Minnesota acquires 5th pick in exchange for Randy Foye
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 23, 2009 4:35 PM PDT
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PrintThe Washington Wizards have acquired Minnesota Timberwolves guards Randy Foye(notes) and Mike Miller(notes) for Etan Thomas(notes), Oleksiy Pecherov(notes) and Darius Songaila and the fifth pick in Thursday’s NBA draft, a league executive with knowledge of the deal told Yahoo! Sports.
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This sucks. This probably ensures Tyreke Evans isn't there by 7. I'm assuming Minny packages 5 and 6 to thrifty Memphis for #2 which equates to Rubio.
2- Minny- Rubio
3- OKC- Thabeet
4- Sac- Jrue Holiday
5- Memphis- Jordan Hill
6- Memphis
Memphis, being semi-loaded with guards with Conley, Gay, Mayo would probably add Jordan Hill to the mix with one of their first rounders. This would mean their other pick?
Tyreke Evans?
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The Wizards have now rounded out their lineup with the solid Mike Miller coming off the bench and they’ll shed over $7 million after this year after they let him walk.
The Timberwolves, if they don’t trade up to grab the second pick, will probably go with Stephen Curry and James Harden.
Things just got that much more interesting now.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions
Can this Happen
1. Blake
2. Hasheem
3. Rubio
4. Tyreke or Jonny Flynn
5. Jordan Hill
6. Curry
7. Harden
1.Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Flynn 5. Harden 6. Tyreke 7. Curry 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10. Jordan Hill (that is how the top 10 will play out) OR 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Tyreke 5. Harden 6. Curry 7. Jennings 8. Flynn
9. DeRozen 10. Jordan Hill
Who has what pick? I don’t think the Timberwolves are even considering Jordan Hill since they have Kevin Love and Al Jefferson. The Timberwolves would definitely gobble up both Stephen Curry and James Harden if they’re available. Those are their starting guards this upcoming season if that’s the case.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, How bout this?
Clippers1. Blake
Memphis2. Hasheem
OKC- Rubio
Kings- FLynn
Minnesota- Tyreke Evans
Minnesota- Stephen Curry
Warriors- James Harden
1.Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Flynn 5. Harden 6. Tyreke 7. Curry 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10. Jordan Hill (that is how the top 10 will play out) OR 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Tyreke 5. Harden 6. Curry 7. Jennings 8. Flynn
9. DeRozen 10. Jordan Hill
That'll probably depend on the Kings and Minnesota's big boards.
I think the Kings will go with Tyreke personally. Flynn dropping out of the top 7.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
I think Harden is higher on their board than Evans.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
i wouldnt be suprised if he is but the Kings do need a point gaurd and have expressed alot of interest in Evans and Flynn. But i guess with the #4 pick you cant draft for need, only for BPA.
Oh, I was talking about the Timberwolves and not the Kings with the “Harden is higher on their board than Evans” comment.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 24, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Whoaaa...
Crazy trade shakes things up for sure.
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I hope Minny packages the pick...
If they don’t…that probably means Jordan Hill will be putting on a W’s cap. =*(
Early word is actually that they won’t try to trade up — that’s from Andy Katz.
Yeah, my initial reaction was that this makes us likelier to draft Jordan Hill, but actually I’m not sure. The Wolves are almost definitely gonna go guard/guard, with some combo of Evans, Harden, Rubio and Curry. But I don’t think they’d take Rubio and Curry… just seems like an overly small tandem.
For those of us who are rooting for Curry, I think this trade is actually good news. The team that was most likely to take Curry if the traded up was the Knicks, and now they’re out in the cold. He’s still not likely to last till seven, but I think it could happen, depending on how Minnesota wants to align their backcourt.
i think he ends up with the wolves. two picks and they seem to love the guy. he’s a great fit with jefferson and love because they need a shooter and bassy telfair is their point guard right now. if the wolves don’t trade up, they take curry.
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I think so as well.
I think if the Kings pass on Tyreke, they could go with Harden and Evans with the consecutive picks. This is contingent on whether or not they think Evans can play PG or not. If not they could go Curry as well. Either way I thin they’ll get the players they want.
That means that I believe Hill will be the pick at 7. Again, one spot away from the player we really want.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Essentially, we need the Kings to reach for Jrue Holliday. If they do that, and the Wolves’ interest in Evans is real, one of Harden, Curry or Rubio falls to us. If the Kings don’t screw up, we’re probably stuck with Hill.
I think it’s safe to say that if Rubio is available at four, he won’t have to wait any longer.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
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by RunNdGun on Jun 23, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigh
There goes Tyreke Evans and Jordan Hill. Seems like we’re going to end up picking Stephen Curry….
by shakenbakeuhear on Jun 23, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions
I don’t think thats true at all, the assumption that Minny will use those two picks to trade up is a pretty big one
Thing A
From ESPN's Rich Bucher
The Wolves now own Nos. 5, 6, 18 and 28 in the first round. A source said that the Timberwolves won’t package Nos. 5 and 6 for No. 2, but they could offer the fifth and 18th picks for the second.
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
close as I could find, but you know anyting can change in the next 48 hrs
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4282279
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It’s the second paragraph
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
It may not take the fifth and the sixth overall pick to grab the second overall pick. Minnesota has four picks in the first round alone. They could package the fifth overall pick and the 18th overall pick for the second overall pick. Minnesota could then draft Rubio second, Curry or Harden fifth and the Memphis would take Hill sixth. James Harden or Stephen Curry would be waiting for us at number seven.
Let’s say that that the Timberwolves trade the fifth overall and the 18th overall picks to the Grizzlies for the second overall pick:
1.) Los Angeles Clippers — Blake Griffin, PF/Oklahoma; Sophomore
2.) Minnesota Timberwolves — Ricky Rubio, PG/Spain; International
3.) Oklahoma City Thunder — Hasheem Thabeet, C/Connecticut; Junior
4.) Sacramento Kings — Tyreke Evans, PG/Memphis; Freshman
5.) Minnesota Timberwolves — Stephen Curry, PG/Davidson; Junior
6.) Memphis Grizzlies — Jordan Hill, PF/Arizona; Junior
If the trade doesn’t happen, I think this will transpire:
1.) Los Angeles Clippers — Blake Griffin, PF/Oklahoma; Sophomore
2.) Memphis Grizzlies — Hasheem Thabeet, C/Connecticut; Junior
3.) Oklahoma City Thunder — James Harden, SG/Arizona State; Sophomore
4.) Sacramento Kings — Ricky Rubio, PG/Spain; International
5.) Minnesota Timberwolves — James Harden, SG/Arizona State; Sophomore
6.) Minneosta Timberwolves — Stephen Curry, PG/Davidson; Junior
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions
Had no idea Minny has 4 now. LOL
4 in the weakest draft in 20-25 years or so.
If they are able to package the picks…wowzers. They’ll be set up nicely.
A recovering Al Jefferson. Etan Thomas is an expiring. Shelden Williams, they probably won’t tender the QO to. They’ll have $15M in contracts next year, with possibly 2 decent first rounders this year…and a BOATLOAD of capspace next season.
They sound like they're taking the KP route.
Gain as many assets and hope you get the guys you target from the beginning. In 06’ KP did it with Aldridge and Roy. If Minny can hit with their two picks in the top of the draft, they could add quality players to their core of Al Jefferson and Kevin Love. A Curry, Harden, Love and Jefferson lineup looks pretty good to me. Add in a Center in 2010, and they’re in business.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
jefferson can play center, that lineup is really lacking a small forward more than anything, and ideally a small forward who can hit a couple 3s.
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I think SF isn't that big of a deal.
Not if they can draft two guys to play the backcourt successfully. They’d then have 4 spots filled with productive players. I doubt they’re a playoff club at all, but put in another high draft pick next year in what’s supposed to be a deep draft, and they’re a team to watch out for…whether they have a hole at the C or SF positions. However this is contingent upon Minnesota A. Keeping the 5th and 6th picks, not to mention their other two 1st round picks. And B. That whomever they pick, they can be a productive player.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
yeah, it’s not a disaster, but i’d say that finding a better center than jefferson will be harder than finding a better small forward than carney/brewer/gomes.
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yeah
and plus in kenntoes scenario if they were to draft a center next year then that would mean love at sf which would be a disaster.
Or a great 6th man.
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Ummmm
you put James Harden 2 times
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I meant to go with DeMar DeRozan to the Timberwolves on the second one.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh
how bout Tyreke, I think he is better than DeMar
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if the Timberwolves take Curry, I don’t know that they’d take another point guard. DeRozan would really give them a legitimate player at the wing now that Miller is gone. Besides, Evans may go to the Kings with the fourth pick.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
True
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
If I’m Minnesota, I’ll trade the fifth overall pick and the 18th overall pick in exchange for the second overall pick even if that means that I have to take on a bad contract or two. I’d take Rubio second and DeRozan sixth if Harden is gone by then.
2009-2010 Minnesota Timberwolves:
PG — Ricky Rubio / Bobby Brown
SG — DeMar DeRozan / 26th overall pick
SF — Ryan Gomes / Corey Brewer
PF — Kevin Love / Craig Smith
C — Al Jefferson / Shelden Williams
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
Minnesota is puttin up a good squad
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I even forget about Rodney Carney there. He would be another reserve at a wing spot and then they could take the best player available with the 26th overall pick.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
i could see them grabbing curry with the 6th pick, just to have at least one guy with range.
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
but then they would have a major gap in outside shooting?
i do not think they will move up for rubio. they are extremely high on evans and curry and now they can have both.
That’s definitely another possibility and much more reasonable thought than mine, actually, and we could see that transpire on draft night. I would rather have DeRozan than Evans, though, personally.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes,
I believe it’ll depend on how well they think Curry and Evans can play next to each other. If Harden is there, I’m sure they’ll take him and either Curry or Evans. We don’t know how Minny’s big board looks like however.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Actually, I have that scenario playing out in my mock draft just because I think they do like Evans more than DeRozan:
My Top 7:
1.) Los Angeles Clippers — Blake Griffin, PF/Oklahoma; Sophomore
2.) Memphis Grizzlies — Hasheem Thabeet, C/Connecticut; Junior
3.) Oklahoma City Thunder — James Harden, SG/Arizona State; Sophomore
4.) Sacramento Kings — Ricky Rubio, PG/Spain; International
5.) Minnesota Timberwolves — Stephen Curry, PG/Davidson; Junior
6.) Minnesota Timberwolves — Tyreke Evans, PG/Memphis; Freshman
7.) Golden State Warriors — Jordan Hill, PF/Arizona; Junior
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I was getting excited that Curry would drop to us at 7, but that's looking less and less likely.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Lets say
Minnesota trades 5th pick and 18th pick for #2 pick
1 you already know
2 Minnesota Rubio
3 OKC Harden
4 Kings Rubio
5 Memphis Jordan Hill
6 Minnesota Tyreke Evans
7 GSW decision between BJ and DeRozan ( i would go with Jennings)
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Thabeet would go third to the Thunder and then the Grizzlies would have to consider Harden with the fifth pick. If not, then the Timberwolves would probably take Harden or Evans and then we’d have to decide between Curry and Evans assuming Harden goes sixth to the Timberwolves.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Thabeet will fall that far.
I think Minnesota should definitely pick Thabeet up at 6 if he’s there. Then with the 18th you can either go with a SG-or combo guard if they want outside shooting, or package the 18th and their late 1st for another player maybe Earl Clark.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
i dont know if you guys saw this, but Thabeet doesnt want to play in Memphis.
“They don’t spend any money anymore. They don’t have a commitment to put a winning team on the floor right now. It’s not where an agent wants to send his star pick,” one source said of Memphis’
With that being said, Memphis would most likely take Rubio which would lead to Sac into taking Evans. Then Minny would select Thabeet believe it or not because he is a true Center that plays D which would move Big Al to the 4 where hes more of a scorer.
The latest word was that Memphis met with him for three hours some time after that was released. I don’t have the link, but it was by Chad Ford and he still had Thabeet going to Memphis at last word.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be ecstatic if we could pick between Harden and Curry.
In your second mock you have James Harden twice. Would you put Tyreke 5th overall?
Second one I would be disappointed if that happened.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Actually, I would’ve left Harden at three and had Evans substituted in there instead of Harden the second time.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That didn’t take long. The phones are busy today.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to make a trade now!!!
Im gettin jealous of Minnesota
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
According to ESPN,
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4282279
The Wolves would then keep the draft pick and their own selection at No. 6 and not try to package those to move up, a source told ESPN.com’s Andy Katz.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Jun 23, 2009 4:57 PM PDT reply actions
I hope this gives us a better chance seeing Brandon Jennings in a Warriors uniform!
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he wasn’t going top 6 anyway, particularly not to the wizards.
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I would hope that both Hill and Curry are off the boards by the time #7 comes around and we then (are forced to) choose Brandon Jennings
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by JustSomeName on Jun 23, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
there are at least a few guys that will be on the board that seem like better picks than jennings at the 7. we certainly wouldn’t be forced to take him, because he definitely won’t be the clear cut bpa.
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by cap'n hack on Jun 23, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn’t be in such a hurry to trade if I’m Minnesota. I’m saying, “Hey, look at me. I’m in a spot to grab Stephen Curry and James Harden.”
Then again, the other side of that is Ricky Rubio and that’s pretty enticing as well.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if Harden’s gone, why not just pick DeRozan? Would you rather have Ricky Rubio or DeMar DeRozan and Stephen Curry? I don’t know.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I guess we’re all just waiting to see how the Timberwolves approach this now. I wonder if they’re talking with the Grizzlies as we speak. Something may not happen until draft night, however, and it would make the draft pretty exciting.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be a dream
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I think minny takes tyreke evans over curry and then takes jordan hill because it doesn’t make sense for them to draft 2 combo guards
by shakenbakeuhear on Jun 23, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't see Minny taking Jordan Hill with 5 or 6
if you’ve got Kevin Love and AL Jefferson at your PF spots. Neither of them are really Centers and neither is Jordan Hill.
al can play the center pretty effectively. he’s anchored to the block on offense and doesn’t need to run around the perimeter guarding the amares and rashard lewises of the world if he’s playing center. i wouldn’t rule out jordan hill, but i still don’t think he goes there.
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I doubt they take Hill as well.
They need to build around Jefferson, like the way SAS built around Duncan. Harden and Curry both have the outside shooting capabilities to open up the low block for Jefferson. Either of them and/or Tyreke Evans is who I could see Minny going with. Thabeet if he falls there to 6, or trade up for Rubio with either the 5th or 6th and the 18th.
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If that happens
there is no way Nellie chooses BJ over Stephen
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I agree.
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If Curry is available, he’s coming to Oakland.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Not if Hill is there
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we’d take Curry over Hill.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Riley Said
we need beef & Nellie told him too many good things….. Therefore, Hill will be a Warrior
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I gotta think
The Warriors have Curry and Evans above Hill.
Riley hasn’t overly intimated going in either direction. I don’t have a good take on who their leaning towards, but I can tell you these 3 guys are probably high on their big board.
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maybe Curry, not Evans
It’s got to be between Curry and Hill.
If there both off the board, gad I hope we don’t fall for the B Jennings hype.
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by qin on Jun 23, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Minnesota might go with Curry with the sixth overall pick after packaging the fifth and the 18th overall picks for the second overall pick. If that deal does go through or something like it in which the Timberwolves still have the sixth overall pick, I mean, I don’t know which direction that they’d go in with that pick. I don’t know if they’d take both Rubio and Curry. I’m assuming that Thabeet is going third to the Thunder and that the Kings are going with Evans or Holiday. Then, I’d say that the Grizzlies may go with Harden with the fifth pick despite already having an undersized shooting guard.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno man...
I really don’t think 5 and 18 would be good enough to get Rubio. I think if anything, it’d probably involve Minnesota taking back some bad contracts.
Marko Jaric 2 years 14.7M
Greg Buckner 2 years 8.27M
if marco jaric ended up back in a wolves uniform, expect wolves fans everywhere to begin weeping. there’s such a strong hatred for jaric in ‘sota. they dealt cassell and a first rounder for him and that dreadful contract and then finally shed him as part of the love deal. they don’t want him back.
i’d say that the 5 and the 6 actually seems reasonable to get rubio.
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I think it's reasonable enough from Memphis' point of view
but I think it might be a bit much from Minnesota.
They effectively dealt Randy Foye and Mike Miller for essentially the 5th pick.
So they’d be dealing Randy Foye, Mike Miller, and #6 for # 2.
yeah, i actually like the sound of that a lot from a wolves perspective, an expiring contract, a 6th/7th man type guard and the 6 pick for ricky rubio? i’m in.
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If Rubio pans out...
adding him to Love and Jefferson + $40+M under the cap next offseason sounds mighty interesting for a Wolves franchise.
so does a harden/curry combo at the 5/6 (as rated-r superstar pointed out above). this is a great day for wolves fans and really changes the landscape for warriors fans. another trade with memphis could really shake things up.
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I don't think it changes the landscape that much.
At least nothing the Warriors didn’t expect as a possible scenario. That still leaves Hill on the board, who’s been linked to the Warriors for weeks now.
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by kenntoe on Jun 23, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let me guess.
a. because he doesn’t fit with Monta
b. because he played against scrubs in college
c. because he’s JJ Redick 2.0
d. all of the above
e. other (please specify)
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 23, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
he looks just like another marco belinelli (not saying he's bad or anything)
by shakenbakeuhear on Jun 23, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions
he’s a good shooter with some passing abilities, and has questionable defense. Sounds a little bit like marco to me
by shakenbakeuhear on Jun 23, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
curry puts marco’s shooting to shame and he can run an offense.
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by cap'n hack on Jun 23, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow now in a draft that goes maybe
1 or 2 players deep you rejoice in the 5th and 6th pick? Come back down to earth. Mediocre is still mdeiocre no mater who is drafting them.
by Dungeness Crab Dribble on Jun 23, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Curry kind of reminds me of a Mike Bibby for some reason.
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by LighTz707OuT on Jun 23, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
the wolves basically have to take two guards they have no choice
they just traded foye and miller and they already have two very good big men in jefferson and love. i think they take evans because they are really high on him and then take curry who they are also very high on. they now have no guards worth being more the a role player. this meens were basically getting jordan hill and that also means brandan wright is also on his way out. if not hill we take jennings cause larry riley said he wants a tall point guard and with no rubio there, flynn barely six feet and evans gone it leaves him and hill.personally i want flynn, you should not judge a player on height. he is a leader, passer first score later type of guy, a good defender, tough, and have you seen the guns on him? he is obviously really strong aswell and riley said he wants some beef but not a short player so where does flynn fit in here?
I think
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh well
Welcome to the Bay Stephen or Brandon
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions
And with the seventh pick of the 2009 NBA draft the Golden State Warriors select..
Brandon Jennings!!
Yes!!
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by LighTz707OuT on Jun 23, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
My first choice was and still is
Brandon Jennings
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, as much as I’d love to see that, I don’t think it’s going to happen. As of right now, I’m still leaning towards Jordan Hill as being the pick if all the “rumors” and “reports” and what not are true because I think Stephen Curry is going to Minnesota until we get word that one or both of their picks (fifth and sixth overall) have been dealt.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, and if a trade doesn’t go down between Minnesota and Memphis, I think it’s make it even more likely.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
This trade really does change everything — the whole landscape — and even more so if a later Minnesota pick (18th or 26th) is involved in a possible package deal for the second overall pick with Memphis.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:24 PM PDT reply actions
Maybe Memphis partakes in some minor salary dumping a la:
Marko Jaric ($14.7M over 2 years) + Greg Buckner ($8M over 2 years) + #2
for
- + #18 + Brian Cardinal ($6.75 exp) + Mark Madsen ($2.84 exp)
that’s pretty much the cap filler from the mayo/love deal headed back to the teams they came from, which is pretty funny.
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Thabeet/Rubio
really screwed Memphis by refusing workouts/bludgeoning them with comments saying they weren’t interested in playing there.
I think that’s what really hinders them from getting real value like 5 and 6 for 2.
god
now that curry is probably going to be gone…DRAFT JONNY FLYNN….not freaking hill please
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Update- 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Stephen Curry 7.Tyreke Evans 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10: Jordan Hill
If Minny Trades with Memphis- 1. Blake 2. Rubio 3. Hasheem Thabeet 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Jordan Hill 7. Stephen Curry 8. Brandon Jennings
9. DeMar DeRozen 10. Tyreke Evans
That’s a great song.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes it is
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s my favorite Eminem song.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Most creative by far
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
thank you
Warriors don’t need another PF. We already have Randolph (who will be starting), Wright (playing as the backup), and yes.. Rob Kurz. And don’t forget about Jamareo.
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by LighTz707OuT on Jun 23, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
nothing wrong with stockpiling assets. if he’s the bpa, you take him.
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by cap'n hack on Jun 23, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I select based on what the team needs rather then best available.
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Me too
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
which is how we got POB.
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by cap'n hack on Jun 23, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
After Rudy Gay, I hoped we would've drafted Ronnie Brewer...
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Forget about Jermareo and Kurz. Not any guarantee that they’ll be back. They’re not under contract and that sort of CBA talent tends to be available any time you want it. You do not in any way, shape or form let the presence of Kurz or Davidson influence your draft plans. Odds of anyone they draft being better than these guys is not too shabby. (Odds of the team totally stinking if they are relying on Kurz or Davidson? Pretty good.)
idk bout Flynn
him and Monta, too small
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions
monta and any point guard who can actually play in this draft would be too small.
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-1
Tyreke is the best compliment for Monta, hands down. Sadly, he’ll be long gone. Wouldn’t be surprised if OKC shocked everyone and took him at #3. Although I think Harden is most likely (assuming Thabeet is gone; if the big fella is there, I think OKC takes him).
what does evans legitimately do well besides “be tall”? he’s a pretty good rebounder and that’s it. other than that, he was medicore across the board, except for his shooting, which was just awful.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
True, his outside shooting isn’t so hot. But Monta can cover that. The bottom line is that we need a big shooting guard if Monta plays the point; otherwise, we’ll get backed down or shot over. We already know Monta is a sieve on D. We need someone who can body up.
Also, it’s about flexibility. Monta has not proven he can play point. Tyreke has as good a chance as being a point as Monta, and gives us a big body too. I just think it’s worth the gamble…
You know, does anyone have a hard time believing that Minnesota would trade an expiring contract (Mike Miller) and their second-best player (Randy Foye) just for Stephen Curry and Tyreke Evans? I don’t know. I think you have to assume that they really want Ricky Rubio in the end.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
kevin love is better than randy foye and randy foye is a first guard off the bench kind of guy on a good team. let’s not start talking crazy about foye being any sort of really talented player.
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I think Randy Foye is pretty good, actually.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
i’d say a 6th/7th man on a contender is almost the definition of a “pretty good player”. i don’t see him starting on a team with real title hopes, do you?
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Not immediately, no, but down the road, I think he could.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Foye is not their second best player. Miller is.
Foye is third. Miller just packed it end when he got shipped to the Great White North. True, he’s just cresting in his career, but that dude is legit. He rebounds, he passes, he’s a dead-eye. Totally unselfish and savvy. He was a steal. AND he expires.
LOL at
T-Wolves fans thinking that #5 + Pecherov is good enough to move up to snag Rubio.
they still have a fair shot as the Kings are scared of taking him.
Now, reports indicate that Sacramento general manager Geoff Petrie could be leaning towards Memphis guard Tyreke Evans and Syracuse guard Jonny Flynn.
Id be shocked if they take Evans or Flynn over Rubio because Rubio is almost set for this team that are filled with shooters but no playmakers
ZERO CHANCE Rubio goes to Minny.
I repeat, ZERO CHANCE. Have you been to Barcelona? Have you been to Minny? For a dude who is already picky, ZERO CHANCE.
He could be persuaded, I suppose. He may really look forward to playing with guys like Love and Jefferson.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
i just got back from minnesota actually couple days ago
trust me if rubio does not want to be in memphis or oklahoma city he will not want to be in minnesota. no offense to them but that is just how he thinks
by gsw.raiders on Jun 23, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
All this talk about tradeable assets/contracts and dumping contracts
and I’ve realized that we could’ve had a
$10M expiring Harrington deal (albeit not until he exercises his player option right or after July 1)
and a $7.625M expiring Jackson deal.
I think our contracts would’ve been more tradeable and valuable than a $7M Etan Thomas or Bowen/Oberto deal.
Oberto's deal was also partially guaranteed. Which is why detroit traded for him.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Harden, Curry, or Evans a warrior in 09 it depends.
1.Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Flynn 5. Harden 6. Tyreke 7. Curry 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10. Jordan Hill (that is how the top 10 will play out) OR 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Tyreke 5. Harden 6. Curry 7. Jennings 8. Flynn
9. DeRozen 10. Jordan Hill
If it does come down to those three, i’d choose Evans.
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Me too
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll chose Harden.=)
Update- 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Tyreke Evans 7. Stephen Curry 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10: Jordan Hill
If Minny Trades with Memphis 1. Blake 2. Rubio 3. Hasheem Thabeet 4. Jonny Flynn 5. Jordan Hill 6. Tyreke Evans 7. Stephen Curry
I would love if it was Harden, and it would be ridiculous cause no one’s mentioned the dude since we settled into the 7th pick
There’s just no way in hell that Harden slips past the Timberwolves.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea...
The only way I can see that happening is if Memphis trades down with Minny for the 2nd pick with the 5th and 18th + change. Minny selects Rubio, and Memphis takes Thabeet or Hill. Then, minny takes Stephen Curry with the 6th (Or Thabeet if Memphis decides on Hill). Then Voila! Harden to the Warriors.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
I doubt the Timberwolves would take Curry over Harden if they already have their point guard with Rubio, though.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
He's mediocre.
I repeat, mediocre. Absolute best case, Michael Redd. 90% chance he’s mediocre.
James Harden isn’t like Michael Redd, though.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s fair to compare them with each other like that since they’re not the same player.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 24, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
If I was a Wizards fan, I would be crushed
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 6:17 PM PDT reply actions
Not sure what id exactly be crushed about.
Getting Foye and Miller while losing players that will never be in the rotation isnt bad at all considering Saunders is more of a veteran guy. A line with:
PG: Arenas – James – Crittinton
SG: Foye – Stevenson -Young
SF: Butler – Miller – McGurie
PF: Twan – Blatche
C: Hayward – McGee -
aint bad at all athought they could use a another PF/C just for some assurance, but other than that, i wouldnt be disappointed one bit with the move.
+1
they said all along that they didn’t particularly like the draft and would like to get some veteran help. Considering they get Gil back, add another nice young backcourt option to put with Arenas, and add some very good depth on the wing while still having some pretty good depth on the frontline I don’t think its a bad deal at all. They aren’t huge contenders right now, but they look like a pretty solid lock for one of the 5 playoff spots behind the elite 3 teams out in the East.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 23, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Kings are taken Flynn
because He has Leadership, swagger, heart to lead the Kings and Geoff Petrie Likes shooters who can create.
Update- 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Tyreke Evans 7. Stephen Curry 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10: Jordan Hill
If Minny Trades with Memphis 1. Blake 2. Rubio 3. Hasheem Thabeet 4. Jonny Flynn 5. Jordan Hill 6. Tyreke Evans 7. Stephen Curry
Smokescreen.
Flynn won’t go in the top 10. Short is the new slow.
So what is tall?
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
No, he said Flynn isn't tall
but what is the height requirement to being tall. Most of the PGs are 6’3 or shorter, so what is tall?
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
If Monta starts for the W’s, the other starting guard (whether hes a shooting guard or a PG) has to be AT LEAST 6’3".
Short Must Not Be The New Slow
Because Branodn Jennings & Flynn will go in the top 10 and Lawson Mills Will Be Going As Well…
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by The Dedication on Jun 24, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope they do take Flynn
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions
HARDENNNNNNNNNNNNNN
HArden is hands down the BPA. HARDENNNNNNNNN
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or Tyreke Evans. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Conductor of the We're Back Warrior Movement!
I don’t see how Harden slips past the Timberwolves if the Timberwolves hang onto the fifth and sixth overall picks; however, if they do have those picks, I doubt Harden gets past the Thunder assuming the Grizzlies take Thabeet. Then, we’re looking at Rubio going fourth, Curry going fifth and Evans going sixth. We’ll be greeting Jordan Hill at number seven.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
We are either getiing Harden Evans or Curry
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s a chance that all three of them will be gone.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
a pretty good chance if you ask me (assuming the wolves don’t trade out of their current situation).
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There’s a good chance that they’re all going in order with Harden going third, Rubio fourth, Evans fifth and Curry sixth.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Minnesota's going to trade up.
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If that happens
we get Jennings
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we’re taking Hill instead of Jennings.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Best case for Jennings is NYC.
If not them, who knows how far he falls…I’d guess the Suns.
I think he does end up in New York.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
if i were brandon jennings and his agent, i would jump for joy if he got drafted by the knicks. being coached by a point guard’s best friend is probably the ideal situation for most point guards in this draft and a good way to make a lot of money on a second contract.
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I think for the Knicks, it’s down to either Brandon Jennings or Jrue Holiday unless they somehow dealt their way to the second overall pick in a package that could involve David Lee to solve the Grizzlies’ problem at power forward.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Blake
2. Hasheem
3.Rubio
4. Jonny Flynn
5. James Harden
6. Stephen Curry (because i don’t think harden and tyreke fit)
7. Tyreke Evans
8. Brandon Jennings
9: DeMar DeRozen
10: Jordan Hill
Update- 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Tyreke Evans 7. Stephen Curry 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10: Jordan Hill
If Minny Trades with Memphis 1. Blake 2. Rubio 3. Hasheem Thabeet 4. Jonny Flynn 5. Jordan Hill 6. Tyreke Evans 7. Stephen Curry
I could actually see that happening, but I still think that the Kings are going with Evans instead of Flynn and I think the Thunder are actually committed to Westbrook, so I think they’re going with Harden.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Harden + Curry
Would be an absolute haul for Minny. Those are probably my two favorite guys in the draft after Griffin and Rubio. They could be pretty awesome backcourt tandem, and sooner than later.
Anyone listen to Simmons’ most recent BS session with Chad Ford? Both of them seem to agree that Stephen Curry is one of three or four guys in the draft who doesn’t suck. (Not surprisingly, they also both have major hard-ons for Rubio).
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 23, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
What if they traded up with 5, 18, and 28 and got Rubio PLUS one of Curry or Harden? I think that would be quite a haul.
Thing A
Agreed. Either way, I think Minny spread out it's options well.
They’ll have a very good chance of getting a very good player with their amount of picks.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Oh, yeah? What if the Timberwolves did get the second overall pick in exchange for the fifth overall pick and the 18th overall pick? Then, they could take Rubio second, the Thunder could go with Thabeet, the Kings could go with the Evans, the Grizzlies could go with Hill and then the Timberwolves could go with Harden. The Bobcats, at 12, are a trade-down candidate. The Timberwolves have the 18th and 28th overall picks. After that trade, the Timberwolves could get their small forward in possibly something like Earl Clark.
The Warriors would then have Stephen Curry fall to them at number seven.
I think too much, maybe?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
That was the scenario I had in mind
Except for the last part about the Bobcats thingy…. But the Wolves won’t have the 18 if they trade to get Rubio
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I thought so much, I forgot about a very important detail. They could miraculously get Curry and Harden (without trading any picks) and then trade the 18th and 28th overall picks to get the 12th overall pick from the Bobcats.
The Grizzlies could take Thabeet, the Thunder could take Rubio, the Kings could take Evans and then the Timberwolves would have Curry and Harden right there.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Which group would you rather have
Rubio & Harden or Curry & Harden…. Either way they come out better than they started….. Even though I’m not sure how happy they’ll be starting two rookie guards
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the future looks pretty dang bright in Minnesota.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I've seen B Jennings as low as 15and J Hill as high as 5
So this draft is really a crap shoot.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
But don’t get Westbrook started on sliding to the 2 so Oklahoma City can tap Spanish star Ricky Rubio. Says he: “You trippin’.”
by homer simpson on Jun 23, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
ok we’ll see. =)
Update- 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Stephen Curry 7.Tyreke Evans 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10: Jordan Hill
If Minny Trades with Memphis- 1. Blake 2. Rubio 3. Hasheem Thabeet 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Jordan Hill 7. Stephen Curry 8. Brandon Jennings
9. DeMar DeRozen 10. Tyreke Evans
On your “if Minnesota trades with Memphis” mock draft, who’s picking fifth and sixth? Minnesota still has the sixth pick, no?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
ohhh my fault i thought Minnesota trade both 5th and 6th to get 2nd.
Update- 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Stephen Curry 7.Tyreke Evans 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10: Jordan Hill
If Minny Trades with Memphis- 1. Blake 2. Rubio 3. Hasheem Thabeet 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Jordan Hill 7. Stephen Curry 8. Brandon Jennings
9. DeMar DeRozen 10. Tyreke Evans
IMO we'll be picking one of these three guys.
Stephen Curry – PG, Davidson
The ultimate ‘what if’ in this year’s draft… As in, ‘what if Curry can turn in the type of performances he did at Davidson?’ And ‘what if he can be a pure point guard?’ There are many questions with Curry, but not many doubts about his ability. He’s the smoothest shooter in the draft, a skill he inherited from his ex-NBA father, Dell Curry. Oh, and did I mention that he averaged 28.6pts per game? His size is an issue, but his character isn’t. We’ve seen his stock rise from a project pick in the late teens, to an almost certain top-ten selection. Curry is doing something right. Look out for him.
Jordan Hill – PF, Arizona
This kid spells trouble for opposing defenders. He has a solid frame at the PF position and is a relentless rebounder and shot blocker with a mid-range offense that is plain scary. His silky-smooth 17-foot shot has already drawn him comparisons to the likes of Chris Bosh. Hill is a hard worker who doesn’t tire easily (averaged over 35 mins per game this season), which is good because he’ll need to bulk up his frame to be able to bang with the big boys. If Hill is drafted by a team that needs a PF, look for those heavy minutes to continue in the NBA.
Tyreke Evans – PG, Memphis
Young, aggressive and cocky – that’s Evans. Add to that a great scoring instinct, excellent shot selection and a love for the fast break and you’ve got a guy who’s ready to wow. One of the most versatile picks in this year’s draft, Evans has good size for a point guard (6’-5"), an arsenal of moves around the basket and is a solid defender. That makes him almost irresistible despite having an unorthodox shot (shoots from behind his head) and sometimes making questionable decisions Evans has garnered a lot of attention in the pre-draft work outs. He could be just the impact player teams are looking for.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
It looks as if it’ll be Hill.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't know what order its going to go in
but the first 4 picks will be: harden, griffin, rubio, and thabeet
and the next 3 after that will be: hill, curry, and evans
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Yea...
Then it could be between Flynn, Evans, Curry and Holiday or trade down.
I wonder if Minnesota would consider trading the 5th and 28th to the Kings to ensure they get their Guard. I wonder if the Kings would do it…
KP, Presti and now Kahn are doing what I’ve wanted the Warriors to be doing for the last 4 years.
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an ideal situation to not land hill
would be for the wolves to trade their #5 and #18 picks to memphis for the #2.
memphis would pick hill at #5
and the wolves would decide our fate with their pick at #6 (either curry or evans)
leaving us to pick whoever the twolves didnt pick (curry or evans)
id be happy with either of the two to be honest.
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the problem with evans is that he doesn’t really have a good skillset to either play the point or the two. he’s either a subpar distributor for a point or an atrocious shooter for a two. he rebounds fairly well, is a decent defender, a decent athlete, a decent passer, and a terrible shooter. i just don’t see what all the hype is about. the best things that people have to say about him is that he’s tall enough to play next to monta, but i don’t care if he’s a 7’ “point guard” if he can’t play the position all that well.
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They Have OJ & Gay
Why would they draft Evans? They have a much bigger need @ 4 with Hill
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus, Evans will be gone.
If Rubio is off the board, Sac takes Tyreke.
Why would we want Evans if he was to fall?
Honestly, I’d rather a much more well rounded player in Williams than Evans
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Should have read...
We need a GOOD one of thoses.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
why do we assume everyone else is gonna draft for need when we generally agree thats not the best strategy?
Thing A
B/C
that probably is going to happen… More teams will be drafting need, not BPA. If Thabeet goes 2, than they would be doing it for need. Harden to OK, need. Can we say that most people would think Rubio is the BPA of the three? If Sac doesn’t pick Rubio like they are saying now and draft Flynn or Evans would that make them (Flynn or Evans) the BPA at that time? Wouldn’t the teams be drafting for fit or need instead of BPA
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think Harden to Oklahoma City is a need. They need a big man, really, allowing Durant and Green to play on the perimeter.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Playing Durant at the 2 was a disaster for them. He was a moderate scorer, abysmal playmaker, and a total disaster on defense. When they moved him back to forward, he became a very good, efficient scoring option and a total disaster on defense, but not any more so against the “stronger” players they feared he’d have problems with than he was on the perimeter. If anything they need to draft a strength and conditioning coach.
I think it would be a disaster for Jeff Green to play be playing power forward if they want to win.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 24, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I Think Evans would duplicate OJ playing off the ball with Conley.
Unless they have him ranked above Hill.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Does that make sense?
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
My only question is whether the Wizards used lube when they agreed to this trade. To do otherwise would be most impolite, but I wouldn’t put it past the Wolves to make such a deal without first inquiring about the availability of lubrication.
Thing C
not so sure
If Minny comes out of this with Rubio and Curry or Rubio and Harden (and both seem like fairly realistic possibilities) its really tough to dislike the move. It think Rubio, Harden, Love, Jefferson is a better base to build from than what they left last season with.
Thing A
Evans, Curry, Harden > Foye.
Not going to take the time to look at stats, but that’s how I feel.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
Why does everyone say stuff like “they end up with curry and harden, this was a good trade” when they only acquired one of those guys in this trade? They could have taken curry or harden regardless of this deal.
They give up a good player in Foye and the biggest expiring contract in the deal in Mike Miller (who’s also a pretty good player, last season notwithstanding). If they can deal 5+18 for 2, they probably could have deal 6+18 for 2 as well.
I guess I think the 5th pick isn’t worth what they gave up. They probably could have used that large expiring contract (attached to a productive player, a rarity) along with Foye or whatever to acquire a much better asset than the fifth pick in a weak draft.
Thing C
They couldn’t have taken either Curry or Harden regardless. The Wizards were looking at Curry and Harden is a pretty good candidate to go third.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
the main issue is that the wolves don’t consider foye or miller a part of their long term future. foye is a 6th or 7th man; a guard who can play either position, but doesn’t really excel at either. something of a stop-gap if you have a hole at one of the two positions. not a really useful player when your team has holes at the 1,2, and 3.
mike miller’s expiring contract was a nice piece, but don’t forget that they also added 3 backup bigs to play behind jefferson and love and they had absolutely no frontcourt depth before. this removes any need to go shopping for bigs to play behind their frontcourt of the future. the guys they got aren’t good players, but they’re an improvement over shelden williams and jason collins.
it might be a problem if they fail to land any shooters, as this deal completely removes any 3 point threats from the roster, but miller wasn’t shooting often and foye doesn’t have that much range. and they can always go get another shooter in free agency. they have tons of cap space.
you also seem to be ignoring what rated r superstar just pointed out, that curry and harden might have been gone by the 6.
and let’s not forget what flexibility having two top 6 picks and two non-lottery firsts can give them. they can trade the 5 and the 18 to memphis for rubio (plus possible filler on either end) and still have a top 6 pick to work with. that’s a very nice deal for them.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Plus let's not ignore that the Minnesota team sucked last year.
They would go nowhere with Foye + Miller + draft pick regardless. At least getting two draft picks in the lottery makes it less likely you’ll bust out in this crapshoot.
Oh, what’s the word for what the Timberwolves are doing?….Ah yes it’s called Re-Building.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 23, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, I think I was a bit hasty about this trade. For some reason I thought Thomas had an extra year on his deal, and even though I looked it up I still had this feeling like it was a terrible trade. I suppose if you say that Thomas’ and Miller’s contracts basically cancel each other out, you end up with Foye for 5, which isn’t bad, I guess. Planning for the future and all that.
Thing C
Sick of thinking of the draft why can’t it be Thursday?
Update- 1. Blake 2. Hasheem 3. Rubio 4. Jonny Flynn 5. James Harden 6. Stephen Curry 7.Tyreke Evans 8. Brandon Jennings 9. DeMar DeRozen 10: Jordan Hill
Monta/ Jamal Crawford/ Rocky/Quiet Storm
Tyreke/AMMo
Stephen/MAGGS/Azu
AR/Wright
Goose/Ronny
Sacramento
Please take Jonny Flynn, Kings, for the love of god, let Curry or Evans fall to us.
After reading all of this...
I’m struck by the fact that, while most of the posters here believe that in the lottery it’s best to take the best player available, we almost exclusively guess who the other teams are going to pick based on team needs.
Does that strike anyone else as strange?
Thing 2
Don't most of them seem reasonable? At least the Top 5-7
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
here’s my explanation. while many of us want the warriors to take the bpa, regardless of need, it’s not generally the case that teams exclusively draft that way. guessing what someone else will do and explaining what we want to do are completely different.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
I meant Top 5 or 6
not the Warriors…. No one knows who the hell they are gonna draft….. But the names at the top aren’t going to slip….. Which one of the players are going to slip down to some Aaron Rogers level?
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like its clearly the big man Jordan Hill
With him and Rony we are going for the all dreads team.
by Dungeness Crab Dribble on Jun 23, 2009 9:25 PM PDT reply actions
Ronny has braids doeesn't he?
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
kind of
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by i love sports101 on Jun 23, 2009 9:51 PM PDT reply actions
Lol, No
I had both. Dreads, you don’t worry about after they grow out. Braids you have to redo or they end up lookin like crap (Ronny Braids Compared To A.I. Braids)
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
This is AWFUL...
its almost garenteed they will pick curry and evans for there backcourt of future. I dont see why they’d take hill considering they have love and jefferon.
The only other option is, they r high on DeRozan
I’d definitely rather have DeRozan than Evans if I was Minnesota.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 23, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
DeRozan is better by far
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by The Dedication on Jun 23, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions