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Exploring the rumored Crawford for Claxton and Law Trade: CBA and salary implications

I have no idea how reliable the sources are, but ESPN seems to be discussing the proposed "Crawford for Law and Claxton like it has real legs. (Perhaps the legs stolen from Speedy, hence his state of perpetual inability to play). The NBA's own website is similarly posting it as a not yet done deal, but one that's in the works.  But as "it's more than a rumor goes", we are all still rather in the dark as to what, when, and, perhaps, why.

 

Big questions abound. Important questions. It isn't quite "what did the president know and when did he know it", but at least as far as our Warriors go, it's "what do we know about the trade and could it possibly be real?"

 

 

Star-divide

As of posting time, it does not appear that anything has happened. Nothing can happen unless Crawford waives his player-opt-out and agrees to honor the last two years of his contract as originally signed. If this does not happen, then the deal is dead for now. For trade purposes, Jamal is a free agent until he signs away his option or the deadline exercise it passes.

 

Technically, Crawford has an "early termination option" (ETO) where he can invalidate the remaining two years of his contract. Jamal has until the 1st of July to exercise his option to opt out. If he does not, he's eligible traded. There's a minimal difference from a "player option year" in that it takes Crawford's people notifying the league if he wants out, while an option year would be something he'd have to say he wants in on. (You'd think this wouldn't happen, but it's amazing how incompetent some "professional" agents can be about this sort of thing.) Until he opts out, or until the first comes and goes and he's done nothing at all, he cannot be included in a deal, either in principle or practice. That is UNLESS* Crawford gives notice that he will not exercise this option. [*The actual CBA and Larry Coon's excellent CBA FAQ do not clearly state if signing a notice waiving the ETO allows him to be traded immediately. Some of these details appear to be covered in "NBA by-laws" separate from the CBA. However, most reports appear to support that such notice will make Crawford eligible to be traded. As the NBA's own website is reporting that Etan Thomas has been traded, a situation that was permissible only after he signed a similar agreement not to opt out, it would appear likely that such a situation is entirely permissible.]

 

If Crawford DOES opt out (though there are no reports yet that suggests that he will), then this trade is dead. The Warriors would not have his salary on the books, but would not be able to trade him, save for an unlikely sign-and-trade agreement after the "July Moratorium" ends on the 8th of July.

 

Presuming the deal does go through in the most basic Claxton and Law for Crawford, the Warriors would receive two potential expiring deals. Claxton is unlikely to ever play again. Some reports suggest that the Warriors would waive him, though I suspect that this would not happen immediately, as once waived, his expiring deal is no longer a piece we'd have to work with. His actual salary of $5,209,454 counts against the tax and the cap, waived or otherwise, though it appears that an insurance policy is covering the bulk of it while he remains injured and unable to play. The only reason to waive him would be to make room for additional players on the roster. Of course, this assumes that Warriors management are rational actors, an assumption that I do not feel safe making myself. Your mileage may vary.

 

Acie Law similarly could be an expiring deal if the Warriors (or whomever he winds up with) do not exercise their 4th year option on his rookie scale deal. He's due $2,216,160 for the upcoming season and the Warriors would have until October to decide if they wanted to exercise the option for the 2010-11 season or allow him to be a free agent, Marcus Williams-style at year's end. Acie hasn't provided terribly much on the court in his two seasons, and may be worth more as an expiring contract than the $2.9 million gamble that he'll be better than terrible would require.

 

Still assuming that this deal goes down, Law and Claxton can be traded on their own immediately, so long as the deal is permissible under the CBA (e.g. another team has cap space or provides appropriate "matching" salaries of no more than 125% +$100 of their respective deals back to us). So long as we do not send out another player, they can be swapped with or without picks for any combination of picks and players coming back our way provided the numbers work.  Picks themselves do not count for salary matching in trades until the player is actually signed (though they do count against the cap immediately upon being drafted.)

 

One has to think that they're not particularly valuable as individual components though, but as part of a package, they may make salaries match or provide expiring deals that would make some other bigger trade including other players more attractive. For this though, they'd have to wait two months following the official completion of the deal. Hence, it's unlikely that, should this trade be completed before draft time, that there would be more *official* dealings with either player before the draft.  We're likely going to have to wait and see.

 

Before anyone gets terribly excited about the insurance policy on Claxton's contract, this has absolutely no effect on how his salary counts towards the salary cap. While it matters to the bottom line of the Hawks or Warriors (or whichever team he winds up playing for when all is said and done), his full salary based on the contract he signed counts against the cap and lux tax for whatever team winds up owning his contract. That AIG or some other recently or soon-to-be bailed out financial giant is footing the bill does not change this in the slightest. Sure, Cohan would have a bit more money in his pocket, but it isn't money that can be applied for a free agent or extra space below the luxury tax to spend elsewhere. <start sarcasm> I have ever bit of confidence that he'd repay the fans and use the roughly $4mil to help keep the price of beer and nachos at the Oracle down. <end sarcasm>

 

 

Also see: BREAKING NEWS: Warriors and Hawks closing in on Jamal Crawford for Acie Law and Speedy Claxton swap

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WE DEMAND IMPROVEMENT!

by RunNdGun on Jun 24, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Your rep is on the line!

Your word has been as good as fact thus far . . .

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 24, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi BS&D

Tonight could be interesting…I forgot to mention you too.

Enjoy tonight!

by streetballer on Jun 25, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t doubt it. Thanks for stopping by and dropping insider nuggets here and there!

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 25, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?!?!?!?!?!

I’m gettin a little confused

We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Jun 24, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does this.......

change the price of beer?

by nuttinbutnet on Jun 24, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

claxton not certainly out

I’ve heard that claxton might pull a Darius Miles and be healed and ready to play next season.

by bleep on Jun 24, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

by smoking hella weed?

Sorry sorry, uncalled for. Haha

We still believe!!

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by R Dizzle on Jun 24, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It is a different situation than Miles. If Claxton can play, then the insurance company doesn’t have to foot the bill, but it doesn’t change the cap situation for the Warriors or Hawks or any team he’s on. Miles was a different situation since the Blazers had received a partial reduction in Miles’s salary cap burden through an injured player retirement exception (though he still got paid his full salary). When he was no longer “retired due to injury” the “relief” went back on the books.

by jae on Jun 24, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by Lat We N Trash on Jun 24, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Formally known as PFortyy.

http://www.youtube.com/user/XeroEnt

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by Xero on Jun 24, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Look at the Sig

GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens

by The Dedication on Jun 24, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're Right

Only Mathamaticks!

We still believe!!

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by R Dizzle on Jun 24, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh right my bad

As DCD taught me the other idea it’s “YOUR RIGHT!!!” haha

We still believe!!

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by R Dizzle on Jun 24, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah i was about to post that.

good job.

and sorry, but whoever gave me a warning about having to type with proper capitalization and punctuation..yeah that isn’t part of the community guidelines that i must abide by when posting on GSoM so i don’t know what your problem is.

by jchao204 on Jun 24, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah that isn’t part of the community guidelines

It will be in version 2.0 which we’ll assemble post draft mayhem.

The signal to noise ratio in the comments on GSoM needs to improve. It’s not about quantity, it’s about quality. This ain’t Twitter or a bad message board- we don’t need garbage 140 characters or less of poorly written and poorly thought out comments. (Game thread’s are of course a good spot for Twitter-like blasts.)

Just like the FanPosts- the ones that stay up are pretty high quality. I’d venture to say they’re some of the best across the network.

The comments on this site will get back to where they used to be in the golden age of GSoM soon enough with a little purging. There is still plenty of high quality comments, but overall not as excellent as I know they can be. This is overall a very intelligent and diverse community and I don’t want those voices drowned out with gibberish from people who like to hear themselves talk, but not read/ listen to what other people are saying.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 24, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sweet!

Good news, good news.

I don’t think anyone wants to be a Grammar Nazi around here, but the readability of some great threads can really suffer from long stretches of hard-to-read one liners that don’t really add anything of substance.

Take some time, read the entire thread, pick your spot, and then don’t comment unless you have something real to add. If you just want to add your opinion but don’t have much else to say, use the “rec” action.

Just my opinions, but I know that the sites I enjoy most preserve a great place for discussion through standards like these.

by wtfdaemon on Jun 24, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

One humble request

Can the new improved board automatically delete posts that use the expression “no homo” — or maybe automatically replace the expression with the phrase “I am deeply insecure about my own sexuality”?

(In the Red Sox chatroom, the mods got so tired of the various misspellings of “Teixeira” that they wrote a code that now replaces them all with “Yankees 1Bman whose name I can’t spell.”)

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 24, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's hilarious

no homo

Thing A

"no homo"

by sam23 on Jun 24, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well played

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 24, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I thought I was the only one who felt wary of those silly “no homo” comments.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 24, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely not...

drives me nuts.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 24, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You always drag your nuts into this discussion . . .

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 25, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It will be in version 2.0

If you are going to enforce the arbitrary nonsense that it English grammar and spelling then expect me to get banned pretty quickly or just leave outright (not that you’d care).

Why do we even follow those lame rules anyways? As long as you can understand the ideas that the poster is conveying, written communication has done its job.

Those who nitpick at spelling and grammar are often overcompensating for shortcomings in other intellectual modalities.

Correcting others’ spelling and grammar is “low-hanging fruit” for the anal-retentive but does not contribute, but rather detracts from, a reasonable and productive discussion.

The comments on this site will get back to where they used to be in the golden age of GSoM soon enough with a little purging.

When? When there were five of us posting?

Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 24, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked Low Hanging Fruit for the Anal Retentive way better than Chicken Soup for the Soul.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 24, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The illustrations are way better.

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 24, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got the scratch-n-sniff version.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 24, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They used the same materials for “Raisin In The Sun”.

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 24, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I'm saying, it should be okay as long as it makes sense.

I’m not trying to get a warning everytime I don’t capatlize a name or miss a punctuation

by 123707THIZZ on Jun 24, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not solely about nitpicking grammar, punctuation, etc although it’s a fairly good indicator of commenters who post nothing of substance and worsen the signal : noise ratio. There’s some very high quality posters on this site who write in all lower case and that’s fine. Obviously they aren’t going to get warnings/ banned.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 24, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: it’s a fairly good indicator

What do you need indicators for? People either have a point or they don’t. Why not just attack the actual problem rather than focusing on some unsubstantiated correlation?

Spelling and grammar are not the problems here. Baseless claims, lazy thinking and, for some reason, homophobia seem to be your main issues. Who cares if I misspell “noe homeo”?

Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 24, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

err

whom cares . . .

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 24, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those are good points. What do you think the warnings should say? And what is the actual reason for the bans- other than the mean “your comment quality sucks”?

by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 24, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe it could be something along the lines of the sb nation mascot(? who is that guy in the hat?) with a little text box that says “think it through next time, champ.”

i don’t know, i do like the idea of cutting down on the thoughtless posts, but i guess i struggle to see how exactly you’ll implement it without it seeming very arbitrary. maybe set up a few really basic ground rules like “make a point” or “be coherent” and start with warnings before moving to bans (i think that one’s pretty obvious). if it’s going to be based on comment quality, you’d probably need to give a specific reason about why the comment was poor. like “just typing ‘JRUE HOLIDAY!’ doesn’t communicate anything other than your love of caps lock. explain next time.” that’s all i can really think of, but it’s a good project and hope we can up the quality of posts even if it means sacrificing some quantity.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 24, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

New sig line

"think it through next time, champ."

Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 25, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The first thing you need to do is to write a front page post to let the community know that you’re looking to warn/ban weak, pointless, dumb comments. The community deserves a heads up on these new rules that did not exist before. Suddenly getting blindsided with a warning or a ban without being told about the new rules only breeds an atmosphere of resentment, paranoia, and discontent towards the GSoM mods, particularly from those who are regular posters who feel they haven’t been doing anything wrong up to now.

Secondly, you need to give examples and draw a clear line as to what types of comments you would consider as “noise” that would deserve a warning or a ban. Are you looking for comments that are longer than 1 or 2 words? What about when someone posts a “lol” or a “+1” when they find a comment funny or agrees with a comment?

Thirdly, as far as capitalization goes, I can see it being important when writing fanposts. After all, I’d want fanpost topics to look professionally written. But I don’t think it’s all that important for comments. I think the content of the comment is more important. Of course, blatantly idiotic capitalization would be annoying, SuCh aS ThIs PhRaSe, or ALL CAPS THAT LOOK LIKE SHOUTING, but I haven’t seen any of that here. As for punctuation, I would think that a decent amount of punctuation to make sentences clear is enough. As for grammar, only the most blatantly wrong grammar should get the ban, such as “I be a Warrior fan. Where the love???”. But even still, you would have to take into account that for some people, English may not be their strongest language, so proper grammar may be hard for them.

Finally, keep in mind that the “noise level” of the comments will inevitably get worse the more popular you are and the more people you draw. This is especially true since the conversion of this site to SBNation last year and will probably continue to be true now that GSoM is linked directly from Yahoo Sports. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try to dump the weak comments, but don’t expect to return to the “Golden Age”.

by IQofaWarrior on Jun 25, 2009 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thoughts, but you do realize GSoM has been a part of SBNation since day 1? Post/ during We Believe the GSoM daily traffic was actually higher.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, nope, i did not know that

I thought the conversion last year to this new live commenting format was GSoM joining SBNation. Before that, I thought this was a standalone site.

by IQofaWarrior on Jun 25, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no need to ban someone unless they are obviously just here to start crap

Plus banning doesn’t really work. How many times did you ban coma, unconscious, xcoma, etc . . .?

What do you think the warnings should say?

It would depend on the “infraction” but no need for overkill. Your problems, IMO, are personal attacks, nonsensical discussions and spammish fanposts. The problem is not misspelled words and dangling participles. Plus, we

Here’s what I would write for your rules:

1. Honestly, just insist that people engage in an exchange of ideas instead of baseless assertions and insults. In other words, “that’s hella dumb lol” versus “I disagree because x, y and z”. Insist people attack the quality of the ideas instead of the poster.

2. Just delete the crappy Fanposts based on your judgment (see #3).Possibly a waiting period of a week or two for throwing a Fanpost up. Limit new users to Fanshots comments. If you haven’t been here two weeks, your Fanpost gets deleted.

3. Make it clear that this is not a democracy. This is your (all of the mods) site and things like “free speech” and “equal treatment” are entirely based on your interpretation and judgment and any grievances need to be aired via e-mail or they will be deleted.

4. A bonus one: Insist on proper attribution when quoting another source. Put it in blockquotes and always provide a link.

I can’t think of a single poster who’s ever been banned that didn’t display overtly hostile behavior or generate multiple spammy Fanposts. So those rules seem to cover you.

Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 25, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

can i make a request to be grandfathered in as a lower case poster? it is a conscious choice for me and i’d like to stick with it. and at least i don’t do it when i’m writing a fanpost…

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Jun 24, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I, for one, respect your right to choose. Sam may not . . .

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 25, 2009 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When? When there were five of us posting?

The fate of this community was sealed when OZ was given the boot. He was really mean :*-( but he raised the level of discourse and threw it down on the morons. this used to be like hanging out in san francisco and talking warriors, but now it’s more like hanging out in oakland and talking warriors. i get my news here either way!

On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.

by GameSix on Jun 25, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another myth: Banning OZ ruined GSoM.

Truth:

OZ was the best stat guy we’ve ever had. But what got him run was his rediculous obsession with the notion that GSoM was "selling out’ because they were trying to make a little money. Why he decided to look at basketball completely objectively and then turn around and impose his own subjective morality on the people who run the site shows that he wasn’t mature enough to have the power he did. I miss the guy’s brain a lot but not his freak-outs and unneccsary abusiveness. The truth is he should have been a front page writer and not a mod.

Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 25, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ridiculous not rediculous

not sure what point you’re trying to making there, but OZ raised the level of discourse and threw the hammer down on idiots. that’s a fact, not a myth. the problem was that he drove away $$$$ traffic $$$$ clicks $$$$ hits. The guys made a business decision and I respect it. Just sayin the level of discourse in the community was a notch higher when he war around. Your hurt feelings aside, that’s not debatable.

On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.

by GameSix on Jun 25, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It had nothing to do with a business decision or as you put it “drove away $$$$ traffic $$$$ clicks $$$$ hits”. Please don’t talk about something you know nothing about. I’ll leave it at that.

The best stat guy this community ever had is a front page writer. His name is JAE.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. i calls em like i sees em. banning someone is always a business decision, is it not? perhaps i missed where he resigned or something…if thats the case, apologies all around.

2. i didn’t make the best stat guy comment

On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.

by GameSix on Jun 25, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i calls em like i sees em. banning someone is always a business decision, is it not? perhaps i missed where he resigned or something…if thats the case, apologies all around.

Again you have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m not sure why you want to continue talking about something which you know very little about and speculate about our motivations. The inferences you’re making and conclusions you’re drawing are your own and not based in any real knowledge of what actually transpired.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for clearing nothing up. why even respond at all? I CALLS EM LIKE I SEES EM = i go by the information i have at hand and i am speculating. i’m such a nice guy i even offered up apologies all around. relax.

On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.

by GameSix on Jun 25, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I was pretty clear, but let me try again . .
not sure what point you’re trying to making there, but OZ raised the level of discourse and threw the hammer down on idiots.

The biggest contribution he made was calling peole out on lazy thinking and not doing 4 seconds worth of research before spending 30 seconds typing and posting a comment. The thing is, you can’t do the “TO dance on the Cowboy Star” everytime you correct someone. It’s anti-social behavior and undemined his own brilliance. Being right only gets you so far, people have to want to listen to you, otherwise you’re just talking to your self. Who want’s to listen to a guy who’s going to “drop th hammer” on you?

Your hurt feelings aside, that’s not debatable.

He was never even remotely rude to me. Not even when I jumped on him for unfairly “dropping the hammer” on some new poster. I’ve said before, the rules of engagement are useless to me. I learned from his posts. I intentionally ignored the rudeness because I like to learn from really smart people and sometimes really smart people have a hard time dealing socially. That’s hard to overcome no matter what positive qualities you bring to the table. The end was very near when, for some reason, he decided to start a very public war against the site’s founders.

Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 25, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude, come on. This started when ab1 commented that “the signal to noise ratio in the comments on GSoM needs to improve.” OZ helped in that regard. Again, not sure what point you’re trying to make..?

On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.

by GameSix on Jun 26, 2009 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: ridiculous not rediculous

My pre-response to your very important and astute observation is above, but I’ll save you the scrolling:

Those who nitpick at spelling and grammar are often overcompensating for shortcomings in other intellectual modalities.

Correcting others’ spelling and grammar is "low-hanging fruit" for the anal-retentive but does not contribute, but rather detracts from, a reasonable and productive discussion.

Way to “drop the hammer” on me!

Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 25, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said it in passing. People correct me all the time, I correct my parents all the time (english is not their native tongue), and they don’t cry and call it “dropping the hammer.” Get over yourself. I said it in passing and it was not even the point of the response. It’s hoity-toity pansies like you who helped run OZ out of town. Well done.

On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.

by GameSix on Jun 26, 2009 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, if there ever was a “pansy” move, it’s then correcting someone’s spelling in the middle of a discussion. That’s the epitome of weak. What is your objective with doing that? What are you trying to accomplish?

I stayed completely out of the whole OZ vs. GSoM ordeal and the numerous related threads after his banning. You just keep making stuff. You can have your fantasy man-crush on your distorted memory of OZ. It’s kind of creepy and kind of sad that you have to make stuff up just to validate your one-sided bromance, but I respect your right to choose.

I won’t argue with your invented nonsense anymore.

Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 26, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record: you threw a hissy fit over a spelling correction said in passing. Homophobia aside, yeah I was an OZ fan so you’ve got me there.

On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.

by GameSix on Jun 26, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me calrify without the dickishness on my part.

1. My whole thing is that people seem to use some sort of distorted memory of the former mod to express their displeasure with the current regime. I think it’s a combination of intentional and unintentional selective memory being used to illustrate how badly you guys think the current staff handles a given situation. This is like the 10th time this has come up.

2. bromance and man-crush are hetero terms.

3. Correcting people’s spelling is a strange move since we are on an internet site and everyone uses a mish-mash of proper English, slang and text-message shorthand. I just think it’s kind of a dick-move because it serves no actual purpose.

Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 27, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

truce

1. Gotcha. I don’t know that my memory is particularly distroted, but OK.

2. no homo ;)

3. honestly, i never correct spelling because i dont really care. for whatever reason, rediculous versus ridiculous just kinda annoys me. wasn’t trying to single you out, as I see it everywhere…even the grammar-police-laden streets of mccovey chronicles. won’t do it again.

4. bffs?

On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.

by GameSix on Jun 29, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: bffs

Ha! You bet!

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 29, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OZ was the best stat guy we’ve ever had.

I’m crushed.

by jae on Jun 25, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I’m crushed.

You shouldn’t be. You’re the best we have and second best ever. There is a massive talent gap between you and the next guy down the list.. If you like, you guys are 1a and 1b then a massive drop-off. Like some NBA drafts..

Reduce your carbon footprint, commit suicide.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 25, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way...

I was a big fan of OZ’s writing, but the idea that he had a stronger grasp of stats than you is silly. I actually thought his strengths were in other areas.

Thing 2

by olympicmike on Jun 25, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he leveaged stats into really strong arguments the best.

Once again, jae is the man when i comes to stats here and there is noody even close.

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 25, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oz was great,

unless you disagreed with him. There was never a situation where he said, “Hey your point of view differs from mine, but you do make a few good solid points.” The Warriors decade plus long futility sometimes gets me irrational, while other would let it slide, not our man OZ….

jae you still got the title of ‘best gsom stat guy’

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jun 25, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember the past & don't repeat it

AB1, the more restrictive your rules the more you have to enforce them – and inconsistency in that regard didn’t go over well in the past … I agree with most of your opinions on this topic, and am annoyed by many of the same kinds of comments. That said, my comments annoy some people, so do yours & as such no one person’s style or taste should dictate what’s deemed acceptable or we risk ruining the strongest aspect of this community: the diversity of opinions. We are able to sort through the noise as it is … Additionally, implementing more restrictive rules from the mods not only will be difficult and inherently inconsistent but could stifle what makes this site better than most others: the community is already doing more than a decent job responding to the inappropriate remarks and flames for the most part, while using recs to guide newbies toward the type of posts respected here. Not sure if any other blog has a stronger cast of regulars who communally reinforce expectations than we do, but I haven’t seen one … last thought, there was no golden age on GSoM, some highs & some lows yes, but the golden age is ahead of us not behind us …

by hardcore on Jun 25, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the words. I actually don’t think improving the quality of the comments will do anything to hurt the diversity of this community one bit (which I agree is its greatest strength). It’s purely an effort to raise the intelligence level of the overall community output and not hide the great work from the some very sharp contributors. It’s honestly not fun reading spam.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

get real nerds

this is a thread not a holy religious community of precious literal debate. It’s the internet. Posting a rule will mean nothing.

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by Balance on Jun 24, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thou shalt not confuse your with you’re and “i” before “e” except after “c” and except for all of the random exceptions to this rule . . .

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 24, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Golden State Sales Rep

called me today to ask me if i was interested in purchasing ticket packages. He confirmed to me that this trade will go down, and is not a fluke.

I’m calling it official!

I KICKED IT WITH JESUS ONCE.. HE'S KIND OF A PRICK

by DMJR on Jun 24, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Meh

If he’s trying to sell you something, he’ll probably say anything to make the sale.

by IQofaWarrior on Jun 24, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

…..and the cheerleaders will dance naked next year.

by Balance on Jun 24, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

under version 2.0 will that comment be banned? (see above)

by hardcore on Jun 25, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i told he wouldnt make the sale until oneof the following players was in a uniform...

Bosh / Boozer / Amare / Rubio

or until Rowell and/or Cohan were no longer with the front office

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by DMJR on Jun 24, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you did that would be funny, even as a joke. Friend of mine has 4 fl seats and can’t get more than 1 parking pass. Really

by Balance on Jun 24, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a kinda silly question

where did our nickname “Dubs” come from.

by GSW9 on Jun 24, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Warriors >> W >> “Dubble-you” — as Thizz points out.

Strangely, my friend who writes for the NYT (and cocasionally posts here) asked me about this just today. He said he noticed Mark Stein was using “Dubs,” and wondered when it had come into such common use. He postulated that the GSoM might be responsible. I’d guess its first appearance predates GSoM (and possibly even Young RDizzle’s birth); but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the mighty GSoM had helped usher onto the national stage.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 24, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA!

Young R DIzzle? I like that sound of that! It’s like my rapper name…like Young Dro, Young Bloodz, Young Jeezy…

If my rap career ever starts up, I’ll give you a shot out old man

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by R Dizzle on Jun 24, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a newbie when it comes to playing with salaries and contracts

but is it possible that this trade was made to clear Crawford’s contract off the 2010/11 season to make room for a contract for Morrow, similar to how the JRich trade cleared room for Monta and Biedrins?

by IQofaWarrior on Jun 24, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting take

But do you think the FO (and the rest of the NBA) is really thinking THAT highly about Morrow? I mean guy is good, exceeded expectations, but is he really something you plan THAT far in advance for?

And correct me if I’m wrong (jae chime in here), but isn’t Morrow not under contract anymore? Wasn’t he on a 1 year minimum?

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by R Dizzle on Jun 24, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morrow under contract for one more year

$750K

Given that he won’t even start, and other GMs have their doubts about how he’d do outside of Nellie’s system, I don’t think that he will break the bank after this season.

by bleep on Jun 24, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Morrow’s success was highly dependent on Nellie’s system. Not saying he doesn’t have skills or the talent there, but he would not have had those type of stats for anyone else. For anyone to drop a decent contract on him, they would have to see some HUGE development this year.

The guy WAS undrafted after all…

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by R Dizzle on Jun 24, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

other GMs have their doubts about how he’d do outside of Nellie’s system

I know I’ve seen comments to that effect about several players, but I haven’t seen much in the way of dealings with players that suggests that there’s hesitance to avoid former-Nellie players because of that. Moreover, I cannot think of many (any?) players who produced for Nellie who were flops once they were playing for other coaches save perhaps big Vic, though much of that could be that he was just too fat to play at that point. Barnes seems to be about the same player he was and I remember hearing that people were scared off that he was just a product of the “system.” I remember as much about Mario Elie as well, though he seemed to do just fine elsewhere.

Nellie’s “system” (though he doesn’t really have a system) did not make Morrow hit a higher percentage of his 3s than any qualifying player in the league last year. It’s tough for that to be a part of any “system” except for the system of being able to shoot the ball accurately from long range.

by jae on Jun 24, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Having a guy hit nearly 48%

from the 3 point line is always good to have somewhere on the bench. The fact that Nellie completely overrates the 3 ball and plays him a lot more than he should doesnt take away from the fact that Morrow is a insane 3 pt shooter.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jun 25, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: GMs have their doubts about how he’d do outside of Nellie’s system

What system doesn’t need catch-and-shoot specialists who can rebound?

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 24, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1 at the same time....

Morrow is a nice 7-9th man on the bench…. If he plays more than 15 or so minutes a game, its a clear sign of lack of talent or/and ridiculuos injury problems.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jun 25, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: If he plays more than 15 or so minutes a game, its a clear sign of lack of talent or/and ridiculuos injury problems.

I think the Warriors see him as a big-time scorer in the near future. We’ll see this year how much he’s improved his handles and defense. He already learned to pump-fake and blow by the guys flying at him, he also started to make the correct play a little bit towards the end. Based on his incremental improvements in one year, especially since he didn’t play for that stretch when Crawford first arrived, I think he will continue to improve.

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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jun 26, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"But do you think the FO (and the rest of the NBA) is really thinking THAT highly about Morrow?"

Hmm, I hadn’t thought about it from that perspective. Some people don’t think very highly of Acie Law or Speedy Claxton, basketball-wise, so that got me into thinking about what reasons the Warriors would have for making this trade. So I figured the Warriors might be saving up for Morrow, or perhaps some other free agent in 2010.

by IQofaWarrior on Jun 24, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a money deal, it the trade cuts about $2mil off of this year’s salary and about $10mil for next year. It still is unlikely to get them under the cap for a 2010 free agent of note, not much more under than the MLE, but it does give more flexibility.

I suspect that both new contracts will be held for a while in case they become a valuable part of a deal for expiring contracts before the trade deadline this coming year. We’ll know more if Law’s 4th year option isn’t picked up.

by jae on Jun 24, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

Jamal was going to make about 10 million in 2010 making him the second highest paid player on the team, behind Monta. And Morrow would be a RFA in 2010, so yeah. I think the Warriors have the right intentions.

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by LighTz707OuT on Jun 24, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

one thing i dont quite get is the draft situations

in reguards to picks you could for example trade Kobe for #7 without worrying about salary matching. Or trading mutiple people with uneven salaries would be ok if a draft pick is involved.

by Warriorfan on Jun 24, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

All of the sudden, we'll have lots of point guards

Unless we outright release Claxton or Law, we’ll have two PGs on the roster even before the draft. Marcus has said this won’t solve the PG problem. If they draft Curry, that would be a 3rd. That would mean that almost certainly, CJ would not be resigned.

by bleep on Jun 24, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Highly doubtful we keep Claxton

He’s not really playing (injured, contract covered under insurance as jae points out) and there’s a chance we could trade his contract for something else or waive him. Realistically, count it as we have 1 PG right now.

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by R Dizzle on Jun 24, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

seeing as how Monta is all but guaranteed to be the starting point guard to start the season shouldn’t we maybe count him as a PG?

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 24, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reports I’m seeing still haven’t changed. The CCTimes source that RealGM sites seems to be a column that still doesn’t indicate anything final or announced. Please post any new links (preferable not in the title line where links go to die and not be links) and we can update accordingly if there’s anything beyond the still unnamed “sources”.

by jae on Jun 24, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's on NBA.com, ESPN.com, Comcasts Sports net tv show...

Doesnt exactly make it fact, but counts for something

by 123707THIZZ on Jun 24, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce Jenkins reporting it "done" too.
The Warriors traded for a point guard Wednesday, a player once considered one of the finest in the nation, but fans shouldn’t take this the wrong way. Acie Law, acquired along with guard Speedy Claxton in the deal for Jamal Crawford, is not considered the team’s point guard of the future.

This is mostly a flexibility move regarding the salary cap, a glaring issue for the Warriors with so many players locked into long-term deals. It’s all about expiring contracts (both Law and Claxton), unloading salary (Crawford’s) and creative ways to improve the roster long-term.

Coach Don Nelson and general manager Larry Riley were not in position to comment on the deal, first reported by ESPN Wednesday afternoon, as it cannot become official until July 1.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/24/SP6D18DC5Q.DTL

Nothing that isn’t plastered elsewhere, but I don’t think the Chron would allow the article to start with “The Warriors traded…” if there were any remaining doubt. Sounds like it’s just a matter of waiting till the 1st for the official announcement.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 24, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

here’s that link in a "not cut because it has an equal sign in it form:

It’s still interesting that they say it needs to wait until the first. The first is actually the beginning of the moratorium, so a deal can’t actually happen on that date. If there’s something about the ETO, it’s curious that the same sort of thing hasn’t been mentioned concerning Etan Thomas. I wonder if it’s something vis a vis Claxton’s contract.

(Or perhaps the Chron’s website is as in the dark as everyone else and is going off the same 2 recycled pieces and don’t really know that much either.)

by jae on Jun 24, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

espn insider

Anyone want to post the gist of Hollinger’s take?

by bleep on Jun 24, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Salary move for the Warriors, they save 2 mil this year, 20 mil next year. Claxton probably won’t play. Law hasn’t proved much. Nelson is right in thinking Crawford really stinks. Ideally, Craw will play the role Flip Murray played off the bench last season, but could start at point or even on the wing next to Johnson if Williams or Bibby don’t come back. Murray and Childress won’t be Hawks next year. Hawks “win” in the deal by a small margin simply because they gave up nothing to get a rotational player.

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 24, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was good to see Hollinger blast Crawford....

While Jamal is a great, classy guy, he is a terriable basketball player.

I’m in Nelson’s camp in my distaste for Crawford. Although he is one of the more talented one-on-one scorers in the league, this was probably all Golden State could get for him because of his contract and his inability to defend, pass or take quality shots

In nine seasons in the league, he has yet to play on a team that has had a winning record or made the playoffs. He has picked up terrible habits on those forlorn squads, becoming a pure gunner who needs the ball in his hands to create lots of shots at average efficiency and defending with as little effort as any player in the league.

And of course it was a nice salary dump like sammy said and like jae pointed out hopefully the warriors can make some use of Claxton’s expiring deal.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jun 25, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks. One thing that didn’t make sense: 20 mil next year? How does that work?

by bleep on Jun 24, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

typo

10 not 20 sorry

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 24, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

loving this trade

We get the opportunity to possibly add a backup PG (if they’re any good), we lose someone that hurts our team, and at the very worst, we gain two valuable expiring contracts.

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on Jun 24, 2009 8:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

plus

more playing time for Morrow and/or Marco!!

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on Jun 24, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep,

great trade, but I think Marco’s day in Oakland are numbered….
If Nelson is not going to play(this also goes for Brandan Wright) lets trade them away before teams loose intrest and Nellie proves they got no talent.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jun 25, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

next...

is claxton going to be traded for baron again?

by tenjay on Jun 24, 2009 11:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No.

The Ultimate Opportunist

by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 24, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SO eitherway....

we still cannot sign more than an MLE. However claxton especially gives us an expiring contract to work with aroudn the trade deadline which isnt the worst thing

by tafkasam on Jun 25, 2009 7:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, unless we release Claxton, as some of the reports rumor us to do. That doesn’t make any sense unless there’s a real, real strong need for another roster spot. Things could get somewhat more complicated if Claxton tries to return and the Warriors block the efforts.

by jae on Jun 25, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things could get somewhat more complicated if Claxton tries to return and the Warriors block the efforts.

Thats the bottom line, If CC wants to save that money (80% of his contract) he might insisit that Riley get rid of him. It is a good trade just because we got rid of a player who impacted the team negatively AND we shaved 10 million of the cap next season. While I dont know if Law is a legitiment backup point guard in the NBA, I have no problem with running this season with him as a backup to Ellis and Curry.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jun 25, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a side note, its really dissapointing looking at Law's stats.

espicially from 3 point range. While I am not a big Big 12 college basketball guy, I think we all remeber him lighting it up from downtown and hitting clutch shots. Hopefully a year in ‘nellie ball’ will give him a Matt Barnes like 3 point improvement.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Jun 25, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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