Wow, this trade would really help our team
by myk on Jun 28, 2009 11:47 AM PDT
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Before the draft the word from the Warriors front office was that we had four players we were not willing to trade, they were labeled "untouchables". The foursome were Monta, Morrow, Randolph, and Biedrins. I agree that these four are "untouchable" and they are a great young core to build around. After listening to Larry Riley tell the media, on mutliple occasions, that we are looking to add a veteran player who can play the 3 or the 4, who can defend and rebound well, this trade came to mind.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kk8jkv
Why we do it
Basically we get the exact type of player that Larry Riley was talking about, and we keep our "untouchaebles". His contract only has 3 years left, and AK47 is a great player. His offensive numbers, mostly his scoring, would increase by moving to the Warriors. Not only would he greatly improve our defense/rebounding, but he also moves the ball around really well. We'd basically be getting the opposite of Corey Maggette. One of the things that had been tripping me up about the Amare Stoudemire trade was the fact we were trading two of our big men and only getting one in return. This would make our frontcourt depth really weak, especially if Amar'e or AR were to get injured. With this trade we're giving up one big man and getting a solid vet who can play the 3 or the 4 extremely well.
I think Utah would do this trade because they don't really use Kirilenko to his full potential anymore, and they know it. Plus the current free agent situations of Boozer/Okur/Milsap could get messy for them, BWright is a great young PF with a lot of room to grow. Not to mention that one of his best games, if not his best game, last year came against Utah. Belinelli basically just sweetens the deal and gives them a talented guard who can backup either position and shoot the ball well, I think Sloan would really like to work with both of their games.
So what do you think?
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If you clicked on the trade machine link
You’d see that the salaries do match.
by WYK on Jun 28, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Better passing, better defense. He can possibly start or be a sixth man. I would first see if Maggette and Marco work first though so we can keep Wright.
by dubzfan on Jun 28, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Negative!
Im still anxious to see how the W’s do with the current roster. I think we have a decent team that can rack up more wins next year if we’re healthy.
I dont mind trading corey that much because we know what to expect from him. I really like marco and still think that he has a bunch of potential. Same with brandan. Beli is just screwed fighting for minutes with everyone else. brandan has been injured. I’d like to see beli and brandan show there stuff this season before we deem them totoally expendable.
by Butt Secks on Jun 28, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even though I made this post, I'm with you
We have a solid young squad, I’d like to see what they can do. It’s just unfortunate that our management feels something needs to be done, based on what Riley has said, I think this is the best trade to fulfill their desire
by myk on Jun 28, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's apparent to management that BWright and Marco don't really have a place on this team
based on the last two drafts. They know they’re good players and deserve a shot somewhere else, so they want to move them. I don’t think they feel they need Maggette’s skills and they obviously want a veteran who can play 3/4 who puts an emphasis on defense and rebounding. That’s why I suggest this trade. In all honesty, it does make us better.
I see the Amar’e move as a gamble and a lateral move at best. This year, it would be a slight improvement, years after, not so sure. Especially when taking the contract into consideration. This trade is purely positive. The only real thing we’re losing is Maggette’s scoring, and a backup PF, Kirilenko fills the backup role, and I don’t know how necessary Magette’s scoring is to our squad… Plus Kirilenko is only on for 3 years. We’re only adding 3 mil to the cap and we have 7+ mil coming off the cap next year with the departure of Speedy and Acie.
If management makes a trade, this should be it.
by myk on Jun 28, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly why we're not doing it.
I think Utah would do this trade because they don’t really use Kirilenko to his full potential anymore, and they know it
Its time for a change...
by RunNdGun on Jun 28, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the only real reason the Jazz would do this trade is to get out of the luxury tax… well that and Jerry Sloan’s infatuation for muscle guys.
by homer simpson on Jun 28, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and after that tragedy during the 2007 playoffs...its hard to imagine him in a Warriors jersey
Its time for a change...
by RunNdGun on Jun 28, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm interested
in who people think we should get? If not Kirelinko then who? Please don’t say Amare either.
by dubzfan on Jun 28, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
get Ariza just so that Faker fans can hate the Warriors as much as NYKs fans do.
by homer simpson on Jun 28, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he’s a free agent so that would stop us from getting rid of Maggette.
by dubzfan on Jun 28, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Rather have Paul Millsap
a back to the basket bruiser/bounder/banger
or maybe we could steal DNA from Karl Malone, put in a petri dish with an accelerant and have a perfect PF by the end of the season – no trade necessary!
by joegiant on Jun 28, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve already stated my hatred for all things Kirilenko. That was before I realized he’s making over $15 mil a year. The thought of Kirilenko on the Warriors makes me want to throw up.
by Missing Barry on Jun 28, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But w/ Andris & AK, they could have a hilarious marketing angle with the dynamic duo of the “Drago twins” . Tell me you wouldn’t buy that t-shirt.
by homer simpson on Jun 28, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My hatred of Kirilenko runs so deeply I can’t even enjoy that joke…
by Missing Barry on Jun 28, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah… then for your sake, i hope the W’s don’t acquire him.
by homer simpson on Jun 28, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, but if by some miracle the Jazz owner is so cheap that he throws in the NYKs 2009 unprotected pick just to complete this deal, then it’s a no brainer.
by homer simpson on Jun 28, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maggette + Claxton
And I’m in. The biggest reason? Kirilenko with his 2 years and $34M on his deal as opposed to having Maggette until 2013. Is he a little bitc*? Yea, he is. Like a friend of mine would say, he’s Anthony Randolph – the athleticism – the tenacity. They’ve always been rumored to be enamoured with Maggette so its entirely plausible.
You then wait on Phoenix to realize there’s no better deal out there than what we’re offering.
Andris + Wright + Belinelli for Amare
PG: Monta, Curry
SG: Jack, Morrow
SF: Azubuike, Kirilenko
PF: Randolph, Turiaf
C: Amare, _______
By my rough estimations….that lineup is a smidgen below the salary cap and fully equipped with a MLE.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 28, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maggette and Speedy work cap wise
but I don’t think that alone is enought to get Utah to pull the trigger.
by myk on Jun 28, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'd definitely be a
best-case scenario for us…but it’s clear Utah has definitely known for quite sometime that he’s not worth very much more than half his salary.
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 28, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahahaha
listen everyone, kirilenko is NOT good with man to man D. he is a good weakside defender, he gets blocks from the weak side. he is NOT a stopper and he can’t guard good players 1 on 1. and finally, we wouldn’t have enough scoring without maggette.
by HoLdEmUP on Jun 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not enough scoring without Maggette?
Seriously?
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 28, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have plenty of scoring without Maggette
In fact with him it’s going to be tougher to get everyone there shots. Ellis , Curry, Jackson, Randolph, Biedrins, Azebuike, Morrow and Marco are enough to overcome the loss of Maggette
by dubzfan on Jun 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh
thats really not true. Kirilenko IS one of the better one on one defenders in the league, he doesn’t get as many of his blocks coming over to help the weakside as most guys with high blocks totals do. He would be our best one on one defender by a HUGE margin.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 28, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually, what you just said is not true.
the scoring thing, i can agree with. the kirilenko defense? no. has anyone watched him play d the last few years? he can’t stay in front of anyone.
by HoLdEmUP on Jun 29, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea I actually watched Utah quite a bit last year, I don’t think he’s been the same defensive player the last two or three years that he was his first couple years, but he was a dominant defensive player at that time, he’s still very, very good. What part of what I said is not true?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 29, 2009 3:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rather have Ariza
But it seems like the Lakers are going to re-sign him.
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 28, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope someone else out bids LA for him, he is the only Laker I root for.
There's a party in my mind.
And I wish that I was there.
by qin on Jun 28, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant to vote no
after he got dunked on by Baron he has never been the same
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by i love sports101 on Jun 28, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did that have the same effect on his career
as a torn ACL, meniscus, or microfracture or somethin?
by phiLthyphiL on Jun 28, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of what he’s done on the court since then, we all know he’s a little bit less of a man since that moment. :)
by Missing Barry on Jun 28, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we would be better with
Brandon Bass. I think he is a better team player and wont cost us an arm and a leg.
by w00143881 on Jun 28, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bass can only play the 4 and I don’t see how he’s an upgrade over Randolph or Wright there.
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 28, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Genuinely curious about your answer. How is Brandon “Black Hole” Bass and his 1.3 assist per 48 minutes a better team player than AK47 who sports a 3.4 asst per 36 minutes and is constantly helping out his teammates on the defensive end?
wont cost us an arm and a leg.
yeah, 7-10th men never do. Bass is a nice addition to some teams, but for the dubs he’s just another middling player on a roster full of middling players. the NBA is more about your top 3-5 players not 1-12.
by homer simpson on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great trade
Kirilenko would seem to be the perfect Nellie combo PF and wing, and the main cost is just Maggette and two players Nellie will never play, Wright and Belinelli. Good passer, defender, open court player who can score. If Utah would do this, the Warriors need to get it done.
by old49er on Jun 28, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Wright could be worth more
and he could be usedin a bigger package to get Bosh
by Jayd92009 on Jun 28, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the real question ...
Is wright a throw-in, or is he a player with real value over the next couple of years?
He’s had two years, and hasn’t answered the questions about his motivation and work ethic. Sooner or later, everyone else is going to figure that out, so if he’s not going to deliver, his trade value is probably at an all-time high.
On the other hand, if he’s actually going to figure it out, he’s worth more than we can get for him.
by Ronaldinho on Jun 29, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Maggette, Wright and Belinelli...
However I like Kirilenko on the team even more. As the other serious trade being considered leaves us with Amare/Maggette while this one leaves us with Biedrens/Kirilenko, cap flexibility and fewer worries about injuries, I’d prefer Kirilenko.
by breaker on Jun 28, 2009 9:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's why I posted it
we lose Maggette’s scoring, plenty of our players can score though. Kirilenko becomes our 6th/7th man, along with Curry. I ultimately see Nellie putting Curry on the bench to start the season, he may be able to work his away into the starting lineup later on, I think Morrow has a better shot though. We would look like this:
Monta/Steph
Jack/Morrow
Buike/AK47
AR/AK or Ronny
AB/Ronny
That’s really legit. I think this team is better than the team would be after the Amar’e trade. Maybe not this year, but years after mos def. Plus the financial situation would be waaaaaay better. We take on an expensive contract. but its only for 3 years and we lose Maggette’s contract, vs keeping his contract and taking on a player with questionable health who would get a max deal for 5/6 years
by myk on Jun 29, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn’t that the same trade/lineup I posted in another thread a few days ago?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 29, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirilenko’s deal actually only extends till ‘10-’11. So he has two years left, not three.
by homer simpson on Jun 29, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would azubuike start over kirilenko?
by dubsfan510 on Jun 30, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do this trade
AK47 is a better fit for us than Mags. Bellinelli doesn’t play, so that’s no cost. And Wright, well, I keep feeling like it’s about time his potential turned into production. I’m worried that he just doesn’t care enough, that he’s never going to be a hard enough worker to be successful in the NBA.
But even if he does, I still think this is a good trade – partly because I really feel like Mags simply isn’t helping this team very much. AR, AK, and AB make for a very interesting mobile frontcourt. We’ll still have some trouble against power bigs, but I think you can probably run those three guys at the same time and create very challenging mismatches. offensively.
Kirilenko is vastly overpaid, but he’s only got two years left, compared to Mags being somewhat overpaid for a lot of years.
by Ronaldinho on Jun 29, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love it
but Jerry Sloan hates it. None of those guys are the gritty, tough Jerry Sloan type players.
Ellis to the RIM!
Monta for the win?! YES!
by XIAOXIAO on Jun 29, 2009 9:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no won't help
AK can’t shoot the 3 and therefore won’t be a good fit at SF. Basically does what Wrigth and Randolph do for 1/8 of the cost.
by Balance on Jun 29, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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