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RUMOR: Warriors and Bobcats discussing Kelenna Azubuike and Marco Belinelli for Raja Bell

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From Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress in Word on the Street, June 22nd:

Golden State appears to be exploring possibilities to improve on the defensive end in hopes of making a strong run to the playoffs next season. One trade that has reportedly been offered by the Charlotte Bobcats that may help on that front would involve packaging Kelenna Azubuike and Marco Belinelli in exchange for Raja Bell. The Warriors are pondering the offer, but would have to get Azubuike's consent to make the trade unless they decided to wait until July 24th.

First of all it's good to hear the Warriors are exploring possibilities to improve on D. They can start by trying. The next step is getting players who can and want to actually play defense. Kaz is not a great defender by any stretch mostly because of his sub-par foot speed for an NBA swingman, but he's not the worst defender on this team. Nor is he a player that needs to be shipped out. Although he exerted infinitely more effort on defense this season than his first in the association, Belinelli still looked clueless on defensive end last season often making silly mistakes resulting from not even paying attention to his man.

There's no doubt that the Warriors need to upgrade their roster defensively. Azubuike is by no means untradeable and Belinelli really isn't worth holding onto barring some miraculous and stunning improvement by him next season (good for him if he pulls it off, but I just don't see it). Even though he's had some flopping moments, Raja Bell is a very reputable defender. His 3pt shooting is also very impressive. Think Mickael Pietrus with a much higher hoops IQ.

BUT this trade as is seems a little odd. Is an aging Bell (33 at the start of the season) with his solid defense really that much better than Azubuike at this point? If the Warriors were anywhere close to contending (which they aren't for anyone wondering), then I might be persuaded to see the potential benefits of this trade with Bell's defense. As is however, I'm not so sure this buys the Dubs all that much if anything at all.

Still it's great to see some defensive vibes coming out of the Dubs after their absolutely atrocious defensive performance this past season.

 

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Do you want to see Kelenna Azubuike and Marco Belinelli traded for Raja Bell?
YES: Bring Bell to the Bay!
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NO: Stick with Kaz and Belinelli
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We can find better deals then that.

Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 21, 2009 11:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank God this is only a rumor.

We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jun 22, 2009 12:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But Marco can go

We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jun 22, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why is everyone so down on marco

Cause Havoc. Bring Nash in and 120 point games will be very expected

by montadaboss on Jun 22, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s probably no better than the 11th best player on our roster….I doubt many teams are higher on their 11th best player than any of us are on Marco.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 22, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i voted for bell...

just because i like his d…. line up could look like this

monta/jennings
jack/morrow
bell/mags
randolph/wright
beans/roonie

pretty good line up to me unless we can switch kaz with craw or mags which i don’t think it could work…

by Fi7ipin0ch3f on Jun 22, 2009 12:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and not to mention

he’s a good 3 point shooter

by Fi7ipin0ch3f on Jun 22, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not better than Buike. #3 in the league last year!

by myk on Jun 22, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Charlotte throws in #12 its more fair.

Jennings, Flynn, Holiday could be there. Or take the best PG #7 and get Earl Clark #12.

by Bob on Jun 22, 2009 12:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Charlotte “throws in” the #12 its a pretty awful deal for them. This trade wouldn’t really make them better, but it would make them younger….why would they then throw in their draft pick to defeat that purpose?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 22, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

id be stoked

bell would be a great 2/3 for us

if we can do this and toss in maggs/crawford and get wallace….we’d be set

ellis – jennings/curry
jack – morrow
wallace – bell
randolph – wright
andris – turiaf

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by LostHawk on Jun 22, 2009 12:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ll suggest the same trade I did in the post similar to this:

I’m not sure if this is doable:

Warriors Get:
Raja Bell
Gerald Wallace
12th overall pick

Bobcats Get:
(Kelenna Azubuike or Marco Belinelli)
Corey Maggette
7th overall pick

If we trade down, we can still get our pick of a pretty solid point guard, likely Jonny Flynn or Ty Lawson.

The swapping of picks is included in case they won’t do it otherwise.

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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 22, 2009 12:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i wouldnt trade the 7th pick… i’d trade kaz and beli both plus mags for wallace and bell

by Fi7ipin0ch3f on Jun 22, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

forget it. You won’t get Wallace for Maggette. Wallace is our MVP.

by Mr_Shuttlesworth on Jun 22, 2009 3:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

i do not think bell is better then azebuike at all. and giving up a decent starter and role player for a role player who’s career is going down hill. i do not see how this helps us at all

by gsw.raiders on Jun 22, 2009 12:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Raja Bell is a very reputable defender.

You got that right. He built quite the reputation as a “Kobe stopper” (mainly because he got into some verbal sparring with Kobe and clotheslined him). Now I’m all for a good takedown, especially on Mr. Bryant, but it does not a good perimeter defender make. If KAz were on that Suns team he’d be the one assigned to Kobe, and he might have gained notoriety as a “Kobe stopper”. It’s really not that hard to match up against Kobe; any 6’6ish swingman with decent size, quickness, athleticism, fundamentals, and effort could do all right. Ronnie Brewer, Battier, Dahntay Jones, Pietrus, Bell, all more or less interchangeable. Bell’s nothing special.

Pretty sure he’s nothing on offense apart from spot-up shooting.

Let’s not dump our most consistent and versatile player for an aging two-trick pony…

by antihero on Jun 22, 2009 12:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one remembering

that buike and marco were able to stop kobe pretty well over the past 2 seasons?

by mosdl on Jun 22, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, because thats not really true

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 22, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they actually did do a pretty good job

you should really watch a game or 2 next season, it’s good stuff

by 123707THIZZ on Jun 22, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

umm… Belinelli and Azubuike combined to play more than 36 minutes against the Lakers three times last year. Kobe had 21, 31, and 30. Thats about 27 ppg …..just about his average ppg for the season. Thats much too small and too “untelling” of a sample size to really draw any kind of conclusions from.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 23, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kobe is pretty easy to guard. Ray Allen guarded him all right in the finals.. even JJ Redick had a go.

I do remember Buike and Marco doing a good job on him, albeit in the span of 2 or 3 games. Gasol was the one who killed us this year.

by antihero on Jun 23, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

if the warriors go through with this, this would be a typical don nelson move.
if raja wasnt 33 years old, i may consider it…but this is just ridiculous

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by gorillas on Jun 22, 2009 12:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure Nelson likes Azu's game s\o hopefully he wont do this

But the chance of shaking Beli could be too much to pass up for him

by 123707THIZZ on Jun 22, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

trading for defensive minded wing is a typical Don Nelson move?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 22, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know about this

Im both a bobcat fan and a warrior fan….looking at this it seems like a better deal for the cats than the dubs. Reading posts above..there is no way the cats give up wallace or the #12 pick. Also, there is no way the cats would take maggette or crawford. The cats need size and a SG, but Brown wont sacrafice Defense….Plus, with the money corey and crawford make, they would have to throw in wallace, and thats not going to happen. As for the warriors…Bell is a capable defender and is an OK outside threat, but at 33 he has slowed. However, this is the last year in his contract, so there will be minor cap relief for the dubs in the near future, or at the very least another bargaining chip. Good deal for the Cats. The W’s could do better, but may not be as bad as it seems

by rtgunn on Jun 22, 2009 12:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

raja is old and won't bring us anything new

we could get more for kaz and belli than raja bell…

by HoLdEmUP on Jun 22, 2009 1:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

like what?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 22, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No thanks

Buikes more valuable to the team then people think.

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by Xero on Jun 22, 2009 2:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Buike should only be traded for a huge upgrade. Bell does not represent that. Buike also is good value at his salary, consistant and most importantly, doesn’t do stupid *&^%.

I would hate to lose him for Bell, even straight up.

by Balance on Jun 22, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

We already have an older, 3pt/defensive player, and his name is sjax.

by mosdl on Jun 22, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

-1

Jackson’s career 3pt% is 34.1%, Bell’s is 41.1% I didn’t see Bell much last year so I can’t say for certain, but he was a much better defensive player than Jackson the last time I saw much of him. Jackson is not a bad defensive player, but I think around here we tend to strongly overrate his abilities on that end.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 22, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The team can't do this before Crawford either

I mean, that greatly affects the salary cap implications (and PT effects) of this move.

by dprodigy19 on Jun 22, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No i wouldn't do that trade

we are losing depth and a very good role player/starter in Bukie and a shooting and playmaking guard in Bellineli

by GSW9 on Jun 22, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not certain I’d make that deal, but depth should be one of our very last concerns

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 22, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this makes the bobcats better

but it’s not implausible; i remember nellie saying he never thought that bell would mature to become the player he is

by steelekord on Jun 22, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

KEEP BUIKE PLEASE!!!!!!!!

buike is young and talented and can get better… if we can get gerald wallace out of this without getting rid of buike then i would say go for it

by baydestrian_415 on Jun 22, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pass. Bell at 33 is not likely to be the sort of defensive lift that some imagine. He’s at a point where his skills could make him totally useless in short order. Azubuike is useful, not a star, but useful and a reasonable contract for a couple more years. If there’s something more to this deal, like picks coming our way, perhaps. But as it’s written, this deal doesn’t make us a better team. The only additional upside is that Bell’s contract might be something we could move mid-season to a team looking to clear cap space.

by jae on Jun 22, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is...

…a bad joke of a trade. At 33, there’s no guarantee that Bell will even continue being a better defender than Azubuike or Belinelli next year. He’s getting to an age where a guard’s skills can evaporate overnight. Not to mention, he’s simply not a very dynamic offensive player.

by Zack Vank on Jun 22, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

not a good trade

the upgrade in defense is small (existent, but small). the upgrade in offense is also pretty small. i just feel like the buike+belli package can get us a better player than raja bell, close to a buike-caliber role player at 33 years old.

by Run Dubz on Jun 22, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NO

Buike is way too talented and young, so is Rocky. Keep both players!!

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by Dubz50 on Jun 22, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

AND

Buike as we seen is getting alot better every year!! Hes only 25, its scary when u think about how much talent da kids got

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by Dubz50 on Jun 22, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ney on raja bell move

especially not for rocky

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by gametime_gsw on Jun 22, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea if stats back me up, but isn’t Buike a better player than Bell?

Buike seems to be a great value, we get a 3 point shooter, a back to the basket game, pretty good defense, in my opinion a clutch player all for a pretty good price.

Plus, those biceps are ridiculous. If we ever get into an all out brawl, I feel sorry for the 6’2 point guard who finds himself staring up at Maggette and Azubuike.

by belilaugh on Jun 22, 2009 2:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

if were trading with bobcats

then it needs to include Wallace or just forget it. He’s the only player that could make an impact in our line up.

by Warriorfan on Jun 22, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I probably wouldn’t make this deal if it were up to me, but its not the very worst idea that has been floated, I think the crazy strong opposition to it is kinda weird.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 22, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

if you look at the stats buike is already better then Bell

bell gp gs mpg fg% 3pt% ft% rpg apg stl blk to ppg
08-09 — 67 66 34.6 .437 .421 0.853 3.6 2.1 0.8 0.1 1.28 11.9
buike
               74 51 32.1 .464 .448 0.808 5.0 1.6 0.8 0.7 1.28 14.4
as for Bell being the better defender im not buying it. Buike is a good man to man defender when hes not guarding a PF that is. Bell was pretty good but now hes Bowen status

by Warriorfan on Jun 22, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hmmm…. I don’t know if I’d say Buike is as good of a defensive player. I think they are pretty similar on the offensive end, and I didn’t see much of Bell last year but he was a much better defensive player than Buike fairly recently. Azubuike is not a bad defensive player next to the rest of our guys, but he’s still not very good against 4’s or wings. The fact that he’s significantly younger and signed for a reasonable amount for several years probably makes this a deal thats closer to bad than good, and I really like Buike but I think we’re overrating him a little here.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 22, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

get a better defensive coach

These are decent players, get the proper coachingfor them. Look at Pietrus, the guy was defending LBJ and Kobe(altho not very effective).

by hkingkong on Jun 22, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

who do you want to have coach this team?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 22, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i bet a lot of our guys could guard kobe (altho not very effective), no matter who was coaching.

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by cap'n hack on Jun 22, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell No! I wouldn't trade 1 of these players, let alone 2, for the aging Bell

From the post:

“Belinelli still looked clueless on defensive end last season often making silly mistakes resulting from not even paying attention to his man… Belinelli really isn’t worth holding onto barring some miraculous and stunning improvement by him next season "

WTF? Belinelli showed the most improvement of all the Warriors on D. If you want to watch clueless on D, just watch Monta and Crawford. Last year was essentially Rocky’s rookie season. Before he got injured, he had a nice stretch of games scoring 20+ and showed very nice playmaking skills, as well as dramatic improvement on D. How soon you forget? He’s young, his contract is small, and he is the best passer on the Warriors (a team that was lacking in that department). Belinelli can easily become a Ginobili-type player, it is INSANE to say “he’s really isn’t worth holding onto…”

Then again, this is the Warriors, I really wouldn’t put it past this front office to make such an idiotic move.

by RowellMustGo on Jun 23, 2009 12:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Belinelli can easily become a Ginobili-type player

Oh no, now were going to get another 20 posts about race

by 123707THIZZ on Jun 23, 2009 12:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nah, just about realizing what a player is capable of or about how good manu is.

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by cap'n hack on Jun 23, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about a single post about how the comment title bar is not the same thing as quoting someone?

by jae on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

JAE

If i knew how to do that i promise you i would. But go ahead and make that post if you feel the need to, to feel good.

by 123707THIZZ on Jun 23, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hilarity is not your specialty

Hahahahahaha this is a joke right? Marco Belinelli and Kelenna Azubuike for Raja Bell? Really? Are you insane thinking that this was a good trade and you say that Kelenna isn’t a good defender. You must be really slow, Kelenna is a solid defender and there’s no way in hell the Warriors would even consider accepting that trade. This rumor is ony good for a laugh.

by Rocky632 on Jun 23, 2009 2:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow I take offense to that

I don’t mind people disagreeing with my sometimes off the wall opinions and analysis and concluding that I’m not very bright. But people thinking I’m not hilarious? That’s my bread and butter!

by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 23, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this better not happen

Azubuike is an extremely underrated player and can step up (maybe not exactly as a leader) when needed like the end of the season when we played many games with 7 players and he went out there and got like 30 pts a night grabbed boards and threw out some dimes……and raja bell is a good player but not worth it for azubuike AND marco

by gsw4lyfe on Jun 23, 2009 11:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

bad trade

AZ is a strong physical guard who can shoot the three (much like a young Bell actually). Signing him for 3yrs/9 mil was one of Mullin’s better moves bc he is just coming into his best years and will be a bargain, a very useful bench player. Plus he’s improved from last year. He’s going to be playing his ass off the next two years for an even better contract. Why trade him for a 33 year old? We’re not contending for a championship this year and will Bell even be a productive player the next two years? (odds are he’s declining). Also Belineli showed improvement last year. Let’s see what we have with these guys unless you get something that could improve the team long term.

by gsfool on Jun 25, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

omg please dont trade buike :( :( :(

cause i’ll cry :( i dont even want buike mentioned in the trade talks for amare. as amazing as amare would be, i’d dislike him for at least 2 months cause it would mean no buike.

anyway. bad trade.

Azubuike? More like Azucutie!

by goldenstatelove on Jun 26, 2009 3:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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