’s consent to make the trade unless they decided to wait until July 24th.

In other Warriors news, it appears that despite not having worked him out, Stephen Curry is the team’s main target should he be available with the 7th pick. Other options include Jordan Hill, Tyreke Evans and James Johnson.

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by kenntoe on Jun 21, 2009 10:50 PM PDT reply actions  

wow

thats big news actually

i wouldnt mind getting bell

but i hope they toss in maggs or crawford and get wallace also!

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by LostHawk on Jun 21, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

That would be nice

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by i love sports101 on Jun 22, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I knew it Curry is ours on draft night MARK IT DOWN.

1.Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Flynn 5. Harden 6. Tyreke 7. Curry 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10. Jordan Hill (that is how the top 10 will play out)

by Sinigang on Jun 21, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

that trade would suck. warriors either need to draft derozan or hill and sign sessions or draft jennings and throw everything we can at ariza.

by dubsfan510 on Jun 21, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please not Curry

Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 21, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be a strange trade...

But not really a bad one. It has the right idea to it, trading two players with potential for one that is currently better. Since the Warriors have so many potential talents, this type of trade has to happen at some point.

However, Bell is a SG. I know both Marco and Buike are SG too, but since Buike is a decent rebounder and athletic he can pass as a SF. I don’t think Bell can pass as a SF, which means Jack will probably have to spend time there. That in turn means less time for Maggs, or since it’s Nellie, more time for Maggs at the PF. I’m pretty sure nobody wants to watch Maggs at the PF anymore…

They could opt to let Morrow play SF because he is also a capable rebounder, but he is much shorter than Jackson…

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jun 22, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

No curry?

1.Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Flynn 5. Harden 6. Tyreke 7. Curry 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10. Jordan Hill (that is how the top 10 will play out)

by Sinigang on Jun 21, 2009 11:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Jennings and Flynn will have a nice future...yes Curry will as well

but Rob Kurz will always dominate them.

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by RunNdGun on Jun 21, 2009 11:21 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Kurz is the savior...

start him next year and he’ll crossover Kobe and facialize LeBron

by Butt Secks on Jun 22, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry= Heart, bball iq, killer instict, stroke, and unselfish. He’s a WARRIOR. the knicks will be rioting when we pick him. He can create his own shot. He would be perfect in Nellie’s system.

1.Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Flynn 5. Harden 6. Tyreke 7. Curry 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10. Jordan Hill (that is how the top 10 will play out)

by Sinigang on Jun 21, 2009 11:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the Wizards will snag Curry.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 21, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, Harden is going to the Wizards. Memphis picks Thabeet. OKC picks Ricky Rubio because you can’t just pass him up.

1.Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Flynn 5. Harden 6. Tyreke 7. Curry 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10. Jordan Hill (that is how the top 10 will play out)

by Sinigang on Jun 21, 2009 11:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I think they can pass on Ricky Rubio if they’re serious about developing Russell Westbrook as a point guard.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 21, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by i love sports101 on Jun 22, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rob Kurz is a beast

check out his game winning shot vs the Bucks

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by i love sports101 on Jun 22, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

this draft

is going to be ridiculously interesting. I know all drafts are interesting but this one is ridiculously unpredictable from 2-15 anything could happen. How do we know memphis wont draft rubio or not? maybe oklahoma city decides to take evans?? sacramento could take curry? I think I’m going to drink a lot before this draft so I can get over who we pick faster….

by FeartheBeard4 on Jun 22, 2009 10:44 PM PDT reply actions  

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