Does the proposed trade for Amar'e improve us?
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 8:08 PM PDT
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So the proposed trade for Amar'e would include Andris, Buike, BWright, and either Belli or Curry. Amar'e is an amazing NBA player, I'd love to see him on our team, more as a PF though. What were our issues as a team last year? Defense, Rebounding, and Health. Our lineup now looks like this
PG:Monta/Curry/Marco
SG:Jack/Morrow/Marco
SF:Buike/Maggette
PF:AR/BW
C:AB/Ronny
as opposed to...
PG:Monta/Curry or Marco (one is gone)
SG:Jack/Morrow
SF:Maggette/Morrow/Jack
PF:AR/Kurz?Davidson?
C:Amar'e/Ronny
This trade makes us worse on defense, especially around the perimeter and worse at rebounding, mostly by the absense of Buike. Also because AB is a better defender and rebounder compared to Amar'e. It also takes away our depth. After last seasons experience, I don't see why Riley would want to dump our depth. Imagine if Amar'e goes out for a month or 2 with an injury. Ronny and AR, with Corey back to playing PF, that sounds awful.
Keeping Buike allows us to play Corey off the bench. (6th man of the year!). His absense also makes us very thin at the SF position. This trade is asking for too much.
If the trade was AB and Corey (to make the contracts work) plus Curry or Belli, then I would really be wrestling with this one. But the trade that is actually being proposed is too much. Especially when thinking about DEFENSE, REBOUNDING, and DEPTH. That's just me. What do you think?
UPDATE: According to Marcus Thompson, if they wait until after July 1st, they could do the trade without Buike, which is better, but I don't think Phoenix would do it without him...
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i like the first roster except marco and maggs will eventually leave
by dubzfan on Jun 25, 2009 8:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marco could be traded at any time. No one takes on Maggs’ contract for at least 3 years, so he’s here for awhile
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would
u bet more d and passing in return
be the change you wish to see in the world.
by Rach on Jun 25, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for that cause.
But Ak’s contract is god awful, plus I love Maggette as a 6th man
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maggs as 6th man is soild
but buike would be a good 6th man also and he can shoot the 3 better than maggs
be the change you wish to see in the world.
by Rach on Jun 25, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Buike starting
because he defends and rebounds better than maggs. Plus Maggette’s scoring and physicallity provides a boost off the bench that most teams in the NBA don’t get to enjoy
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maggette proved to be a pretty legit 6 man tho last year. i kind of like him coming off the bench and holding down the turbo button driving to the hoop over and over again.
it's just a game.
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by Slicker on Jun 25, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
except
He would often take mid range contested jumpers after waiting for 10 secs, like jamal.
If he drove more that would be great for us
by mosdl on Jun 25, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you cant drive all the time
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WE DEMAND IMPROVEMENT!
by RunNdGun on Jun 25, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I like that too
it’s too bad if the trade goes through, he’ll be starting…
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This trade is stupid.
Why would we want to bring in a player who has had several injuries, has the tendency of complaining, doesn’t want to play as center, and has the ability to opt out of his contract. I hope to god this trade does not go through.
by turbulence24 on Jun 25, 2009 8:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Biedrins+Wright+Bellinelli for Stoudemire.
That should be the most offered to the Suns except maybe a future pick or something. DON’T TRADE CURRY AT ALL!!!
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 25, 2009 8:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah once curry and buike entered the picture it got a little fuzzy
We can’t afford to lose all the depth for one player
by T-Money on Jun 25, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Can’t give up Buike. Keeping him should be a priority.
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
by bonbrillio on Jun 25, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Suns want Azubuike
We can give them Beli instead, but losing Azubuike kills us
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol y?
an undrafted system player. buike is good, but not great
by tafkasam on Jun 25, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he's one of, if not, our best perimeter defender,
he is a great offensive player, he shoots the 3 extremely well, he is also our best rebounding wing player. Plus, keeping him allows Maggette to be our 6th man, which is a better role for him and the team. Disagree?
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make him sound like Lebron.
He’s a good offensive player. Decent defender, and decent rebounder.
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 25, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he's no star but he is a baskeball player with a relatively small contract, so he's got value
by T-Money on Jun 25, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By that logic,
Kurz has value, Davidson has value, Demarcus Nelson has value, etc.
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 26, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s because he’s good AND has a small contract. Those guys are in relatively short supply.
Thing C
by markdash on Jun 27, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
do not include Curry in that trade!! i would be really excited to watch Curry play for the Dubs this season forward…amazing shooter.
as for azubuike, trade him!! players of his talent are a dime a dozen in the nba. his “decent” defending skills, rebounding as a wing, and three point shooting can be easily replaced….by another undrafted free agent or player willing to work. if you can land an all star by throwing in buike, i say do it!
by Brickowski BOOM on Jun 26, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what kills me
is that while at the draft party in SF, the crowd went wild when they showed that rumor on tv.
by turbulence24 on Jun 25, 2009 8:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Most fans care only about stars
And I think the calculus behind this deal involves appealing to the broad fanbase by aquiring a star.
I don’t think AS makes this team better if it means losing Biedrins. Now, find a way to pair those two on this team and I’m interested.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
by fotd on Jun 25, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Swapping Beans for Amare is dumb. It’s harder to find good centers than PFs, and Beans is still improving. Amare has a history of injuries and has a big ego. Beans is cool as ice.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
harder to find good center than pf, yes
much harder to find all star pf than a good center
by tafkasam on Jun 25, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biedrins also has the potential to be an all-star still he's 23
All star centers are what’s hard to come by. It’s too bad people generally only become all-stars based on offensive output.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really does NOT
no post moves, no shot, virtually non existant. He’s a hustle player who rebounds well and plays average defense. Don’t get me wrong, a good player but i highly doubt he’ll be more than a 12-10 guy
by tafkasam on Jun 25, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with you, but... Dwight is also 23....
F**K REFS
by faetati on Jun 25, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare is listed as one inch shorter and about 10 lbs heavier than Biedrins. Why exactly is he any less of a center than Biedrins?
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I don’t believe those numbers. Beans is clearly bigger than Amare — longer. And because Amare doesn’t play like a center, nor — I guarantee you — does he want to BE a center.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, so if something doesn’t fit your preconceptions you choose to dimiss it? I guess that makes your arguments work a lot better.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm Amare has played a lot of center and is an even better fit as the Warriors center
But everyone is quick to assume at 23 Biedrins, who is known for his offensive play in europe, cannot develope a quality nba offensive repetoire
by T-Money on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well known for his offensive play in europe?
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 26, 2009 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
the competition might not be the same, but the last few times he played for his national team he was actually pretty good offensively. I remember Latwentrash was posting boxscores and highlights of some international competition a while ago and AB performed very well offensively with some nice finishes inside. THey really ran the offense through him and he responded well.
I don’t think this will actually translate to a quality NBA caliber low post game, but IMO it’s fair to say that he is a good offensive player when he plays in Europe.
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 26, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
more so when he's played center 2 years previous to shaq...
amare averaged 14.4 Rper48…. and in 07-08 12.9 with shaq coming second half and his stats significantly dropping to average lower to 12.9. These numbers are fine… he’s been better @ center and with randolph next to him, its the dynamic of shawn marion which he was so successful with
by tafkasam on Jun 26, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
curry is no better then crawford… id bet 100 dollars curry doesnt score 50+ as many times as JC did… curry needs to go
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
curry passes better and probably shoots more consistent
More pg than jamal.
As for defense, probably the same
by mosdl on Jun 25, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
r u serious???
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d rather see curry gamble than crawford never try.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Jun 26, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow your the problem with allowing eveyone to post comments
They are totally different players, and no curry won’t score 50 but he also won’t stall the offense every other time he initiates the offense. The major difference is the efficiency with which Curry plays, not shooting his team out of games, also he at will at least put up a fight on defense
by T-Money on Jun 25, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone see him play a lot who can talk about his d?
I could see him play with marco or morrow
by mosdl on Jun 25, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally different in height and weight???
shoot first mentality, undersized defensively and efficiency at the college level or the nba level?
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
better passer???
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yes!
i could throw a dart out the window and hit someone who’s a better passer than Jamal Crawford. he’s a ball stopper, an offense staller, a player who holds the ball too long and doesn’t create good shots for his teammates. an offense run by jamal crawford has no flow, meaning he doesn’t setup teammates for quality shots every possession. instead there is too much dribble and a whole lot of forced shots as the shot clock winds down. just think of how easy it is to defend crawford dribbling beyond the 3 point line…it requires no double team, so the defensive players can stay home and contest all shots. the defense simply sits in front of the offense and allows crawford to dribble, and to shoot long contested 3’s, a low percentage shot the defense wants crawford to take.
not only is crawford a horrible passer, but he’s constantly slowing down an offense. great, you get one or two 50 point games a season with jamal, but has he ever done that, a) for a winning team and b) in the playoffs?? no. defenses are counting on the liklihood that the 50 point game will not come against them 2/82 = 2% chance….and can goad crawford into taking bad shots.
nice guy, can score the basketball, but is not a winner. it’s a great thing crawford is no longer with the Dubs. yes Curry is a better passer, and will be a better team player….
by Brickowski BOOM on Jun 26, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Way
I love Amare as much as everyone. But I would not do the trade. Amare is a beast, but AR is showing he could be our PF
Beans is only 23 and has shown GREAT improvemnt. Why watch him blossom with the Suns along with Curry
Amare is damaged and has gotten injured the last 3 seasons. We should look else where.
by BeReal on Jun 25, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Get Amare while keeping Ellis and AR come on
Id be willing to trade andris,bwright,marco and (acie law)/ would be really tough giving up buike. If that was the tipping point i do it
we get weaker at the SF but our PF becomes star status. I mean picture Monta and Amare running pick and roll with Randolph slashing and morrow spotting up for the trey. This offense would be the scariest thing since the gasol’s family picture.
by Warriorfan on Jun 25, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Amare is a PF. He can play center, has played it on a successful team, but now his body seems to be paying the price. I would rather have Biedrins, because he is a center, he does his job, rebounds/defends. Amare has a big ego, he needs the ball, and is only really valuable for his offense. We got plenty of offense…
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare is the C
When they were highly successful, he was the Center if I believe. That team wasn’t a good defensive team, and we already suck at defense so at least we can outscore them. AR & Amare could be a great combo… Beans is an above average but does get beat easily. He has no post moves, can’t shoot a little and people don’t worry about him. A core of Monta/Amare/Jax/AR is much much better than Monta/Jax/Buike/AR/Beans. We get An All Star and a dominant player down low! BWright/Belli/Beans/Curry For Amare (with contract extension) is a steal for us. We don’t really trade much. The deal is basically Beans & Curry & a couple of bench players for a SUPERSTAR. What is wrong with yall?
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by The Dedication on Jun 25, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Actually the deal wouldn't be that
It would be Belli or Curry and Azubuike. Not worth it
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we trade DOWN on defense and UP on offense?
We already have plenty of offensive firepower. At least Beans plays D.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn’t matter because the deal has already been shot down per D.A. on NBAtv.
Amare isn’t athletic enough to fake playing center anymore – he was never a low post presence & he’s more of a old version Webber/Malone jump shooter now.
still a good deal if Amare came with extension, but in making this deal Phoenix should have no leverage – it would make more sense 2 months later with Acie Law and/or Claxton involved in it.
by homer simpson on Jun 25, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare hasn’t been a center recently because Shaq was there. Before that he was a center, he’s 10 lbs heavier and 1 inch shorter than Biedrins. He doesn’t rebound as well but he’s not awful on the boards and he’s far superior on the offensive end.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need offensive help.
Biedrins has improved every year and has grown up in our system. I just don’t understand how Stoudamire helps us, except on offense, which you have also supported, but we don’t need offensive help.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need a super star on this team
and amare is one of them that is available.
if we can get amare + barnes or earl clark I think we would overall be a better team. Amare is the perfect player for nellie system
Amare + Randolph + jack + ellis is a nasty starting 4
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 25, 2009 9:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hmm,
I would also be more prone to take this deal if we got Clark or Barnes in return. But Phoenix is trying to turn this into a steal by getting 3 potential starters of ours. Throwing in Barnes or Clark works in the contract situation. Maybe if we act like we’re disinterested they’ll remove the request for Buike, which is the best option, or they’ll throw in Barnes/Clark. A suitable second option…
I’m still not convinced Amare and AR is better than AB/AR on the glass or on D. AB is also cheaper, younger, and less injury prone. If Amare goes down for a month or 2 we don’t make the playoffs. If we keep AB and BW and AB goes down for a month or 2, we have still have a decent shot at the playoffs.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare plays no D.
Keep Beans and let AR grow into a better-than Amare PF.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beans isn't really a good defender is he?
AR can still grow, he’s only 19
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by The Dedication on Jun 25, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andris is a decent defender only because he so good on the boards that he limits the opportunities other teams get. He’s not very good as a one on one defender.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point
They’re talking about his defense like it’s game changing
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by The Dedication on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beans protects the paint, and hustles on the defensive end.
That makes him a better defensive player than Amare. Amare wants to be a STAR, not a winner. Beans wants to be a WINNER, not a star… If the star can’t carry the team, then I want the WINNER.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It almost seems like you dislike Amare because he’s and explosive offensive player. You haven’t made anything resembling a logical argument against stoudemire supported by any actual evidence yet…just a bunch of totally false claims like “Amare is only good because of Nash” and others that are totally baseless like “Amare wants to be a star, not a winner.”
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’re totally right that I’m slinging a lot of emotional bull. But bottom line is that I’m not convinced that Amare is the piece that will make this team better. And I’m worried he’ll get injured. And I don’t want to pay him more than $13MM per year.
Amare + Beans makes total sense. But the “upgrade” from Beans to Amare — esp. if we give up Curry and/or Kelenna — isn’t so appealing. I want to add a PF, not swap a center.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don’t you like Randolph at PF? I’d probably be more willing to part with Biedrins than Randolph.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Randolph at PF...
…in two years. By then he’d be bigger than Amare — if he isn’t already. And I concede that it’s interesting to have a 7’ PF playing alongside a 6’10 C. AR could definitely help from the weakside, etc.
I guess I’m just worried about (a) contract, (b) injuries, © egos, (d) what we give up to get him…
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea I think the contract concerns are valid, I’m not sure I’d want to hand him a full length max deal with Jack, Monta and Maggette already on the hook long term with big deals, and I’m not saying I’d give up all of our good young cheap players for Stoudemire either, I’m just saying you were severely underrating his value.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 26, 2009 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beans isn't really a good defender is he?
AR can still grow, he’s only 19
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by The Dedication on Jun 25, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
monta and randolph will both be big name players
we don’t need what most people call a “star”
by dubzfan on Jun 25, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's weird, the poll shows everyone thinks the trade makes us better
but all the comments are against the trade. Do people not have any logical reasons to support the trade? Other than “Oo oo oo, he’s an all-star”
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 9:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
typical warriors trade
trade away half the team to get a player we won’t be able to sign and then have those players come back to beat us a couple times a year.
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
asdf
Dude the Warriors are garbage, are we going to let ROLE players potentially derail a trade for a superstar? You don’t win without superstars in this league. Show me one team thats won without them. With Monta, AR and Amare we potentially have 3 all stars.
by JRich4MVP on Jun 25, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
by MullyHaircutDay! on Jun 25, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like AI, Prince, Sheed, and Rip in Detroit right? Did the Lakers have 3 all-stars? They had a great team though.
Plus Amar’e is really only a superstar/all-star becasue of his offense, we don’t need offensive help. Giving up a better Defensive and rebounding option, plus Azubuike, plus front court depth in Wright doesn’t seem to improve us.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, The Lakers didn't have 3 all-stars
They had the best player in the game and an all-star…. So it balances out…. The rest were role players…. We need help on the blocks. We shoot the ball from the outside and he brings up interior help…. It’s two friggin role players. We’re not giving them that much?!
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by The Dedication on Jun 25, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No were giving up 2 starters, potentially 3.
The lakers had Kobe, way better than anyone on our team, and Gasol, way better than Amar’e. Trading 2 of our starters who will be very crucial on D and in rebounding for one player who is an all star becasue he plays with steve nash and scores does not improve us.
We shoot the ball from outside, sometimes we make sometimes we miss. Andris then rebounds, which he does better than Amar’e
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare
A superstar with bad knees , bad eye and is breaking down more and more every year.
by BeReal on Jun 25, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true
he had a down year, but breaking down more and more every year isn’t true at all.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read the medical diagnoses first. His eye injury is bad news, he might never be the same. Plus, he’s not getting any better; what you see is what you get. The only reason Amare is a star in Phoenix is Nash. Otherwise he’d just be a very-good athletic PF… Who’s our Nash?
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stoudemire was very, very good before Nash arrived in PHX, care to explain?
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His game got better starting his second season. He really broke out after getting Nash though — points raise from 21 to 26. Otherwise, he’s basically a 20-10 guy. That’s what he’d be here, with all our other scorers. Meanwhile, Beans is 12-10 for 6MM less per year, and he hustles on D where we need the most help.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you want to talk points per game he actually had a bigger jump there from his first season to his second season than he did from his second season to his third (when Nash arrived) Why shouldn’t we assume this was based more on a very young Amare continuing to improve rather than just the arrival of Nash?
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The injury is not serious, according to Dr. Schwartz, but could have been.
http://www.nba.com/suns/news/stoudemire_081002.html
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
“Down year”? Dude’s eye almost came out.
The only way I’d pull the trigger on this deal is if the following all occur:
1. S&T. We need a guarantee that he’s not one and done.
2. We don’t give up Buike. For me that is a deal breaker. He’s coming into his own as a swing man in this league and he’s our best perimeter defender.
3. If we give up Stephen Curry, I want more compensation than just Amare, personally- Leandro Barbosa would be a nice companion in the backcourt to Monta.
I would be ok w/:
Biedrins+Marco+Wright FOR Amare
or
Biedrins+Marco+Wright+Curry FOR Amare+Babrobsa (for this one, I would throw in another piece on the Dubs end if Nec., but please not Buike)
We shouldnt feel like we have to make this deal, in fact- I’d feel far more comfortable if we were discussing a trade like this w/ Toronto for Bosh.
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
by bonbrillio on Jun 25, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. I don’t think the Warriors would make the deal without some assurance Amare would be retained.
2.I like Buike, and obviously our willingness to do this deal is dependent upon who else we would need to include with Biedrins….nobody is saying we should give whatever it takes to get him
3.It would be very difficult to find a deal that works financially and would make both teams happy if Barbosa is included.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only thing I agree upon is the contract extension
Up until the proposed trade, everybody was talking about Trade Belli, Trade B-Wright. Now that we trade both of them you guys think they are game changers or something. Buike is a semi-decent defender but nothing spectacular. Give them Curry! We have outside scoring. A team with Monta/Jax/Maggs/AR/Amare/Turiaf/Morrow & a guard is much better than what we have now.
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by The Dedication on Jun 25, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The issue isn't Belli or BWright. It's Beans.
It all gets fuzzy when you throw Beans in. I agree we need a POWER PF, but if we give up our center to get him then what’s the point? We back to being at a disadvantage playing guys out of position…
Curry, Wright, someone else, fine. Curry Wright, Beans, forget it.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stoudemire is as much of a center as Biedrins. The only reason you don’t consider him to be a center is that he spent the last couple years playing next to Shaq. Guess what, Biedrins would be playing PF next to Shaq too.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I consider Beans a valuable big guy because he’s willing to get dirty underneath, he gives 100% every night, and most importantly he’s not a prima donna. He doesn’t demand the ball; he just plays.
The Suns came unraveled because of the ego conflict between Marion and Amare. Are you sure we won’t have similar problems here?
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Stoudemire doesn’t play hard every night then I’m even more impressed by the stats he puts up. I have no problem with a guy who scores as efficiently as Stoudemire demanding the ball and giving fewer shots to Stephen Jackson. Basing personnel decisions on baseless fears of conflict leads to having a not very good team (see the Dunleavy, JRich, Foyle era)
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monta,Jack,Azubuike,Randolph,Stoudamire
Acie Law,Free Agent#1,Player #2,Rob Kurz,Davidson,Cj Watson,Ronny Turiaf,Player #3,Anthony Morrow
bench wont be deep but
We USED to Believe...
WE DEMAND IMPROVEMENT!
by RunNdGun on Jun 25, 2009 9:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If amare goes down for a month or 2
that lack of depth, especially in the front court, kills our playoff hopes.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true,thats why I think trading 5 players for 1 is STUPID
esp when they play an important role on your team.
We USED to Believe...
WE DEMAND IMPROVEMENT!
by RunNdGun on Jun 25, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 players? More like 3.
5 players who play important role for your team because WE SUCK.
Brandan Wright- What role does he play with Randolph emerging as our PF?
Marco Belinelli- What has he done exactly? Having Morrow seems to soften the blow (none) of dealing him.
Kelenna Azubuike-he’s clearly one of the most efficient Warriors we have. His contract is cheap and he’s one of my favorite Warriors.
Stephen Curry- Don’t get me started. Monta – athleticism + 3 pt shot who played mid-majors in college.
Andris Biedrins- Blinded by our previous mediocrity of the center position, Biedrins is overvalued to us as Warrior fans. Don’t get me wrong, I really like Beans. And if I had my choice, I’d deal Monta first and pair a Bosh/Amare with Beans alongside. But that’s not happening.
This deal is essentially Biedrins/Curry/Buike for Amare. Biedrins is not going to get any better. He has NO RANGE outside of 5 feet. He seems to wear down year after year towards the end of the season. Not exactly in health, but as far as being efficient. He still has no post up game. Simply put, he is what he is.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 25, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i’d agree with you on normal terms, but Phoenix has no leverage. i don’t care what politically collect answers Amare is spewing to the media. he isn’t going back to Phoenix b/c they aren’t giving him a max contract. Kerr is desperate to get something for him. this deal should be 2 months later with Claxton & Acie Law.
by homer simpson on Jun 25, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biedrins isn't going to get better. Are you serious? he's only 23
His offensive game may not improve a whole lot, but if he plays on a team with Monta, Morrow, Buike, AR, Maggette, and Jackson, we don’t need a whole lot of offensive help. People just keep pointing out how he is great on offense, we don’t need offensive help. AB is younger, has better health, does not have a blown up ego, and he won’t cost us 19mil a year, that’s what it takes to land Amar’e as well, not worth it.
BWright is 21 he is the same age as Jordan Hill, he’s gonna be good, he’s already had some good games. Plus losing him weakens the depth of our front court severley. When amar’e gets injured for a month or 2 this season, we’d be screwed. AR Ronny, and Maggette playing backup PF, no thanks.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude.
Beans wears down because he’s the only friggin big guy we’ve had who fights it out in the pain for big minutes.
So your plan now is what? To trade him out for Amare, bad-knees and all? Don’t you think Amare will wear down in the same situation? …AND be more injury prone?
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when the 4-14th best players on the team aren’t that much worse than the 1st-3rd then these are the kind of deals you need to be looking for. A 3 for 1 is exactly the kind of deal they should be looking for.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure. For a game-changing player.
Amare isn’t a game-changer. He’s good. I like him. I’d like to pair him with Beans, and I’d trade Monta for him. But not Beans.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then find me a game changing type of player that we could trade for
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t need a game-changer. We need a role-playing PF who can play D, bang, rebound and score when open.
I’ll take David Lee, please.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok what would you give up?
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign-and-Trade
Curry, Claxton, BWright.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want to sign and trade a really good rookie, an expiring contract,
and a guy that can still become a solid player for a role-playing PF who can play D, bang, rebound, and score when open? You basically want Dejuan Blair for all that?
by ZaMzAm FiRe on Jun 26, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't want to trade Beans...
you don’t want to trade Monta, don’t want to trade AR…. Who the hell can we trade than? This is a good deal and we need to do something! Amare for 3 players is not a bad deal
GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens
by The Dedication on Jun 25, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it definite that
its only going to be those 3 players
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, It'd be 5
but I wont include Bwright or Belli because they will go to PHX & Start, they will do exactly what they are doing here…. Comin off the bench….Curry or Belli /Beans/Buike For Amare
Starters
Monta
Jax or Morrow
Maggs or Jax
AR
Amar’e
With bench of Morrow or Maggs, Turiaf, & Belli… Add a player to the depth chart & call it a day
GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens
by The Dedication on Jun 26, 2009 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 my bad Curry or Belli/Beans/BWright/Buike for Amare
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by The Dedication on Jun 26, 2009 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they are asking buike and curry
i say no. the thought of curry, morrow and buike on the floor at the same time taking turns shooting 3’s is something i want to see. they could be the top 3 3pt shooters in the nba next year who needs rebounding.
be the change you wish to see in the world.
by Rach on Jun 25, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wth does Kerr have on Riley?? doesn’t Riley realize that the Suns have no leverage?
plus he’s currently injured (is his eye okay?) with questionable knees.
by homer simpson on Jun 25, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn, I wrote this post forgetting about his eye and knees
that makes me even more against this trade.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Big benefit of Beans: he’s not an injury-prone big guy.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stats
2005-2006 He got injured…. Lets See How He Following Surgury
Year Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
2006–07 Phoenix 82 78 32.8 .575 .000 .781 9.6 1.0 .9 1.3 20.4
2007–08 Phoenix 79 79 33.9 .590 .161 .805 9.1 1.5 .8 2.1 25.2
Knees aren’t givin him that much of a problem are they?
GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens
by The Dedication on Jun 25, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm
i see amar’e turning into a vince carter type, a guy who misses alot of games and becomes more and more of a jumpshooter as he ages. at his best, he’s a top 10 player in the league, but who honestly believes his best days are ahead of him? Factor in the money he would require in a new contract, and all the pieces the suns want for him, i just don’t see it working.
as for curry, i don’t really expect alot out of him. but i do like the pick, because they took a chance on a guy with one excellent, god given skill, instead of going for any number of average/project point guards who all had one major fault (oh, they can’t shoot). he was also forced to become the best scorer in the ncaa in order for his team to do well, and he did just that, and as the point guard, in which he did fairly well. beyond all that i think he’s a smart player.
as far as the W’s possibly trading a bunch of role players for amare…they are all too young to be considered role players, and they will all get better in the next few years, i am pretty sure of that.
by polishpaul on Jun 25, 2009 9:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Vince is 32.... Amare is 26
Beans is 23…. And you can’t compare Vince, a guard, to Amare, a foward. Carter can’t jump out the jump gym like he used to because of his knees and age. Amare is 6 years younger and has been good. I guarentee he will regulate now that Shaq isn’t clogging up the lane.
GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens
by The Dedication on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a bit disappointed
I was hoping that more people who disagreed with me would talk this trade up and make me feel better in case it does go down. But no one is really saying anything outta the usual “he’s an all-star.” Which is true and I agree he should be, but once again, he’s an all-star for his offense, not his D or rebounding. We don’t need any offensive help, but D and rebounding need improvement, this trade seems to be a set back in regard to those 2
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 9:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Again, he’s also an all-start because of STEVE NASH. Marion looks a lot more mediocre playing for other teams, doesn’t he?
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
That’s why I don’t like this trade. BWright and Maggette plus future picks and cash, I consider this. But even so, we don’t need Amare, 2 years ago we did. Now we have AR, beast! And even BW has potential to be a very good, maybe great PF.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would never take Maggette
His contract is cancer- the main point of dumping Amare would be financial and to rebuild.
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
by bonbrillio on Jun 25, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry...
really can’t say BW has potential to be a maybe great PF.
He’s rail thin and still needs to grow some balls even before he’s good.
He’ll be relegated under the column “oozing with potential” for a long, long, very long time.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 25, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats just simply false. look at his pre-nash/post-nash numbers before making ridiculous claims like that
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, he had ONE good season per-Nash.
Look, I know he’s good. But, again, he doesn’ CARRY a team. I’m not convinced he’s a “give the ball to Amare and he’ll do it at the end” kinda player. And for 15MM, in this economy, he damn well better be that kind of player. Otherwise, give me back Baron.
If we trade Beans and Amare blows out his knees or goes blind I’ll… well, I don’t know what I’ll do. I’ll cry.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. He only played 2 seasons pre-Nash
2. Those seasons were played when he was 18 and 19 years old
3. Look at his per min numbers, both seasons were pretty good. He averaged more points per minute his first year in the league than Biedrins ever has.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can efficiently score points in way that Biedrins can’t. He’s a beter player than Biedrins.
Right. Better players. We need those.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have me on FG%
I didn’t realize he had such a high %.
Can we get him without trading Kelenna?
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't Boozer
be cheaper and similar numbers
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i like bukie
give up any1else or even jackson, not bukie
by bizz 192 on Jun 25, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would MUCH rather have Bosh
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
by Azmanz on Jun 25, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000
!
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
by bonbrillio on Jun 25, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reported deal from ESPN was
Amare for AB/BWright/Marco
those 3 no buike and no 7th. Depending on which writer you read its a different trade how many would do that deal?
by Warriorfan on Jun 25, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sounds better
but still worried Amare will leave after one year
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're reportedly in contract discussions with him.
We won’t do the trade unless he is here for a few years. Keeping Buike is better. But losing BWright hurts our front court depth. Plus AB is a better defender and rebounder, which is what we need.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stoudemire is a better player, that is what we need. I love Biedrins but if its only him, Wright and Marco going to the Suns its a no-brainer for us.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd probably do it if Buike wasn't included too
but he is, that’s why its too much. Losing BWright does hurt our front court depth, although we can make up with it via free agency, so I could live with that. Belli is dispensable with the addition of Curry.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a Randolph/Amare 4/5 combo isn’t bad on the boards at all.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
amare averaged 9.5 rpg 2 seasons before shaq came on an average of 33 mpg. Thats not as good as biedrins but its by no means al harrington, its good. If randolph rebounds wa he did last season next to him, we are find on boards…
by tafkasam on Jun 25, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except with Biedrins we are better. Plus buike is our best rebounding and defensive guard
It’s simple, do we wanna sacrifice D, rebounding and depth for one offensive minded big man? No we don’t. Offense is not a problem of the Golden State Warriors.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT D? WHAT D?
WE GAVE UP 112 A GAME? HOW MUCH WORSE COULD IT POSSIBLY GET?!?!
GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens
by The Dedication on Jun 26, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds a lot like
the kevin garnett situation a couple years ago
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 9:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
david alridge...
just said that the Amare trade to the warriors was not going to happen… On NBA TV..
TL32
by brandanwright#1fan on Jun 25, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
because amare wont settle for nothing less than a max deal that would be 5yr at 95+mil. He also said the warriors arent willing to pay that much, so the warriors are considering other options at this point…
TL32
by brandanwright#1fan on Jun 25, 2009 9:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
other options...
like turning around to Toronto and offering the same for Bosh?
Better deal anyways- dude’s at least got healthy eyes.
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
by bonbrillio on Jun 25, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
imo
we need to dump our surplus of shooting guards even if it means to sign amare…
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 9:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that is a pressing issue
esecially considering a bunch of shooting guards isn’t gonna get you amare
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WATCH NBA TV!!!!!!
They are breaking down each teams draft picks…. David Alridge is saying that Amare/Warrior trade not going to happen. According to his sources he is now saying Amare wants to stay in Phoenix to play under Gentry.
I for one am happy because we keep our young guys with promise. I for one think Amare is got 2 good years left!!!!!
TL32
by brandanwright#1fan on Jun 25, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who gives a crap about "Potential"
“Potential” doesn’t do crap for our team. We need established guys, that can play to win right now! We’ve been way too optimistic about players and always thinking that they will breakthrough at some point, but honestly who knows if or when that will happen.
I’m tired of potential crap, it doesnt = winning. WINNING is the main priority, not potential. If we had a team full of potential (i.e. Memphis, Minnesota, OKC, etc) it means crap. If you want to see another 10 yrs without playoffs then keep the current team. If you want a chance to make it next yr and have even a slim shot at winning the Finals then make a trade for Amare.
The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!
by ballin on Jun 25, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and have even a slim shot at winning the Finals
edited it for you.
by homer simpson on Jun 25, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
you make it seem like if we are trading for a KG type of player. Amare will not take us no where. Yes he is an all star but by no way is he someone that can take you anywhere far in the playoffs. If that was the case he would’ve done that in phoenix.
Im sorry but Amare to me is a big ? just because of his durability and lack of defense.
TL32
by brandanwright#1fan on Jun 25, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we wouldn't be able to afford
any other players, he was asking for max deal 5 years 95 million
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not true.... it makes us worse
with such a lineup that you are projecting what about the bench. You dont go far without a solid bench. If the trade for Amare goes down we are basiclly starting from zero trying to restructure our bench.
TL32
by brandanwright#1fan on Jun 25, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This trade makes us worse...
The Warriors might score more with Amare, but they will be even worse at THE critical stat: rebound differential.
Teams that win a lot of games and go deep in the playoffs typically have a rebound differential of +2.0 or higher. And teams with rebound differentials of -2.0 or higher typically find themselves scouting for the Lottery.
Last year, the Warriors had a rebound differential of over -400, or over -5.0 per game. Adding Amare while giving up Biedrins is not going to close the rebounding gap; in fact, it will probably make it worse when factoring in all the other pieces we’re giving up.
If the W’s have to make a trade that involves giving up some of the core players, or taking on a player of questionable means, i’d rather see something like Ellis for David Lee (if he can be had @9m/yr), or even Maggette/Claxton for Zach Randolph (probably get ridiculed for this but Randolph’s deal expires in 2011 when AR contract comes up, and it eliminates Maggette’s contract).
by StJ on Jun 25, 2009 10:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't really talk about
adding Amare and affecting the rebound differential, and then speak of adding Zach Randolph.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
The ZRandolph thing is purely to shed Maggette’s long term deal and free up money to resign AR. I doubt Cohen would do something like this though if Claxton’s salary is getting paid by the insurance company.
by StJ on Jun 25, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love the deal if it's to free up Bad Porn's deal...
But just the thought of Z-Bo on our team… Ugh.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 25, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am hoping this trade does not go down....
because I for one prefer the product that is on the court compared to all we have to give up for a player who may score more but wont play a lick of defense and rebound the ball. People here also have to factor the position Amare would be playing here, that is Center. He already is not a great rebounder with no heart on D, now imagine him trying to box out other larger and stronger Centers.
Remember people offense does not win rings, defense will always take you deep in the playoffs….
TL32
by brandanwright#1fan on Jun 25, 2009 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
amare played center all before the last 2 years
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't say defense will always take you deep in the playoffs.
That doesn’t matter ONE BIT with Don Nelson here as head coach.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 25, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
Because we’re not going to make the playoffs with Don Nelson, or because Don Nelson has such an incredible track record going deep into the playoffs with his offense-centric style?
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a reason Nellie's been in the
league for 30 somethin years and has yet to win a title. Yet, he’s going to win it with
Marco Belinelli, Brandan Wright, and Stephen Curry and the rest of the this roster.
Again, it’s not about making it to the playoffs. It’s about winning an NBA Championship and STARS with a good supporting cast wins NBA championships.
Not Role players with supporting role players.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 26, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this trade happens (i doubt though)
startung 5 would be:
PG:Monta
SG:Jack
SF:Maggette
PF:AR
C:Amar’e
how many assists this lineup would get per game ? ….umm 3 maybe
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Jun 25, 2009 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Monta and Jack would easily avg. 4-5
assists per game. Maggette would still come off the bench.
I HIGHLY doubt Belinelli AND Wright AND Azubuike AND Curry are all part of the deal.
Ideally Azubuike isn’t included and he continues to start at SF.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 25, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what you suggesting
to do with marco, kelenna, morrow, watson, law IV, ellis, curry and claxton (IR)??? why not none of which have made an impact as Amare…
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
its evident this summer that gm’s around the league want to lower there payroll. having players like acie, claxton, marco, etc have a greaT value this offseason. I personally would trade them for impact players that are excellent defennders. I really dont think we need stars to make us win, hell I doubt we will even make the playoffs with Amare anyway.
TL32
by brandanwright#1fan on Jun 25, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with our
perimeter players with amare, half court spacing the floor it will make a big difference!!!
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
any suggestions?
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not going to happen
Robert Rowell is still there
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we have a surplus of
friggin guards…. what do you guys want??? last year we had the same issue… and if we continue to do the same next year, we will have the same result…
honestly, monta will not save this team if he played the entire season!
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 10:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just all talk again
just like KG, Gasol, Elton Brand, Gilbert Arenas, Chris Bosh
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not really because other coaches are smart enought to realize they both are to small for that position. Don nelson just hasn’t gotten the memo yet….
TL32
by brandanwright#1fan on Jun 25, 2009 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ric Bucher TWEETS:
For those who didn’t watch the telecast – all freakin’ 84 hours – the Amare trade is expected to get done after July 8, when FA period opens
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 25, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you...
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly David Aldridge just said on NBA TV the Warriors and Amar'e nixed the trade
Because the Warriors don’t want to sign Amar’e to the Max. Smart move, supisingly, Amar’e is not worth 19 mil a year.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
I thought it was called off, according to David Aldridge? SO whats the deal?
Is it a yes or no?
by sharpness609 on Jun 25, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guarantee ....
that any defensive minded coach would have this team in the playoffs this year. With all our length and atheleticism we would be beastly on that side of the floor. The problem is that Nellie values only offense therefore is you are great defensively but not great on offense he trades you. Sad to see….
TL32
by brandanwright#1fan on Jun 25, 2009 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it was callled off
According to David Aldridge on NBA TV he said the trade was off because Amare wanted the max. The negotiations were far off, so Golden State was going to look elsewhere..
TL32
by brandanwright#1fan on Jun 25, 2009 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i hope we make the trade
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rowell is too
cheap for this to work
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO.
So we shouldn’t be anxious waiting for the Headline Breaking News: Warriors trade for Amare, now right?
by sharpness609 on Jun 25, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a good thread..
I still stand pat, while Amar’e is a better player than AB it is only because of his offense. Plus, I would rather have AB as my Center, Amar’e as a PF, yeah. If I was gonna build around one, Amar’e. But we are giving up waaay too much for a guy who’s only major contribution is on offense. We all can agree he helps the starting 5 offensively, but this trade makes the overall team worse. No debate there, Amar’e is not worth it.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what r we really giving up?
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much cap room to an injury prone guy we want to play out of position.
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
but just to clarify
Beans+Marco+BWright and a contract extension at $15MM and I think I’m in…
by b.radley on Jun 26, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
2 starters, who would both start for Phoenix. A solid backup PF and another guard, plus we’d have to pay him the max, more than he’s worth. We’re giving up a lot for one player. He’s not Kobe, he’s not LeBron, DWight, he’s definitely not KG or Duncan, he’s not even Gasol. He’s not worth the max or all the players we’re giving up.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what happens when....
you mix a D-leaguer, an erratic scoring italian, over achieving latvian???
an all, pro all star PF/C
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
winning is a premium
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a premium that
a lot of teams are trying to get out of
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the bay area
the premium is missing… the fans are there and not the issue, the winning isnt
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah bcuz our team president
doesn’t want to spend money
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he's willing...
we should pick up amare
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for 19mil a year
Amar’e just wanted to sucker us into that cuz he knows we’re stupid and he won’t get that elsewhere. We’re not that desperate.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re not that desperate.
uhhhh………. other than the Clippers who is more desperate than us?
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
T'wolves, wack draft.
Wizards, OKC, Sac, Philly, Detroit even, theirs a few more like the bucks. I don’t know if you were being sarcastic, but what makes us desperate? If we had signed Amar’e to the max, I would call us desperate
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
one playoff appearance in 15 years. The Maggette signing. The Jackson extension. These things don’t scream desperation to you?
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 26, 2009 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how
does keeping the squad we had last season help us win?
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I didn’t see them play one game fully healthy where all the key players played, no one did. We were so broken last year we don’t even know what this team can do…
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly...
as many guards or “point guards” we have dripping off the bench, it wont make a difference!!!
if marco and kelenna are gone, morrow can get his burn! with AR, turiaf and amare on rotation is a stacked front court rotation!
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except when Amar'e goes down for a month or 2, like he always does,
Plus he’s not worth the 19mil a year he wants
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude all he brings is offense
we don’t need that.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cap-space jail.
another unmovable “asset”
by b.radley on Jun 25, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's only an all-star for one part of his game
a part that won’r improve us overall, and he only looks that good with Nash. Like b.radley said, Marion was an all star next to nash, now? not so much.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we can keep curry
and get amare???
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone who is in favor of this trade just makes the same points
1)“Amar’e is better than Biedrins”, of course he is. But the trade isn’t Amar’e for Biedrins.
2)“We’re not giving up too much, he’s an ALL-STAR” and we all agree, he’s an all-star for his offense, we don’t need offense (Steve Nash plays a part in that). We need rebounding and D.
AB is better at those things, Buike is our best rebounding guard and one of our best defending guards, plus we would all prefer Maggette as the 6th man. He’ll start if this trade is made. We get one player better than Biedrins of offense, but we mess up the rest of the lineup, and commit more money than Amar’e is worth, for 5 years as well.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
amare is a lo post scorer...
meaning half court, offensive rebounds and running the floor… who else can do that and make all pro and all star???
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DWight, KG, Pau to name a few
who I would all rather have. Once again, you cite his offense, we don’t need that kind of help.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are they on our team???
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No GM would trade them
Go back up to my post for the “Defense” Beans plays. And yes, we do need inside help… All of our scorers are guards. And Dont say AR b/c he is not established yet. He brings no double teams or mismatch problems like Amare does
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by The Dedication on Jun 26, 2009 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
myk, give it up
You continually sit here and post none stop as if you own the team:
I’m sick of seeing you try to nix every deal but some hair brain one you come up with :)
it’s not your damm money so what;s it to you?
Were going to get either Amare or Boch so deal with it =)
by ForestGrump on Jun 25, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhh yeaah
bosh is not a bad option either
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't ever proposed a deal
because I can’t think of a deal that would feasibly improves our team with out killing our bank. It’s not my money but we’ll all bitch when we don’t have enough to sigh AR or whoever. How does gaining Amar’e while losing Azubuike, Biedrins, and Wright make us better?
We suck on defense and in rebounding, losing Buike and AB severely weakens that. All Amar’e does is help our offense, which doesn’t need help. This trade makes us worse defensively, worse on the boards, and we add another injury prone player with a bloated contract. Oh wise Forest Grump, please explain how this makes us better?
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't ever proposed a deal
ROTFL -) I wonder why heheeh, you to busy nixing everyone else =)
by ForestGrump on Jun 25, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I just told you why, that was foolish of you.
I literally said why I didn’t propose a deal, but you ignored it. Just like this deal it doesn’t make us better.
And once again, you don’t answer any of my questions, you just respond immaturely with some lame attack.
So once again care to explain how this trade makes us better, other than the fact that he helps our offense, which doesn’t need help?
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny the Jet
(maybe in response to Bucher) also tweets:
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 25, 2009 11:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
please be true
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we get amare
i hope the haters accept him
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
now now
not hating on Amare this is a discussion and just weighing in on pros and cons. Love to have him just worrying about the price
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry bout that
i understand… there arent any haters but passionate GSW fans… but bro’ can you imagine if we had lo post scoring threat???
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all complain about Don Nelson going for offense
this is what this is. This just sacrifices a bunch of good young players who play D and rebound for an offensive minded guy. Typical Nellie move
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I will take Amnare @ 95 mill -) nnot my money:
But i would rather have Bosh
by ForestGrump on Jun 25, 2009 11:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
See because I am a Warriors FAN
I understand that this money directley affects the outcome of this team for this year and years to come. Locking up Amar’e for that kind of money hurts us.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good read ray ratto
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/25/SPDH18E30A.DTL
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
why did the twolves grab 3 pgs?
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by gogomaplata on Jun 25, 2009 11:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does it improve?
Are you kidding me? Besides Tim Duncan who is a better PF in the NBA? Excuse me Pau Gasol? lol Wait wait… Chris Bosh? lol Wait wait…. Dirk Nowitzki? Ok maybe….
He is 1st Team All-NBA. He is All-Star every year. He is a machine in scoring. Tim Duncan is afraid of him. Defense?
Ok if you are a Warrior fan you know the style we play here. I know we got some bomb ganja in the Bay Area, but put it down for a minute and hear me out:
WE WILL NEVER BE A GREAT DEFENSIVE TEAM. THAT ILLUSION IS WHAT MURDER/DEATH/KILLED THE PHOENIX SUNS. OK? GOT IT? OK Continuing…
What he does is present coaches all over the NBA an insane matchup issue…
Stephen Jackson can distribute inside really well…. Randolph is super long on the interior for offensive rebounds, Monta Ellis (now healthy) is a nightmare to cover off the dribble (lots of easy assists to Amare), he will command the double team (if Tim Duncan cant cover him 1 on 1, NO ONE CAN) Anthony Morrow anyone? No one on the Warriors right now commands a double team. Also, you have to throw in the fact that he runs the floor and is one of the top finishers if not the top in the league….
Couple that with a 100% committed running team and you sir/ladies have a match made in heaven, and my personal dream come true.
Oh and if you see what is happening to the Phoenix self destruction, I think you will further understand the great job that Robert Rowell is doing with the team, in these tough economic times we have been given hope, and an extremely entertaining team with TERRIFIC upcoming season ticket prices.
If you need me, I will be outside lighting a candle, and praying to jesus/allah wtf religious gods, or tiki gods, or lucky shoes whatever to make sure this happens.
HITS GSW BELIEVE HORN
GET ON BOARD BABY
by sjboy on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Amar'e is worth a Max contract.
He’s not a top 5 big man. Yes I can name 5 that are better, KG, Tim Duncan, DWight, Pau, psh even boozer is better
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where would you rank
Biedrins among those big men?
KG = 33 coming off major knee surgery.
Duncan= 33 yr. old winner heading into the latter stages of his career
Dwight and Pau, I’ll agree with. Definitely not Boozer.
Amare’s 26. Let me ask you one question. What’s more likely?
Being able to trade for Amare and have him sign an extended contract
OR
Being able to lure a big name FA here in free agency and sign a max-contract.
Given our FA history, I’ll go with the former.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 26, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha that's not relevant, we're not trading Biedrins for Amare straight up
by myk on Jun 26, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not relevant?
Brandan Wright and Marco Belinelli are relevant?
Give me a break.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Phil
Myk just give it up, you have an opinion, and I respect that, but its 100% flawed homie.
by sjboy on Jun 26, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is it flawed, other than improving our offense, which doesn't need much help,
how does Amar’e improve our team? Especially in the areas of Defense and rebounding which are our weaknesses. Don’t think of Amar’e vs Biedrins in terms of Defense and Rebounding, think of it as Amare vs Biedrins and Azubuike in defense and rebounding, because that’s what we’re giving up
by myk on Jun 26, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yo!!
You sound like a broken record m8ty, say something positive for one,
Repeat after me: Amare is Da Man !!
by ForestGrump on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am positive
that’s why I don’t want to make this trade. I am very optimistic that our team will be competing for the playoffs without this trade. You’re not, be positive….
by myk on Jun 26, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Competing for the playoffs should not be the end goal
It’s what this Warriors FO has tricked every single fan to be drooling for.
AIM for the playoffs. AIM for a first round exit. 1 playoff appearance in 15 seasons is pure example of it.
You don’t compete with mediocre role players like Wright/Belinelli.
It’s been proven. You need stars in this league. A superstar surrounded by potential stars/all-stars. Andris Biedrins. Brandan Wright. Marco Belinelli. None of those guys are all-stars.
The ultimate goal is an NBA Championship. Something more achievable with a Monta+Randolph+Amare core. Notice I said CORE. You can add better complementary pieces than Wright and Belinelli or even Curry.
Let’s not be in limbo anymore. Winning 40 games and missing the playoffs altogether.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 26, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was a preacher ..
I would put my hand on your forehand and yell out to the sky “FIRE, FIRE MY CHILD”
You sir get it. Do me a favor… tomorrow gather as many people as you can in a circle, and preach.
IF that doesnt work, just please walk around and come into contact with as many people as you can, only good can come out of this.
by sjboy on Jun 26, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree. We have been forced to settle for mediocrity.
Whether we get Amar’e or not doesn’t make us into a contender, we’d be lucky to get to the playoffs with this trade. If Amar’e defies probablility and stays healthy, we’ll have the same odds as the current roster. If you disagree, explain? Cuz I don’t know what the current roster is capable of, never seen them play together.
by myk on Jun 26, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I love Amar'e, as a PF
and not for 19 mil a year. If you add Amar’e with the lineup we have, the one with Buike, this trade is pretty cool. But not for 19 mil a year, Amar’e is not worth that.
by myk on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude !!
Let the Warrioes decided how much to pay the man: afterall it’s their $ not yours =)
by ForestGrump on Jun 26, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
How many 1st team all NBAs has Boozer made? All-Star teams? How many times has Boozer score 40? 50?
Dwight Howard is a Center. Amare has been playing PF smart guy. He is a hybrid. Pau Gasol, now I just cant anything you post seriously. LOL KG? Ok, I guess you got me there, but Amare at his age has done a TON more then KG did at his age. PLease argue that.
by sjboy on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing people bring up is Amar'e's offense
Jamal scored 50. I LOVE Amar’ for his offense, we don’t need his offense, plus I feel he’ll be taking away from AR
by myk on Jun 26, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
There is Jamal’s 50, and then there is Amare’s 50.
Have you seen his type of offense? Dunks, 60%+ shots, rythym offense, select jump shots, put backs etc…
Jamal? 3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3, jump shot, jump shot, jump shot, no passing, dribble, dribble…
Why do you think they CLOWNED Kobe the season he scored 81, and avg 35ppg? Because thats how he scored alot, he had the ball alot, and shot it alot and didnt trust his teammates.
Amare is a whole other animal, he gets points off set plays, and dish and drive, and did I mention he is one of the best PICK AND ROLL Big men in the NBA?
WHo rolls the pick and roll in our team?
CRICKETS
Exactly..
Listen I got atleast one more hour, keep talking to me, I will have you singing, and I am quoting the great Dean Martin (I am sure a HUGE Warriors fan)
In Oakland where love is king
When gsw fan meets an awesome PF here’s what they say
When the moon hits you eye like a big pizza pie
That’s Amar’e!
When the world seems to shine like you’ve had too much wine
That’s Amar’e!"
You know it buddy. I am here for you, in the end we are family.
HELP ME, HELP YOU!
by sjboy on Jun 26, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deal I wanted someone to convince me of this trade, I'm glad you're down,
Are biggest problem as a team defense/rebounding, agree or disagre? just say agree or disagree that all I wanna know. We need baby steps cuz rants aren’t helping us.
by myk on Jun 26, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebounding?Yes
Defense… that all depends…
Amare helps rebounding. Randolph in the starting lineup will also help rebounding. Is Amare a better rebounder then Biedrins? Debatable.
The thing is those 2 things you are speaking of get deleted when you insert a player like Amare because he causes so many problems the entire game, that their center/pfs will be on the bench in foul trouble, therefor their crappy rebounders will enter the game (rebounding erased), and were fine. Biedrins god bless him cant do that, and dudes can chill on him on offense, and stay in the game for as long as their body allows them too, and that means alot of offensive rebounds for them.
We are horrible on giving up second chance pts.
That answer your question?
See my other post about defense. You just have to be ok with that. People are ok with teams being horrible on offense, and great on defense why not the ladder?
Had not Steve “I LOVE THE SPURS” Kerr come into Phoenix and destroyed them I am a firm believer D’Antoni would have eventually won a championship with Phoenix.
Leave it to Don Nelson to finish the job baby.
by sjboy on Jun 26, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despite the fact that I hate the Spurs style of play, defense with minimal offense has won championships
the reverse has never happened. That’s just the truth. Is Andris a better rebounder than Amar’e? I’d say yes, plus he’s younger. Biedrins has improved every year, he should improve this year. Is he as good as? Amar’e no. Let me just say this, if Azubuike is not included in the deal, he is our best rebounding guard, and he plays good D, and we can get amar’e for less than the max, I’m down. It’s not Andris vs Amar’e, its Azubuike in the lineup and Andris vs Amar’e.
I’m also scared that Amar’e will affect AR’s game, AR with AB is forced to be our beast down low, with Amar’e he’s just a compliment. Explain why I shouldn’t be concerned with these things?
by myk on Jun 26, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude...
I am trying to help you, but you keep bringing up things that dont make sense…
You are saying these better rebounders, better defenders etc. etc..
ok sure, so why does Amare light up Biedrins every game he plays against GSW?
With Buike and Biedrins how come we have the worst defense in the league?
Seriously, this should seal the deal. If it doesnt for you, then I wish you luck in the rest of your endeavors. You are basically looking through a window, and are telling me you are not seeing anything. I can’t break the window for you.
by sjboy on Jun 26, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well for one Buike won't be playing anymore PF, which he did a lot.
He’s a good rebounder but not against PF’s. Losing Buike and Biens is a a slight negative on D, not a huge one, but slight.
In terms of Defense if AR played the way he did at the end of the season and Buike played the 3 and Jack the 2, our D would’ve been way better, That didn’t happen, so it’s whatever. Rebounding wins posessions if Biedrins is not a better rebounder than Amar’e, which is debatable, I bet you he will be next year. Is it a guarantee? No. Is Amar’e returning to his old self considering his knee and his eye a guarantee? No.
All I can say is that I am not opposed to the trade I just see it as sort of a lateral move, not necessarilly a step back, but not really a step forward, and that’s with Azubuike not involved. I guess we’ll see what happens. I just don’t know about 19 mil for 5 years, seems steep
by myk on Jun 26, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fools gold
They were still giving up over 110 pts at the end of the season. So scratch that entire paragraph about playing better D.
Its just absolutely unbelievable how people can think that adding a top 5 talent in the league to our team, who blows monkey nutsacks right now is a bad idea.
Absolutely unbelievable, and then people wonder why we have been so bad for so long.
Its like you are so used to losing, you are pissed its going to stop. lol
by sjboy on Jun 26, 2009 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last season was a fluke.
1)injuries
2)Nellie didn’t figure out his best lineup til this offseason. The lineup I’m talking about didn’t start one game last year. The one I posted above. That is our best defensive lineup and our best rebounding lineup. Plus, it still scores plenty of points.
3) We’re not adding a top 5 NBA talent
4) I’m pissed about losing, I’m pissed about us always making bad moves. This is not necesarilly a bad move, it is a lateral move. It is an upgrade on offesne, no question, but that’s the only upgrade.
5) I’m very very worried Amar’e is going to take away from AR’s production on the offensive end. With Biedrins there AR is forced to be our low post offensive beast, which I guarantee you he is pumped for. I’m sure he’ll do well too. AR is going to be the NBA’s most improved player next year without this trade. With it, I’m not so sure.
6)I feel the Warriors are only tempted to make this trade because of who Amar’e is, they’re worried this is the only way/time they can get him, and no one like that comes to the Bay. They’re hesitant because they really really like this team, they know they’re special and that last season wasn’t a good gage for their potential success. They’re afraid of trading away more talent then they get back. All reasons that make me hesitant as well
7) I think they sould play a month or 2 of the season and see how everything goes, the Amar’e trade will still be there, they should just wait and see how needed it is.
8)I probably won’t list things with numbers like this again
by myk on Jun 26, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sjboy
I think if you told myk you loved the color green he would tell us how green don’t compare with blue =)
If you said you said you hated Amare and din’t want him he would be telling you that you just don;t know talent =)
by ForestGrump on Jun 26, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's silly. I just don't understand how this trade improves us overall, so I'd like to understand
by myk on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We didn't have any interior scoring at all
Buike is a good role player. Beans doesn’t bring any kind of offensive game to the team inside because all he does is put backs. He has no go to moves and teams do not see him as a threat. Amare will bring multiple defenders and that can help spread the floor to Monta, Jax, Morrow & Curry. So in a way we are like the Magic….. Except we don’t have great 3pt shooters & Not a defensive presence in the paint like Howard… But How many teams do have a defensive presence in the league? Beans is not a good defender because defenders walk all over him. Beans does get boards but we don’t really lose anything by replacing Beans with Amare. Beans is often in foul trouble so he really stays on the bench a lot. Amare finds a way to stay on the court more. Beans also cannot shoot free throws at all. Amare on the other hand, shoots above 75% since he entered the league so if he def is an upgrade in that department. The only thing that Amare isn’t better than Beans is rebounds… They both are not great on D. So if your deciding factor for Beans is his defense, than find another reason since he gets dominated by every foward & center that he plays.
Remember when people were like we suck when it comes to half court? Amare DRASTICALLY helps in that department. When you have someone you can feed in the paint, it automatically helps others around him. (Look @ the Suns before Shaq)….
Now people are talking about we want a team capable of making the finals. Get real, we’ve been to the playoffs once in 15 years. We aren’t going to turn a team who won less than 30 games into title contenders. We have to make baby steps. Just because the Celtics did it, doesn’t mean we can. The Celtics already had an all-star, than they added another all-star, than landed a superstar. That happens once every century. Are you telling me you wouldn’t be satisfied with the Warriors, the team who has had one playoffs apperance in 15 years, if they made it to the playoffs 2-3 times in a row? That would bring the moral in the Bay way up. You have to accept that we are not a team who is ready to become a title contender so becoming a playoff team should be the first goal. Than after that, we could add more pieces to make the team better. But if you really want to win now, you can just wait until 2010 when LeBron arrives I guess and he carries the team by himself…. O wait, that was just my mind playing tricks on me again
GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens
by The Dedication on Jun 26, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one said finals
They said with Amare its not neverland, its something you can actually plan for.
As in free agents will want to come here and play with Amare. Versus Biedrins. OUtside of California, or northern california no one knows who beans is.
by sjboy on Jun 26, 2009 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, some of them were saying we want finals
not you sjboy
GSOM- Where Education From Debate Happens
by The Dedication on Jun 26, 2009 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow sounds
like a commercial for season tickets
by hawk0924 on Jun 25, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not implying Amar'e isn't good, he's better than any of our big men, but
he’s not worth a Max contract or the proposed deal with Buike, or worse, both.
by myk on Jun 25, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs