RUMOR: Warriors inquired about Suns' Amare Stoudemire and offered Andris Biedrins
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 6:28 PM PDT
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Originally posted Jun 25, 2009 1:25 PM PDT
Update (6/35/09 1:23pm): ESPN.com's Marc Stein chimes in with more key details:
The Warriors' interest in Amare Stoudemire stretches back to February, when Phoenix first made Amare available. The Suns also like the idea of Golden State as a trading partner if they decide to go all the way with their Shaq-sized clearout and part with Amare, too.
However ...
One of my best sources on the subject tells me that any deal that potentially lands Stoudemire in Oakland would be "complicated," if you want to boil it down to one word.
The implication is that it would be too complicated to get such a deal done tonight and involve the No. 7 pick.
A comprehensive medical evaluation of Stoudemire's eye and microfracture-repaired knee is just one of the hurdles, I'm told. The Warriors would also need some assurances or at least strong hints that they can re-sign Amare next summer or hammer out an extension with him before he ever gets to free agency.
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Update (6/35/09 12:41pm): Over at Y! Sports Adrian Wojnarowski in Draft buzz: Shaq gone, Amare on the move? writes:
League executives say the Phoenix Suns and Golden State Warriors have discussed a possible trade that is centered around sending Amare Stoudemire to the Warriors for a package that would include Andris Biedrins and the No. 7 pick in the draft. But Warriors coach Don Nelson is telling friends that there's nothing seriously brewing there.
Thanks to CSalMJS for the FanPost.
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The Suns already made one blockbuster today shipping Shaquille O'Neal to the Cleveland Cavaliers (check out Fear the Sword), so they can make one last run with LeBron James. I swear I'm going to crack up in the summer of 2010 when both Shaq and LeBron bounce from the midwest after winning the 2010 NBA Championship on the Cavs for the bright lights of the Big Apple. But are the Suns done dealing? From reading what my man Phoenix Stan has to say in The Big Experiment ends with a wimper. Shaq traded for $. Full blow up coming? it doesn't seem like they're done.
I'm praying the Dubs get Amare. [via www.dimemag.com]
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Paul Coro for The Arizona Republic notes:
Teams recently have inquired about every returning Suns starter, including Golden State's ongoing interest in Amaré Stoudemire (with a package involving Andris Biedrins being revisited). Washington looked at Stoudemire, too, but backed away when Caron Butler and Richardson were added to the mix.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Every team out there should be talking to the Suns about Amare. He's one of the league's few proven superstar talents. Who wouldn't want an absolute BEAST who can drop upwards of 25-10 at an impressive shooting rate in the high 50's?
Amare's an undeniable great fit for Nellieball with his high flying, rim-rocking, coast to coast offensive repertoire. He didn't seem to be a big fan of slowing down to a half-court game that emphasizes defense. Guess which team's coach is the last guy to emphasize either? Amare also didn't seem to be a big fan of playing alongside another big tree. Guess which team's coach doesn't have the slightest problem with playing as few big men as possible? Stoudemire and Nellie are a match made in heaven.
I sincerely doubt the Suns are foolish enough to send Amare to the Dubs if the best player they're getting back is the severely offensively and defensively limited Andris Biedrins. That's essentially gift wrapping a superstar to a division foe for a nice role player who has a stellar rebounding rate, but does little else. However, the Suns don't look to be making basketball trades right now; just ones that save them some dough. Speedy Claxton's contract via today's Jamal Crawford salary dump might help facilitate this (also see: Exploring the rumored Crawford for Claxton and Law Trade: CBA and salary implications).
If the Dubs can get some type of assurance that Amare's not just a one year rental or if they're confident that they can work some magic via some type of sign and trade with his Bird rights in the summer of 2010, bringing Amare to the Bay would be a brilliant move. Along with a few other tweaks this offseason it might be enough to get the Warriors to the promised land- the 1st round of the playoffs (our standards are pretty low here in Warriors land).
Thanks to GSoMer bleep for dropping a link to this article in a FanPost. I sure hope bleep's prediction is right.
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Playoffs? It would be close. We would have to win at least 45 games just to be in the hunt.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 25, 2009 12:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope we make a move!
how excited I would be if this actually happened.
Andris + newly acquired expiring contracts + belineli? for amare.
That trade would make us a very exciting and dynamic team to watch next season. Knowing nellie the lineup would be something like this:
PG: Ellis – Holiday (although if we are going for Amare we will probably get Hill)
SG: Jackson – Morrow
SF: ???? – Maggs/Buki
PF: Randolph – Wright
C: Amare – Turiaf
Although i’m not too sure who will start at the SF, all i know is this lineup would be ridiculously fun to watch on the offensive end and it would be great to finally see a current star playin for the dubs.
I am still really hoping we get a legit starting SF now that nellie wants to move jack to the SG position. (Hedo, Wallace, Odom, Prince, Battier)
Either way, I’m too excited for tomorrow!
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 25, 2009 12:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably Buike if we are sticking with the Maggette off the bench thing.
by belilaugh on Jun 25, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lemme retify your starting lineup
PG: Ellis – Holiday
SG: Jackson (I still hate him)– Morrow
SF: Randolph – Maggs (I still hate him) / Buki
PF: Amare – Wright
C: Turiaf – POB (LOL)
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by Gaucho! on Jun 26, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suns are looking to shed
Cap space it might happen I would hope we would have Amare locked up long term no need for a rental star .
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jun 25, 2009 12:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see it now on Draft night.......
We have a trade…….. (gasp from all fans in the theater) The Golden State Warriors Trade Speedy Claxton, Andris Biedrins, and the rights to Jordan Hill for Amare Stroudemire.
That would be the bomb=)
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Monta Ellis/ Brandon Jennings/Acie Law
Stephen Jackson/Ammo/Rocky
Kelenna Azubuike/Corey Maggette
Anthony "Big Ticket" Randolph/ Brandan Wright
Andris Biedrins/ Ronny Turiaf
by Sinigang on Jun 25, 2009 1:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Claxton can’t be traded until the deal is actually finalized on the first of July.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 25, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
Don’t we need to wait 60 days in order to make a trade involving claxton if its more than just himself + a draft pick?
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 25, 2009 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
There’s a moratorium on adding a recently traded player, unless it is a one for one swap.
Amare for Speedy? Make it happen Riley. =)
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by kenntoe on Jun 25, 2009 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that right
im not sure on the rules…but didnt the bucks just trade RJefferson for Oberto, Thomas and Bowen, only to turn around and trade Oberto for Amir Johnson?? Does the 60 day rule apply during the offseason?
Anyone got an answer for that??
by rtgunn on Jun 25, 2009 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how it works (as far as i know)
you can trade the player 1 for 1….or in combination of draft picks ONLY. Thus, you cannot trade the newly traded player in combination with any other players for anything.
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 25, 2009 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is the Crawford trade hasn't even been completed yet
So if they want they could make it a 3-way trade that gets agreed to now and completed July 1. Trades like that happen all the time this time of year. The Jermaine O’Neal trade from Indy to Toronto is the most recent I can remember.
by Bob on Jun 25, 2009 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare would be awesome
I just don’t have the heart to agree with this statement:
severely offensively and defensively limited Andris Biedrins
Too harsh, I mean, this guys so loyal and is our senior vet, let’s give him a little more respect huh?
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by AR4 on Jun 25, 2009 2:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think Andris has done an amazing job. Obviously he doesn’t have the most polished offensive game or many post moves, but the Warriors never really asked that of him. How many years has he been the only big man who could defend? ATMA has always hated on Andris, but fact is there were times where he was considered a top 5 center in the league. Plus, AR4 is right in that he has been completely loyal and is a great team player.
by bayareaballa on Jun 25, 2009 5:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
top 5 might be overstating it a bit, but I agree with the point you and AR4 are making. While technically Biedrins IS offensively and defensively limited, that way of describing him really underscores his value. He’s not a huge asset by himself on either end of the floor but he also doesn’t really hurt the team much on either end and his rebounding is a HUGE asset.
Thing A
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by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andris is offensively limited. He is not offensively ineffective. For whatever his limits, he takes and makes more shots than Turiaf, a guy who allegedly possesses a jump shot. And he does not take quality shots away from other guys in getting his points. They’re essentially all bonus points, and bonus points that most guys don’t get.
Defensively, and overall to some degree, I think that Andris is one of those guys who is a much, much more valuable player on a good team than one that is struggling. His defensive limitation is that he can get overpowered in the post by another big with size and offensive moves. Note that not all teams can play such a player for all of a game. He also appeared better defensively in spot situations when the perimeter defenders managed to help deny easy passes in and didn’t open up freeway fastlanes that Biedrins was thus entirely responsible to try to stop. On a team playing acceptable perimeter defense, the ball doesn’t get dumped to the opposing big as often nor do the opposing guards get sent at him time and time again. He’s got defensive limitations that no one on the team did jack (somewhat intended) to try to help with.
I’ve said it before. Turiaf appears to be the better individual defender, but his time on the court did not make the Warriors a better defensive team. I am convinced that this is because of Andris’s rebounding ability. He can actually close out defensive stops by securing rebounds rather than surrendering easy second chance points, something Turiaf is not nearly as good at. Again, on a better team, wings are going to have their men fire up more contested shots from the perimeter and the ability to get rebounds becomes even more important.
But of course, without trading him, will we have that better team for him to play on? That’s a really good question.
My fear with Stoudemire is that he isn’t as good a rebounder (especially if he plays like last year’s version) AND he’s not a tough interior defender like Turiaf, so you’re getting the worst of both worlds in exchange for more offense. It could work, and it could especially work if Randolph develops enough to play alongside Stoudemire and negates much of the rebounding drop accordingly, but it could also fail spectacularly with many sulking 127 -1140 loss along the way.
by jae on Jun 25, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
127 -1140
not sure even our defenseless dubs could accomplish such a drubbing as that!
by hardcore on Jun 25, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it could also fail spectacularly with many sulking 127 -1140 loss along the way.
I’ll take it!
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Stoudemire's rebouding
I don’t think he’s an elite rebounder even without Shaq, but I don’t doubt that if he was focused (both his own focus and the team’s focus) on rebounding and less scoring he would have much better rebounding numbers. Just throwing that out there. When he made the All-NBA 1st team in 2006-2007 his rebounding rate was 10.5 per 36. Alongside AR and maybe a Jordan Hill I’ll take it.
Biedrins goes out there and knows he’s not an elite scorer. Both he and Nellie know he’s out there to rebound- the team isn’t dependent on him scoring. I’d venture to say that if Biedrins had to put up 24ppg or had increased scoring responsibility he wouldn’t have the energy to grab 11 rpg. Shoot, the guy barely has the energy or effort to guard the screen and rolls or play tough one-on-one D on opposing 4’s and 5’s. Let’s not discount that Biedrins did have a big dip in overall output during the last 15 games of the season.
But you’re right on the money here:
My fear with Stoudemire is that he isn’t as good a rebounder (especially if he plays like last year’s version) AND he’s not a tough interior defender like Turiaf, so you’re getting the worst of both worlds in exchange for more offense
My hope is that Stoudemire’s such an efficient and high scoring offensive player (close to 60%) it’s worth it. I do believe having a force in the middle will increase the number of looks on the outside Morrow would get too.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess this is why it’s one of those trades that could actually happen. There’s a legitimate upside and downside possibility. Like any realistic trade of any impact, it stings a bit and it’s not a sure thing that things will be better afterwards, though there’s also a chance it will.
Randolph wasn’t a force in the middle. When he started doing well, he wasn’t really doing much more than Biedrins in terms of where his offense was coming from. But he seems to have more tools to go beyond that. Perhaps he’s the offensive force in the middle that will open up looks for our guards. This of course could be true with Andris or Amare alongside.
Another question: Amare has been the defacto center in Phoenix before. Is he one of those bigs who balks at being called a center and would throw fits if he got stuck on a team that didn’t have a “true center” alongside him (preferably one who didn’t get in his way on offense, but did the dirty work on defense)? I don’t know enough about his psychological makeup to answer this.
by jae on Jun 25, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…he reportedly didn’t like pairing with Shaq, who you’d probably consider the truest center he ever played with. My main attitude concern is that he does, at least if you’re to believe sport media (which is dubious at best, I grant you) have a bit of a penchant for being “the guy” on his team. I remember hearing this was an issue when Nash was at his peak, and additionally fed into his displeasure with Shaq. I suspect that he’d have no issues running in the center position for us.
I’d be most concerned about Stoudemire in that we’d lose Biedrins, who I prefer for us for many reasons, and I worry that Randolph is going to be forced to defer to Amare, when I think that Randolph’s skill set is potentially much more useful to the team we have presently.
by Zack Vank on Jun 25, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just...
…don’t understand why “high scoring offensive player” is even being brought up this offseason. We’ve got those already. We scored 108 points a game last year. Does that number really need to be pushed higher? It seems especially suspect when you consider the downgrade in rebounding, and Stoudemire’s propensity for sulking.
Again, I guess I feel like trading AB for Stoudemire only makes sense insofar as a salary dump is concerned. I’d rate the odds of him re-upping with us at slightly worse than the odds of me dunking over him. And I think it’s very perilous to toss aside Biedrins when he represents one of the few sensibly valued contracts we’ve given out. Cutting him loose to clear money to keep, say, Stephen Jackson’s contract from putting us in the red would feel like prioritizing cheap thrills over winning management.
But obviously nobody’s arguing this as a salary move on the Warriors point, although cynical as I am, if it happened, I suspect that’s all it would be for Cohan and Rowell. It’s fool proof, really, because obviously Stoudemire is more of a draw than Biedrins, and will generate more excitement, regardless of whether or not he has a good season. Then when he leaves the team, we’ll get more crocodile tears about how they wanted to resign him but he subbed us, which is disingenuous when it’s so transparently obvious that we couldn’t have resigned him the moment we traded for him. I rate it a bad move on court, off court, and for the long term health of our roster.
by Zack Vank on Jun 25, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just don’t understand why "high scoring offensive player" is even being brought up this offseason. We’ve got those already. We scored 108 points a game last year. Does that number really need to be pushed higher?
108 ppg doesn’t need to be pushed up but the Warriors middle of the pack FG% (45.8%) and bottom tier FG% differential (-1.0) do. If the Warriors aren’t going to play much defense then they’ve got to do it like the 2004-2007 Phoenix Suns and score at a really high rate (both in terms of amount and efficiency) that other teams can’t match. Amare advances them towards that goal, Biedrins does not.
Amare is an infinitely more physically gifted and talented player than Biedrins who teams have to develop entire game plans around. I’d bank on him making (some) improvements to his game (hopefully rebounding) than Biedrins. Remember Amare couldn’t shoot when he came into the league, but now he has a reliable jump shot. Biedrins still hasn’t improved that facet of his game one bit and shows no signs of improving it. For all the bad rap Amare gets for his supposed his attitude and work ethic, he’s shown a ton of more growth in his game than Biedrins.
Next to Stephen Jackson Biedrins is easily the most overrated player amongst fans on the team. Maybe Chris Mullin was dumb enough to refuse to trade him for Kevin Garnett or Amare Stoudemire, but don’t think for a second that Nellie and Riley will make that mistake if given the opportunity.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only read half...but spot on.
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by kenntoe on Jun 25, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may be overrated by the fans
But I don’t get all the hate for his game. Like JAE said, his points are bonus points. He’s incredibly efficient at what he does offensively, and, at still just 23, has room to bulk up a bit and develop a stronger inside presence. Even if he doesn’t, like I said, he does what he does incredibly efficient and on a team like the Warriors the scoring’s coming from elsewhere anyway.
Defensively, he can be soft against the bigger guys but he’s still a pretty great rebounder and shot blocker. He would’ve been 14th in the league in bpg last year had he qualified, and still managed to finish 22nd in total blocks anyway. He finished 14th in the league in total rebounds and played at least 11 less games than everyone ahead of him.
He does what he does. It isn’t flashy, and it probably isn’t that well-tailored to Nellie’s half-baked system, but any way you cut it he’s probably one of the league’s most efficient players. He’s raised his production almost across the board every year he’s been in the league, so while his skill set remains limited, it isn’t affecting his ability to continually improve productivity.
Should we trade him for Stoudemire? Well, sure. But I don’t understand all the text spent on talking about what AB can’t do well when there’s plenty that he does do very, very well.
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by walk off bunt on Jun 25, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
It’s not a matter of scoring more, it’s about scoring better and more efficiently.
Sure, we averaged 108 points a game last season, but those points are coming from our guards and swingmen. We had a hard time winning games because we had no one to score inside. The difference is that an Amare Stoudemire trade would give us an inside scoring presence, and it would help to balance out our offense and the Warriors could start playing an inside-out game more often. It would make the team more deadly on offense now that they can score from inside the paint, as well as the perimeter.
Think about it, when was the last time the Warriors had a 20/10 big man on their team? Amare Stoudemire can help out Golden State in big ways, the team has been lacking a big man of his caliber for years (possibly since Chris Webber, the 94 version not the 08 version). We’d have 20ppg players in Monta and Jackson in the perimeter, a slasher who gets to the line at will (Maggette), a versatile athletic beast in Randolph, and a 20/10 athletic inside scorer in Amare Stoudemire. Amare can make a bigger difference than most people think.
And Andris Biedrins is overrated, seriously. The kid has no offensive game whatsoever, no confidence, rarely makes his presence known on the defensive end, always gets into foul trouble, and is loved too much here in Golden State. The only reason he’s been getting so many rebounds is because he plays for a damn team that doesn’t put any rebounders or big men next to him. On any other other team, he’d be averaging around 7-9 rebounds a game. He’s just a glorified clean up guy.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
For a guy with “no offensive game” Andris seems to do a reasonable job of scoring points. It isn’t a flashy game and it’s one that depends on others, but there are far, far less effective centers on the offensive end. Turiaf, for example, has a better jumper (does that count as ‘game’?) but he does not score as efficiently or as much when he’s in.
The only reason he gets so many rebounds is because he’s an amazing rebounder. Put the “inflated rebounds” to rest. It’s bogus. Were it true, we’d have expected Turiaf to be a better rebounder here than he was in LA. He wasn’t. His rebounding was almost identical to what it was in LA where he had better rebounders around him. Until I hear an adequate explanation for this, I’ll continue to consider such ridiculous statements about how Andris isn’t a very very good rebounder to be exactly that: ridiculous. (And for what it’s worth, your 7-9 rebounds per game are meaningless numbers without stating how many minutes that will take him to get.)
by jae on Jun 25, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it comes down to Turiaf really not being that great of a player. He’d be riding the pine if he were in LA. He’s not a great rebounder- everyone should know that by now. He’s a more hyper Adonal Foyle with a semi-decent jumper (being nice about the J). I wouldn’t expect his rebounding to surge with the Dubs, because he’s honestly not a great rebounder. It’s just like how Foyle never had impressive rebounding totals.
Biedrins is indeed a very good rebounder. I don’t think anyone’s going to dispute that if they look at the numbers and look at how rebounding differs across teams. I think what folks should be discussing is whether his elite level board work translates to other teams.
I don’t buy it because:
- very few coaches would put up his atrocious and soft defense and he wouldn’t play that much
- very few coaches could probably stomach his ugly offensive game and foul rate (see Mike Montgomery)
- he’d be in a slower paced, power game where his frail build would crumble (he’s already showing signs of breaking down- look at how he’s finished the last 2 seasons)
- real deal 4’s and 5’s would take his boards (debatable given past research of course), but to me there’s just something funny about Biedrins’ rebounding totals
Pure hypotheticals of course, but just tossing that out there. Again, Biedrins is a very good rebounder, but is he as elite as his numbers with the Warriors indicate? I doubt it, but until he gets moved we’ll never really know.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol.
“Hyper Adonal Foyle”.
Hard to imagine Foyle going wild, the only time i’ve seen him do something close to that was when he did the Thizz Face after Baron dunked on AK.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This season Biedrins showed wear and tear. But I gotta call shenanigans on saying that he had issues at the end of the previous season. He missed games near the end because of an appendectomy. That’s a tough one to chalk up to his build or being frail. It’s also not an “injury” that will happen again, unless his surgeons lied and left the appendix in there. He also came back and closed out that season averaging 14 and 14 in 31 minutes while shooting 69% from the field.
by jae on Jun 25, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I gotta call shenanigans on saying that he had issues at the end of the previous season.
This is very true. Thanks for pointing that out.
I will add that Nellie severely reduced his playing time during that We Believe run in spring 07 and the team went to do… well, you know the rest. I don’t think he’s as vital to their past success and success moving forward as everyone has made him out to be.
Biedrins is undoubtedly a nice player who does some great work on the boards, but he’s very tradable for a superstar or even a star.
I place him in that Troy Murphy category of players who looks great numbers-wise, but a reality-check really tempers your excitement of their production and in Biedrins’ case upside.
If Biedrins is your best, second best, or maybe even 3rd best player you’re screwed.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but he increased it the season after and they got 48 wins.
I don’t see where you’re going with that.
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 25, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, solid counterpoint.
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by walk off bunt on Jun 25, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
High scoring isn’t the issue so much as “ridiculously efficient” scorer. PPG is not as good a measure as points per possession. We’re a middle of the pack offensive team by the better measure.
The “draw” factor might be something that Cohan and Rowell consider, but they’d do so foolishly. Studies indicate that “star draw” has very, very little impact on home attendance (not true on the road where people pay to see visiting stars, but since gate receipts aren’t really shared with visitors, that’s a non-issue). People don’t buy season tickets (where the teams make most of their ticket money) based on star draw for the very most part. The short lived excitement over acquiring Stoudemire will only lead to sustained revenue if he leads to more wins. That is the only part of the revenue equation they should be working with.
Biedrins for a year’s rental on Stoudemire would be terrible. Andris isn’t perfect, but he’s got a reasonable salary for what he is and I do believe you can win quite a bit with him as your center. Subtracting Andris’s salary in a year will not likely allow the team to get better by shopping for another player with that money. I make this deal only if there’s a real shot (like a decision in hand) to re-up Stoudemire. That, however, is going to take a max contract most likely and I don’t think that the escalating max for Amare is a good buy, especially not in a few years as his explosiveness he depends on leaves him.
by jae on Jun 25, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Andris can defend?
Since when…
by randolphforpresident on Jun 25, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
great trade for gs if it happens. amares style really fits the gs system perfectly (Fast paced offense and zero D)
by robi s on Jun 25, 2009 2:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
praying this will happen
I will go nuts if we can package Biedirins + Claxton + whatever other filler we’d need to bring Amare over here. I really like Biedrins but honestly I don’t see him getting much better than he already is. He has good hands for catching passes, but his offensive moves in the post and shot selection are so limited, and he is such a poor FT shooter.
Amare also fits into Nellie’s system really well, and can score from almost anywhere inside the 3point line.
by bObaBaLLa on Jun 25, 2009 2:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont want to be the one who decides who to trade
but amare IS perfect for nellieball, just like you said.
marco, bwright, andris, even monta? if the suns are going to trade amare, anyone on our roster is fair game if you ask me.
by HoLdEmUP on Jun 25, 2009 2:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No thanks
Anyone care that Amare’s never been the same since microfracture? Or that he’s a worse rebounder (and in my opinion defender) than Biedrins? At least he’s an expiring contract I guess…
by Free Zarko on Jun 25, 2009 5:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
actually
the stats indicate Amare is actually a much BETTER player in almost every category since his microfracture surgery. Last year was a bit of a disappointment, but he had other injuries and the two years that immediately followed his surgery were probably the two best years of his career so far.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
Shaq’s presence had a big impact on Amare’s rebounding numbers and low post scoring. Compounded with the freak eye injury, this explains his seemingly disappointing numbers last year.
by NextSeason on Jun 25, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even so...
….he’s still nowhere near the rebounder Biedrins is. Biedrins and Randolph playing together as the starters for a full season would be one of the best rebounding frontlines in the league. Also, I have no idea if he’s even at full strength. I’m not familiar with scratched retina, but that seems like the sort of thing that could be an issue, especially when this is all mortgaging the farm for next season specifically.
by Zack Vank on Jun 25, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biedrins and Randolph playing together as the starters for a full season would be one of the best rebounding frontlines in the league.
It’s also one of the worst defensive tandems in the league. I like AR as much as the next delusional Warriors fan, but he is not a proven high volume/ high efficiency scorer. Biedrins has proven that he is not a high scorcer. Swapping Amare in for either of them make the squad infinitely better. The defense doesn’t improve, but the offensive takes a huge step forward.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
The only reason why Biedrins has been getting so many rebounds over the past couple of years is because the Warriors never put any real big men next to him. On any other team he’d only be averaging around 7-9 rebounds a game.
Now that Randolph is next to him, Biedrins’ rebounding will drop a little because Randolph has the size to grab boards. I’d prefer a Stoudemire/Randolph frontline instead of a Biedrins/Randolph frontline. The Warriors can do wonders with an athletic 20/10 big man (when’s the last time they had one of those?) and Biedrins is overrated. He’s just a glorified clean up guy.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason why Biedrins has been getting so many rebounds over the past couple of years is because the Warriors never put any real big men next to him. On any other team he’d only be averaging around 7-9 rebounds a game.
False. Often repeated, but always false.
by jae on Jun 25, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
always false? ok buddy...
So in essence you are saying that a player will average the same number of rebounds regardless of who he is playing with? That argument just does not make any sense.
For an extreme example: lets say a center (player A) plays with 4 guys under 6’5’’ for several seasons. Then, he plays with a 6’9’’ SF and a 6’11’’ who are better rebounders than their 6’5’’ counterparts. You are arguing that Player A’s rebounds per game won’t be influenced at all?
Anecdotally, there are many examples of where two solid rebounders on the same team fight for a rebound between themselves. In this scenario, the fact that you have two legit rebounders playing at the same time, led to the rebound numbers of one of those players dropping slightly.
by randolphforpresident on Jun 25, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude randolph you've got it wrong
He wasn’t saying that its always false for every player in every situation (if I understand him correctly(and if I do, I agree)) But that Biedrins in this particular case with the Dubs would be as good (or at least nearly as good) on another team, even with another big. I agree with this. The Dubs gave up so many offensive rebounds and there are times when the two players will not be playing at the same time. And even when two good rebounding players are on the floor at the same time there are plenty of rebounds to go around and they will usually be on different spots on the floor not intruding on each others “rebounding territory”. Even when Andris has an excellent 12 rebound night, what percentage of the team’s rebounds is that? There are plenty of rebounds to go around.
Andris is a good rebounder on the Dubs and for nearly ANY other team.
by freerandolph on Jun 25, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am saying that the repeated cry that the only reason Biedrins appears to be a good rebounder is because he’s the only big on the Warriors is a bogus argument that gets made time and time again but runs counter to the available evidence. When Turiaf played as our lone big, his rebounding didn’t seem to be “inflated” vs. what it was in LA. Similarly, Harrington was the same anemic rebounder he was before (and after) he got to GS when Nellie used him as the lone big as well.
Can the rebound totals be influenced? Sure. Is the effect that big such that we should discount Andris appearing to be one of the best rebounders in the game given who he’s on the court with here? No. It does not empirically appear to be that great an effect. Rebound rates are very stable over time and this is true even when players change teams. The effect of teammates does not seem to be much more pronounced than the normal variation from a finite sample that we are always dealing with.
Anecdotal evidence is interesting. When it runs counter to a larger sample, it stops being terribly useful. The anecdotal cases of guys fighting for rebounds does not, empirically in a real statistical sample, appear to push that much influence on players’ rebound rates over the course of a season.
by jae on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare was an absolute beast two years ago..
Don’t know what you were looking at.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 25, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
andris and randolph would get pancaked. you need beef son.
by newbtoob on Jun 25, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why well take Hill and get rid of Wright (for a wing that knows what D is I hope)
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 25, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think i would do that
1 he wouldn’t sign an extention and even if he did it would be better to go after him as a free agent. If you have Dre and Amare and the 4 and 5 it would be better than Amare at 5
by GSW9 on Jun 25, 2009 5:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hoopshype rumor
has Amare and Barbosa going to Houston for McGrady’s contract, Landry, and Brooks. 2 thoughts-
1) Yao and Amare? Yikes, we could have some issues against that next season.
2) This should provide an idea for just how valuable McGrady’s expiring contract really is, and squash any ideas of getting ahold of McGrady for Maggette+assorted garbage.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 7:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t make sense. Amare is basically an expiring contract too, unless he is leaning towards not opting out. What are the chances of that?
Surely the suns don’t prefer McGrady to Amare. I wouldn’t even do Barbosa for Landry and Brooks on its own. Weird.
by bleep on Jun 25, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh I agree, its a pretty crazy idea and I really, really doubt it actually goes down, but I’m just pointing out how much a lot of GSoM has underrated the value of McGrady’s expiring. I would trade Barbosa for Landry and Brooks if I were dumping salary like Phoenix is but I would probably look for some other Amare deal.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and don't call me Surely!
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 25, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt this would happen
And if it did, I would expect to hear many news reports coming out of Phoenix starting with “The Angry Mob has now breached America West Arena…”.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
small word
big implications
If the Dubs can get some type of assurance that Amare’s not just a one year rental …
we went through all this with the Bosh threads: we cannot make this trade without some assurance we not are trading away one of our two biggest assets for a one year rental. That would be insane unless you only cared about next year, like a certain coach who is only 24 wins away from a record and on the last leg of his long coaching career …
GSW9 is right, it’s be terrific to have both Andris and Amare together, or Bosh & Amare together – but it’s simply not realistic to expect we can. My question about landing Amare is does Nelson use him at 5 & start Randolph? The other options don’t sound as appealing (Turiaf & Amare, AR off the bench & who’s the backup C? Wright? Hill?) I’ll leave you with this thought: What if Phx is demanding a package including AR instead of Andris?
by hardcore on Jun 25, 2009 7:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What if Phx is demanding a package including AR instead of Andris?
I say do it, with a 50/50 chance that it works out for the best or that it blows up in our face. AR has the makings of a developing stud, but Amare is a stud period. I’d wager that Nellie feels the same way and do this trade in a heart beat.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Jun 25, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No fricken way
If we trade AR….. i’d… i’d… have to find a new name
by randolphforpresident on Jun 25, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
amareforpresident?
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Jun 26, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No trade involving Shaq is a blockbuster anymore
I wish that has-been would retire. And the way I see it, he doesn’t show respect to anyone. He constantly bad mouths Dwight Howard. Jealousy! He’s just a journeyman now.
by Golden Boy on Jun 25, 2009 7:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
a journeyman? His per 36 minute numbers had him at over 21 pts, 10 boards and 1.5 blocks per game while shooting 60% from the field last season. That’s a pretty damn good journeyman. Shaq’s ego is a little ridiculous at times and I think he’s having a hard time accepting the fact that he isn’t the most dominant big man in the game anymore, but calling him a journeyman is showing much less respect for the player he was AND the player he is, than he is showing to the rest of the league.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone else have this issue?
So yes, I’d be all for a trade for Amare, but every time I hear his name, I just see him standing in the middle of the lane like a statue on D. Have I become so disgusted by the W’s lack of defense that I unfairly devalue a player like Amare, whose offensive abilities are remarkable, simply because he doesn’t hustle on D?
Needless to say, I was very happy with yesterday’s trade of Crawford. Great guy. Terrible defender.
by JRDub on Jun 25, 2009 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not just you, I said as much on another thread.
Good player, but lazy and wont even be here in 2 yrs.
Then were searching for a center for the next 10 yrs.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 25, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick name an All start that was traded within his own division
If you any actually does that…they didn’t do it quick and it’s probably not anytime recently.
It won’t happen.
by Balance on Jun 25, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy
But I think these days, in this economy, teams are more interested in saving money than worrying about rivals getting better.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 25, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so trades between teams within a conference aren’t common. But this doesn’t need to mean that the teams are avoiding them. If trading partners are more or less random, the number of potential trading partners in your own division is much smaller than the pool of trading partners elsewhere. We’d only expect about 1 in 8 trades to involve another team in division. Since trades involving an all star aren’t overly abundant to begin with, there’s fewer opportunities for it to occur.
by jae on Jun 25, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope it doesn’t happen, because then I won’t get any game time links in college from Lat We N Trash. Save Biedrins at least until after I graduate from college.
by belilaugh on Jun 25, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
CrustyRim
I have a feeling the Suns would want our #7 pick for this to work. I say yes, then draft Terrence Williams. You have scorers at 4 positions with Williams as the point forward.
Terrence and Randolph a pretty good defensive duo, by pretty good, I mean by Warriors standards.
by CrustyRim on Jun 25, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A good trade would be
Amare + 14 for Biedrins + Azuibuike + 7.
Or some other form to make salaries work.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 25, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
The Phoenix Suns and Golden State Warriors have discussed a possible trade.
League executives indicate that Phoenix could send Amare Stoudemire to the Warriors for a package that would include Andris Biedrins and the No. 7 pick in the draft.
Don Nelson, however, is telling friends that talks are not serious.
I find that hilarious for some reason. It’s a serious article about a trade, and then in the bottom they mention Don Nelson as if we’re supposed to take what he says seriously. I don’t know whether to believe Nellie or not, you never know when he’s bluffing or telling the truth.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Stein on Insider Draft Buzz
If you have ESPN Insider click the link. People are talking about this!
A comprehensive medical evaluation of Stoudemire’s eye and microfracture-repaired knee is just one of the hurdles, I’m told. The Warriors would also need some assurances or at least strong hints that they can re-sign Amare next summer or hammer out an extension with him before he ever gets to free agency.
So it’s difficult to see how such a deal could go down in conjunction with the draft, in spite of genuine Suns interest in the likes of Andris Biedrins and the closest thing to an untouchable on the Warriors’ roster: Anthony Randolph.
by Hoopachoo on Jun 25, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You might have to wait a month to get this deal finalized, as the Suns could choose to force the Warriors to include the person they select at 7. Biedrins, Wright, #7 has been floated out there.
by pree on Jun 25, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where you been man?! What’s good?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha I'm back now
Took some time. One of your members hit me up Facebook and was like “COME THE HELL BACK”, so here I am. Just needed a little jolt.
by pree on Jun 25, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pree...
Good to “see” you. I hope everything is going well.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 25, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any new rumors?
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by R Dizzle on Jun 25, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pree! Nice.
This might be premature, but would any particular pick by us tonight indicate movement in the direction of this deal? Might we be selecting somebody that we know Phoenix will want, rather than just focusing on helping ourselves?
by onlxn on Jun 25, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're picking Tyler Hansbrough with the 7th pick!
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I am struggling with
There are a lot of possibilities and I’m on the phones. I will let you know of some scenarios I’m putting together.
by pree on Jun 25, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I gotta say, Biedrins + Wright + #7 is too rich for my blood, even if Amare would extend. Those are three genuine trade assets — neither Wright nor the #7 have huge value, but they have value. It leaves us, with, what…
PG – Monta Ellis, CJ Watson, Acie Law
SG – Stephen Jackson, Anthony Morrow, Marco Belinelli
SF – Kelenna Azubuike, Corey Maggette
PF – Anthony Randolph
C – Amare Stoudemire, Ronny Turiaf
We’re down to three bigs, with no draft pick to replenish us… obviously there are FAs and Jermareo Davidson types, but still. This team would need to succeed exclusively though brilliant offense, and while the offense would be pretty good, without a natural point, I dunno. We’d be more or less capped out with Amare’s extension, I’m assuming, and it’d also leave us pretty damn low on trade chips. It could work out fine if AR’s as good as we hope, but then that’s probably true with the current roster, too.
Amare would be awfully fun, but this doesn’t look worth it to me.
by onlxn on Jun 25, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too rich for mine also
Scoring is not a problem for us. Efficiency can be and, as JAE asserts, few are as efficient as Andris. And your point about a complementary PG is right on. Just how much of Stoudemire’s efficiency has to do with Nash? Rebounding IS a problem for us. Losing Andris will only make that worse. I’d give the Suns anyone but Andris, AR, and Monta for AS. How about some combination that included Turiaf or Wright? Even both…
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
by fotd on Jun 25, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't doubt Nash helped
But pre-Nash at the age of 21 Amare Stoudemire put up 20.6 ppg and 47.5% FG. Back then he didn’t have much of a jumper either.
My question is how much Nash’s assist surge has to do with Amare Stoudemire + Shawn Marion?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m sure that nash’s assist increase and amare’s offensive production are linked. losing the other player wouldn’t make them individually useless, but it seems like both would benefit from the other’s skill set.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 25, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow really.
You forgot Kurz. Stoudemire is gonna take a backup roll to Kurz.
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 25, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what.
Wow. You guys really want to pass up on an athletic 20/10 big man?
It’s not like Biedrins is going to be a superstar, what the hell is so good about him. Amare can rebound just as good as Biedrins especially on this Warriors team. Biedrins won’t be able to score at will for us, he has no offensive game whatsoever.
With Stoudemire, our offense if more balanced and deadly because we can play inside and out. With Biedrins, a ton of pressure is put on our perimeter guys to score more often and they end up chucking a lot. There’s never a time where I can remember Biedrins getting the ball and taking over the game when the Warriors were in need. Whenever he tried to take over, he’d just receive a pass at the top of the key and do some lame drive at the rim.
What makes you think that Amare can’t match Biedrins “offensive efficiency”? LOL, all he has to do is be able to score within 5 feet of the basket. It’s not that damn hard, people act like Biedrins is a superstar here in Golden State. He can’t even make a damn free throw.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Scoring.
Yes we have no problem scoring but we need someone who can score inside the paint instead of having all of our points come from the perimeter and fastbreak points. What the hell are we going to do when we’re in a half court situation? Give Biedrins the ball and let him do his amazing post moves to help take over the game? Yeah, right.
A Randolph/Stoudemire frontline would be scary to other teams. If Biedrins can get a lot of rebounds in Golden State, then imagine how many rebounds Amare Stoudemire would get over here!
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare can rebound just as good as Biedrins especially on this Warriors team
that isn’t true. no one will argue that amare is the better offensive player, but to say that he is biedrins’ equal on the glass is just not true. let’s also keep in mind that for all the criticism biedrins gets on the defensive end, amare is worse. there’s absolutely zero effort on the defensive side of the ball from him. biedrins is not a good defender, but he’s better on that side of the ball even before you factor in his clear edge on the glass. i’d make the deal because amare is such a gifted scorer, but would pass if we couldn’t ensure that we’d keep him or if he wanted a max deal (which he does not deserve).
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 25, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
reply botched, directed at precise films productions.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 25, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay okay
Stoudemire isn’t perfect, but he’s still an upgrade.
Biedrins is a better rebounder, but if we get Amare I still don’t really see rebounding being completely worse than it is now. A Randolph/Amare frontline still seems pretty amazing to me.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed. it’s a downgrade in rebounding that could be made up for by randolph receiving more minutes, but considering how bad we were on the glass last year, just matching that output would not be good. we’d really need to get some more rebounders on the team if we trade biedrins. hill seems like the obvious move for us if that’s what we want to do.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 25, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
…he’s not nearly the upgrade people are ultimately rating him to be. He’s at best a wash with Biedrins defensively, he’s a worse shotblocker, and he’s a MUCH worse rebounder. He’s a one year rental with so far as I can see no particular reason to be enthused about playing for us, which is relevant as his motivation has been called into question.
Biedrins is a better rebounder, but if we get Amare I still don’t really see rebounding being completely worse than it is now.
I can’t imagine any other means to make such a judgement. If your eyes and instincts are telling you nine rebounds a game is the same as twelve or thirteen, you need to step back and take a reasoned look at the numbers.
by Zack Vank on Jun 26, 2009 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Name to keep an eye on
Earl Clark. If the Warriors take him, something is up.
by pree on Jun 25, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pree
Mind moving over to the party over here?
OPEN THREAD: Pre-2009 NBA Draft
Thanks man.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you even see this comment among the noise -
does the fact that PHX took Clark still mean something might be up?
Andris + ???? Curry + change
for Amare + Clarke + change
by hardcore on Jun 25, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing no one seems to mention
Beans can still grow as a player (he’s young) – amare probably not.
by mosdl on Jun 25, 2009 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he needs to grow some balls
he plays too soft. he’s an athletic 7 footer, he needs to start playing more agressive.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to what Ric Bucher just said on TV
The trade would be Beans, Belli Wright & possibly #7 for Amare….
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by The Dedication on Jun 25, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn that's a whole lot.
I’d be fine with it if we can keep Belinelli. I still have faith in that kid.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that seems like a lot
but i know amare can be a special player. we’ll see what goes down. i know i’m glued to my tv for the next few hours
by AJC3317 on Jun 25, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
I like that idea ALOT.
by justinleagueheroes on Jun 25, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it's too much to give away.
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by deto725 on Jun 25, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we swap 7 and 14 or give a future lotto protected pick then I'm good.
DeMar Derozen or James Harden, 1st-Team Rookie Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on Jun 25, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’m with you. I would also like to lock Amare up past this season somehow.
by bayareaballa on Jun 25, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not Birdrins!!!!!!!!
at least let us swap the picks or switch Magg with our picks.
by warriorfan4life on Jun 25, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately
Biedrins is the reason they would make the trade. I would miss a lot about Andris, but I think it’s worth the gamble, but only if we can keep Amare for awhile.
by bayareaballa on Jun 25, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about trade
Brandon Wright b/c we all know he’s GARBAGE! Anthony Randolph has made a better rookie season then he did. shooot, but Idk. We’ll see, Biedrins is progressing drastically. But it would be nice having Amare in a Warriors uni
by justinleagueheroes on Jun 25, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
yeah that might be too much. especially if he is gone after this year. but none the less monta,jack, mags, randolph and amare is darn good starting 5.
by CSalMJS on Jun 25, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that is the problem.
Is Amare even going want stay here? I don’t like this trade if he want to leave after 2010.
by warriorfan4life on Jun 25, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amare for Biendris and maggette. Maggette’s weak sauce and Biendris is good but he isn’t Amare good. Amare is a beast plain and simple. He would be a force to be reckon with around the rim. He brings that big post presence the Warriors are looking for and he can play some defense. Imagine that line up Monta captain jack randolph AMARE and turriof. I’ll take that line up and if only we could get a true point guard tonight in the draft Holiday from UCLA or Curry. we can only pray we don’t screw up another draft like the raiders did this year.
by Delta Neosporin on Jun 25, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Package in Jason Richardson...
and I’m all for this trade! muahahaha
by stopher on Jun 25, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not pissed off about that trade no more.
I’m all for it now. Amare to bay. And The bust is outta here. So, I’m a very happy warriors fan again.
by warriorfan4life on Jun 25, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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