Prediction: Crawford trade aimed at Stoudemire
by bleep on Jun 24, 2009 11:50 PM PDT
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Phoenix wants to cut payroll. They just traded shaq for spare parts. Could Amare be next? The excellent suns beat reporter Paul Coro offhandendly mentions that the Dubs are still agitating for Amare, with a package centered on Biedrins. In this context, the expiring contracts the Dubs got from Atlanta would be part of that package:
Amare $16,378,325
for
Biedrins $9,000,000
Claxton $5,209,454
That would work out, salarywise, and net the Suns more than they got for 15-time all star Shaq. The Suns are down a centre now, so Biedrins would fit right in. That leaves the Suns deficient in the PF deparment. Maybe they'd want Jordan Hill too, or Wright.
Would you do it? I think that the Suns are definitely considering it.
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ugh
i don’t think that we need amare…he has baggage. plus, we have AR at the 4 spot and need him to develop there.
Gerald Madkins.
by gorrillas on Jun 24, 2009 11:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amare can play 5 in Nellie’s System.
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Monta/AMMo/Crawford
Stephen/MAGGS/Azu
AR/Wright
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by Sinigang on Jun 25, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But I guess that would mean Beans would be moved?
Gerald Madkins.
by gorrillas on Jun 25, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, my bad. I forgot that Biedrins was included in the proposed deal…for some reason I thought it was Monta.
I guess then it could work out, but I don’t really see the Suns making the deal for utlimately, Amare and Biedrins straight up. Suns would have to ask for at least the #7 pick in the deal as well.
Gerald Madkins.
by gorrillas on Jun 25, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta and Stoudamire always goes together.
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by RunNdGun on Jun 25, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to agree
I wouldn’t ever want a power forward who had two knee surgeries and has lost that out of the building jumping ability. He’s not that same player not to mention he doesn’t board particularly well and doesn’t really play much defense. No thanks, I’ll keep the a top 5 rebounder over this chump any day, can you say OVERRATED
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jun 25, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stoudemire has a player option after this year, right?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 25, 2009 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring it.
Ridiculously efficient 6’11" power forwards don’t grow on trees, you know. Roll with him for a year, enjoy his production, then when he goes FA the Warriors can offer more than anyone else. If he walks, losing Biedrins was not the end of the world. A tough blow, sure, but not franchise-breaking.
Thing C
by markdash on Jun 25, 2009 12:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
If he walks, losing Biedrins was not the end of the world. A tough blow, sure, but not franchise-breaking.
also the cap space that it would open up if we couldnt resign amare is another bonus.
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by Rach on Jun 25, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right-o. They would have Ellis, Jackson and Maggette coming in at around $10m each, Turiaf at $4m, Azubuike at $3m, then a bunch of team options. Assuming they pick up Randolph and Wright and decline Belinelli, that leaves them at about $41.8m for those 7 guys. Adding the 5 “phantom” cap holds, you end up at about $43m or so. That should be at least $10m under the salary cap at that time, meaning the Warriors would be players in that big FA year.
Thing C
by markdash on Jun 25, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cap space only matters if FA will come to your team
the Warriors could be players in that big FA year, but those FA will likely have more than a couple suitors …
by hardcore on Jun 25, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
FAs willing to come to your team only matter if you have cap space. : )
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
touche
you realize of course, exchanges like these will become a thing of the past, er, uh future (eyes roll)
by hardcore on Jun 25, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure he's only 6' 9"
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jun 25, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wouldnt shock me
if nellie and lil nellie traded beans. i just think that bosh would be there first choice and amare the 2nd choice.
i think that if they draft hill then beans is getting traded for sure
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by Rach on Jun 25, 2009 12:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Instead of Amare
what about some deal that includes Al Jefferson + bench player and Monta + Wright, etc.?
Gerald Madkins.
by gorrillas on Jun 25, 2009 12:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No blown ACLs
Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell? Oh no hide the children!
by Nuck Chorris on Jun 25, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
We definitely shouldn’t do it without getting Amare to agree to an extension. If he does… well, Amare’s the better player, so I guess you should do it. It’d kinda worry me, though. Biedrins is the younger player, the better rebounder, defends the rim better and has an awfully appealing contract. It’s not exactly easy to find centers. Plus, Amare is a guy who’s much more prolific playing alongside a great passer, something we lack.
The prospect of Monta, Azubuike, Randolph and Amare all slashing to the basket is pretty damn fun. And you’d have to imagine that Nellie would love this. But I don’t know. It’d have some risks.
by onlxn on Jun 25, 2009 12:21 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I used to think that Biedrins had a good contract, but the more I read the more people seem to think that he’s a little overpaid. I wonder if I’m the one who’s wrong here.
Thing C
by markdash on Jun 25, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s just that his ceiling seems a bit lower than it was even last year. He’ll never be able to shoot a jump shot, and will never bulk up into an overpowering center.
I remember the end-of-season interview with Nellie by Tim Roye (I think it’s on the warriors site) — when evaluating the center position, Nellie was kind of was a bit lukewarm. He said the position was adequate, but not one in which you’d be dominating many teams with. That seems pretty fair, and doesn’t seem like it would change much in the future.
That said, I think he’d do pretty well with Nash running the pick and roll. It would be fun to watch, more fun than Shaq+Nash together. That was pretty painful.
by bleep on Jun 25, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Warriors may not have a Steve Nash ...
but they’d typically have 2-3 players on the floor that are considerably better passers than the Suns’ #2 option. I have to imagine that would work for Amare.
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by devo on Jun 26, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the Suns would do this.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 25, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i thought speedy cant be packaged with another player?
by Dr. Orpheus on Jun 25, 2009 12:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a 60 day window where he can’t be packaged. But this could still happen before the start of next season.
by bleep on Jun 25, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Er..... Baron and Jax next?
Hell with it…maybe we should all support Phoenix!!
J-Rich
Matt Barnes
Biedrins
Maybe throw Buike in there and combine it all with Nash…. I like that team…!
:)
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by BritWarriorGSW on Jun 25, 2009 1:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Suns do have Robin Lopez. I’m not saying that would definitely influence how they view this deal, but he is a very young center they do seem to like and we aren’t really considering that aspect of this.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 1:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
True. But I don’t think anybody there is ready to pencil Lopez in full time, unless they go into uber-rebuilding mode. Which they don’t want to do unless they’ve given up on re-signing Nash, something they seem very intent on at the moment.
Lopez doesn’t have that much of an offensive game. He didn’t even get much play as a backup center last year, until Gentry took over. Biedrins would be a big upgrade on Lopez.
by bleep on Jun 25, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dang
This is where Jax expiring deal would be mighty attractive…oh wait.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
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by kenntoe on Jun 25, 2009 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amare's deal is expiring too
Sun’s need to lower this season, not next. Beans and Jax, not much savings.
by JSML on Jun 25, 2009 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good deal
we give up Biendrins and…lets say…Wright
We lose a decent defensive center who know’s how to board and move without the ball but cant score worth a lick. We also give up a PF with lots of upside but who has yet to show any type of consistent development
We’d get an allstar PF who thrives in up tempo styles and who wants to be the go to guy. He can board, rock the rim, but has surprising range on his shot (the man can shoot 3s). Also, he has an agenda. He wants to prove that he’s one of the best in the game
I’d like to see him extended before we give up a solid young center…but as mentioned above, we may sacrifice young talent in exchange for a potential one year rental, but we’ll either resign amare or get a huge amount of cap room…my guess is that, since the guy wants to be in the playoffs and play a significant role on the team, all the while the W’s can sign him for more money than any other team…we’d have a decent shot at resigning him
Amare may have been a dream in the past, but it sounds more realistic than ever….I hope the warrior front office makes a serious run at it
by rtgunn on Jun 25, 2009 2:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ummm
andris isnt a decent defensive center. his defense (other than rebounding) is pretty poor. also, offensively he can score very efficiently (if you dont count free throws)
but yes, i agree it would be well worth losing him to get a star.
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 25, 2009 3:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’ve said that all of last season! He’s always late rotating and is out of position! Except for his hustle and rebounding, his defense isn’t all that! He’s got happy feet again, like when he was a rookie! One pump fake…BOOM…he’s up in the air! Frustrating!
Geeez Louf*ckingweeez!!!
by scottiepimppen on Jun 25, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Happy Days !!
I just put out a thread about being creative and going after Amare only to have the naysays say it’s not possible yada yada:
I pointed out that after we get Amare we make that trade with the clips and bring back Baron: that brings back the point guard that we need and puts Monta back at his 2G position:
But hey why stop there, I said we fatten the deal and bring back JRich: they are not that high on him yet, he was a midseason trade, he can be had, then we got the whole enchilada:
AS
AR
Jack
Monta
Baron
JRich 6th man: Morrow, KA, Rocky:
Let the good times ROLL!!!!!!!!
by ForestGrump on Jun 25, 2009 3:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baron, Jackson, Stoudemire, Monta and JRich? So you’re thinking Cohan would foot that bill even if it were possible to trade for all those contracts?
That could very well be the worst production per dollar roster in the NBA
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we build it, they will come !
If I had to let one go because of the cap it would be JRich on this one: Baron for Maggs is a trade off:
Don’t forget, we just got rid of Crawford, and traded SC, also traded AB, so were not much different than we are right now: if JRich crimps his style then just go with Amare and Baron:
Where is your creativity, stuck in the pants pocket of CC?
by ForestGrump on Jun 25, 2009 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron for Maggs isn’t a trade off, Baron’s price tag is a lot bigger. We just traded Crawford….but we got almost just as much salary in return. I’m not sure of actual cap numbers but just estimating off the top of my head, with Biedrins, Maggette, and Claxton you’re talking about shipping out less than 24 mil per year, while adding close to 40 mil in Amare, Baron, and JRich. Thats more that just being creative.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think that if Hill falls to 7,
a Biedrins, Wright, Claxton for Amare deal would be nice for both teams. Phoenix gets an expiring, a very good center to build around, and a PF who showed some promise this season, plus they have their lotto pick which will probably get them a nice PG. The Warriors get a superstar. ’Nuff said.
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 25, 2009 3:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Might as well go out with a bang.
Nellie is 52 games away from tying Lenny Wilkens with the most games won in the regualr system. If we’re only giving up Biedrins, Claxton, Wright + whoever we pick at 7 hopefully not Curry or Evans, then id do it in a heartbeat. Lets face it, I dont see Nellie coaching after this season and with this team not, i dout we can get 52 wins with the team we have now no matter who we select at 7. Amare is a 2 for 1, that being giving a more legit chance of actucally winning 52 games and putting fans back in the seats.
by Spee-D on Jun 25, 2009 4:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IIRC, he’s only a couple dozen (24?) wins away now …
by hardcore on Jun 25, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's all it is for them:
to put fans back in the seats. All while getting Nelly the record.
F*ck them.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 25, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF...
they actually put a team that wins out there, while in the process gets Nellie the record, isn’t that for us as fans too?
Geeez Louf*ckingweeez!!!
by scottiepimppen on Jun 25, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
before you even think of saying no to this trade idea
Ellis, Jax, AR, Amare and Turiaf (assuming Wright or Jordan Hill is in that package)
That’ s a playoff line up to me
by BarnettBeBallin on Jun 25, 2009 5:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
All the years this team has struggled by not having a center, now we want to trade the best center we’ve had sense I can remember for a very good but lazy player who won’t even be on the team in 2 years. Then we will again be the shortest team in the league for years for follow.
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by qin on Jun 25, 2009 7:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we are quick to forget how miserable the center position was for so long before Biedrins
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember
This deal, if it were to go down, could not happen for a couple of months: Claxton can be traded all by his lonesome at any time, but he cannot be packaged with another player for 2 months after the initial trade. So we’ll have to agitate for Amare a bit longer.
by ffgolden on Jun 25, 2009 8:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't shock if...
That proposed trade happened with a swap of 1st round picks included. That would drop us down from #7 to #14 were we could draft say… Terrace Williams aka Ron Artest Jr.
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by mcwalter44 on Jun 25, 2009 8:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To trade for STAT
and have him masquerade as a C in our system…Ehh..Amare just looked disinterested last year and didn’t seem like he wanted to play defense. Guess he’ll fit right in then yea?
But he dunks the ball really hard and makes Sportscenter highlights. =/
So yes, it makes sense to trade for him.
He doesn’t nearly play as hard as Bosh does. Doesn’t get enough rebounds like he used to. The whole thing with the cornea, the ACL. That coupled with losing Biedrins for nothing when and if STAT walks. Doesn’t make this deal all too enticing.
What’ll happen? We trade for him. We win 46-48 games. Squeak into the playoffs with a first round exit. Then he bolts for the 2010 Market. We’re left with no STAT. No Beans. And a perpetual search for mediocrity at the center position.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 25, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually think keeping STAT is easier than it looks…
He wants to play in a Nellie or D’Antoni type system AND he wants to be the “man” which he’ll be on the W’s, but not so much if he were to (hypothetically) join Lebron or Wade in NYC.
We’d also be able to sign him for the longest & biggest contract. At worst, we’ll probably be able to work a sign & trade.
The real problem is AR & STAT aren’t built to defend centers. at this point STAT probably couldn’t even fake it the way he was able to at least do in his younger days.
by homer simpson on Jun 25, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we traded Biedrins for Amare, I’d think we’d actually have Randolph defending opposing centers most nights, as crazy as it sounds. He held his own pretty decently at center for spurts last year, and he puts real energy into defending the rim, unlike Amare. The image of him bodying up Howard, Shaq and the rest is certainly scary, but I wouldn’t totally rule out his being able to at least compete against a lot of guys there.
by onlxn on Jun 25, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am hoping it is more aimed at chandler, west or armstrong from the hornets...
we know hornets are trying to dump salary, tell me that speedy’s contract isn’t valuable to them, that would be HUGE to get on of those guys, what do you think?
by warriorbum on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Randolph and Amare in the 4 & the 5 spot, “Twin Towers!!” There is feeling like the Warriors are going to do something today, during the draft.
We be doin' it CROOKLYN style!!!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 25, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anderson Varejao
If they make this trade for Amare, a perfect replacement or back up would be Anderson Varejao. He might come at a cheaper price. We could also package up Magette and the pick for a proven PG. Plenty of possibilities.
by KillaCrossOver on Jun 25, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it would be unbelieveable if we landed Amare...
He’s the type of big man that would flourish in Nellie’s system. A 4/5 that can run the floor…has excellent post up skills…can knock down the 12-15 footer….AND he’s a defensive presence in the post! What more do you want?
Only concern…that bad eye and he vows to wear goggles for the rest of his career…will he be Kareem and still dominate, or spiral down to Rambis level? haha
Amare to the Dubs!! Y’all have already busted out with the potential roster with him on the team. drool
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by crossphaded on Jun 25, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Could Nash be included?
If the trade goes through, the Suns’ FO must be delusional if they think this hastily assembled team comes anywhere near the playoffs. Can we incorporate Maggette and Belinelli into the deal as well for Nash?
The King of the East shall move his kingdom to the West. 2010.
by GoldenBlue on Jun 25, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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