My beef w/ Nellie... Why do you dislike Brandan?
by brandanwright#1fan on Jun 27, 2009 4:33 PM PDT
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PrintI open my post with the following question: Am I the only one here that finds this trade an utter abomination? Yes people I said abamination!!! I really dislike this trade in so many ways that is not funny. I also find that Don has a personal displeasure for Brandan and i dont know why, but I will get to that later on in this post.
I dont see why people here are veiwing Amare as the saviour and player that mystically is going to get us a championship. Yes I have heard various arguments that go something like:
Are the current players (BW,Marco,Andris) going to get us a ring anytime soon? Or my favorite: Amare is way better than those 3 players will ever be. I will like to tell those people that your arguments are pure hogwash (wow didn't see that one coming). Anyway, if the trade were to go down you get the following from Amare: 20-23ppg, 8-9reb, 1-2blk and a list of uncertanties health wise. Also important thing to remember is that you get that from one player!!!!
Now if the trade does not go down (which i hope) you get the following from Andris/Brandan 19-20 ppg, 14-15reb, 2-3blk. Those stats are from numbers they put up last year combined and who is to say they wont be better this year. The most important factor in this trade is that it would literally be a 4 -1 trade. Not only are you losing promising players but at the same time you are losing depth w/ playeres that already know the system. Remember, great teams not only have stars they also have depth.
Now, moving on. I really do beleive that Nellie has a personal dislike for Brandan. I dont know what it is or why but it is evident in the way he diminishes his shine on the court. Brandan is a heck of a player with fluidity and a sense of his limitations on the court, what is not to like about that!!! He doesn't turn the ball over and doesn't need the ball to score. Now if we are talking defense, hell Nellie doesn't play defense nor does Amare. So Nellie whats the beef!!!
Note: You will also be losing another 13-15ppg, 3-4ast, 1-2stl a game witth Marco/Azuabuike... So you do the math...
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Or maybe you're just bias.
Of course it would hurt if your favorite player left your favorite team but you have to learn to move on.Also Amare is no savior but he can really help improve the Dubs.
Its time for a change...
by RunNdGun on Jun 27, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions
Why would Rocky and Wright play the summer league?
They already proved their solid.
Don't trade Stephen Curry Movement
They can't by rule.
Only incoming rookies and 1 year players can play. Morrow, Randolph and Curry will play
You sure about that? What I’ve found online says the summer league is available to players with 3 years of experience or fewer.
Thing C
I head Nellie say it on an interview. He Said Brandan Wright can’t play summer league by rule cause he’s played twice. Its possible the rule is you can only play 2 times.
Individual summer leagues can set rules, but the NBA forbids teams from adding more than 4 vets to any summer league. That is written into the NBA CBA. I believe the major summer leagues (Rocky Mtn and Vegas) do have prohibitions on NBA players with more than 2 previous summer league appearances or 3 years in the league.
Frankenplayers!
In other news, CJ Belibuike will get you 35/9/6 every night!!!! You gotta play him about 80 minutes a night though, so better hope for a lot of overtimes….
by antihero on Jun 27, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Haha, rec.
And CJ Jackgette is like a 48/14/10 guy. No way would I trade him for LeBron James and his paltry 28/7/7. Frankenplayers are awesome.
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 27, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe we could do a 3-way trade with the Cavs and Wizards...
and end up with LeBrawn Jamesison
"Dont come closer. I have rabies."
I like BWright
I think he and Ronny complement each other well. On D they are a blocking machine. On offense, Ronny would play more like a power forward since he likes to move the ball around and take jump shots, BWright hangs around the basket to put away garbage and make jump hooks with those crazy arms.
This to be is the most talented, and really the best frontcourt the Warriors have ever had. At least to my memory, born in 88. I know Amar’e is a great addition, but it seems like a shame to break up this talented frontcourt that we’ve assembled for a good price before they get a real chance to show us what they can do.
I meant its a good frontcourt considering those guys are our backups to AR and AB, which is also an awesome pair
Hmmm
I don’t think I’d be lamenting the loss of two role players and a serviceable starter for an established all-star PF/C. Like most folks on this site, I like our homegrown talent, but the business of the NBA is to sell tickets and to win, both of which go hand in glove. I honestly think that brining a player in like Amare could accomplish the latter (this organization’s fanbase has proven that it will strongly support a franchise win or lose, but the more wins you get the more the casual fans start pulling out their wallets/purses).
The other side of the coin is to think of the savings this team would be getting if Amare just turns out to be a rental. Suddenly, with the absence of the contracts of Amare, Andris, Marco, and Brandan this team would be really poised to make a pretty decent run at one of the top-tier talents coming available in 2010 (I’d just drop from excitement if this team could bring Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade in, while trading away and Maggette, Ellis).
by fuller over bryant on Jun 28, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Nellie is like the guy
with the hot girlfriend, he parades her around when he meets her, but as soon as they get together he doesn’t like her anymore and has his eye on your girlfriend. Am I the only one who remembers that 3 short years ago Nellie announced to everyone that Bellinelli who had just been drafted would be the starting point guard that season. I am still waiting.
If you go back several years, Billie Owens was going to be the savior, then it was Webber, then Wright, now it is Curry. I promise you in 4 months Nellie will be telling us he can’t play Curry because he will lose us games. Same story, different year, always the same.
Am I the only one who remembers that 3 short years ago Nellie announced to everyone that Bellinelli who had just been drafted would be the starting point guard that season
I think so, do you have a link? I think you dreamed that.
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 27, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Belinelli has all the tools to be a very good nba player
He’s shown glimpses… but lets be fair, more often than note he’s been out of control
I remember him saying something to the accord of how Belinelli was at the top of the depth chart at off guard and he really liked what he was doing. That was early in training camp. The allocation of PT in the preseason games indicated that he wasn’t ever terribly convinced by his own statements.
I don’t remember him ever saying that Wright would be a team savior or anything close to that.
Owens helped the team improve from low playoff seed to 55 win team. Webber really was good enough to be a savior on the court. It was issues off the court between him and Nellie and the guys who write paychecks that soured that, not Nellie’s interest in another player.
Belinelli's best month was december
averaged 30.1 mpg, 14.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2.1 TOpg, 44.9 fg%, 38.4 3pt%.
We went 5-10 during that period. He didnt show to be a terrible efficient shooter. not Awful, but by no means a given starter.
I like Brandan but
Randolph is better or at least has more superstar potential, so Wright becomes the expendable player however I don’t think the Warriors want to trade him. They just wouldn’t mind it as long as it got them a proven low post guy.
by T-Money on Jun 27, 2009 6:17 PM PDT reply actions
I'm with myk let them grow and develop and see what we have
I think Wright could turn out to be like LaMarcus in Portland who is another skinny guy with a nice touch around the rim. LaMarcus is a very good player, borderline all star who took time to develop but look at him now. I think we should try and follow the way Portland did which build a young core together, be patient and then you have a growing team in the playoffs getting better and adding pieces.
Though an offensively gifted player, I wouldn’t consider Aldridge a “borderline all-star.” He’s a big man who relies too much on his jumpshot, which consequently results in his inefficient .484 shooting percentage per 36 minutes. He also really struggles to get rebounds with 7.3 per 36 minutes. Both stats are well below average for a 6’11" power forward, and I’d rather take Amare if Wright turns into an Aldridge.
lamarcus is more of a shooter than brandan
and an awful rebounder.
He will probably
become an all star eventually if he continue to improve and Portland continue to win
I think I’ve read about a thousand Amare-related posts on GSoM, and I can’t remember a single one saying that trading for Amare = championship.
What people have said, and I think this is accurate, is that you need top-flight players like Amare to contend for a championship. So step 1 is getting a player(s) like that, then you have to fill out the rest of the roster.
Thing C
to win a championship ALOT of things would have to happen
Amare would definitely help. Behind yao, DHoward, maybe Duncan there arent any more efficient post players. That alone would give us an inside out game, something we haven’t had. Players like Jack would benefit with more open jumpers. I am confident if we did bWright, beli and biedrins (and even buike) 4 amare. We’d be a playoff team. We’d have holes but its not hard to find a couple role players we’d need. 1 would be a forward who can defend and pass some (bring Barnes) He’d probably be someone who’d see 15-20 minutes a game with maggette getting lion share of minutes. And then a big who’d be 4th in our big man rotation who can rebound a bit (possibly jemario, i dunno…Given our propensity to go small at times this player wouldn’t be seeing heavy enough minutes).
We could have a team that looks like this: Monta, Jack, Barnes, Randolph, Amare. Bench: Maggette, Morrow, Curry, Turiaf, 4th big. We’d have some passing, some D, scoring off bench, shooters, slashers. It’d be an exciting team and 1 that barring another injury nightmare year would definitely be a playoff team
BUT to be a western conference contender we’d need a few things to happen:
1. Monta would need to jump to the next level, become an all star. He’d have to continue to be an efficient offensive player like 07-08, and learn to involve more people.
2. Jack needs to play a little more under control. As a 3rd option, he’s a very good player.
3. Randolph would need to continue his offensive development, BUT more so he needs to rebound rebound. Amare isn’t as good a rebounder as Biedrins, but with his offensive skills, we can afford to have Randolph on the floor if he is contributing defensively and more importantly rebounding. A longer Shawn Marion is not an awful comparison in terms of his style of game. And Marion-Amare flourished. We wouldn’t need Randolph to be near the offensive force Marion was cause we have enough offensive, but if he can rebound and play under control offensively we’d be fine.
but at this point thats all you can hope for. We’d have enough TALENT to challenge deep, now its a matter of them playing to there fullest potential. Because odds arent that we can get kobe or lebron to team with amare…
Your sounding bias
I understand Brandan is your favorite and you can’t stand the fact of him possibly getting traded. But what makes you think Nellie has a beef with him. You don’t even have to worry at this point, Phoenix wanted Curry to be included in the trade along with Beans, Marco, and Brandan, but the Warriors declined.
Curry and Wright are here to stay
It is the shoes!!!
Where do you see anything about Wright in that article?
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 27, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh
Since the Suns wanted Beans, Marco, Wright and Curry and the Warriors already promise not to trade him then brandanwrights#1 fan wouldn’t have to worry about Wright Leaving.
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 27, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
My bad
In other words, Phoenix wanted Curry included in the deal along with Biedrins and Brandan, the Warriors declined, decided to keep Curry and brandanwrights#1fan wouldn’t have to worry about trading his favorite player.
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 27, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
at this point curry's value could not be higher... d'antoni compared him to nash
he hasnt played a game yet to prove it wrong so yes he’s crucial to the trade considering if pheonix did this, they’d be in a rebuild.
That being said if it true, would WE want to give him?
people around here are starved for a BIG NAME.
AMARE IS NOT A CENTER. never will be no matter how much u want him to be. he’s offensive game is no different than AB in that he scores a lot off pick and rolls and AB comes at half the price and is a legit center. if amare was a back to basket scorer it would be different, but he’s not. so where are all these double teams gonna come from?
second, as BIG a name as amare is, he is still not a #1 option on championship team, ask 2 time MVP steve nash. when he was at his best a couple of years ago on a team that was championship ready, he didn’t propel them to a Final, so now, after some major knee surgeries and messed up eye, you wanna pay a #2 option max money. this will end bad, just like most warrior trades.
he’s offensive game is no different than AB in that he scores a lot off pick and rolls and AB comes at half the price and is a legit center.
Is this a joke? I’m guessing based on your punctuation that it’s not.
Amare has a very capable jump shot. That’s part of what made his pick/roll with Nash so effective. He was deadly from the elbow.
Thing C
i don't care about his jumpshot
if he’s gonna get max money to be our center, his offense better be centered in the paint.
AMARE IS NOT A CENTER. never will be no matter how much u want him to be. he’s offensive game is no different than AB in that he scores a lot off pick and rolls and AB comes at half the price and is a legit center.
Thats totally ridiculous. Per 36 mins Amare scores a lot more points even more efficiently than Biedrins, his offensive game is also a lot more diverse than Biedrins’ and he’s a very good free throw shooter while Biedrins is a very bad one. He doesn’t rebound nearly as well as Biedrins but other than that I have no idea why you would say he isn’t a center. He’s at least as much of a center as Turiaf who played quite a bit of center for us.
Thing A
Hmmm
I’d say paying Rashard Lewis max or at least close to max money is working well for Orlando, and he’s clearly not the #1 option down there. And I think you’re seriously underestimating Amare’s offensive skills.
a max deal for a guy that can’t be the best player on a contender is almost always a bad idea and if the magic lose turkoglu, they will make it very clear why that is the case.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Point taken
But to give the Magic the benefit of a doubt, Turkoglu was perhaps a little better than a solid role player when Lewis was signed and traded to Orlando. He was rather inconsistent and passive before the last two seasons and before winning the MIP. Otis probably never figured that this Magic team would reach the Finals this soon, much less that Turk would become such an instrumental part of their success. Ultimately though, I agree that he’ll probably kick himself if/when Hedo jumps to another team.
the two main issues with giving a max deal player who can’t lead you to a title are that since there are very few guys who can, it’s a big risk to assume that you’ll be able to afford a player on that elite level after dropping almost $20M on someone else and even if you avoid that pitfall (as the magic did) filling out the rest of your roster with good players is a bit more challenging when you’re already so strapped for cash.
you’d have to think that lewis is worth somwhere around the $12M range and even if they overpaid by a bit, they’d still be able to get him without throwing the max his way. so now, they’ve got a few million dollars less to spend on turkoglu this summer. that kind of cash would assure that he’d be around next year.
if they thought hedo was a decent player and nothing more, giving rashard the max was even dumber because it would prevent them from going out and getting someone who they thought could help take them to contender status. the lewis deal was made to look closer to acceptable because of hedo turkoglu’s play. now that other teams are aware of his value, they could be saying goodbye to hedo.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Hindsight is 20/20
I don’t disagree that the Lewis max deal now is going to pose major problems for the Magic when they lose Hedo. I’m also not advocating that handing out bad deals is a good thing, I was just pointing out an instance that disproves (barely… and not so much now given the current situation) KeepdaCore’s fatalistic proclamation that paying these #2 guys max money leads to imminent disaster.
At the time and during the last few seasons, the deal worked out for the Magic and brought them to the Finals. You can say they definitely got lucky with the emergence of Turk, Nelson, and even Gortat, all while being able to trade for Rafer Alston when they needed him. Certainly the deal is now less justifiable, but Orlando was operating to try to build a contender quickly. And to lure Lewis in (and they were convinced he was that great a fit at the time), they rushed in and overbid when the Sonics were having a firesale. Oops.
while it’s not a certainity that giving max money to a number two guy will ruin your team’s chances to contend, you need a lot of luck for it to work out. the magic had that luck on their side in the past couple years.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Which is exactly my point. For any team, there are many confounding variables (injuries, emergence of rotation players, etc.) in leading to success or failure based on these moves. I just think it’s a cop out to automatically say for certain the Warriors will fail by giving Amare max money to be the “#2” guy on the team. If we go for the deal, maybe we’ll be lucky, maybe we won’t be. At least we’ll shoot for the moon and fail rather than not trying at all.
if the warriors gave amare the max, it would almost certainly prevent us from being title contenders for the foreseeable future. amare just isn’t good enough to warrant giving that much cash to (though he’s better than rashard lewis) and in our situation, we don’t have the money to give the max to another guy who actually could lead us to a title. we don’t have a dwight howard caliber player to make that deal sensible.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
That’s one of the various reasons why I’m still on the fence about the whole trade. Neither option vaults us into a playoff team, much less a championship calibur team. Adding Amare does make us better equipped to contend for the playoffs in the short run, but staying put gives us much more financial flexibility for the future while working with “potential.” Frankly, I’m nervous about these talks given that our “right move” is still being decided on by the F.O., and their track record with these decisions has not been very good.
In any case, the Warriors would have to start from scratch to build a team that could compete for the championship. I’ll probably write up a fanpost later on to discuss details as to how to actually build one, and I’ll definitely appreciate some input.
a player on nelson's bench
needs to maintain a specific mind-set. not unlike being an understudy to a principal part in a big stage or opera production—stay ready to shine on an instant’s notice. i think azubuike or morrow commented about it, just staying ready to go in anytime. wright himself said he was mentally far better prepared in his second season, compared to his first. however, when he gained nelson’s confidence and was on the brink of getting regular starts and playing time—he was hurt. randolph the successful understudy is ready to take on the starter’s job, and wright gets to start over on the bench. probably not personal animus on nelson’s part vs. wright, just his programmed view on the unproven, ’til repeated positive impressions prove otherwise.
good point
the only reason wright is now backing randolph is because he got hurt. which was unfortunate for wrihgt because while he was hurt randolph took advantage of all the playing time and basically was a beast.
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by gametime_gsw on Jun 27, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to admit
Last season with the emergence of Randolph I gave up on Wright. Wright emboddied the hope of our future for a bit (and obviously the loss of J-Rich), and he looked to be a decent player with efficient offense and few mistakes. But there are a few glaring weaknesses that make it hard to see him as being more than a bench player. In two years in the NBA, has he gained any weight? Granted there are players like Tayshaun Prince who have wirey strength and get the job done, but Wright gets pushed around WAY too much to be an effective rebounder for us. Secondly, the shoulder injury he suffered is worrisome, mainly because I remember when it happened he was guarding Pau Gasol, and to the best of my knowledge he wasn’t even touching Gasol and his shoulder just slid out. That sounds like his shoulder could be a recurring problem in the future (I’ve partially dislocated my shoulder 5 times playing sports, though somehow never in Basketball. It is never the same after the first time.) Wright is a very efficient offensive player who plays within his means, I’ll give him that. IF, and only if, Wright can put on some muscle in the offseason, he might be able to improve slightly in the rebounding department (I know that reb. rate is considered a stable stat with little change over a players career), enought to where his overall worth would make keeping him a good idea. But if there is a deal on the table shipping AB, BW, Belli, and Buike (or a future pick, my personal pref) for Amare, you have to do the deal. Warriors fans are quite possibly the best in the NBA, but we all suffer from a slight case of homerism. We have been a losing franchise for so long, that we don’t realize we might like a player because we drafted him or found him in the d-league, but if we didn’t even make it to the playoffs (which, sadly, is enought to make us all happy, not even a championship) obviously we need to make changes, and that means getting rid of some of the guys that we have become attached to.
by Pearlsofwisdom on Jun 28, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
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