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Warriors Draft Day 2009: This Pretty Much Says It All

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RUMOR: Warriors inquired about Suns' Amare Stoudemire and offered Andris Biedrins- Amare to the Bay?

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I think Chad Ford's 2009 Draft Day grade for the Warriors over at ESPN.com pretty much says it all:

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS GRADE: Inc.
Analysis: I think it's too early to know what grade to give Golden State. I love Curry, and if the Warriors keep him, I think he's a great addition to Monta Ellis in the backcourt. Neither guy is a pure point guard, but Curry's shooting should complement Ellis' slashing nicely.

But if the Warriors turn around and ship Curry, Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli and Andris Biedrins to Phoenix for Amare Stoudemire in July, as rumored, I'm not going feel as good about it. Stoudemire is great, but that's a lot to give up for one guy, especially if he might be just a one-year rental in Oakland.

We're in a state of disarray here in Warriors land. It feels like the Warriors are on the verge of getting a young and gifted superstar, but who knows if it's all going to be talk a la Kevin Garnett, Gilbertn Arenas, Elton Brand, Chris Bosh, Allen Iverson, etc. It feels like the Warriors got a steal in the draft, but who know knows if he'll even be a Warrior come preseason.

We just don't know.

And I just don't know what else to write. Everything is one big unknown right now.

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Amar'e to Golden State trumped by Kerr - Bright Side Of The Sun

There is not a single NBA analyst who has not already said that Steve Kerr has single-handedly removed an entire era of NBA changing basketball in the Seven Seconds or Less Suns and should he not push this deal many may wonder if he has any sense at all. Considering the potential of Curry and Wright paired with the substantially lesser contract of Andris Biedrins in comparison to Stoudemire's hefty contract  this deal may be the next step into the rebuilding process that Kerr himself initiated, it would be questionable if he decided to not go forward into the future with new talent and rather rebuild around the maximum contract of Stoudemire.

Suns draft / trade day a dizzying mess - Bright Side Of The Sun

Assuming it happens, I like the deal. Beans is a 23 y/o stud 7fter who can defend and rebound on both ends. He can't shot for crap though so you can't play him with Chandler so where does that leave the the deal with the Hornets for Chandler?   Those other guys aren't chopped liver either. Wright, I am less sure about but maybe. Belinelli I think can be a player and Azubuike can come in and play big minutes at the SF as a defender and shooter.

Daily Links: Guess what the topic is? - Bright Side Of The Sun

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Warriors Get Curry, but Will He Be Teammate of Stoudemire? -- NBA FanHouse

When it comes to whether or not Amar'e Stoudemire will end up a Golden State Warrior within the week, the answer is: probably. But it's not quite a done deal at this point. There seems to be that little matter of Stephen Curry, whom the Warriors plucked with the No. 7 pick in Thursday's draft. Apparently, that's a player the Suns like and want included in the deal. 

Warriors insist they have a place for a great shooter [SFGate]

Warriors general manager Larry Riley said he had been tracking Curry's progress throughout the past season, twice in person, and that there are no plans to trade him. "This is a great day for the Golden State Warriors," Riley said. "Everything we saw told us this is a quality young man who will fit into our system. He's definitely going to be a contributor as a rookie. It may be December, may be January; it just depends on how quickly he develops." Riley reiterated that Ellis and Stephen Jackson will compose the starting backcourt, and that the club's attention will turn toward a power forward on the trade/free-agent market. ESPN reported Thursday that the Warriors were in serious discussions with the Phoenix Suns, offering Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli and the No. 7 pick (now Curry) for Amare Stoudemire, and that the deal could not take place, if agreed upon, until the free-agent signing period opens July 8.  

Picking Curry may help Warriors deal with Suns [SFGate]

The Stoudemire trade has been rumored for awhile now, with changing components that swirl around Andris Biedrins, but also include some combination of the draft choice, Marco Belinelli, Kelenna Azubuike and Brandan Wright. That rumor has only grown in intensity since the Curry selection. Of course, Stoudemire would have to be re-signed, and that total figure would run into a maximum deal of five years and $95 million. Designated general manager more or less Larry Riley described his role in signing a traded player somewhat cryptically. "That's a little outside my comfort zone, as you consider what to do," he said. "But if it was presented to us, it would be a tough deal for me to get convinced of."  

Bickley: Draft represents fresh start for Suns [AZ Central]

Everything good about this sudden transformation could be found in what the Suns weren't talking about. It was the reports that the team was moving toward an agreement to trade Amaré Stoudemire to Golden State for 7-foot center Andris Biedrins (who runs, plays defense, rebounds and doesn't need the ball) and Curry, selected by the Warriors with the No. 7 pick.

Plays defense? Shhhh... don't tell them.

Curry pick part of likely Amare deal [AZ Central]

The Suns could have landed their man in Thursday night's draft before their pick ever came up. Golden State's selection of Davidson point guard Stephen Curry at No. 7 was likely made for the Suns as part of an Amaré Stoudemire trade that can't be completed until Wednesday. That is because Phoenix would be acquiring Warriors center Andris Biedrins, a base-year compensation player, as part of a Stoudemire deal that would include more Warriors players, possibly power forward Brandan Wright and/or shooting guard Marco Belinelli.

A new look in the works for Suns [AZCentral]

With its first-round pick, Phoenix selected 6-foot-10 Louisville forward Earl Clark, but the bigger news was that sources said the Suns expect to complete a trade with Golden State that would send Amaré Stoudemire to the Warriors next week for Davidson point guard and No. 7 pick Stephen Curry, center Andris Biedrins, power forward Brandan Wright and shooting guard Marco Belinelli.

If Curry is not included, the deal will not be made. A trade cannot be completed until Wednesday because Biedrins, a 23-year-old Latvian 7-footer, is a base-year compensation player whose trade value will not match his contract number until then. The deal needs Biedrins at his $9 million salary, which stays flat through 2013-14, to make the trade work under NBA financial parameters.

Reviewing the week that was [ESPN]

The good news? The Warriors still might wind up with Stoudemire, whom they've coveted since February when the Suns first made him available as part of what is looking like a full-scale roster disassembly. Our tap-the-brakes disclaimer? Sources with certified knowledge of the teams' negotiations say the deal is "still a maybe" and "not anywhere close" to completion. For a variety of reasons.

The Warriors would love to keep No. 7 pick Stephen Curry out of the exchange, and the Suns naturally are pushing for Curry's inclusion. The Warriors also have to be sure Stoudemire's eye and microfracture-repaired knee check out and hammer out the framework of a contract with him before completing the swap, or else they're surrendering the likes of Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright and Marco Belinelli (and/or Kelenna Azubuike) for someone who can leave them in free agency in 2010.

The motivation, though, is believed to be there on both sides to push this through in July. With new general manager Larry Riley launching his tenure as aggressively as David Kahn's in Minnesota, Golden State is convinced it has a face-of-the-franchise opening that will appeal to Amare's superstar longings as well as a coach in Don Nelson who has been waiting his whole coaching life (or at least since Chris Webber's youth) for a power player with Stoudemire's mobility and elbow jumper.

Western Conference Draft Grades [FanHouse]

Golden State Warriors: B+
Selections: Stephen Curry (No. 7)
Comment: Curry was the player who made the most sense for the Warriors: a solid decision-maker, playmaker and possible future point guard. He will boost the team's basketball IQ. Curry makes so much sense for the Warriors that it doesn't look like they want to trade him to Phoenix as part of a possible deal for Amar'e Stoudemire.

NBA.com - DRAFT 2009 Prospects - Stephen Curry

Strengths: Premium scoring talent. Understands how to move with the ball to shake his defender. Terrific off-balance shooter. Prolific scorer off the dribble. Has tremendous range on his jump shot. Excellent instincts and anticipation. Good vision. A capable rebounder despite his size and can even block shots.

Knicks, Sixers come away with strong picks in NBA draft [SI.com]

Potential Winners--- WARRIORS -- Nothing would make Don Nelson happier than scoring 130 points per game. And he may have the guns to do it. But what those guns will be is still in question. After Minnesota's decision to go with Rubio and Flynn allowed Curry to slip to No. 7, the Warriors nabbed the Davidson star, who has an NBA-ready jump shot and can score in bunches. Late Thursday, though, came word that the Warriors may have a deal in the works that would send Curry and center Andris Biedrins to Phoenix for All-Star power forward Amar'e Stoudemire. That likely wouldn't hurt the Warriors' scoring ability, either.

Warriors pick: Stephen Curry, but do they keep him? | Talking Points

If the Warriors are talking contract extension with Stoudemire, here are the max numbers MT-2 and I came up with: Two years left, $16.38M and $17.69M (and does not opt-out). Extension: 3 years, $61.4M. Total value of max deal: 5 years, $95.5m. I can’t imagine that the Warriors would put together a five-player deal to acquire Stoudemire and then back off of a max extension.

Larry Riley press conference: Praises Curry, but a BIG question left unanswered | Talking Points

Warriors GM Larry Riley just came out to address the media after selecting Stephen Curry with the No. 7 pick. He praised Curry, but wouldn’t call him a great shooter (that’s reserved for Anthony Morrow) and Riley very specifically said that Monta Ellis remains the Warriors’ starting point guard. Riley also would not answer questions about the hotly-rumored trade talks with Phoenix involving Amare Stoudemire, though when I asked him if, generally, he still would avoid doing a deal with a pending free agent unless he knew he could re-sign him, Riley sounded like he might’ve done some negotiating tonight and wasn’t thrilled with the asking price. Just an interpretation. Things are murky here, but if they get Stoudemire without giving up Curry (and maybe that’s the goal)… then they’ve got something. We’ll have to see. And I wonder about that contract "asking price."

Stephen Curry talks: "I don’t think it’d hurt to have 2 combo guards" | Talking Points

Curry: "This is a dream come true for me. Something I’ve looked forward to my whole life. Now it’s actually happened I’m very excited for this opportuniky. Going to be a different experience for me moving to the West Coast… But the backcourt Golden State has in position now, with the way they play uptempo getting up and down the floor a high octane offense. .. It’s a style I’ve played growing up, played at Davidson, I’m no stranger at getting up and down the floor. So I’m very excited to taking on this challenge."

 

Hoops Addict » In The Scrum With Stephen Curry

Stephen Curry talked with the media after a pre-draft workout in Washington earlier this week about how playing point guard last season helped him prepare for playing in the NBA, how valuable his college coach was to his development, he confessed who his favorite team was when he was growing up, his desire to achieve his degree and a host of other topics.

 

Larry Riley on KNBR Post 2009 NBA Draft

Warriors General Manager Larry Riley joined Murph and Mac to talk about the Warriors' draft day.  

The morning after: Curry, Stoudemire’s contract, and the Warriors’ next move | Talking Points

In the end, I think the Warriors and the Suns are going to keep talking, and I think there’s still a solid shot that Stoudemire ends up here. Better than 50%? I don’t know. I know both teams should be motivated to get this deal done, which is better than Amare staying in Phoenix after knowing he was dangled and better than the Warriors having another non-defensive scorer to add to their non-defensive scoring team. It’s a poker game. But I think it’s clear: The Suns can’t do this trade without Curry, and it’s probably up to Stoudemire’s contract demands to determine if the Warriors will be willing to toss Curry into the deal to make it happen.

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I see the future and its GOLDEN!

It looks like Riley is really trying to put together a roster that is capable of being a playoff competing team. Regardless of whether or not we make the Amare trade, we will be a better team than last season with our current growing roster (curry, growing sophomores).

This next week or so is going to be very exciting to see if the Amare trade goes through or not. If we can get Amare without losing Buki and Curry we should really pull the trigger, and even if we have to lose them we should really consider the trade (if the suns throw in someone like Earl Clark or a sign and trade of Barnes).

If we can get an All-Star on the dubs, i’m all for doing what it takes to do so!

Amare to the bay movement!

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

btw for those that are up right now

sports center just said they have some news to report on the amare trade speculation!

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Other than Amare/Bosh

Anyone think of another 4/5 player who we could get that would help us (while unloading some guards)?

by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the update Hawk

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by i love sports101 on Jun 26, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

UPDATE

espn is saying the trade talk is:

Amare FOR

Andris + BW + Curry

lets do it!

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

errr im sorry

its Curry AND/OR Bellineli

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

for just

Amare?

I don’t like it.

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by disguy on Jun 26, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

espn is saying

Andris + BW + (Curry/Belineli)

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

err sorry im wrong

Andris + Curry + (belli/wright)

if we can do Andris + Curry + Belli, im all for it!

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amare

we can’t give away too much for Amare. he plays no D and is a bad passer we have enough of those players. We must keep Curry. Only offer Biedrins BW and Belinelli at the very very most.

by willis52 on Jun 26, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the problem with trading marco

He is the only pg-capable player who plays D on the team. We don’t know how curry will play D in the NBA

by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MB is not a PG, repeat a few thousand times …

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

more of a pg than monta

I didn’t call him pg, just a pg-capable player.

by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How has marco proved to be any more of a PG than Monta or Curry?

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he can pass better than monta

Marco can pass better than monta and can defend bigger players.

As for curry, it would seem he is our best passer (assuming we keep him).

by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“he plays no D and is a bad passer we have enough of those players.”

He’s capable of playing at least some D, and who cares if he can pass or not, he scores. And he isn’t an inefficient wing scorer, he’s an efficient post scorer (something we do not have).

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point of spelling: it’s “disarray” (though we do probably diss the Warriors enough to put them a state of dissary).

A few points of hoops…

Early to say, but Riley’s moves are looking pretty golden to me so far. Good move to dump Craw for expirings (one of whom might actually be a serviceable backup PG); good move to pick the BPA and drive a dagger through the hearts of Knicks Knation; good move to keep hammering away at an Amare deal.

On the Amare thing: I’ve got a ton of reservations — is he healthy, is he worth a max extension, is he willing to play D, is he really the Top Banana on a 50-55-win team, can we find another serviceable big to make up for the rebounding shortfall, are we giving up too much given PHO’s lack of leverage, etc. etc. etc. But on balance, I think we have to make it happen. Yes, even if it’s Wright, Biedrins, Marco and Curry. No pain, no gain. Start with a nucleus of Monta/Morrow/Jack/Buike/Randolph/Turiaf/Amare and fill in the details. Isn’t Tyson Chandler available? Or Gortat for the MLE? Or Kaman for Maggs?

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kaman 4 Maggs

Seems interesting…

If we somehow pull off the trade for STAT, I could see them going for a big man to backup STAT and AR. I prefer Camby, but doubt Clips would want that.

by krazybalr on Jun 26, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point of spelling: it’s "disarray" (though we do probably diss the Warriors enough to put them a state of dissary).

Very sharp!

by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 26, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok so here's how its looking right now

according to ESPN

WARRIORS GET:
Amar’e Stoudemire

Suns get:
Andris Biedrins
Steph Curry
(Brandan Wright AND/OR Marco Belineli)

IMO if we can do Andris + Steph + Marco, this would be great for us. It would finally fix our overflow of guards and we can run:

PG: Ellis – Law
SG: Jackson – Morrow
SF: Buki/Maggs
PF: AR – BW
C: Amare – Turiaf

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and...

cj/davidson as backups. Dunno if that sounds playoff worthy

by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cj is gone

now that we have Law

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

doubtfull if we trade curry

nellie will want to keep cj just in case law doesn’t pan out, since he already trusts cj. Plus CJ should be cheap.

by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

cj is a minor part of the team thats why i didnt include him in the equation (by minor i mean minor contract)

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the minor contracts are important

We need decent backups to help out with minute distribution.

by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

are we watching the same ESPN?

they did not report AND/OR, they reported:

Andris Biedrins + Steph Curry, plus Brandan Wright OR Marco Belineli

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

it said

and/or, i even rewinded and checked

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, will take your word for it then, I was listening and heard “or”

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

apologies, you were right – just saw if for myself. sorry

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man

If we can keep BWright after the dust settles that makes the deal even more appealing.

I kinda hate the fact that a fast, athletic 21 year old PF with a 7’4" wingspan and a career 18.2 PER is considered such a worthless cog in this whole deal.

Seems like we might as well just pull him off the table while Phoenix isn’t looking.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

either way

if the deal is

andris + marco + curry, we should pull the trigger. it would clear up our overflow of guards and gives us a player that can really make an impact against some of the top centers in the league (as much as i love andris, he gets abused on both ends against the top few centers…at least with amare he will still dominate the offensive end regardless of who’s there)

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curry's poker face and a twist on the trade

impressed me, knowing full well he could be traded within days he said all the right things – which was safe because there are a lotta hoops to be jumped through to make the Amare deal real …

this from azcentral.com:

According to those familiar with the Curry situation, the guard never worked out for the Warriors in Oakland and Golden State was considered a worst-case scenario.

Ouch.

Having both Curry and Monta on the roster means a very good scoring guard is sitting on the bench for several minutes per game. My guess is Curry & Co. knew that and were hoping to avoid that scenario. If Curry really is that good, move Monta? Would Phx take a package centering on Monta rather than Andris? Their contracts are similar, we could still include Wright and the guards Phx asks for and we wouldn’t have to ask for Clark in return:

Guards playing in rotation:
Curry/CJ/Law
Jax/Morrow
Maggette

Bigs playing in rotaion
Randolph
Amare
Andris

Honestly, we’re probably too far down the path of including Andris. if if takes Andris & Curry + Wright, I’d still do the deal but would rather keep Wright than Marco:

Guards playing in rotation:
Monta/CJ/Law
Jax/Morrow
Maggette

Bigs playing in rotaion
Randolph
Amare
Wright

Still, adding Curry to the deal really makes it a win for Phx, and we HAVE to have a reassurance of extending Amare for a reasonable amount, whatever that is (!)

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

forgot Turiaf …

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they need andris

now that they lost shaq and want to deal amare

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya, I’m being greedy

I always thought we should use Monta rather than Andris in a big trade (unpopular opinion hereabouts) and with Curry, we have duplicate talents on the same roster as Monta …

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monta > Andris.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so sure about that. Young, athletic centers who average 12-13 rebounds per 36, shoot 60% FG, and love to run the floor don’t grow on trees. You wouldn’t be happier with trade if it were Monta/Marco/Wright?

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why speculate

if the suns would NEVER do that trade?

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, because Missing Barry said “Monta >Biedrins,” and I’m interested in whether or not that’s true?

Missing Barry says he would “much rather have Monta.” You say that the Suns would “NEVER” do the proposed AB-Wright-Marco trade if we switched out Monta for Biedrins. Something’s gotta give. Looks to me like you’re both overstating your cases.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

uhhh

suns want a center. they lost shaq and are going to lose amare in this trade. andris has to be involved.

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I stick by the fact that Monta > Beidrins but the Suns would want Biedrins more. They already have a similar player to Monta in Barbosa (even though Monta’s better), and will be really thin in the front court, so Biedrins is much more valuable to them.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way. I’d much rather have Monta. Biedrins might be good for a center, but the truth is a good center doesn’t give us that much more production than some average center. Sure Biedrins is young and has room to improve, but to take the next step he’s going to have to actually develop an offensive game. He shoots a high % because all of his points come on easy shots – putbacks from rebounds or dishes. He obviously has good hands and finishes well, but he’s just not scoring at a high enough rate for his offense to mean that much.

If you want to frame it like that – guards who shoot 53% don’t grow on trees either.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He shoots a high % because all of his points come on easy shots – putbacks from rebounds or dishes.

Those easy shots count just as much as the hard ones. I also find it funny that his high % is discounted because of this. Most centers don’t have polished offensive games and most don’t hit as high a % from the floor either. It may seem easy, but strangely, most other centers don’t seem to be able to make their living as well off of the putbacks and easy shots.

And it’s not like these “easy shots” are particularly scarce if that’s all he gets. The average center takes ~10.1 shots per 36 and scores 13.3pts/36. Andris took 10.4shots/36 and scored 14.3 pts/36. This indicates that he was more efficient than the average center (something we knew from TS%) and his usage is just about average. Whether or not you think his skills are limited, his offensive production is above that of your average center (and certainly above that of Turiaf). His rebounding is significantly above this. Pace adjustment indicates that he’s taking about an average amount of shots for a center, but scoring more points off of them than the average center.

Is his production “much more” than “some average center?” (First of all, assuming you can just grab “some average center” is not a given). It depends on what you mean by “production”, but if you want a measure that is based on the statistical influence on win probability that includes the value of rebounds, steals, blocks, assists and points vs. the opportunity cost of FGA, FTA and the incurred costs of fouls and turnovers, last year Andris was a bit more than 50% more productive than the average center per minute played. How many other centers gave more than that above the average? Answer, damn few. 5. Granted, this measure doesn’t address all aspects of defense, but it correlates very, very well with probability of winning games. Dismissing it with handwaving and sheer incredulity doesn’t cut it.

Stoudemire is a very, very efficient and effective offensive weapon and if he returns to some form of rebounding (which was never, ever close to what Andris has provided and there’s no reason to believe it ever would be) he could be a more valuable player. He’s also going to be a more costly player because his type of contribution is more conspicuous and appeals to traditional basketball conventional wisdom of what is important. This doesn’t necessarily mean it helps a team win more.

by jae on Jun 26, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I wasn’t dismissing the high FG%. I threw in his good hands/good finishing because this contributes to that, which is a positive thing.

“~10.1 shots per 36 and scores 13.3pts/36. Andris took 10.4shots/36 and scored 14.3 pts/36.”

It’s something like this I look at, where despite his productivity over other centers, he’s only scoring 1 more point. He obviously rebounds well, not something to be dismissed. I’d still rather have Ellis, who can create shots on offense for himself and, hopefully, others (not proven he can do this consistently), also scores efficiently (and at a much higher rate).

Can you elaborate on what the rebounding range per 36 for 4’s and 5’s is, I think it’s reasonable to assume Amare on our team can get back to a 10.5-11.5 range per 36.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep Curry

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by i love sports101 on Jun 26, 2009 10:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Very well argued.

You wouldn’t flip Biedrins, Marco, and Curry for Stoudemire?

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by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curry holds good value for us

If he pans out, he could be a better shooting (range) version of Monta. Keeping Curry could give us the option of trading Monta in the future without really losing anything.

by NextSeason on Jun 26, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously Curry has good value. The question is why any sane person would consider him a dealbreaker in an Amare trade. How ’bout if by some miracle we bargain them down to Wright, Maggs, Curry, and Belinelli? Does the “Keep Curry” mantra still apply?

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by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not exactly a dealbreaker

But the dubs have to take a long look at this deal and what other options they might be giving up. It’s not exactly a no-brainer. I would rather trade Buike than Curry at this point.

I think Andris should be included in the deal. Andris + Maggs would be sick.

by NextSeason on Jun 26, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“he could be a better shooting (range) version of Monta”

What is that supposed to mean? They’re not similar players at all. The only thing about them that’s remotely the same is the fact that they’re 6’3.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

They’re both quick, score first tweener guards. Curry has also been known for his great finishing ability. Curry’s got a longer shooting range than Monta but I don’t know if he’s got the same midrange consistency as Monta does. With a little experience, Curry will be interchangeable for Monta.

by NextSeason on Jun 26, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, no, and no. Monta has elite NBA quickness, Curry is not even close. Find me anywhere that touts Curry as an inside finisher. He’s a great shooter, and can put the ball in the basket from range (set or off the dribble), but he’s not a slasher that you expect to get to the rim and finish. That’s exactly what Monta is. They’re entirely different players.

To quote Chad Ford:
“Neither guy is a pure point guard, but Curry’s shooting should complement Ellis’ slashing nicely.”

Because they’re very different players. We don’t even know Curry is necessarily a shoot first guard, after all his Davidson teammates were awful. He HAD to take all the shots. For all we know he can transition to PG pretty easily. Again, the only thing similar about them is their height.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watching him play is enough proof that he can finish. Yeah, he shot a lot in college but Curry also scoredin buckets off of fast breaks and penetration.

Their height is a BIG deal. Both of these guys are basically shooting guards in a pg body. Chad Ford is right if you don’t take into account the other 50% of the game where Monta’s great perimeter defense would complement Curry’s getting pushed around.

Monta can pass and Curry can pass. Monta can score and Curry can score. Both have abilities that can help a team spread the opponent’s defenses but probably should not be playing side by side. If we could trade Monta down the road and keep the less expensive Curry, we’d have a guy that’s proably more capable at the point without losing a major scoring threat and quickness.

by NextSeason on Jun 26, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well we’ll see defensively. It’s something to watch for, but I think we should reserve judgement until we actually see them playing together. Maybe their offensive abilities create better mismatches than the other team gets. We won’t know until we see it. Down the road if we decide it’s not a good fit, we can always trade one of them then.

By the way, finishing in college against mid-major competition and finishing in the NBA are completely different beasts. Check out Curry’s gamelog from last year. Look at the Oklahoma, NC State, Purdue, West Virginia, Duke, and St. Mary’s game (I included St. Mary’s because he was going against Pattie Mills, a player good enough to get drafted). Shot well from 2 point range against Duke, ok against NC State, poorly against Oklahoma and St. Mary’s, pretty terribly against WVU, and just completely and utterly horrendously against Purdue.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can agree with that

I just think that we don’t really have an heir or replacement for Monta if we were to lose him or wanted to trade him. We saw this last year especially. Monta’s finishing around the basket is amazing, no doubt one of the best I’ve ever seen but if we’re looking at a player that could be close to being as good as him, we should get a better deal than what’s being suggested.

Biedrins, Curry and BWright???? No way. Try switching Marco and Acie Law for Curry maybe. Maybe Buike instead of Wright.

by NextSeason on Jun 26, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah we gotta make sure we’re getting at least as much value back as we’re losing in the trade, and frankly I think we should get the better end of this deal (if it happens), because Phoenix only has Amare locked up for 1 year. Any extension we sign him to is essentially like signing him as a FA, and we shouldn’t give them 4 years of Amare’s worth of value, but rather 1 year of Amare’s worth of value, if that made sense…

In the end the goal is to get him for as little as possible.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade for Amare (don't trade curry)

Sign Hedo or Ariza. Even tho it’s not possible.

Don't trade Stephen Curry Movement

by Sinigang on Jun 26, 2009 10:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hedo

If we buy out law and speedy, would we have enough to give him a good contract? Don’t think the money works

by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard Speedy might even retire.

by aBulldog on Jun 26, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we still owe him a little bit, insurance only covers most of his contract

Of course I think we would trade the contracts if we could to get a vet.

by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don’t have the cap space to make any offers to big time free agents.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Before the draft, hella people wanted Curry… now everyone’s so surprised at the pick. What happened to “Best Player Available”?

Do we really need Amare? How did it go with him, Steve Nash and Shawn Marion… and then Shaq? He’s NOT a winner. He can’t stay healthy enough to do that.. and to have to more than likely pay the due $19 million a season? Screw that.

I say, go for Bosh, or someone else…. otherwise, I’m happy with the team where it’s at. We gotta see how Monta does at PG. If he fails, it’s not like his stock goes down, cuz he’ll still be a quick player, who can shoot the lights out if he fails to be a distributor.

Keep Curry though. He probably won’t play much this season anyways, with Nellie as his coach.

by aBulldog on Jun 26, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

... go for Bosh, or someone else

that’s just it, there are very few guys in these players’ strata that are going to be available – not just this summer, but ever. Gotta strike while the iron’s hot sometimes …

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what other bigs would we go after other than bosh/amare?

Other than ronron/kg, who we won’t go after

by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thankyou, that’s my point

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m down to deal Biedrins and maybe even Wright and Belinelli, but giving them a shooter like Curry, might be a little too much for an injury prone guy.

Are the Clippers not interested in trading one of their guys away, now that they got Griffin? They got Camby, Randolph, Kaman, Griffin, and even Al Thorton…. I’d trade Curry for one of those guys, and throw in Wright, Belinelli… or some other combination for one of those guys… other than Camby… cuz he’s injury prone too.

by aBulldog on Jun 26, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont understand

how you can think of curry as being a more important part of our team than BW

BW has averaged like ~18 PER. he is very efficient and is a BIG MAN. if we can lose guards, which we have an overflow of, its a no brainer

Andris + marco + curry for amare should be a no brainer for us.

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curry's pretty Highly valued while Wright is still rounding into a rotation player

I get it – Curry’s skills are ready NOW to step in and play rotation minutes

Wright’s added value is obviously his height, but if you Randolph & Amare …

plus PHX needs to replace both C & PF spots, as I was reminded of here too …

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

but if we can keep wright

and do andris + marco + curry for amare

wouldn’t this deal be a no brainer for us? marco would ride the pine with us anyways. and we have law to back up monta and a sg in jack and morrow.

would def clear up our excessive guards and we would get to keep a great backup in wright

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably gonna sound contradictory, but that’s nothing new for me:

keep Wright and letting Curry go to PHX is better for our roster balance, and we don’t end up with duplicate guards in Monta & Curry; that said, I get it why people want to keep Curry – he could step in and be a younger, less expensive version of Monta …

and yes, this is a no-brainer - as long as we can extend Amare reasonably. This is where I’m relieved we “have” to wait to finalize the deal – gives our FO long enough to negotiate and not have to make a quick, impulsive decision. The only downside is another bidder could get involved with Phx now that the value is pretty clearly set.

I also think Curry + Andris + Wright is a great deal for Phx … they weren’t going to extend Amare anyway, so instead of losing him they get a starting C, and future starting guard, and a young PF who has yet to break through. Imagine what a breadth of fresh air it would be for Brandan to leave Nelson for Phx. He could really blossom for them …

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sounds like a bad deal for GS

Andris + Curry + Wright for Amar’e leaves us thin in the frontcourt AND at PG.

We would have great starters with Randolph and Stoudemire but our only real backup would be Turiaf. That’s if you don’t count Rob Kurz and Jermareo Davidson, and I don’t.

At the PG we have Monta Ellis backed up by Acie Law and Speedy? Seriously? An injury, even a minor one at any of those positions would be ROUGH.

by NextSeason on Jun 26, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well we also have expiring contracts and I assume we have our MLE, though I don’t know exactly how that works, so we can bring some more stuff in. I do think Andris + Curry + Wright is beginning to push how much we should trade. Question for everyone: Would you rather have Marco or Curry?

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

talk about no brainers … even if MB was “a pg-capable player” (?!)

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean I’d definitely go with Curry (because I see Marco essentially as a “replacement level” wing), but I’ve gotten the sense that some people here really like Marco so I was curious if anyone out there would prefer to keep Marco rather than Curry.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

your sense is right, so too is your analysis

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we could

easily resign watson too, he’s very cheap

and ellis + law is plenty for one position anyways

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol sounds like last year

When we said that CJ, Demarcus Nelson and Marcus Williams could handle the point.

by NextSeason on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how is it like last year?

monta wasnt running the point last year

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, all guys who have never been NBA level starting PGs.

by NextSeason on Jun 26, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and curry is?

nope. id rather have monta.

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wright is at least as ready to play significant minutes as Curry is.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Wright will be playing behind AR while Curry could be our starting PG later this season.

by NextSeason on Jun 26, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if curry starts

and ellis is at SG, it would make us VERY small again

wouldnt you rather have jackson at the 2? i just dont see how curry + monta could ever work well together

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well we haven’t even seem them play together, so why don’t we give them a chance and see if we can make it work? It may be that Jack guards their best 6’5+ guy and against almost every team the other tall wing can’t take advantage of Curry + Ellis, whereas Curry + Ellis gives us a huge offensive mismatch. Let’s just have some patience and flexibility.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how often

do the warriors get a chance to get an all star?

how many all stars have the warriors had in the last 15 years?

how many playoff appearances have the warriors had in the last 15 years?

lets stop saying…“lets wait and see how this young guy does” and actually get it done with a proven all star

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey I’m all for the Amare trade (depending on how much we give up), but I’m just saying now that we have Curry and Monta, unless a better option comes up, we don’t need to give up on them before we’ve even seen them play together.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, I’m talking in respect to their trade value though, they both have potential and a lot more to show to become proven players, but they’re both probably pretty similar in terms of how ready they are to play right now. The key to a trade is to get what we want giving up as little value as possible. If they value Curry a lot, hopefully we can include him while taking as much as possible out of the deal for them.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’d say Bosh > Amare.

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by disguy on Jun 26, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. That’s flat out wrong.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bosh is two years younger

And, IMO, ss a better rebounder, and has more offensive skills.

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by disguy on Jun 26, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

is*

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by disguy on Jun 26, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Better rebounder”
Amare 9.4 rebs/per 36 (career)
Bosh 8.9

“More offensive skills”
Amare 22.2 pts/36, .604 TS% (career)
Bosh 19.0 pts/36, .567 TS%

Stoudemire’s a slightly better player when healthy. It’s not really a matter of opinion.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks, saved me a trip to basketball reference. :)

disguy, as Sleepy laid out, you’re flat out wrong. Amare is a better rebounder and offensive player. I’d also like to point out Amare averaged 11.5 and 10.5 rebounds per 36 before Shaq showed up.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

add in that

… he’s one of the more efficient +20pt scorers by percentage

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay okay...

But, he got those averages at the peak of the Sun’s 8 seconds or less offense.

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by disguy on Jun 26, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True about the rebounding rates, having Shaq meant he was at the 4 and also had a big rebounder under the hoop, but like you pointed out, it also meant their pace was a bit slower. He’s still a better player than Bosh, though. :)

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Not by a whole lot though. Bosh is still two years younger..draft class of ’03.

I wouldn’t be mad at having either of them on my team. I just hope we don’t give up too much.

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by disguy on Jun 26, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

right now?

no

potentially? maybe

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is Bosh’s potential any greater than Amare’s? I mean there’s always a scenario where Bosh ends up better, but it’s just as likely Amare improves significantly and becomes a top 3-5 player in the league as it is Bosh improves enough to be better than Amare.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

amare is better and can become better. im just playing the devil’s advocate and saying why OTHERS think so highly of bosh

i personally am a HUGE fan of amar’e. he is one of my favorite players in the league.

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bosh is at an age where some players are still climbing their development curve. He is likely very, very close to his peak, but the possibility of him improving further cannot be ruled out.

It is not as likely that Amare improves significantly. Stoudemire is at an age where almost all players have reached a plateau in performance. It is unlikely that he will give more than what we’ve already seen (and we’d need to hope that we’d get more than what we saw last year on the boards since if so, we’re going to lose a bunch of games with him playing).

A long extension for Stoudemire (which would undoubtedly include an escalating salary) would take him into an age where it’s likely that he’ll not be producing at the top of his game even if he’s still producing rather well. That’s just how age works and while there are exceptions, betting on an exception is never wise.

I do not know how Stoudemire will age, but he bases much of his game on explosiveness, that’s something that seems to go young. His build so far doesn’t look like he’s heading down the Shawn Kemp path, but Kemp was another big man who put up very Stoudemire-like numbers based on being an explosive and powerful big. Their games really do remind me of one another’s. Or at least they did until Kemp was about the age Stoudemire is now when all of a sudden he blimped out, lost the explosiveness, saw the rebounds decline and the scoring efficiency plummet, lost all motivation and started getting hurt all the time and stopped being a player who produced wins for his team but still had a bigbigbigbig contract. I’d be concerned. I’d do my homework first and I certainly wouldn’t bet the farm figuring that Stoudemire will be better than he’s been in the past.

by jae on Jun 26, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Considering they’re only 16 months apart age wise, I have a hard time believing there’s a huge difference there between the two. And I wasn’t trying to suggest Amare will be better (though I do think his rebounding will be closer to his higher rates of ~10.5 per 36) and we should count on that, rather what you see is what you get with both Amare and Bosh and they’re both pretty equally likely to improve.

Though I’m usually against player comparisons because most times it’s fitting a square peg into a round hole, I think the Kemp/Amare comparison is….dead on. Physically at least. Mentally…well, Amare may have a bit of an ego, but Kemp had some serious issues that really hurt his basketball career.

by Missing Barry on Jun 27, 2009 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am basing my assessment on the likelihood of either improving on the data curves I’ve seen. It’s likely that both are past any significant upswing but it’s more likely that Bosh, based on both age and time in the league, will continue to improve, even if the likelihood is minimal.

by jae on Jun 28, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“How did it go with him, Steve Nash and Shawn Marion”

Um, one suspension away from winning the championship. But yeah, they weren’t good at all.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we only drafted Jordan Hill then i would like to do the trade.

Don't trade Stephen Curry Movement

by Sinigang on Jun 26, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thankyou, I argued endlessly about having depth of bigs right up to yesterday evening and got shouted down repeatedly …

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we find a big body off the scrapheap who can match Hill’s production, at least for next season. And it sounds like Phoenix is really hot for Curry. Maybe they like him so much that we’re able to swing the deal without including Wright? I’d rather have Wright than Hill. In any case, picking the guy with the most perceived value — i.e. Curry, as any Knicks fan will attest — was the wise move.

Thing 1

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendrix!

Time to bring him back for a summer league look.

by mosdl on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you might not be surprised, but I would be – inexpensive, versatile, athletic bigs are not usually found on the scrapheap. That said, if we can hang on to Wright or Curry, all the better. I’m more worried about the extension for Amare … He has two franchises by the jewels, and can negotiate from strength.

I just wonder if PHX would be willing to throw some $$$ into the pot for the extension cost?

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“I just wonder if PHX would be willing to throw some $$$ into the pot for the extension cost?”

I just posted something about this – I think we shouldn’t have to give up as much in the trade over this (which I see as preferable to any monetary exchance).

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fwiw, no extension = no deal

Curry is not the deal breaker, the extension is imo

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still wouldn’t have a playmaker.

by Gringosaan on Jun 26, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

We either needed to draft a playmaker and trade for a big or viceversa.

Trading Curry for beef still leaves our team in the hands of Monta Ellis.

by NextSeason on Jun 26, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Still wouldn’t have a playmaker.”

So you think a team with Amare and Monta wouldn’t have a playmaker? Is that what you’re saying?

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not just that

monta, amare, randolph, jackson

ALL pass.

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's what I fear might happen

All those guys are average passers at best and none could be called a playmaker.

I’m all for the Monta experiment but I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t pan out. Monta is a great SG, lets leave it at that. Do you think Acie Law and CJ Watson are a good enough backup plan for a starting PG? Even Amar’e needed Steve Nash to be able to contend.

by NextSeason on Jun 26, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you please define what you mean by playmaker? If you’re referring to a player that creates shots for his teammates, or if you’re referring to someone who’s simply an offensive force, those are two completely different things and it’s not clear what you’re talking about.

“Even Amar’e needed Steve Nash to be able to contend.”

And Dwight Howard needed Turkoglu and Lewis, Pierce needed Garnett and Allen, Kobe needed Shaq and then Gasol + Odom, etc…

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Law and watson

are better backup Pg’s than the championship lakers have at the backup

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by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, I think the team already had playmakers… not to mention Curry’s 28.5 ppg last year.

by aBulldog on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN @ 11 AM

On a funny note they flashed the proposed trade on the screen:

Amare Stoudamire

For

Andris Biedrins, Steph Curry, Brandan Wright …and Marco Belinelli

Funny Part: Announcer says “The reported trade being discussed would be Amare Stoudamire for Andris Biedrins, Steph Curry, Brandan Wright and somebody else

I laughed at that.

Extra: They just stated “reportedly” the two teams agreed to Andris, Marco, Brandan (maybe Azu I’m not sure, but did NOT include the 7th). What complicated the issue is that Minnesota passed on Curry. Both Phoenix and GSW did not expect Curry to be there. Curry might be the deal breaker. No mention of extension talks.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."

by kenntoe on Jun 26, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No mention of extention talks?

That’s more of a deal breaker than whether or not we keep Curry or Wright.

by WYK on Jun 26, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously…. giving up on all that, and letting the guy walk is making me feel sick.

If we can get out of this not giving up Wright, or Curry, I’d still be ok with the deal. If we can keep Wright AND Curry, and give up someone like Maggette instead…. Now that’d be a pretty sick trade…. instead of me feeling sick.

by aBulldog on Jun 26, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

An extension is a given if we make the trade. We’re not making it without one.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TK is reporting along the same lines as ESPN

The morning after: Curry, Stoudemire’s contract, and the Warriors’ next move

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

"It takes a special kind of anti-mojo for a team to miss the playoffs 14 out of 15 seasons. Like, say, the Warriors under Chris Cohan."

by kenntoe on Jun 26, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

G-D GSW FO!

IF … TK’s accurate – they just released Mitch Richmond in the midst of the draft night hoopla, hoping the faithful would not notice, and it’s working … damn

TK also is over-complicating the contract-injury relationship and trying to get into Amare’s head without any shred of a source (eyes rolling) …

by hardcore on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Mitch was working for MJ

There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.

by qin on Jun 26, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i heard it will be

brandan wright OR marco belinelli

and even saw that

so if we can toss in belli and keep wright, this deal is a definite no brainer!

pull the trigger!

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawkSJSU on Jun 26, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I missing something?

We have a chance to bring a legit all-star (something we have lacked for years) to our team and people are complaining? PULL DAT DAYAM TRIGGER!!! I don’t care if Amare with Nash and Marion never got them a championship. It sure as heck gave the Suns some exciting playoff runs that we GSW fans rarely see.

Oracle needs another playoff series and this trade makes that almost definite!!!

by nuttinbutnet on Jun 26, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Amare doesn’t step onto the court from the bench is might have brought them a championship.

by Missing Barry on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

swtich Magg with baby rocky

then it all good. naw but Amare to the bay is a very good news for us.

by warriorfan4life on Jun 26, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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