RECAP: Warriors' 2009 NBA Draft Day - Stephen Curry & Amar'e?
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 26, 2009 11:12 AM PDT
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What a day! What a day!
If you haven't been around a computer, television, radio, or friends in the last 24 hours, here's a quick recap. At #7 in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Warriors drafted Davidson guard, Stephen Curry, son of Dell Curry. They had no 2nd round pick. Also, the Dubs are heavily rumored to be involved in a trade of Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright, and Marco Belinelli for Amare Stoudemire. Some rumors have Kelenna Azubuike and Stephen Curry included.
Even if you don't agree with the moves, you at least had a little fun watching, waiting, anticipating the what the Warriors would do.
GSOM was going crazy yesterday, I don't know when the last time we had that many comments in a single day. We had a lot of comments on the OPEN THREAD: Pre-NBA Draft, every pick prior to #7, #1 Blake Griffin, #2 Hasheem Thabeet, #3 James Harden, #4 Tyreke Evans, #5 Ricky Rubio, and #6 Jonny Flynn, the Warriors own pick, the 7th pick Stephen Curry, the rest of the first round, and a recap of the Warriors day plus 2nd round coverage. Whew!
There were a few thoughts and hopes swirling in the back of my mind as the day went on. Hit the jump for some thoughts or check out what others are writing across the WWW.
1) Stephen Curry
I had gone back and forth on my desire to draft Brandon Jennings or Stephen Curry. In yesterday's poll, Who do you want the Warriors to draft in the 2009 NBA draft?, I chose Jennings. I had buyer's remorse as I lay my head to pillow last night. I wanted Curry instead. I even went so far as trying to figure out how I could change my vote since I figured an admin could do it, no luck. I didn't want Jordan Hill either, I just don't think he's going to be that great - 2nd best PF in the draft but it's a weak PF class, strong G class. Jennings is too raw. How many more projects do we need? A PG who might be good in 3 years? Naw, give me the guy who's proven he can deliver on college's biggest stage, the NCAA tournament. One of the better passers amongst all guards in the draft. Best shooter in the draft. Knows how to run a team as he did at Davidson.
So as Minnesota took Jonny Flynn with the 6th pick, there was Curry sitting in the green room and me hoping the Warriors would take him. We got the guy I wanted. Feels good since that hasn't happened in a long time. It was even more satisfying that we screwed over the Knicks. The boos from the Knick fans made the pick that much more sweet.
Will he be Rookie of the Year as Dick Vitale suggests? I don't think so. Either Dicky V was factoring in the curse of the Clippers for Blake Griffin or he's out of his mind by picking anyone over BG.
I guess the question is, will Curry remain a Warrior?
2) Amar'e Stoudemire aka STAT
One of the things I'll remember about the CME, Chris Mullin Era, is that the Warriors were always linked to big names in trades or free agency, Baron Davis, Kevin Garnett, Elton Brand, Gilbert Arenas. The NBA is entertainment and I was entertained. Apparently, Larry Riley will continue this tradition and try to make a big splash early on in his tenure. The Amar'e trade talks aren't dying down.
Amar'e Stoudemire
for
Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli and might include Kelenna Azubuike and Stephen Curry.
I still don't know how I feel about this trade especially including Kelenna and Curry since it affects the depth of the bench. If it's just the first 3 guys, I think I do it. This league is made up of stars. None of the Warrior guys is or will ever be a star. Amar'e has superstar potential and even showed it 2 years ago when he averaged 25-9 along with 59% from the field and 80% from the line in 34 minutes per game. He was considered a top 10 player. The Inspired and injury free Amar'e I'll take any day over Biedrins and some role players. Which Amar'e will show up makes this a risk. Sometimes you have to take some calculated risks. Marco is addition by subtraction, he gets way too much love for having done nothing. Brandan showed some flashes last year, but has been injured and Randolph will eat up the majority of his minutes anyways. Andris is clearly the centerpiece in this deal, you have to give up something to get something.
If Amar'e ends up joining the team, he's already got his nicknamed tattooed on his arm, Standing Tall and Talented. Check the bullet points at the bottom of his NBA profile.
Put it this way, the Warriors aren't trading for Amar'e of last year, they're trading for the chance that Amar'e will return to the top 10 player he was 2 years ago. They're trading with the hope they can keep him long term as he'll turn 27 this year, right in his prime. They're trading for him because he's a game changer. And for that, I think it's worth it since he's not that far off. Some extra motivation and change of scenery might push him back to his elite level, just as it did for Baron a few years ago.
3) Ricky "Harry Potter" Rubio
After Blake Griffin, Pretty Ricky was the guy I was hoping the Warriors would pick up. I think he's got the qualities to be a special player. So, as Ricky Rubio dropped (inexplicably) past the Thunder at #3 (James Harden instead), I was surprised. What's wrong with pairing Westbrook and Rubio? I don't mind having 2 guys who can distribute to Durant! Anyways, I was thinking that there's no way he drops past the Kings. After all, the Kings need a point guard. Nope, I guess they wanted a guy people think will play the point, but probably can't, Mr. Tyreke Evans. I like his game, though he'll never be a top notch point. So I'm just a little excited. Perhaps Rubio would fall to the Warriors as Crabtree fell to the Niners. The problem was Minnesota needs guards so they were most likely going to take 2 guards at 5 and 6. In the back of my mind I was thinking they could take Stephen Curry and then, only if they had kept Kevin McHale, they might take Flynn or a big like Hill. Denied. Rubio went 5th and Flynn went 6th. Oh well, that was fun while it lasted.
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hey FJ
the latest reports have the trade as follows:
Amare
for
Andris + Curry + (Marco and/or Wright)
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Stoudemire signs that extension, I’d move Biedrins, Curry and Belinelli for him.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 26, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would too
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by CB30 on Jun 26, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the Suns would unless they were just desperate to unload Stoudemire like that.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 26, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey really wouldn't get a better deal imo.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 26, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they don’t find a better deal and pull the lever on this one in a few weeks.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 26, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think anyone would
its a no brainer really
helps both teams, REALLY helps the warriors
clears up our large amount of guards
we’d get to run:
pg: ellis – law – watson (assuming we resign cj)
sg: jackson – morrow
sf: maggs/buki
pf: randolph/wright
c: amar’e/turiaf
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See now this I can get behind, before we were getting rid of two quality bigs which was a little much for my taist, this is better by far.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 26, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind getting rid of both Biedrins and Wright for Stoudemire. I like Wright more than most, but let’s be honest, he’s very similar to Randolph and Stoudemire is way better than him at everything. Biedrins production really won’t be that hard to replicate (especially with Stoudemire on our team). There’s only so many minutes to go around, anyways. We’ll obviously need to find one more decent backup big guy but it can be done.
by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's better at getting injured? =)
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 26, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
espn (sports center)
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m tired of the speculation. Keep this young core. Stephen Curry,Monta, Morrow,Randolph,Rocky,Wright, and Biedrins. Good Players for Monta to grow around.
Surrounded by good veterans,Jack, Turiaf, Maggette.
Don't trade Stephen Curry Movement
by Sinigang on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
don’t people want to know how this team is with this young talented core? we didn’t even see our whole teaam last year, and we may not this with amare’s injury history. or we can just give him an eye patch…
by dubzfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of agree with Sinigang
But i would still do the trade. Send Beans Wright Rocky 2010 First round pick for STAT
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by i love sports101 on Jun 26, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
If the deal didn’t include Beans I would do it. (but thats not happening)
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 26, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or we can just give him an eye patch...
lol now that you mention it, amare would look good as a pirate.
by placid on Jun 26, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
amare
is going to be wearing goggles!
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking
more like these goggles!
http://www.joblo.com/images_movie_reviews/chronicles_of_riddick.jpg
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What!?!?!
He’d looked kinda silly with those on. lol
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 26, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
silly in an awesome way!
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade
I love Amare, and I would probably do Curry, Biedrins and Belinelli for Amare+extension, but that does leave the W’s giving up an awful lot.
I would like to know what it would take to get the Knicks to part with David Lee in a sign-and-trade. Shouldn’t be that much (Curry would do it for sure), and I would argue that Biedrins + Lee > Stoudamire. Lee would really beef up the Warriors’ rebounding, and he can run the floor.
by taliesin on Jun 26, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
how does lee + andris > amare?
how long has it been since we’ve had an all star playing for the warriors?
this is HUGE. when given the chance to get an all star, on a poor team like ours, we NEED to take it.
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense and rebounding
Warriors problems the last couple of years have been defense and rebounding. Amare doesn’t help with that, but Lee does.
Obviously Lee is nowhere near the offensive player that Stoudemire is, but the W’s don’t seem to have a lot of trouble scoring points. It’s getting stops and rebounds that’s been the problem.
That said, I don’t see the Warriors going after Lee, since he “can’t shoot” (even though his True Shooting % is close to 60), and Nellie wants “shooters,” which means outside shooters.
by taliesin on Jun 26, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Lee a good defensive player? On ball? I don’t know much about him, but he’s white so I’m just going to assume he doesn’t block many shots. :)
by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing special
Lee’s probably about equal to Stoudemire defensively, which isn’t good, and you could certainly argue that if Amare put his mind to it he could someday be an outstanding defender, given his size and athletic ability. But on the other hand, the point was to keep Biedrins, so the question is whether you’d rather have Lee against the other team’s 4 or Amare against the other team’s 5. That matters.
I was thinking more that Lee + Biedrins is much better defensively than Stoudemire, because Lee’s rebounding is much better than Amare’s, and Biedrins’ defense is also better than Amare’s.
by taliesin on Jun 26, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s what Yahoo has to say about our draft grades.
Golden State Warriors – Stephen Curry(notes)
Curry may or may not (rumors lean toward the latter, at this point) be on his way to Phoenix in a deal that would net the Warriors Amar’e Stoudemire(notes). Doesn’t matter. Doesn’t matter that Monta Ellis(notes) might be unhappy with Golden State selecting a player with a frame similar to his. If Monta Ellis has enough sway in your organization to call shots, then your organization is shot. Curry can play. Figure the rest out later.
Score: 9
I’m still going with Monta + Curry is a weird back court. Who knows if it’ll work, who knows what will come of it, but only time will tell what’s actually going to play out. I think the best part of this Yahoo article is this line
If Monta Ellis has enough sway in your organization to call shots, then your organization is shot. Curry can play. Figure the rest out later.
Sad thing is this is kind of a true statement….the organization is shot.
We still believe!!
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by R Dizzle on Jun 26, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
its all rumors
that monta is unhappy…and rumors from TK of all people
TK is rarely correct about anything
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
TK is rarely correct about anything (when it involves unnamed sources)
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this trade
involves curry, don’t do it, simple as that. give up beans, wright and belli, maybe a ‘10 pick or add another guard (which we have a ton of). why wouldn’t we want to see how curry does in the pros (ON OUR TEAM). he could be the next big thing, point is, let’s give him a shot…
by Young Moolah on Jun 26, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We don't have a '10 pick...
we gave it up to New Jersey for Marcus Williams…
Gerald Madkins.
by gorrillas on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not believe that is correct. I believe we gave up a 2011 pick, with conditions such that it might be conveyed in 2012 or 2013 instead.
by jae on Jun 26, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can get amare and someone else!
Don’t forget we still have speedy’s expiring contract. Maybe get a big vet PG like andre miller. not sure what his contract status is.
by warriorsfanSF on Jun 26, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
all i want is that we don't want to give up both belinelli and curry
who’ll be the backup PG then?
D:
by placid on Jun 26, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’d be Law or a free agent, but I’m not so sure Belinelli would be the reserve for Ellis if Curry was dealt.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 26, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Law/resign CJ
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how every website
calls this a terrible trade for the warriors.
by dong4ce on Jun 26, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I might be okay with Curry involved...
as long as we do not trade BWright
by krazybalr on Jun 26, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This league is made up of stars. None of the Warrior guys is or will ever be a star. Amar’e has superstar potential and even showed it 2 years ago when he averaged 25-9 along with 59% from the field and 80% from the line in 34 minutes per game. He was considered a top 10 player. The Inspired and injury free Amar’e I’ll take any day over Biedrins and some role players. Which Amar’e will show up makes this a risk. Sometimes you have to take some calculated risks. Marco is addition by subtraction, he gets way too much love for having done nothing. Brandan showed some flashes last year, but has been injured and Randolph will eat up the majority of his minutes anyways. Andris is clearly the centerpiece in this deal, you have to give up something to get something…
Put it this way, the Warriors aren’t trading for Amar’e of last year, they’re trading for the chance that Amar’e will return to the top 10 player he was 2 years ago. They’re trading with the hope they can keep him long term as he’ll turn 27 this year, right in his prime. They’re trading for him because he’s a game changer. And for that, I think it’s worth it since he’s not that far off. Some extra motivation and change of scenery might push him back to his elite level, just as it did for Baron a few years ago.
I couldn’t agree more.
I’d desperately hold onto Curry in the trade talks, but I’ll admit it’s not based on any sort of concrete logic or rationality.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 26, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ditto, and
I may be the only one who feels this way, but constantly changing the front page thread is exhausting those of us trying to continue a coherent discussion – we just end up saying all the same thing over again in another thread rather than trying to do into some more depth. The constant new threads are repeating a lot of the noise you are trying to lessen …
by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like Deja Vu All over again.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 26, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing for sure...
Randolph and Amare in the frontcourt would be fun to watch!
by krazybalr on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I 2nd that it's a terrible trade
We’re giving up so much, plus we’re probably giving up someone who can probably become a star on our team. Amare doesn’t have the greatest health history. After last year, I don’t even know if he’ll ever play the same again.
by Golden Boy on Jun 26, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“plus we’re probably giving up someone who can probably become a star on our team.”
And who might that be?
by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, let’s hold back from getting a proven star for a guy we haven’t even seen play an NBA game yet. Always a good way to run a franchise. Lots of guys “can” become a star. Almost none of them do.
by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
Especially since Amare’s been injury prone during his all-star career.
by Golden Boy on Jun 26, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QUICK
How many more games did the non-injury prone Andris Biedrins play compared to the “injury-prone” Amare Stoudemire?
9
That’s it.
Andris Biedrins- 62 games
Amare Stoudemire- 53 games
I’ll take a fluke eye injury over ankle problems.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 26, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
absolutely agree. this argument about being injury prone is just plain wrong.
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm
Amare’s missed nearly two full seasons with microfracture surgery on both knees as well. I would say that counts as injury prone.
by marinyo on Jun 26, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how'd he look after the surgery
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
However
We don’t have to give up a whole lot to get Andris though. For Stoudemire, we’re giving away a lot. A whole lot.
by Golden Boy on Jun 26, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we land Amare+extension
For any combo of 3 or 4 mentioned players i’d pull the trigger no doubt.
this gives us an allstar inside game with amare and randolph
one of the most efficent scoring guards in the league in monta
2 deadly shooters in curry+morrow
proven vet who can create and buckle down perimeter D in Jack
oh and we still have a bench of maggs,turiaf,(morrow/or curry), and the always dominant Kurz
by Warriorfan on Jun 26, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
pheonix starting lineup
nash
richardson
barns
bwright
biendrins
ha!
by warriorsfanSF on Jun 26, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they are
rebuilding the ‘we believe’ team
all they need now is to get baron…and the TMNT
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’t involve curry or buike in the deal and I’d be down for it!
…Stack Jack can quell those so called “attitude” issues Amar’e has…by taking him to a club! :)
by insanenthemembrane on Jun 26, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
According to Chris Broussard
…the two sides had agreed to Beans, Wright, and Belli for Stoudamire but the 7 pick changed everything because neither thought Curry would fall there. If that is the case, I kind of wish Curry would have been taken so we could potentially have Amare and Jordan Hill..thoughts?
by baybruin415 on Jun 26, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How could we also have Jordan Hill when he would have been shipped off to Phoenix?
Gerald Madkins.
by gorrillas on Jun 26, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently the 7th pick would not have been involved at all going off what Broussard said..
check the ESPN front page.
by baybruin415 on Jun 26, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they could have, and still can, exchange picks – we’d end up with Amare + Clarke, they’d end up with AB, Wright, and Curry …
by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think people realize...
assuming that the trade goes down, the potential it has to turn into a complete disaster. I say we keep out young core together and have them develop. Yes, we can trade or sign a player who can help us out on rebounding, but Amare is not the answer…especially if he won’t sign a long-term guaranteed contract here.
Gerald Madkins.
by gorrillas on Jun 26, 2009 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Any trade for him will involve an extension.
by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it better, but honestly I don’t see Amare agreeing to a multi-year contract here. I hate to be a wet blanket, but he wants to play for New York or some big name team, not the Warriors.
Gerald Madkins.
by gorrillas on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’d be a big name team if we started to win. We’re a big market team. I hate this kind of pessimism. The Bay Area is a desirable place to go. Sure our franchise is poorly run, but we have everything else going for us in a pretty big way. Stop with this attitude.
by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, we’ll see then.
Gerald Madkins.
by gorrillas on Jun 26, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why are people still saying this
the deal would only happen if it involved a guaranteed contract.
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dubs fans are too desperate after last season
the front office should actually consider having character guys on the roster. amare was noticeably unhappy last year when shaq came on board and took away a lot of his touches in the post. the only reason he was satisfied before shaq was because he was fortunate enough to play alongside a great, pass first point guard in nash. imagine pairing monta, maggette, and jackson along with amare. what kind of locker room is that going to be like? i just don’t see this trade working out well for us even if curry isn’t included.
amare to the bay in 09, TRADE REQUEST to NY in 11!
by dong4ce on Jun 26, 2009 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From a character point of view
I like Biedrin’s character. He doesn’t complain about not getting the ball, he seems well liked by everyone, and he “doesn’t care about himself”, as he once said in an interview.
by IQofaWarrior on Jun 26, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt S. is making some good points on KNBR right now
by 123707THIZZ on Jun 26, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
link?
Don't trade Stephen Curry Movement
by Sinigang on Jun 26, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just to let warriors fans know
there is no way we (the Suns) do this without Curry coming back. I personallywouldnt want to do it without Randolph, but i know how much you guy think he’s untouchable
by Funky Flapsack on Jun 26, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
randolph is essentially untouchable
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aight then...
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F**K REFS
by faetati on Jun 26, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry for Amare, straight up. Can we throw Maggette in to make the trade work salary wise?
by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're losing Amare in a year regardless, how greedy can PHX expect to get
… wrote elsewhere that Amare has two franchises by the jewels, both want the deal done and he’s the one with all the leverage re the extension … you guys aren’t going to get more value than Andris + Curry anywhere else, and we’re offering more while we can’t find an Amare-esque PF just anywhere …
by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
STAY TUNED….
Don't trade Stephen Curry Movement
by Sinigang on Jun 26, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ric Bucher seems to think Curry is involved..
by baybruin415 on Jun 26, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Biedrins is the best defensive big man Nash's ever had"
Scary!
by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://twitter.com/RicBucher/status/2348640707
Biedrins is the best defensive big man Nash’s ever had
HAHA
10 bucks says Bucher hasn’t watched a Warriors game in 10 years.
Phoenix fans/ media are more delusional than Dubs fans if they think Biedrins is even remotely close to being a good defender.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 26, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahha
seriously, thats an odd thing to say about andris
“best defensive big man” and andris should never mix.
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
anyone know if there is any talk of us getting their pick if we’re giving them ours?
Amare + Earl Clark for Andris curry marco/wright?
I’m all for Clark on our team!
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or a pick next year since we don't have one
since the whole mwill thing went well…
by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PHX doesn't have a 2010 1st rounder.
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"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."
by kenntoe on Jun 26, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Thunder have it and it’s unprotected.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 26, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clark can probably replace most of what Wright gives us, too.
by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attention AB1
this is exactly what I was referring to …
by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the end of the day, I just don’t see it happening because the Warriors are unwilling to part with Stephen Curry. I just don’t think it’ll happen.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 26, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what do people think of this trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nsoqtk
andris + maggs + curry for Amare
i think this would definitely be an ideal situation for us.
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maggs contract is too large/long for them to take
never going to happen
by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just saying
the numbers work
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All 5 Warriors
Rumored to go have tidy, reasonable contracts. Maggs does not.
by JoeBarelyCares on Jun 26, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We went BPA and got a great guy
A
Welcome to the Warriors, Stephen Curry, the 2009 NBA Rookie of the Year.
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by ejdacanay on Jun 26, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If that espn deal is what's up then
pull the trigger
Amare for ab/curry/ bw and/or marco
Pull the Trigger!!!!!!
Do It!!!!!
by Warriorfan on Jun 26, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If they want curry let’s keep Wright. Sounds like the deal was on the table. We should give them 3 guys no more of those discussed.
Amare for Goose, Curry, and Rocky.
We got Morrow for 3pters let em have Curry.
by Balance on Jun 26, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Curry and Morrow
off the bench together could be monster. Think of those two knocking down shots against other teams’ second units.
by belli nellie on Jun 26, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just think of the Ws lineup if it goes through
Monta
Jack
Maggette
AR
STAT
I can just see the first 100+ point game in league history without a single assist handed out. I don’t think any of those guys have ever seen a shot they haven’t liked, and with Nelson in charge, whoa Nellie.
by belli nellie on Jun 26, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we hadn't given up J-Rich for essentially B-Wright and Belinelli
nobody would be mad about letting those two walk. I like what the front page said in terms of addition by subtraction. These guys have underachieved and we might as get some value for them now while they still have any. If it was those two and Biedrins, you have to pull the trigger. Biedrins is good, but is he healthy Amare good?
by belli nellie on Jun 26, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is amare going to be healthy amare good again?
Risky proposition.
by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his knee looked fine last season
all he needs is to keep those goggles on
btw to all those people saying our rebounding is the concern this is what i say:
1) amare averaged 8-9 rb/game last season
2) ellis healthy will vastly increase our rebounds from the PG position (crawford/watson were terrible at it)
3) jack at the 2 will increase our rebouning
4) AR has grown an inch and is still improving and will get more PT than last season
i dont think rebounding will be as big of an issue as people think
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph already gobbles up offensive rebounds
I see him improving his defensive rebounding too with more experience and playing time.
I like Biedrins very much since the W’s basically honed him into the player he is today but like others mentioned – Amare is already an all-star and will thrive in Nellieball as he did under D’Antoni’s 8 seconds or less offense.
As for Wright and Bellinelli, you can’t get a stud PF without trading away young talents with potential so they are essentially the price of admission and time will tell if both will star for the Suns.
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by Scooter Ellis on Jun 26, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw to all those people saying our rebounding is the concern this is what i say:
1) amare averaged 8-9 rb/game last season
Unless you mean 8 minus 9 (which isn’t accurate) this statement is a bit twisted. He averaged 8.1 in his PT, 7.9 per 36. The “8” part seems accurate, but why you’re saying “8-9 rb/game last season [my emphasis]” isn’t clear unless you want to generously round up to award him nearly one extra rebound he didn’t actually get. Before saying “well, he would have done better without Shaq” note that this isn’t what you said. It’s not close to what you said.
2) ellis healthy will vastly increase our rebounds from the PG position (crawford/watson were terrible at it)
Increase? Probably. Vastly? Well only with a loose definition of “vastly”. Kidd would vastly increase rebounds from the PG position. Monta? He was better than the average PG over the last two years by about a rebound per game. The Warriors used Jax, Crawford and C.J. at the point last year. Monta’s about a rebound a game better than CJ and about 2 a game better than Crawford. Jax had a similar average, but also spent some time at a forward position, so his PG numbers are more in line with what CJ did. Overall, if Monta gets the bulk of the minutes at point, that translates to more of a 1 to 2 rpg bump. Vast? You can decide. It helps and perhaps there would be a trickle up effect if this allowed for better rebounders at the 2 and 3 slot, but since this seems to imply Jax at the 2 (as you mention), that’s not a better rebounder at that slot, so Monta’s effect on the team isn’t really likely to be a “vast” improvement. The improvement in rebounding is more likely to be rather modest.
3) jack at the 2 will increase our rebouning
Increase it vs. what? How exactly do you figure this one?
by jae on Jun 26, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) 8-9 i was talking more about his career avg
2) id say twice as many rbs is pretty significant (watson with 2, ellis with 4+)
3) if jackson plays at the 2, i’m just assuming his rbs will go up since he will be a bigger guard commin in vrs his cover. i guess this is more of an assumption on my part that i shouldnt make. i’d be interested to see how other SF’s that move over to SG did in the past as far as rebounding numbers go.
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) 8-9 i was talking more about his career avg
It is strange then why you wrote “amare averaged 8-9 rb/game last season”. If you mean career, you should say career. If you mean career, you should certainly not say “last season”.
by jae on Jun 26, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is
its pretty misleading to think of just last season. shaq was there and all…
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is misleading to think of last season, which is why your exact words “amare averaged 8-9 rb/game last season[emphasis added]” was peculiar. You were the one who put in the “last season” qualification. I don’t know why you did it, but you did. Any confusion because of it is entirely your doing.
by jae on Jun 26, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why are you so knit picky? come on man. get the overall jist of what i say. i am saying stuff online and not writing a report.
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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the web, the only thing I have to go by are your words. When your words say one thing quite clearly (e.g. “last season”) the “gist” is that you meant last season. I don’t read minds. Whether or not it’s a report, when you say “last season”, I’m going to take it to mean that you meant “last season”. If you’re going to play loose with language where what you write isn’t what you mean, how should I know you’re even writing about basketball? Sure, you were talking about Stoudemire and wrote “last season” but maybe you meant Hank Aaron in the late 1950s.
Seriously, when you say last season but don’t mean it, that’s not being nit picky. That’s just calling you out on being confusing.
by jae on Jun 26, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jae I think you have a fetish for rebounding.
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by kenntoe on Jun 26, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebounding’s dope. It’s ridiculously important to the game.
by jae on Jun 26, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare injury prone
Amare has too many miles on them surgically repaired knees. Curry has alot of upside. We shouldnt give away a future star for one who could already be the next Yao Ming with injuries.
by robbin on Jun 26, 2009 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Two trades
Trade #1…..Warriors send Biedrins, Wright, Jackson, Azubuike to Suns for Stoudemire and Barbosa.
Trade #2….Warriors send Magette, Ellis to Clippers Belinelli and Claxton to Hornets. Clippers send Camby to Hornets and Davis to Warriors. Hornets send Chandler to Warriors.
Trade #1 is just a little addition to the trade already proposed and the salaries match, probably won’t happen though.
Trade #2 Clippers get Magette back plus Ellis, Warriors get Davis back as originally proposed plus a shot blocking presence in the middle. Hornets get salary relief and get rid of Chandler.
Warriors
C. Chandler/Stoudemire/Turiaf
PF. Stoudemire/Turiaf/Randolph
SF.Randolph/Barbosa
SG.Barbosa/Curry/Morrow
PG.Davis/Curry/Law
Bench
Watson/Kurz/Davidson
by jloom21 on Jun 26, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
probably won’t happen though
You can go ahead and probably take the word “probably” out of that sentence.
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by kenntoe on Jun 26, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is like in scrabble when you turn in your tiles and skip a turn because you dont like your letters
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by CB30 on Jun 26, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve had a hand with nothing but vowels for a while now.
by jae on Jun 27, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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