A different angle perhaps? How about the FA pool?
by esco41510 on Jun 30, 2009 11:54 AM PDT
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So we're all buzzing off the the Amar'e possibility. But seems like that Suns are butt hurt that we got Stephen Curry @ #7 and the deal could be losing it's legs. No indication the Warriors would go this way, but what if they look to add that "beef" through Free Agency?
Looking @ Chad Fords latest list of available FA's. We need to take into consideration that some are restricted, but would any GSoMers be interested in some of these player out there? Also, not to sure about the number, but does anyone know what kind of flexibility we currently have w/ the cap? Maybe some more player movement to dump some $$$ could have us bringing in a quality player.
I've added a poll to see what kinda of player we're really looking for. The list includes some small players that could play the 3/4, and some larger 4/5 players(at least in our system). I know there are a few other like Gooden, Wilcox and Frye that could fill some roster slots, but I'm going for the bigger named players.
REMEMBER: This is hypothetical, if we could get a FA. Not counting the Cap.
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Charlie V!!!
We wouldn’t have to give him as much money as we would the bigger names like Amare, Hedo, Boozer, or Marion. Lee and Odom looks like they’ll be back with their respective teams. I think Charlie V would fit this system very well and would be good for the price he would be demanding in this market.
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by JustSomeName on Jun 30, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And...
He plays NO D, so he fits right in…haha
But, he is a scorer. No doubt, i wouldn’t mind him.
by esco41510 on Jun 30, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
al harrington 2.0
better attitude, less talent, about equal efficiency
by tafkasam on Jun 30, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, not to sure about the number, but does anyone know what kind of flexibility we currently have w/ the cap?
None.
Maybe some more player movement to dump some $$$ could have us bringing in a quality player.
At this point, “player movement” cannot bring us cap space to spend in this off-season. Contracts that have expired have expired and you cannot trade for. Any deal we make now will have to bring back almost as much salary as we send out since the other team will need to send out salary to open up space to take our contracts.
The only way would be to get players to agree to gigantic buyouts at pennies on the dollar (e.g. “Maggs, you’ll take a $40 [not $40 mil, but two Andrew Jacksons] to walk away, right?” Not going to happen) or find a team with cap space willing to take on our salaries without sending any players back (also not likely to happen).
We have the MLE to work with for free agency.
by jae on Jun 30, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Jae...
Thought you’d come thru on the answers. What’s the MLE lookin like, around $4-$5 Mil?
by esco41510 on Jun 30, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s about $5.5m for next season, and annual raises of 8% are allowed.
Thing C
by markdash on Jun 30, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lamar?!?
we dont need lamar! we got a better version of lamar in the making with randolph!
by lowchi on Jun 30, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+10000000000000
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by JustSomeName on Jun 30, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d love to agree with you, but i really don’t know if AR is ever gonna be to handle like odom, especially in traffic.
by rjnarayen on Jun 30, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen to Odom himself
Lamar already said AR will be much better than him. NBA players don’t gravitate towards humility so I think you can put some value to his opinion.
by Lifelong on Jun 30, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is what I would've done...
We should’ve traded S-Jax to Orlando for C Lee + expiring contracts (SJax would have been a great replacement for Hedo and at a cheaper price for Orlando + more D). Then we can pick up some complimentry pieces from the FA pool like Lee, Amare, or Marion.
Our biggest need is a low post big men that can score and a defensive swingman (like a Battier or Trevor Ariza maybe even Bowen!). We definitely already have enough scoring on the team
by yuman1234 on Jun 30, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like buike as the defensive swingman. however the need for a post player is legit. the only guy i see on there is boozer that fits the post player description and no way we get him with maggette still on the books.
by FG4PREZ on Jun 30, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Bass
Don't trade Stephen Curry Movement
by Sinigang on Jun 30, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Have Randolph start, then have Bass coming off the bench.
It is the shoes!!!
by LighTz707OuT on Jun 30, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE BIRDMAN!
Turiaf and Andersen together would be siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick
by honkiehonk on Jun 30, 2009 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sick? sick in the head
recipe for disaster…yeah bring that up against SA or the Lakers….you kiddin me
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be sick
Birdman and Turiaf coming of the Bench
by WarriorsOwnz on Jun 30, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they’re the same player? come on
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering our financial situation, I think the most realistic choices would be Charlie V, the Birdman, or Gortat. Not sure how much any of them would be demanding on the market, but would any of them accept the MLE?
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by JustSomeName on Jun 30, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Matrix!!!!!
he seems perfect for us
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USC Trojan Fan
by i love sports101 on Jun 30, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s past his prime and I think his numbers will start to dwindle in the coming years…
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by JustSomeName on Jun 30, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why isn’t Jason Kidd on the list? He’s staying put?
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 30, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I personally would love to see Gortat in a Warriors uni
he provides interior toughness, rebounds well has a nice post game, all of these things would be nice and I think we might be able to get him for the MLE.
The only issue with this I think Nelson is in love with the idea of having shooters at every position including center which is the main reason why were willing to get rid of all these young players/possible trade pieces for one overated superstar named Amare.
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jun 30, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Give 6 mil a year to D. Howards practice meat
yeah with 8% increases…smart move…tie up what lil money we have in Gortat. I can’t believe you wrote this.
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t change a thing. The Warriors will have no salary cap space for like 4 years anyway, so signing a guy to the MLE every year won’t make a difference for quite a while.
Thing C
by markdash on Jun 30, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t change a thing
you’re right…However…Gortat? i can’t believe people want Todd Fuller jr
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you REALLY believe that? I can only assume that you haven’t looked past the pasty color of their skin if you’re comparing the two. In the sense that they’re both white, Gortat might be Fuller Jr. In terms of quality of play, they aren’t at all similar. Gortat played very well throughout the season and reasonably well last season. Fuller was never good.
by jae on Jun 30, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MARK, does your MLE account for the money we save with Claxton insurance?
Actually someone with good knowledge should start a new thread with the Cap numbers. I wonder who’s salarys are toward the cap and who’s tradeable. Is Perovic’s salary still there? Are his rights trade able? What about Tin Foyle? Or if all this breakdown is already some place a link would be great.
by Balance on Jun 30, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
here you go
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Claxton’s salary has no impact on the MLE. Every team can use the MLE unless they are under the cap by an amount exceeding the MLE, so using the MLE is irrelevant.
www.hoopshype.com/salaries is a great place to see who the Warriors are paying.
Thing C
by markdash on Jun 30, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Claxton’s insurance money has no effect on the cap. His whole salary counts, even if he’s being paid by bailout money pushed to a failing insurance company.
by jae on Jun 30, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
our tax dollars hard at work paying Speedy Claxton? Strangely, the idea doesn’t bother me much…
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 30, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team looks really good
What if we did the Amare trade of Marco, Biedrins , and Wright. Then sign Dahntay Jones for some defensive help. Then trade Maggette and Claxton for Kirelinko
PG- Curry (I think he will get the starting job sooner rather then later), Ellis, Law
SG – Ellis, Morrow, Jones
SF – Jackson, Azebuike, Kirelinko
PF – Randolph, Kirelinko ( he will play both under Nelson), Davidson
C- Amare , Turiaf
With the Suns dropping off, Utah and New Orleans’ status up in the air and Dallas slipping some this opens up a playoff spot for us.
by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
dont forget yao-less rockets
with mcgrady out till minimum january
by tafkasam on Jun 30, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirelinko
is slated to make like 17 Mil next season, so no the salaries are way too far apart
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maggette makes just over 10 mil a year
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No not yet. He makes $8,937,931 this upcoming season and $9,600,000 next season. He won’t be making “over 10 mil a year” till the ‘11-’12 season.
I believe the salaries in trades can be within 125% of each other. In 2 months from the day he was traded for, Claxton can easily be added to that scenario to make the deal work.
I don’t know how badly Utah’s owner wants to avoid paying the luxury tax and what other offers they are receiving. ESPN’s Sheridan is saying that Utah would likely have to throw in that unprotected 2010 NYK’s pick in order to find any takers for Kirilenko. Once they do, I expect that they’ll get better luxury tax relief offers than what we can provide.
by homer simpson on Jun 30, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But remeber during free agency teams gain some money
when players leave. Like if we did the trade tomorrow it probably could go through.
by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gortat???? hahahaha yeah thats the answer....
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually think that he could be a great backup center and a very good piece to have in future
trade scenarios. I think your Todd Fuller comment is pretty weak maybe you should watch some NBA games before running your big mouth.
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jun 30, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't even argue with you!
i can’t believe Gortats name was even brought up!
He’s a reserve, a backup, an energy player…not someone you give the MLE (6 mil) a year to…you homer.
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually he is the kind of player you give the MLE to I personally would rather have Gortat
making 5.5 mill then Kaman making what like 11 million, or Dampier, the list could go on but I’ll stop there. Again you need to backup off the beer buddy and zip it.
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jun 30, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm done bro
live in your fantasy land where Gortat is servin Tim Duncan and Pau Gasol.
and for the record i love beer.
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never mentioned him in the same breath with elite NBA centers keep drinking your beer
reallydrunkystaeofmind
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jun 30, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know if gortat is the answer
or if even want him on my team, but i do know that he burned us last year when orlando came to town and for whatever reason dwight didnt play. gortat is definitely going to be a starter in the future, maybe even next year.
I'm gametime_gsw, and I approve this message.
by gametime_gsw on Jun 30, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it sounds like you don’t understand current NBA salary structures. Big men are paid at a higher rate than wings & points.
The going rate for back up big men coming off the rookie scale is around $6 million dollars.
some examples:
Nazr Mohammed, $6,466,600
DeSagana Diop, $6,031,800
Darko Milicic, $7,500,000
Jared Jeffries, $6,466,600
Nick Collison, $6,250,000
Tony Battie, $6,292,000
Dan Gadzuric, $6,745,000
Jeff Foster, $6,077,500
by homer simpson on Jun 30, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doh accidentally blockquoted myself.
by homer simpson on Jun 30, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you gonna keep working homerisms into your comments?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 1, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your Todd Fuller comment is pretty weak
“Pretty weak” is being generous. Totally ridiculous and uniformed would be more accurate.
by jae on Jun 30, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys kill me with the trade senerios....
trade mags for this guy, trade monta for that guy…you guys make it seem like trading players is as easy as trading baseball cards!!! killin me here smalls!
you do realize there is acutal $$$$ involved right?with contracts right with clauses in contracts right?
Just stop with all the BS trades ok…this isnt your franchise on NBA2K9, this is real life.
THE COMPUTER IS NOT GONNA EXCEPT YOUR TRADE!
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what's with the negativity
this is a fan forum where fans make the trades and sign FA’s. 99.9% it’ll never happen, but it’s fun to talk about. Before you ask the fans to get real, you need to get real with your spelling (EXCEPT—>ACCEPT). PEACEEEEEEEEE
by honkiehonk on Jun 30, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
F that
its not negativity..its REALITY.
I came to this site thinking there would be warrior fans with actual knowledge. Then I scroll down and read all this crap and it stinks.
all you can pin on me is my spelling? come on…next
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I hate hypothetical trade talk. i don’t mind discussing any particular player and how he might fit with our team but the proposed players we offer is such a waste of internet space, and yes I know it may be infinite and it’s still a waste.
“hey how about I trade you my dirt TP for a date with your GF?” ….ya really. That is what they all sound like. I’m with Mr. REAL here. Unless you it’s linked to a rumor some where, it should be off limits.
If i’m alone then i’m sorry and continue on with your “let’s trade Maggette for Tony Parker cause the salaries are close enough and it works on ESPN” talk.
by Balance on Jun 30, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
REAL:
Yup, you’re pretty good at shouting in ALL CAPS and telling other posters they’re idiots.
Unfortunately, you’ve written nothing in this thread that demonstrates that you’re particularly smart or insightful. And a lot that suggests that you aren’t.
If you’re such a genius, why don’t you post something here that isn’t complete garbage?
Thing 1
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 30, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re such a genius, why don’t you post something here that isn’t complete garbage?
Don’t hold your breath
Thing 2
by olympicmike on Jun 30, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE ONLY THING WE HAVE GOING RIGHT NOW
is the fact that finally, yes finally, the west is slowing down and a number of teams are falling off…UTAH, HOUSTON, NEW ORLEANS, PHOENIX, DALLAS…teams like Portland, GS, and I’ll go out and say it, THE THUNDER will be be able to compete with the likes of those teams. Period
by REALstateofmind on Jun 30, 2009 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont see how utah, houston, new orleans and dallas is falling off
they might not be favorite to win the championship next year but theyll most likely be in the play-offs.
I'm gametime_gsw, and I approve this message.
by gametime_gsw on Jun 30, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leon Powe
Bring him home! Maybe he can be signed for cheap due to injury. Dude has mad heart and will be a good influence on the youngin’s.
LeBron James? I'm the only Ty Crane.
by misterjennings on Jun 30, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s an RFA and I doubt that the Celtics wanna let him go. He was a good backup to KG and even started quite a few games when KG was out.
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by JustSomeName on Jun 30, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Artest baby!I love that guy
Jackson+Artest=brawl
Its time for a change...
by RunNdGun on Jun 30, 2009 5:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We would be anyone in a brawl
Artest, Jackson, Azebuike, Maggette. lol
by dubzfan on Jun 30, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
given that the warriors have no cap room and basically the MLE to play with
I would be for offering it to Ron Artest. Monta, Jack, Ron, Randolph, Biedrins. He would improve our D and toughness.
by CSalMJS on Jul 1, 2009 1:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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